Christian Friends ( <----seriously ) Your opinion, and something I cant define.

[BBB]

You beleive that the Bible is based on a conglomeration of many stories. I beleive that these other stories were off shoots Biblical stories. You have the cart before the horse. As you know information was passed from generation to generation verbally for many years before documentation was possible. In the beginning was God.....

 

[AE14]

You beleive that the Bible is based on a conglomeration of many stories. I beleive that these other stories were off shoots Biblical stories. You have the cart before the horse. As you know information was passed from generation to generation verbally for many years before documentation was possible. In the beginning was God.....

You are making a very large assumption that your stories were oral tradition prior to any pagan sources wrote them down. You, unfortunately cannot support that statement with any evidence. In essence, it is just a guess.

The issue that I have with your comments is how can the Osiris resurrection be an off shoot of Jesus considering how much earlier that story existed?

 

[R1balla]

You beleive that the Bible is based on a conglomeration of many stories. I beleive that these other stories were off shoots Biblical stories. You have the cart before the horse. As you know information was passed from generation to generation verbally for many years before documentation was possible. In the beginning was God.....

the Bible was God - breathed, inspired by the Holy Spirit.....if you dont believe that every story is 100% accurate, then how can you believe anything in the Bible is 100% accurate. you cant pick and choose which parts you believe are totally true. all or nothing IMO.

yeah, i believe I can do all this through Christ......but i dont believe Peter really walked on water..... if that wasnt what you were saying, then i apologize. thats just what i got from what you said and how i took it

 

[JudoJosh]

You are making a very large assumption that your stories were oral tradition prior to any pagan sources wrote them down. You, unfortunately cannot support that statement with any evidence. In essence, it is just a guess.

The issue that I have with your comments is how can the Osiris resurrection be an off shoot of Jesus considering how much earlier that story existed?

Reps

 

[Masciaman]

the Bible was God - breathed, inspired by the Holy Spirit.....if you dont believe that every story is 100% accurate, then how can you believe anything in the Bible is 100% accurate. you cant pick and choose which parts you believe are totally true. all or nothing IMO.

yeah, i believe I can do all this through Christ......but i dont believe Peter really walked on water..... if that wasnt what you were saying, then i apologize. thats just what i got from what you said and how i took it

well put. I agree. I know everyone may have their own questions and/or doubts or whatever but when it comes down to what you actually believe in with your religion imo you need to be all or none

 

[AE14]

You do realize that Al Gore(had to throw that in there) had not created the internet at this time and travel was minimal. I am fairly confident the similarities in other stories were relatively unknown to other existing civilizations. However to discredit the vaidity of Jesus Diety for example because of the existence of other similar stories is conjecture not science. To state that with certainty that the stories of Scripture are borrowed from other pre existing stories can not be proven. Offer me a contraction scripture, wher the bible (in context) contradicts itself. Do you belive in absolutes? I must say I read your list of religous readings, impressive.

thank you for the compliment my friend, my readings only show that i had too much free time on my hands

in terms of new testament contradiction, look at the Matthew and Luke genealogies of Jesus just for starters

 

[BBB]

the Bible was God - breathed, inspired by the Holy Spirit.....if you dont believe that every story is 100% accurate, then how can you believe anything in the Bible is 100% accurate. you cant pick and choose which parts you believe are totally true. all or nothing IMO.

yeah, i believe I can do all this through Christ......but i dont believe Peter really walked on water..... if that wasnt what you were saying, then i apologize. thats just what i got from what you said and how i took it

Christ's death, burial and resurrection is predicted throughout the Old Testament. Jesus was the fulfillment of all of those prophesies.

The Messiah will be the offspring (descendant) of the woman (Eve)

The Messiah will be a descendant of Abraham, through whom everyone on earth will be blessed

The Messiah will be a descendant of Judah

The Messiah will be a prophet like Moses

The Messiah will be the Son of God

The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected)

The Messiah crucifixion experience

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death)

Men Will Gamble for the Messiah’s clothing

The Messiah will accused by false witnesses

The Messiah will be hated without a cause

The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend

The Messiah will ascend to heaven (at the right hand of God)

The Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink

Great kings will pay homage and tribute to the Messiah

The Messiah is a “stone the builders rejected” who will become the “head cornerstone”

The Messiah will be a descendant of David

The Messiah will be a born of a virgin

The Messiah’s first spiritual work will be in Galilee

The Messiah will make the blind see, the deaf hear, etc.

