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ryansm said:
Not muscle, just not going to happen...

You have leaned out while staying the same weight all while eating 4500 cals daily? I remember several posts about how ppl were getting leaner on AM and were needing to eat way more than they thought. Why are you worried about fat gain if you are leaner after starting? What were your goals for this cycle...bulk?
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i never dirty bulk. i clean bulk and i try to keep fat gain to a minimum, i but i do realize some will be gained. my goal for this cycle was to bulk. add on 6 - 10 pounds

the point im trying to make is with other PHs, you dont need to eat near 5k cals to gain a few pounds. it does it on its own. maybe the andro products are just really different and for it to work, you MUST eat perfect.
 
Primordial Perf said:
I've seen guys use the strongest of the strongest steroids and not gain weight. If you have a deficiency in a vital nutrient it will shut down the entire anabolic process. It's the theory of constraint.

You can have a calorie surplus, but still have a nutritional deficiency. Id highly recommending you supplement with the trace elements to correct any potential deficits.

On the other hand, natural androgens like Test and AM just dont produce results as fast as methyls. They never have. Most guys dont notice a damn thing in the first 3-4 weeks of a test cycle, and if you notice something, you're a good responder who is noticing primarily ionic effects. (swelling of tissue via ion retention and intra-cellular water retention -- not actual muscle growth)

I actually just talked about this on SHR -Invalid Link RemovedEric
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Great show btw. I listened. Very interesting stuff Eric. Thanks.
 
R1balla said:
i never dirty bulk. i clean bulk and i try to keep fat gain to a minimum, i but i do realize some will be gained. my goal for this cycle was to bulk. add on 6 - 10 pounds

the point im trying to make is with other PHs, you dont need to eat near 5k cals to gain a few pounds. it does it on its own. maybe the andro products are just really different and for it to work, you MUST eat perfect.
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I paid good money for my andro series and I wanted a product that was solid with no sides... Originally purchased 4 bottles total of v2....
Beat compounds I gained and I put on a good amount of weight, and I was eating like I was an elephants size (not peanuts) haha.... I'm happy with the out come did I gain fat yes, people can see the size different... It brought a lot of attention to peoples eyes. So I'm still eating just trying to stay cleaner and I'm got my erase pro and compound 20 and DAA, I should be solid.

R1 I'd be interested to see what would have happened if u at few burgers, couple bowls of lasagna and a few handful of fries, u probably don't eat like that, but
I made damn sure I was very well fed on AndroMass... I admit I look back I could've ate more, work out harder and went 2 more weeks and slept more, but now I know what to do when I'm ready to use my next 2 bottles ;)
 
R1balla said:
the point im trying to make is with other PHs, you dont need to eat near 5k cals to gain a few pounds. it does it on its own. maybe the andro products are just really different and for it to work, you MUST eat perfect.
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But again it isn't LBM nor is it predicated on diet as far as secondary weight gain i.e. water retention, glycogen somewhat etc...SD is king at this besides maybe msten, and dbol is well known for bloat. Not trying to argue with you bud, just trying to get this figured out so we can get you the gains you want. Hopefully extending the cycle will help and if you can maybe make the bulk a little dirty:)
 
AaronJP1 said:
I paid good money for my andro series and I wanted a product that was solid with no sides... Originally purchased 4 bottles total of v2....
Beat compounds I gained and I put on a good amount of weight, and I was eating like I was an elephants size (not peanuts) haha.... I'm happy with the out come did I gain fat yes, people can see the size different... It brought a lot of attention to peoples eyes. So I'm still eating just trying to stay cleaner and I'm got my erase pro and compound 20 and DAA, I should be solid.


R1 I'd be interested to see what would have happened if u at few burgers, couple bowls of lasagna and a few handful of fries, u probably don't eat like that, but
I made damn sure I was very well fed on AndroMass... I admit I look back I could've ate more, work out harder and went 2 more weeks and slept more, but now I know what to do when I'm ready to use my next 2 bottles ;)
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i actually ate lasanga 4 times over the weekend. im going to increase my carb intake, but stay as clean as possible. if this next week puts on a couple pounds, ill open up another bottle

so you guys still think Erase Pro, DAA, Toco 8, and anabeta is fine for PCT?
 
