Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH

mattrag said:
End of day 13. I am gonna add the endoamp max to night time dosing to try get me to sleep better. I feel elevated cortisol levels. My left eye lid keeps twitching (past two days). So I have a feeling it has something to do with that.
Also, lowered nolva to 10mgs.
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interesting. Well I would say good morning but since it is evening for you good evening sir. LOL
 
Onlychevy6 said:
interesting. Well I would say good morning but since it is evening for you good evening sir. LOL
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hehe, yea its 1040pm I should sleep early. Thought i would lift tomorrow. but if I indeed do have elevated cortisol I should just wait till Monday.
 
mattrag said:
hehe, yea its 1040pm I should sleep early. Thought i would lift tomorrow. but if I indeed do have elevated cortisol I should just wait till Monday.
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You should try a cortisol blocker man i bet it would help a ton right now, What would you say the side effects of elevated cortisol are FEELING wise to know if it's too high or not? I've got a nice Cortisol blocker set up in my PCT, in fact that is like the one thing i would think would be super important considering coming off a PH or AAS you have very high cortisol levels. Some people take a full-week off but i would think a couple days would be sufficient (well my plan at least haha)
 
Oh and Vitamin C at 1.5-3 Grams per day 1 Gram upon awakening and 1-2 grams Post workout lowers cortisol in as little as 24 hours. :)
 
mattrag said:
Haha, it's FLEXED. So its not like i have 18.5 guns resting... I need more size on them still. Though all my friends say my arms are too big... I just cant see it.. =\
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Lol my arm are nearly the same either way. My bis don't peak a lot they are just really full. If you get what I mean. But yeah they are def big dude shut up haha. Still going strong. Nice.
 
thetinyguy said:
Oh and Vitamin C at 1.5-3 Grams per day 1 Gram upon awakening and 1-2 grams Post workout lowers cortisol in as little as 24 hours. :)
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I just chug a gallon of OJ ya know.
 
thetinyguy said:
You should try a cortisol blocker man i bet it would help a ton right now, What would you say the side effects of elevated cortisol are FEELING wise to know if it's too high or not? I've got a nice Cortisol blocker set up in my PCT, in fact that is like the one thing i would think would be super important considering coming off a PH or AAS you have very high cortisol levels. Some people take a full-week off but i would think a couple days would be sufficient (well my plan at least haha)
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I am technically on one. PCT black has the same ingredient as erase and is double dosed and Im taking 2 a night. Perhaps I can take one in the AM as well? Hmm. Ive run Lean Extreme but I wont comment cause that PCT was horrible lol.
The feeling for me of elevated cortisol is not being able to handle stress correctly. Like, not blowing up at someone, but kinda the reverse. Blowing up at yourself, letting small things make the most of you, not having the confidence. Also, bp, that eye thing are some anecdotal symptoms but I would think nothing but an adrenal test and saliva test would show you real results. Also, feeling tired in the AM and wired at night (like me).
 
CountryLiftin said:
I just chug a gallon of OJ ya know.
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I don't drink juice lol. Besides all orange juice is fake.... they add some kind of chemical to "standardize the taste" then add in orange flavor lol. That's why all the orange juice taste the same year round. ;)
 
mattrag said:
I don't drink juice lol. Besides all orange juice is fake.... they add some kind of chemical to "standardize the taste" then add in orange flavor lol. That's why all the orange juice taste the same year round. ;)
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Lmfao
 
mattrag said:
I am technically on one. PCT black has the same ingredient as erase and is double dosed and Im taking 2 a night. Perhaps I can take one in the AM as well? Hmm. Ive run Lean Extreme but I wont comment cause that PCT was horrible lol.
The feeling for me of elevated cortisol is not being able to handle stress correctly. Like, not blowing up at someone, but kinda the reverse. Blowing up at yourself, letting small things make the most of you, not having the confidence. Also, bp, that eye thing are some anecdotal symptoms but I would think nothing but an adrenal test and saliva test would show you real results. Also, feeling tired in the AM and wired at night (like me).
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so your saying pct black is your cortisol blocker? and you didnt like lean xtreme, please DO comment cause i was really thinking about picking up some lean xtreme...
 