The Messiah will be beaten, mocked, and spat upon

The “Gospel according to Isaiah”

People will hear and not believe the “arm of the LORD” (Messiah)

The Messiah will be rejected

The Messiah will be killed

The Messiah will be silent in front of his accusers

The Messiah will be buried with the rich

The Messiah will be crucified with criminals

The Messiah is part of the new and everlasting covenant

The Messiah will be our intercessor (intervene for us and plead on our behalf)

The Messiah has two missions

The Messiah will come at a specific time

The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem

The Messiah will enter Jerusalem riding a donkey

The Messiah will be sold for 30 pieces of silver

The Messiah will forsaken by His disciples

The Messiah will enter the Temple with authority

[TD="colspan: 3, align: center"] Old Testament Scriptures That Describe The Coming Messiah
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[TD="align: center"]The Messianic Prophecy (paraphrased)
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[TD="align: center"]Where the prophecy appears in the Old Testament (written between 1450 BC and 430BC)
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[TD="align: center"]Jesus’ fulfillment of the prophecy in the New Testament (written between 45 and 95 AD)
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[TD="align: center"]Genesis 3:15
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[TD="align: center"]Galatians 4:4
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[TD="align: center"]Genesis 12:3; 18:18
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[TD="align: center"]Acts 3:25,26
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[TD="align: center"]Genesis 49:10
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 1:2 and Luke 3:33
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[TD="align: center"]Deuteronomy 18:15-19
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[TD="align: center"]Acts 3:22,23
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 2:7
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 16:10,11
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 28:5-9; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:4-7; John 20:11-16; Acts 1:3 and 2:32
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 22 (contains 11 prophecies—not all listed here)
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 27:34-50 and John 19:17-30
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 22:7
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[TD="align: center"]Luke 23:11,35-39
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 22:16
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[TD="align: center"]Luke 23:33 and 24:36-39;
John 19:18 and 20:19-20,24-27
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 22:17 and 34:20
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[TD="align: center"] John 19:31-33,36
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 22:18
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:23,24
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 35:11
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 26:59,60 and Mark 14:56,57
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 35:19 and 69:4
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[TD="align: center"]John 15:23-25
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 41:9
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[TD="align: center"] John 13:18,21
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[TD="align: center"] Psalm 68:18
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[TD="align: center"] Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9; 2:33-35; 3:20-21; 5:31,32; 7:55-56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20,21; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2; 1 Pet 3:22 . . . sorry, we got carried away! Invalid Link Removed
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 69:21
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 27:34; Mark 15:23; John 19:29,30
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 72:10,11
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 2:1-11
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 118:22,23 and Isaiah 28:16
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 21:42,43; Acts 4:11; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:6-8
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[TD="align: center"]Psalm 132:11 and Jeremiah 23:5,6; 33:15,16
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[TD="align: center"]Luke 1:32,33
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 7:14
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 1:26-35
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 9:1-7
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 4:12-16
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 35:5-6
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[TD="align: center"]Many places. Also see Matthew 11:3-6 and John 11:47
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 50:6
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 26:67 and 27:26-31
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 52:13-53:12
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 53:1
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[TD="align: center"]John 12:37,38
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 53:3
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 27:20-25; Mark 15:8-14; Luke 23:18-23; John 19:14,15
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 53:5-9
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 27:50; Mark 15:37-39; Luke 23:46; John 19:30
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 53:7
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 26:62,63 and 27:12-14
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 53:9
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 27:59,60; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:52,53; John 19:38-42
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 53:12
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 27:38; Mark 15:27; Luke 23:32,33
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 55:3-4 and Jeremiah 31:31-34
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; Hebrews 8:6-13
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[TD="align: center"]Isaiah 59:16
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[TD="align: center"]Hebrews 9:15
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[TD="align: center"] Isaiah 61:1-3 (first mission ends at “. . . year of the LORD’s favor”)
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[TD="align: center"] First mission: Luke 4:16-21; Second mission: to be fulfilled at the end of the world
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[TD="align: center"]Daniel 9:25-26
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[TD="align: center"]Galatians 4:4 and Ephesians 1:10
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[TD="align: center"] Micah 5:2
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 2:1 and Luke 2:4-7
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[TD="align: center"] Zechariah 9:9
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 21:1-11
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[TD="align: center"] Zechariah 11:12,13
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 26:15 with Matthew 27:3-10
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[TD="align: center"] Zechariah 13:7
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[TD="align: center"] Matthew 26:31,56
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[TD="align: center"]Malachi 3:1
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[TD="align: center"]Matthew 21:12 and Luke 19:45
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These are just a few. There many more. Christ fulfilled all of them.