R1balla said:
i actually ate lasanga 4 times over the weekend. im going to increase my carb intake, but stay as clean as possible. if this next week puts on a couple pounds, ill open up another bottle

so you guys still think Erase Pro, DAA, Toco 8, and anabeta is fine for PCT?
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I ain't even crack open my AnaBeta yet, but I'm on c20.
 
ryansm said:
But again it isn't LBM nor is it predicated on diet as far as secondary weight gain i.e. water retention, glycogen somewhat etc...SD is king at this besides maybe msten, and dbol is well known for bloat. Not trying to argue with you bud, just trying to get this figured out so we can get you the gains you want. Hopefully extending the cycle will help and if you can maybe make the bulk a little dirty:)
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What does the secondary weight gain/bloat mean?
That it was a good cycle haha....?
 
ryansm said:
But again it isn't LBM nor is it predicated on diet as far as secondary weight gain i.e. water retention, glycogen somewhat etc...SD is king at this besides maybe msten, and dbol is well known for bloat. Not trying to argue with you bud, just trying to get this figured out so we can get you the gains you want. Hopefully extending the cycle will help and if you can maybe make the bulk a little dirty:)
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if i come across as arguing with you, i really and honestly do apologize. i am not arguing with anybody on this thread. it just may come out as im arguing because right now im frustrated. i know the PHs are different, i just would think i would see something by now, especially cause how hard im working in the gym and getting clean cals in. i will try to dirty it up a bit but i am actually liking how hard and lean i look lol just wish i could add LBM
 
ryansm said:
Not related to an increase in LBM such as water retention
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:(.
I still felt like I did good haha
 
Keep it going balla, just read through all of this, how far along are you exactly? Can't believe u did Mdrol at 17 wow. I'm gonna do epi-v as my first cycle and I'm 20 and still nervous lol
 
BigRigg said:
Keep it going balla, just read through all of this, how far along are you exactly? Can't believe u did Mdrol at 17 wow. I'm gonna do epi-v as my first cycle and I'm 20 and still nervous lol
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dude, i was dumb back then. my cousin deals and i wanted to be his size so i got some mdrol, torque, bought dbol from him. i took novadex XT as PCT lol since then, ive joined the forums and have learned. ever since, i have been taking test boosters off and on. mainly IGF 2, DAA, Free Test...etc and i feel fine. my test was at 790 a few months ago.

the reason i chose this is because it isnt as suppression, seems very safe and not toxic. im 22 now, know my stuff, have PCT lined up..etc
 
BigRigg said:
Keep it going balla, just read through all of this, how far along are you exactly? Can't believe u did Mdrol at 17 wow. I'm gonna do epi-v as my first cycle and I'm 20 and still nervous lol
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i really appreciate you following. Friday will be the end of week 3
 
R1balla said:
i really appreciate you following. Friday will be the end of week 3
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Anytime man I'm always lurkin around your logs :P and I hear you on the free test DAA, me and my bid always sell the free test lit up combo at work. Stuff is great.

Keep on smashing it bro you got this
 
R1balla said:
i know its possible, but i have never seen that. and im around juicers all the time. and i know AM and test dont produce as fast, but i would still expect something by now. my friend gave me another bottle, so ill do it for 6 weeks or so, but if you are relating test to AM, and saying you wont see results for 3 - 4 weeks, then do you expect for everybody to purchase two bottles of this?
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Yes, we are recommending 8 week cycles now, given the new blood data we have.

R1balla said:
do you suggest a SERM for anything over 4 weeks?
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No, its not needed. We have blood work coming back now from guys who did 6-12 week cycles who recovered with higher T levels than before they started, or very close to where they started. (just with our TRS)

R1balla said:
and i have a question that has been asked in the PP section...why is PP out of stock on each product at nutraplanet?
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Good question... they might be rebelling because we run our own discounts. Alot of vendors dont like this cause it cuts into their sales.

R1balla said:
Got my PP order in today. Ordered a few sustain alpha's, TCF 1 and a few Toco 8. will start toco tonight. may start DAA tonight as well. not sure. i just didnt wanna mess with my levels this much because of my age. ill probably go 6 weeks instead of 8. wanna see how the first bottle goes before i make a decision.
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My younger brother is also 22. He bounced back from a 6 week cycle of AndroMass with T leves higher than before he started. I wouldnt have put him on something like this if I though he would have longterm issues with it.

FYI, tbol is not "mild". It doesnt make you feel as ****ty as superdrol, but its still a methyl.