Srt4Muscle said:
so your saying pct black is your cortisol blocker? and you didnt like lean xtreme, please DO comment cause i was really thinking about picking up some lean xtreme...
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Well erase really stresses my joints. I don't know if it's both dryness and low cort or both. Lean extreme... Maybe I just wasn't taking it right? Or maybe I shouldn't have cut in pct lol. I just didn't notice ANYTHING from it. It's good on paper. It's damn good. Specially with the foskolin but did nothing for me.
For cort block I was planning on getting my carbs (to blunt any gluconeogenesis which will cause a rise in cortisol ) in and vitamin c. I have endoamp max and some more cortisol adaptogens.
 
mattrag said:
I don't drink juice lol. Besides all orange juice is fake.... they add some kind of chemical to "standardize the taste" then add in orange flavor lol. That's why all the orange juice taste the same year round. ;)
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Buy local :) and I don't drink it either I was kidding. I drink milk and water. Lol. Soda sometimes. I mean I'm crippled I need something. I have been sticking to lg diet for a few days now and I like it. I can def do this.
 
mattrag said:
I am technically on one. PCT black has the same ingredient as erase and is double dosed and Im taking 2 a night. Perhaps I can take one in the AM as well? Hmm. Ive run Lean Extreme but I wont comment cause that PCT was horrible lol.
The feeling for me of elevated cortisol is not being able to handle stress correctly. Like, not blowing up at someone, but kinda the reverse. Blowing up at yourself, letting small things make the most of you, not having the confidence. Also, bp, that eye thing are some anecdotal symptoms but I would think nothing but an adrenal test and saliva test would show you real results. Also, feeling tired in the AM and wired at night (like me).
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Is it bad that I feel like this all the time ? Hahahahaha.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Is it bad that I feel like this all the time ? Hahahahaha.
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Cortisol. I would honestly NOT do lean gains when you are trying to recover from adrenal fatigue but there are plenty of theories.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Buy local :) and I don't drink it either I was kidding. I drink milk and water. Lol. Soda sometimes. I mean I'm crippled I need something. I have been sticking to lg diet for a few days now and I like it. I can def do this.
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Buy local of all you can man! Thats the way. :)
 
Haha fortunately where I live I can get almost everything local. No to mention we grow out own food. And a lot of our own meats. We get a full pig raised naturally by my grandfather and a quarter of grass fed beef from my neighbor every year. And grow own vege and fruits. but anyways I think I'm just an angry man. Haha. I have been like this a long time. But I got tht bottle of erase to toss in in a few more weeks with some other stuff. Lean gains to cut about 15 pounds before spring gets here. Oh yeah. I need to get back to the gym soon. My back is almost better I think.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Haha fortunately where I live I can get almost everything local. No to mention we grow out own food. And a lot of our own meats. We get a full pig raised naturally by my grandfather and a quarter of grass fed beef from my neighbor every year. And grow own vege and fruits. but anyways I think I'm just an angry man. Haha. I have been like this a long time. But I got tht bottle of erase to toss in in a few more weeks with some other stuff. Lean gains to cut about 15 pounds before spring gets here. Oh yeah. I need to get back to the gym soon. My back is almost better I think.
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Lol. I'm hoping to put on about 10 more before April. Then I'll try cut when I run tren an ultradrol( or hella)
With luck I won't even lose weight just pure recomp.
 
mattrag said:
Lol. I'm hoping to put on about 10 more before April. Then I'll try cut when I run tren an ultradrol( or hella)
With luck I won't even lose weight just pure recomp.
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Pure recomp would be cool man! Haha I haven't lifted in like nearly a month now I guess. And I have lost no weight at all. Holding at 12% bf or less. And visibly no real reduction is muscle mass or strength. I can tell I'm off of supps but that's about it. Gota love natty test ;)
 
CountryLiftin said:
Pure recomp would be cool man! Haha I haven't lifted in like nearly a month now I guess. And I have lost no weight at all. Holding at 12% bf or less. And visibly no real reduction is muscle mass or strength. I can tell I'm off of supps but that's about it. Gota love natty test ;)
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Yup young power lol.
I'm barely holding my weight at 215 haha.
 
mattrag said:
Yup young power lol.
I'm barely holding my weight at 215 haha.
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195 :). Considering I was up to 202 when my bulk was finished 195@12% isn't bad. I miss being like 8 though. Oh well. Considering I was like 145 two years ago exactly I am making good progress. I just won't ever get any taller. I wish I had grown like 3 more inches :(
 
CountryLiftin said:
195 :). Considering I was up to 202 when my bulk was finished 195@12% isn't bad. I miss being like 8 though. Oh well. Considering I was like 145 two years ago exactly I am making good progress. I just won't ever get any taller. I wish I had grown like 3 more inches :(
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Yea... I wish I was 6'

145 man thats some mean gains.
I was 260 in high school lol. Reminds me tonight I'm gonna be using my hgh patch.
 
mattrag said:
Yea... I wish I was 6'