Couldn’t Someone Just Write These Down and Pretend They Were Written Earlier?


Many manuscripts have been found that confirm that these various prophecies were written down 400-1,000 years before they actually occurred. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls put to rest most of such idle talk.

The odds of one man fulfilling of all of those prophesies is astronomical.

 

[AE14]

the only issue with these prophecies is that none of it is written during the lifetime of jesus and most historians (who are unbiased) agree that the true authors of the gospels are unknown.

We can talk about the prophecy fulfillment, but it is difficult to do that when we think about the fact that any biblical scholar during the time of jesus would have known about it, and been able to "fulfill" them, as they were common knowledge.

The other issue to, is think about the Jews of the time, and why Jesus was NOT considered a savior...

 

[BBB]

You will notice that many of the prophecies are not under human control. In other words, if someone tried to fulfill all of them, how would they arrange to be (1) born in Bethlehem (2) with a virgin for a mother? Already they would have a problem—and these are only two prophecies. Even a casual glance through this list reveals that a person could not fulfill them by their own efforts.

The Jews ignored much of scripture. They were looking some to sit on the throne of Daivd and deliver them form Roman oppression. They were not looking for a Messiah. Christ will sit on the throne on day but that is yet to come.

 

[AE14]

You will notice that many of the prophecies are not under human control. In other words, if someone tried to fulfill all of them, how would they arrange to be (1) born in Bethlehem (2) with a virgin for a mother? Already they would have a problem—and these are only two prophecies. Even a casual glance through this list reveals that a person could not fulfill them by their own efforts.

Lets take a look at our sources for the bible and who has claimed that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies. In order to acknowledge fulfillment, we must assume that the gospels are accurate, regardless of production dates and mistranslations. Outside of my earlier comments, those 2 issues are huge. There is not 1 first hand account of Jesus, so in essence, no one can clearly state any of it is accurate.

 

[DreamBig]

Why do you think it has been mistranslated? Is it because it was wrote many years ago?If so The bible has more original or close to original texts then any other ancient texts. and the translations have just been wrote better through the years, for an easier read. The meanings have never changed.

 

[AE14]

Why do you think it has been mistranslated? Is it because it was wrote many years ago?If so The bible has more original or close to original texts then any other ancient texts. and the translations have just been wrote better through the years, for an easier read. The meanings have never changed.

I would suggest looking into that a little bit, and wonder why most biblical historians suggest that the translations have been badly misquoted. A great example is the idea of Mary as a virgin, which is not the translation.

 

[BBB]

I would suggest looking into that a little bit, and wonder why most biblical historians suggest that the translations have been badly misquoted. A great example is the idea of Mary as a virgin, which is not the translation.

The Dead Sea scrolls put an end to that argument.

 

[AE14]

The Dead Sea scrolls put an end to that argument.

Not so. Most historians doubt the veracity of the translations as well as the author issues.

 

[madds87]

I'm actually writing this on company time so I can't spend a great deal of time but let's talk about the book of Daniel. In the book of Daniel God predicted the five major world kingdoms in order with great detail. This was done during the Babylonian rule (the first great world empire). The next was the Medo-Persian. Then Greece. Then the Roman Empire which was never concurred but fell within, just as predicted. We are now in the last great empire (iron mixed with clay) until once again the Great Roman Empire will be revived.

You know i was thinking about it ae. And why does it matter that the stories were "borrowed". What if they were borrowed from the OT or NT?

 

[madds87]

Not so. Most historians doubt the veracity of the translations as well as the author issues.

Whats the issue?

 

[AE14]

You know i was thinking about it ae. And why does it matter that the stories were "borrowed". What if they were borrowed from the OT or NT?

not borrowed from the OT and NT, borrowed by the OT and NT. The stories come from far earlier sources, many of which were Mesopotamian in nature. That is an issue as it shows that the Judeo-Christian stories are pagan in nature, and have been changed over time to fit the needs of man, not the original story.

Whats the issue?

Many biblical historians continually state that the gospels were written by more than 1 author per book as well as most likely not by their namesakes. There are several different writing styles per gospel, and a boat load of contradictions within the gospels.

 

[Flaw]

Either the NKJV or the NIV, both are good. After all it is the number one best seller of all time.

Hey BBB check out a new version of the KJV that just came out. The best part about it is that it's non affiliated with any organization and restores the divine name of God in all it's proper places.

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[GTB]

Hey BBB check out a new version of the KJV that just came out. The best part about it is that it's non affiliated with any organization and restores the divine name of God in all it's proper places.