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
Yes, we are recommending 8 week cycles now, given the new blood data we have.

No, its not needed. We have blood work coming back now from guys who did 6-12 week cycles who recovered with higher T levels than before they started, or very close to where they started. (just with our TRS)

Good question... they might be rebelling because we run our own discounts. Alot of vendors dont like this cause it cuts into their sales.

My younger brother is also 22. He bounced back from a 6 week cycle of AndroMass with T leves higher than before he started. I wouldnt have put him on something like this if I though he would have longterm issues with it.

FYI, tbol is not "mild". It doesnt make you feel as ****ty as superdrol, but its still a methyl.

-Eric
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Your concentrate dosing protocol intrigued me, I have some on hand I've never used I might have to bust that out and give it a try
 
BigRigg said:
Anytime man I'm always lurkin around your logs :P and I hear you on the free test DAA, me and my bid always sell the free test lit up combo at work. Stuff is great.

Keep on smashing it bro you got this
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thanks man. im not on Free Test right now. was thinking about it but decided not to open a bottle. I take Lit Up (DAA) on training days and now take toco 8 every day at night time before bed with my creapure. take creapure post workout right before my meal. i really dont like to have detailed logs because it makes it harder to read, especially for newbs. just like to get my thoughts out and training protocol and results posted.

Primordial Perf said:
Yes, we are recommending 8 week cycles now, given the new blood data we have.



No, its not needed. We have blood work coming back now from guys who did 6-12 week cycles who recovered with higher T levels than before they started, or very close to where they started. (just with our TRS)



Good question... they might be rebelling because we run our own discounts. Alot of vendors dont like this cause it cuts into their sales.



My younger brother is also 22. He bounced back from a 6 week cycle of AndroMass with T leves higher than before he started. I wouldnt have put him on something like this if I though he would have longterm issues with it.

FYI, tbol is not "mild". It doesnt make you feel as ****ty as superdrol, but its still a methyl.

-Eric
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Thank you Eric. is the bloodwork able to be seen by the public? like a picture of it or something? im interested in that for sure! makes me feel better about taking it longer than 4 weeks. and i listened to your interview on superhuman. nice work. i also liked the thoughts put out there on subcutaneous injections with oil. i injected my cousin who has it as an Rx and i did it that way without telling him for about 3 weeks straight. he came back and told me he thought i was just doing it wrong and screwing him up. i LOLed.
 
R1balla said:
thanks man. im not on Free Test right now. was thinking about it but decided not to open a bottle. I take Lit Up (DAA) on training days and now take toco 8 every day at night time before bed with my creapure. take creapure post workout right before my meal. i really dont like to have detailed logs because it makes it harder to read, especially for newbs. just like to get my thoughts out and training protocol and results posted.



Thank you Eric. is the bloodwork able to be seen by the public? like a picture of it or something? im interested in that for sure! makes me feel better about taking it longer than 4 weeks. and i listened to your interview on superhuman. nice work. i also liked the thoughts put out there on subcutaneous injections with oil. i injected my cousin who has it as an Rx and i did it that way without telling him for about 3 weeks straight. he came back and told me he thought i was just doing it wrong and screwing him up. i LOLed.
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Yeah we can post the results. Matt is working on updating the whitepapers this week.
 
Tomorrow I will post a new thread with only each workout update. Will provide link on here for those who just want the updates and don't wanna search this thread
 
my shirt feels alot tighter on me today.

Eric - dont take this the wrong way. im not saying this in a tearing - down manner. im seriously asking you this...... if you say i need to look at my diet to get the nutrients i need/increase cals and/or include the trace minerals..... what if i dont do that for the second bottle i open? will i still get little to no results?


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I'm just trying to figure out how I get this damn bloat down :(
 
Wednesday 2/8

Back/Biceps/Deadlifts

Incline DB Curl - warmup with 20s 35x12 40x10 45x8

EZ Bar Preacher Curl - (forget how much those bars weight). first set with 20 on each side x 12 25s on each side x 10 35 on each side x 8

BB Row - warmup with 95s 135 x 12 195 x 10 225x8

Lat Pulldown 3 sets 12 10 8

Deadlifts - stayed at 305 today three sets of 8 reps.


Same weight (no change). feeling good. vascular. look more defined.
 