145 man thats some mean gains.
I was 260 in high school lol. Reminds me tonight I'm gonna be using my hgh patch.
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Damn dude! Yeah I'm 5 9. It sucks. Haha. Everyone thinks I'm tall just cause I'm big though. But I was get like 230 some day and I'll be content haha. I think I can do it. Next bulk in gona go for 210.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Damn dude! Yeah I'm 5 9. It sucks. Haha. Everyone thinks I'm tall just cause I'm big though. But I was get like 230 some day and I'll be content haha. I think I can do it. Next bulk in gona go for 210.
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Everyone just thinks Im huge. In college they just called me "Big Matt". I had some muscle back then... but now im heavier and leaner... by a lot ... I actually cant wait to see what my buddies call me when they see me at my wedding. Too bad I cant be on tren then....
 
mattrag said:
Everyone just thinks Im huge. In college they just called me "Big Matt". I had some muscle back then... but now im heavier and leaner... by a lot ... I actually cant wait to see what my buddies call me when they see me at my wedding. Too bad I cant be on tren then....
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What's stopping you??
 
mattrag said:
Lol don't temp me... lol I have my 3 packets of trenavar and ultradrol in Hawaii waiting for me to bring it back here. Lol.

I am in PCT. My body needs some time off ;)
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Don't be a wimp! You can do it now! Just think, what would Rick do?
 
mattrag said:
Everyone just thinks Im huge. In college they just called me "Big Matt". I had some muscle back then... but now im heavier and leaner... by a lot ... I actually cant wait to see what my buddies call me when they see me at my wedding. Too bad I cant be on tren then....
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Haha Dude you were good sized when I saw u starting again. And you are huge now haha. your gona be ripped for that wedding man. Damn if getting married give you that much motivation I need to get engaged. Hahaha. Ah. Soon enough man I'll be back.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Haha Dude you were good sized when I saw u starting again. And you are huge now haha. your gona be ripped for that wedding man. Damn if getting married give you that much motivation I need to get engaged. Hahaha. Ah. Soon enough man I'll be back.
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Not ripped lol. I'm leaner but not ripped like Rick rock man. Lol
He is impressive. Summer. My goal is to look like that. But at 220lbs.
 
mattrag said:
Everyone just thinks Im huge. In college they just called me "Big Matt". I had some muscle back then... but now im heavier and leaner... by a lot ... I actually cant wait to see what my buddies call me when they see me at my wedding. Too bad I cant be on tren then....
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Thought u had a wife?

BTW u had previous pics up that I missed?
 
mattrag said:
Not ripped lol. I'm leaner but not ripped like Rick rock man. Lol
He is impressive. Summer. My goal is to look like that. But at 220lbs.
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Haha no crap but we all can't look like gods okay. Haha. Yeah man your well on your way. No one gets there overnight or even in a year or two.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Thought u had a wife?

BTW u had previous pics up that I missed?
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His older logs. And uh, he got married in Japan already but again in Hawaii when he goes home for his family!? I think. It's late lol.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Thought u had a wife?

BTW u had previous pics up that I missed?
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yup, getting married again for my hawaii relatives.


CountryLiftin said:
Haha no crap but we all can't look like gods okay. Haha. Yeah man your well on your way. No one gets there overnight or even in a year or two.
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Yea. I hope to get there some day though ;)


CountryLiftin said:
His older logs. And uh, he got married in Japan already but again in Hawaii when he goes home for his family!? I think. It's late lol.
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I should up load the pics... its such a pain though. AM needs to have some way to just let me upload it directly here and edit it down to the right size....
 
Curious to see the mass monster haha...
Ur getting
Married twice :thumbsup:
 
mattrag said:
Rick would run SARMs lol. He is OFF cycle atm lol.
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I know I'm following the log. We getting updated pics any time soon?
 
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These were taken on Friday 1/ 27/2012

I was still up around 20lbs since the beginning of the cycle. End of Week 2 of PCT. Actually look a little better than when I was still on Mdrol. Cept my arms got smaller... (Still 18.5 inches flexed though, didnt want to measure on cycle as to depress me further lol)
 
Nothing to be afraid of there man. Looking swole up. Hell of a cycle. Great job.
 
Todays AM workout

CG bench
135x15
205x9
205x10 (PR)

Bent over row
135x20
225x10
295x3
315x8 (PR)
315x7

SLDL

135x15
225x10
235x10 (PR)

EZ bar curl

70x15
90x10
90x10 (PR)

Upright rows
70x20 (PR)
70x19



So, after thinking about it... me just going up in reps is not the best idea specially when I am going up to the point where I am hitting some of my 5RMs for 10 reps... Probably not so good for my cortisol levels lol. So as I am entering week 3 I will now move the reps back to 5 and just move the weight up by 10lbs every workout. ;) My "deload" will be when I catch the airplane from Japan to Korea (2hr stop over), then to Hawaii.
That should be enough time to deload. I'm hoping I can lift the day I get back.
 
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