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We do not need new translations, it only confirms AE points. The best translation is in the original manuscripts and languages. The Torah (Hebrew), the NT(Greek). Take the time and study the scriptures not one's interpretation of the scriptures you will be blessed. I'm not hating here, I just imploring Christians to think again. Psalm 119 should be at the heart of every conversation. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge. IMO, the problem with church today is that there is to much preaching, and very little teaching. The church is ending people out into the world ill equipped to answer the skeptics, and the conjecture that is so easily accepted as truth. Forget about the new translations go to the Author.

 

[AE14]

We do not need new translations, it only confirms AE points. The best translation is in the original manuscripts and languages. The Torah (Hebrew), the NT(Greek). Take the time and study the scriptures not one's interpretation of the scriptures you will be blessed. I'm not hating here, I just imploring Christians to think again. Psalm 119 should be at the heart of every conversation. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge. IMO, the problem with church today is that there is to much preaching, and very little teaching. The church is ending people out into the world ill equipped to answer the skeptics, and the conjecture that is so easily accepted as truth. Forget about the new translations go to the Author.

agreed.... if you firmly believe in it, you should look at the original text and look to those who have studied the languages for years to get the actual meaning. Not the drivel that has come out after centuries of retranslation and the telephone game

 

[BBB]

I actually read from a variety of translations. The origional Greek and Hebrew are sometimes difficult for the lay person to understand. All other versions are translations or transliterations. That does not mean they are bad however. I personally like the NIV and believe that it is the most accurate to date.

 

[needtogetmuscle]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Something i have been pondering about. Havent had a preist to talk to about this but, was curious what yall thought.

Bodybuilding= The process of developing the musculature of the body through specific types of diet and physical exercise, such as weightlifting, especially for competitive exhibition.
How can this sport not be an act of worshiping idols?
Bare with me now, Since we are all into the same "obsession", To become "perfect". For example, We train day in and day out, trying to eat, count calories, plan diets, buy supplements, check bodyfat, etc. etc. We flex in mirrors, to either watch poses, or to admire our work.

How can this not be worshipping ourselves?

Now I understand there are grey areas, black or white, but this is something that could be a good reminder for me and you.

Then there is also the other side.....
Steroids..... Call em what you will.... prohormones, anabolics, aah, etc. etc. How can this be justified?
Could you take it to an extreme of, eating organic.... "treating our body as a temple" i know you have heard it. But I really dont think taking them and in your mind knowing they are wrong is even more wrong. Dont have my bible on hand.....

But isnt it a medicine? Serms, Sarms, herbal test boosters, so on and so on...... Test enth for example could be considered natural..... Yes we make it.... But..... Yeah..... Where do you take it to.....

Bodybuilding..... Competitions.... boasting in gains? See where im going with this?

Now in defence i LOVE this sport.... I dream about getting bigger daily. But I still keep my focus, and keep it as priority one, on Jehovah in to become stronger mentally and wiser in HIM daily.

I guess the main 'vague' question is, is this sport a SIN?

SImple answer would be as long as you keep focus on HIM, and do everything in HIS name.....

But im not looking for that kind of answer LOL

GOd BLess. Up for much debate!

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Well you know the saying bro... WHAT CONSUMES YOUR THOUGHTS CONTROLS YOUR LIFE!!! What controls your life is your god like it or not!!

 

[Flaw]

We do not need new translations, Forget about the new translations go to the Author.

It's not necessarily a new translation, it's the good ole KJV with God's name restored in it's proper places. It has been removed in most 19th century versions of the bible. God's name appeared in the original hebrew texts as the tetragrammaton. For the bible to be complete the name of God must be there.

 

[madds87]

We do not need new translations, it only confirms AE points. The best translation is in the original manuscripts and languages. The Torah (Hebrew), the NT(Greek). Take the time and study the scriptures not one's interpretation of the scriptures you will be blessed. I'm not hating here, I just imploring Christians to think again. Psalm 119 should be at the heart of every conversation. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge. IMO, the problem with church today is that there is to much preaching, and very little teaching. The church is ending people out into the world ill equipped to answer the skeptics, and the conjecture that is so easily accepted as truth. Forget about the new translations go to the Author.

agreed! And am one of em...... Def makes me study more.

 

[AE14]

so is it the name elohim that was restored? if so....there is a very curious pluralization issue

 

[Flaw]

so is it the name elohim that was restored? if so....there is a very curious pluralization issue

Elohim is not a name, it's a noun. Just as God is a noun. The tetragrammaton is represented as the name of God in the hebrew scriptures. It appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Glad to see this thread. I'm a Christian and am in for the discussion.