R1balla said:
Wednesday 2/8

Back/Biceps/Deadlifts

Incline DB Curl - warmup with 20s 35x12 40x10 45x8

EZ Bar Preacher Curl - (forget how much those bars weight). first set with 20 on each side x 12 25s on each side x 10 35 on each side x 8

BB Row - warmup with 95s 135 x 12 195 x 10 225x8

Lat Pulldown 3 sets 12 10 8

Deadlifts - stayed at 305 today three sets of 8 reps.

Same weight (no change). feeling good. vascular. look more defined.
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Nice deads man :) I hit back and bis today as well
 
bean5er said:
Nice work bro. How long are your rest periods?
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on compound lifts, around 3 minutes or so...i dont really count. i just get back on it after i have had enough water and feel rested and not winded or out of breath and had a chance to recover a bit.
 
R1balla said:
hunger has been kicking in hard the past few days. wish i felt like this from week 1
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Ah yes. Eric was saying it would take a long time to kick in fully. Stick with it man and let's see some gains!
 
mattrag said:
Ah yes. Eric was saying it would take a long time to kick in fully. Stick with it man and let's see some gains!
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but if he said i will see gains if i get my nutrition right and suggested trace minerals, then if i dont do those and stay on it for longer, will i still see little to now results?
 
R1balla said:
but if he said i will see gains if i get my nutrition right and suggested trace minerals, then if i dont do those and stay on it for longer, will i still see little to now results?
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He has no idea if you have any deficiencies. It is very plausible that you have none. He only posed that as a possible reason for no gains on any cycle. If you feel like things are picking up now you should be good to go
 
bigdavid said:
He has no idea if you have any deficiencies. It is very plausible that you have none. He only posed that as a possible reason for no gains on any cycle. If you feel like things are picking up now you should be good to go
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I've never seen someone experience no gains on a cycle. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough
 
R1balla said:
I've never seen someone experience no gains on a cycle. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough
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Some people don't even respond to sdrol. The excrete the steroid out completely whole without absorbing it at all. Even some on trt just piss out most of their injection. Rare, but they do exist. And no one knows why, when, or how. Just have to adjust upward.
 
mattrag said:
Some people don't even respond to sdrol. The excrete the steroid out completely whole without absorbing it at all. Even some on trt just piss out most of their injection. Rare, but they do exist. And no one knows why, when, or how. Just have to adjust upward.
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your body is like "superdrol? **** this ****.." lol
 
bigdavid said:
your body is like "superdrol? **** this ****.." lol
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lmao...

1 guy I know said he doesn't give a "you know what" he can eat 50-60-70 grams of
Protein the body will absorb what ever phuck u put into it, He right in a way, I guess, body absorbs all carbs we eat
 
bigdavid said:
your body is like "superdrol? **** this ****.." lol
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Apparently so. Something about the way the body balances hormones out. It's very complex and strange. And has a lot to do with our diet and how many toxins we ingest both in our food and in the air.
 
Oh I understand how it can happen, I'm just saying I've never seen it happen in person to anybody I know.


I doubt this has anything to do with it but with breakfast I take my softgels then about 30 min later I take a crap. Am I crapping this stuff out? Lol
 
R1balla said:
Oh I understand how it can happen, I'm just saying I've never seen it happen in person to anybody I know.


I doubt this has anything to do with it but with breakfast I take my softgels then about 30 min later I take a crap. Am I crapping this stuff out? Lol
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No and the fact that you are now seeing an increase in hunger just adds to the other effects showing AM is working. The hunger is related to increased protein retention, which is a good sign, just keep plugging away bud.
 
This is starting to sound promising. Your body wants more fuel to grow bubba!
 
AZMIDLYF said:
This is starting to sound promising. Your body wants more fuel to grow bubba!
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I hope that's what's happening. Really surprised I haven't seen any gains so far and it's the end of week 3. Very disappointed
 
R1balla said:
I hope that's what's happening. Really surprised I haven't seen any gains so far and it's the end of week 3. Very disappointed
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Yea I agree with you about being a bit let down with the lack of gains, I don't think I would run this product without a methyl kick. When I was running am and Mdrol I put on about 10 pounds, within a week of dropping the methyl I lost 4 of the pounds. I do think it helped to preserve the remaining six but I didn't buy AM to maintain gains, I bought it to increase them....
 
R1balla said:
all the huge gains were seen on V2....
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:thumbsup: v2

:thumbsdown: v3
 
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