 

[madds87]

Glad to see this thread. I'm a Christian and am in for the discussion.

Glad your here. We took a slight turn... But its has been an interesting thread atleast. Lol

 

[madds87]

Well you know the saying bro... WHAT CONSUMES YOUR THOUGHTS CONTROLS YOUR LIFE!!! What controls your life is your god like it or not!!

Hmmmm so we shouldnt think? Lol

 

[AE14]

Elohim is not a name, it's a noun. Just as God is a noun. The tetragrammaton is represented as the name of God in the hebrew scriptures. It appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text.

I understand it means god, but it also means gods.

 

[Flaw]

I understand it means god, but it also means gods.

It can be plural also but it's still not a name and should not be confused as one. Just as God's name is not Lord.

 

[AE14]

It can be plural also but it's still not a name and should not be confused as one. Just as God's name is not Lord.

Not disagreeing. My point related to the pluralization issue as it is an interesting aspect of paganism.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Glad your here. We took a slight turn... But its has been an interesting thread atleast. Lol

No worries. I'll watch, wait, and learn. When I have something to add or a question to ask I def will.

 

[GTB]

I understand it means god, but it also means gods.

That is correct, the Hebrew indicates plurality. It is a reference to the trinity of God in the Old Testament. The tetra gammatron is actually the actually YHWH.

 

[AE14]

That is correct, the Hebrew indicates plurality. It is a reference to the trinity of God in the Old Testament. The tetra gammatron is actually the actually YHWH.

You think it means the trinity? Interesting, considering the pagan ideals so prominent in the region at the time.

 

[Flaw]

It is a reference to the trinity of God in the Old Testament.

Who taught you this?

New Encyclopedia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Microedia, Vol. X, p. 126.

 

[Neoamerican]

Thats exactly what we all are AE14. If you dont stop a murder arent you just as guilty as the killer himself.
Choose but choose wisley for the true grail will give eternal life the false will take it from u
The stupidity of humans never shocks me anymore.
Its sodom an gamora down here. Weather to use or not use roids is the least of our worries

 

[Whacked]

I just want to know WHY Agnostics and Atheists are so obsessed with threads like this!

Cracks me up every time b/c it occurs like clockwork.

The title clearly states that the OP is ONLY interested in CHRISTIAN feedback for his situation.

But alas, it never fails, the Agnostics and Atheists ALWAYS feel the desperate need to argue their point and convince everyone there is no God. LOLOL. They do it with SO MUCH passion too; it's like they have something to prove or rather, DEFEND. LOL

Perhaps it's derived from a deeper insecurity or a doubt about their beliefes they have. Perhaps it's the whole "misery loves company" issue. Beats me but it's like it is their very mission to convince people there is no God.

If they only knew what a waste of time it was to do this LOL.

For those of us who TRULY know God, denying Him is no different than asking you Agnostics and Atheists to deny you have blood, hands, feet, lungs, skin, or whatever. To us, it's NOT just faith, it's as real, visceral and tangible as the eyes on our faces.

Back on topic. If a female member posts something about her female monthly problems and titles the thread "to my girls out there who are on the rag", would any of you guys get all nubby and involved and post?!?!?!!?!?

Of course not!! It's none of your busienss and your opinion is not wanted anyway. BUT, Godf forbid a Christian start a thread calling out to his Christian friends. Agnostics and Atheists somehow read this as invitiation to post their opposing views. LOLOL Unreal.

Start your own Agnostics and Atheists threads. You won't see me there. It's called RESPECT and courtsey.

Example: I started a thread a few months back that got trashed as soon as it began by the Agnostics and Atheists as well.

That's why I do not bother to engage on threads like these anymore. Agnostics and Atheists take it SO PERSONAL.

How defending such a morbid view with the same passion as our love for Christ is possible, certainly makes me wonder WHO and/or WHAT is truly driving this agrenda (Christian brothers....you feel me? )

It's annoying ESPECIALLY when the title clearly states WHO he wanted replies from.

Lastly, religious debates are just that.....debates! He who is the most studied, most experienced or adept at it, shines.

It has LITTLE to do with truth or the actual bottom line. That's the irony in all of it.

For every 1 guy that appears to know his crap and argue well, there are 10 guys with superior arguing abilities or intellect and perhaps supportive of the oposing view.

My point? Arguments/Discussions like this that take place in such a microscopic forum (with respect to the BILLIONS that have an opinion on this subject), is petty and comical.

I am a born-again Christian, and Jesus the Ruler of my life but this is NOT the venue to waste my time witnessing on. I learned that time and time again.

RANT OVER. Chew me out all you want, I wont bother returning to this thread to engage in any capacity. It's pointless.

Peace out.
Jesus Christ is KING!!!!!
Glory be to GOD Almighty!

 

[madds87]

I just want to know WHY Agnostics and Atheists are so obsessed with threads like this!

Cracks me up every time b/c it occurs like clockwork.

The title clearly states that the OP is ONLY interested in CHRISTIAN feedback for his situation.

But alas, it never fails, the Agnostics and Atheists ALWAYS feel the desperate need to argue their point and convince everyone there is no God. LOLOL. They do it with SO MUCH passion too; it's like they have something to prove or rather, DEFEND. LOL

Perhaps it's derived from a deeper insecurity or a doubt about their beliefes they have. Perhaps it's the whole "misery loves company" issue. Beats me but it's like it is their very mission to convince people there is no God.

If they only knew what a waste of time it was to do this LOL.

For those of us who TRULY know God, denying Him is no different than asking you Agnostics and Atheists to deny you have blood, hands, feet, lungs, skin, or whatever. To us, it's NOT just faith, it's as real, visceral and tangible as the eyes on our faces.

Back on topic. If a female member posts something about her female monthly problems and titles the thread "to my girls out there who are on the rag", would any of you guys get all nubby and involved and post?!?!?!!?!?

Of course not!! It's none of your busienss and your opinion is not wanted anyway. BUT, Godf forbid a Christian start a thread calling out to his Christian friends. Agnostics and Atheists somehow read this as invitiation to post their opposing views. LOLOL Unreal.

Start your own Agnostics and Atheists threads. You won't see me there. It's called RESPECT and courtsey.

Example: I started a thread a few months back that got trashed as soon as it began by the Agnostics and Atheists as well.

That's why I do not bother to engage on threads like these anymore. Agnostics and Atheists take it SO PERSONAL.

How defending such a morbid view with the same passion as our love for Christ is possible, certainly makes me wonder WHO and/or WHAT is truly driving this agrenda (Christian brothers....you feel me? )

It's annoying ESPECIALLY when the title clearly states WHO he wanted replies from.

Lastly, religious debates are just that.....debates! He who is the most studied, most experienced or adept at it, shines.

It has LITTLE to do with truth or the actual bottom line. That's the irony in all of it.

For every 1 guy that appears to know his crap and argue well, there are 10 guys with superior arguing abilities or intellect and perhaps supportive of the oposing view.

My point? Arguments/Discussions like this that take place in such a microscopic forum (with respect to the BILLIONS that have an opinion on this subject), is petty and comical.

I am a born-again Christian, and Jesus the Ruler of my life but this is NOT the venue to waste my time witnessing on. I learned that time and time again.

RANT OVER. Chew me out all you want, I wont bother returning to this thread to engage in any capacity. It's pointless.

Peace out.
Jesus Christ is KING!!!!!
Glory be to GOD Almighty!

lol yeap!!!

 

[AE14]

I just want to know WHY Agnostics and Atheists are so obsessed with threads like this!

Cracks me up every time b/c it occurs like clockwork.

The title clearly states that the OP is ONLY interested in CHRISTIAN feedback for his situation.

But alas, it never fails, the Agnostics and Atheists ALWAYS feel the desperate need to argue their point and convince everyone there is no God. LOLOL. They do it with SO MUCH passion too; it's like they have something to prove or rather, DEFEND. LOL

Perhaps it's derived from a deeper insecurity or a doubt about their beliefes they have. Perhaps it's the whole "misery loves company" issue. Beats me but it's like it is their very mission to convince people there is no God.

If they only knew what a waste of time it was to do this LOL.

For those of us who TRULY know God, denying Him is no different than asking you Agnostics and Atheists to deny you have blood, hands, feet, lungs, skin, or whatever. To us, it's NOT just faith, it's as real, visceral and tangible as the eyes on our faces.

Back on topic. If a female member posts something about her female monthly problems and titles the thread "to my girls out there who are on the rag", would any of you guys get all nubby and involved and post?!?!?!!?!?

Of course not!! It's none of your busienss and your opinion is not wanted anyway. BUT, Godf forbid a Christian start a thread calling out to his Christian friends. Agnostics and Atheists somehow read this as invitiation to post their opposing views. LOLOL Unreal.

Start your own Agnostics and Atheists threads. You won't see me there. It's called RESPECT and courtsey.

Example: I started a thread a few months back that got trashed as soon as it began by the Agnostics and Atheists as well.

That's why I do not bother to engage on threads like these anymore. Agnostics and Atheists take it SO PERSONAL.

How defending such a morbid view with the same passion as our love for Christ is possible, certainly makes me wonder WHO and/or WHAT is truly driving this agrenda (Christian brothers....you feel me? )

It's annoying ESPECIALLY when the title clearly states WHO he wanted replies from.

Lastly, religious debates are just that.....debates! He who is the most studied, most experienced or adept at it, shines.

It has LITTLE to do with truth or the actual bottom line. That's the irony in all of it.

For every 1 guy that appears to know his crap and argue well, there are 10 guys with superior arguing abilities or intellect and perhaps supportive of the oposing view.

My point? Arguments/Discussions like this that take place in such a microscopic forum (with respect to the BILLIONS that have an opinion on this subject), is petty and comical.

I am a born-again Christian, and Jesus the Ruler of my life but this is NOT the venue to waste my time witnessing on. I learned that time and time again.

RANT OVER. Chew me out all you want, I wont bother returning to this thread to engage in any capacity. It's pointless.

Peace out.
Jesus Christ is KING!!!!!
Glory be to GOD Almighty!

I understand where you are coming from, and in all respect, since this is a free board, it is also free to roam

Now I will acknowledge that I see this title, and I come in to get a gauge on the issue present. It is kinda like "witnessing" as you said. I am not here to convert, just inform. There is a lot of historical information out there that it seems many here are completely unaware of. If, after further discussion and review you believe wholeheartedly.....terrific. However, to believe something, I am one who thinks you need all the facts.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Just some random thoughts since i've been reading in this thread. Just my opinion about how I feel about some things.

- I think evolution is really real. But what I think what we see as 'evolution' is actually God at work. What's a day to God? God said let there be light, and it was done. Instantly. He lives outside of time. And because of our skewed perception of time, space, and reality in general we perceive something like that to take millions/billions of years. So yes there is evidence of evolution, but really that was just God creating man in his image. My way of bridging the gaps between creationism and evolution.

-Homosexuality is the only sin the bible referred to as something else other than a sin. It is referred to as an abomination. That being said, I don't cast judgement on those that choose this lifestyle. It's really between them and The Lord.

-Do any of your practice no sex until marriage? I'm honestly considering implementing this. Not just to be safe, but to start developing relationships based on something real. It's easy to feel something after you've been having sex with someone for a while. Eventually one person will fall for the other. I feel like the institute of marriage is the only thing that can handle sex. So much of your heart and soul get transferred to that other person after a time. So my thinking is that if you avoid sex until marriage and something doesn't work out with your bf/gf, you'd go through much less heartache. Granted, if you have a connection with someone then you have a connection regardless of sex. But if you have the connection then in my mind the sex wouldn't be necessary until engagement/marriage.

 

[GTB]

Who taught you this?

New Encyclopedia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Microedia, Vol. X, p. 126.

Let's use the Deuteronomy 6:4. Hebrew word, "echad" which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 "the two shall become one [echad] flesh" it is the same word for "one" that was used in Deut 6:4.

It is true that the word Trinity does not appear in scripture. Shall we then use the term triunity. Do you deny the existence of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Whom was God speaking with when He said" Let Us" in Gene 1:26. Does not John say that Jesus made all things in John 1, does David not say take not thy Spirit from in Psalm 51.11. A simple lesson in hermenuetics will reveal the truth.
BTW , the term Elohim was 2606, not 6500. The word Lord "Kouros ' was used 6749.

 

[GTB]

I understand where you are coming from, and in all respect, since this is a free board, it is also free to roam

Now I will acknowledge that I see this title, and I come in to get a gauge on the issue present. It is kinda like "witnessing" as you said. I am not here to convert, just inform. There is a lot of historical information out there that it seems many here are completely unaware of. If, after further discussion and review you believe wholeheartedly.....terrific. However, to believe something, I am one who thinks you need all the facts.

I for one welcome you. I think it is important for Christians to no why they believe what they believe. I have seen several people grow in their faith, but digging in and discovering what they believe, and I have seen others get offended. The conversation is stimulation. However , my friend we still have a descrepancy behtween what a fact is and what truth is. I am interested in truth, because the truth never changes. Facts on the other hand change with new information.

 

[BBB]

So from an athiestic perspective the Bible is the biggest hoax inhistory. Millions upon millions for countless generations have been deceived into thinking that this book is the actual “Word of God”. This book has be spat on, ridiculed and scorned. It has been banned, burned and buried. It has been bisected, dissected and studied from cover to cover by some of the best minds in history and yet it still remains to this day the number one bestselling book of all time. I have more copies and versions of the Bible in my house than any other book I own. The Bible is the basis for the Church and God said that “the gates ofhell will not prevail against it”. Sothe Bible isn’t going anywhere. The Bible has stood the test of time.

 

[AE14]

I for one welcome you. I think it is important for Christians to no why they believe what they believe. I have seen several people grow in their faith, but digging in and discovering what they believe, and I have seen others get offended. The conversation is stimulation. However , my friend we still have a descrepancy behtween what a fact is and what truth is. I am interested in truth, because the truth never changes. Facts on the other hand change with new information.

thank you....I think and hope we are all after some semblance of truth

So from an athiestic perspective the Bible is the biggest hoax inhistory. Millions upon millions for countless generations have been deceived into thinking that this book is the actual “Word of God”. This book has be spat on, ridiculed and scorned. It has been banned, burned and buried. It has been bisected, dissected and studied from cover to cover by some of the best minds in history and yet it still remains to this day the number one bestselling book of all time. I have more copies and versions of the Bible in my house than any other book I own. The Bible is the basis for the Church and God said that “the gates ofhell will not prevail against it”. Sothe Bible isn’t going anywhere. The Bible has stood the test of time.

I am not sure if I would use the word hoax, although I do think there has been a sense of collusion at times. I look at it like an error. My personal feeling is that there was most likely a man around the time of Jesus who was a great teacher and probably had a selection of followers. However, I think many earlier myths were attributed to him after his death. It culminated (at the time) with Constantine as a great tool of unification. I do not think any of the attributes assigned to Jesus now are truly what happened. Those were all adopted as a means of unifying a fledgling Empire and making its MANY AND VARIED inhabitants comfortable with the changes.

 

[R1balla]

You have to have faith. Sure there's a chance the predictions were written after, but if so, that would contradict everything in the bible and prove the bible is false.

 

[AE14]

You have to have faith. Sure there's a chance the predictions were written after, but if so, that would contradict everything in the bible and prove the bible is false.

agreed....Christianity is soley based on faith. I respect those that can accomplish that, I however, am not one of them. I need more than hope

 

[madds87]

Ae I have no problem with what you believe. But believing jesus was just a greatteacher. Cant work. Saying he is not the son of God or just saying hes a teacher, would then make him a lunatic or a lyer. Since he states that he is the son of God and that HE can forgive sins, which then therfore would make him have the same power as God, and would make HIm God.... Its either you dont believe in him or not. this saying Jesus was right about everything.... Cept that he was the son of God. See what im saying buddy?

 

[AE14]

Ae I have no problem with what you believe. But believing jesus was just a greatteacher. Cant work. Saying he is not the son of God or just saying hes a teacher, would then make him a lunatic or a lyer. Since he states that he is the son of God and that HE can forgive sins, which then therfore would make him have the same power as God, and would make HIm God.... Its either you dont believe in him or not. this saying Jesus was right about everything.... Cept that he was the son of God. See what im saying buddy?

I disagree and I will explain why. The gospel accounts are not believed to be first hand accounts, based on the dates of the writings. Hell...there are still disagreements over the authorship that will probably never be settled. Therefore, without any true first hand account on the story, it is difficult to assume that he was what was written. Heck....you can take some of the gnostic gospels that were written at the same time as the ones currently accepted in the NT, and they paint an entirely, nondivine picture of Jesus. Also remember, based on the writings, Jesus never wanted a new religion. He was a Jew, all he wanted was to reform the temple (non-physical) as it currently (at the time) was established.

To be honest, I think Rome was using this new found religion as a tool of organization. Later emperors realized the faults of the predecessors, and knew they were too big to govern, specifically as they stood. It made a great deal of sense (later confirmed at Hippo and Nicea) to organize under one banner. Constantine was a master politician, and new how to make the people fall in line.

To have an understanding of Early Christian history and the formation of it, one must truly look into who the Romans were, and what they were going through. They were terrified of invasion and the empire falling apart, specifically from "barbarians". What better way to try and survive but to reunify if you can.

 

[Flaw]

The title clearly states that the OP is ONLY interested in CHRISTIAN feedback for his situation.

Some people just like to argue, what can you say?