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11 week cut cycle log, sd and hdrol combos, epistane, oxyguno and dbol

Srt4Muscle said:
lol im such a whimp when it comes to big numbers, i was not built to be a heavy lifter. i always get unjuried going up, you can tell im a hard gainer by just looking at me. started at 133 back in 2006, learned alot of what not to do the hard way. got some shoulder pain almost always from improper bench press when i started out. now i have to stay off barbell bench almost completely, just started working back into decline bb. i also never did legs before, maybe a week or two, but i was def the top heavy guy for a while. so my numbers are weak again lol gotta start somewhere though so i can fix the problems.

as far as numbers go, it actually reminds me. i just overcame one of my goals last week, which was to start weighted dips. i did 45lbs 3 times, on my 6th set. that was a huge accomplishment for me. let me think of some short term goals i want to achieve...

hanging dips 45lbs set of 10
flat db press 100lbs set of 6
flat bench press my weight 20 times in a row
squat 225 all the way down and up

and last which i havent tried yet
weighted wide grip pull ups, 25lbs set of 10

thanks for the motivation guys, i needed a good push. ill be killing those weighted dips today...
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Stay at it bro. I like that you are setting goals, adds motivation almost like competing with yourself
 
I've got 2 tried and true methods to get through on-cycle cutting phases.

1. Bring a copy of flex, md, or m&f to the gym and page through it in the car b4 u go in. Sounds like a little thing, but really gets the juices flowing. If that doesn't work..

2. 100mg of TProp. Sometimes when off the T for a long time the body will get worn down. Prop will raise the E2 for a couple days but not a major issue if you're training hard again.

Experienced lifters are always facing diminishing returns so the mediocre workouts can maintain, but to make those improvements you've gotta find it man. We're in your corner bro.
 
Keep that motivation up!!

Might wanna evaluate the other side too. What is bringing you down? I just reevaluated mine. And it isn't worth it to stop. Lol. Keep trucking!!
 
alright so yeah i was losing motivation, maybe its from switching to EPI, or getting bored with my workout, or just being plain hungry and tired, IDK, gotta get my head straight. i think i been way too focused on my scale lately, but when i look back every week my pictures look better and better. i been working some long hours and fighting off some more injuries, my wrist has been killing me, along with my shoulder. my wrist feels like shin splints and my shoulder is just sore. being my third week of this new diet that could be bringing me down a bit too. after reading your comments i thought about everything that i got going on and decided to get my **** together. this is no time to lose sight of my goals, granted i have come a very long way and lost alot of BF, but thats no excuse to slack off. ive had 3 workout partners in 108 days, lol one never committed, one lost 20lbs and quit on me, and the other gainned 20lbs and has started slacking. im better than that though, im back in business, i got some new supps, and am changing my workout a bit so im more happy at the gym. so on to day 50 workout, lol i thought i had weighted dips today, i was so off thats chest day. today was arms...

day 50 167.5
close grip pull ups, palms in
14, 7
push downs
75x14, 70x13
single arm machine curl
40x12, 40x8, 35x8 - this workout was so good, best concentration curl yet
close bench
185x3 - shoulder hurt too much
rope pull downs
50x12, 50x8, 45x11, 45x11
single arm reverse push downs
20x8, 20x7
alternating db curls
35x10, 35x10, 35x10
weighted bench dips
105x11, 105x10, 105x10
knuckle busters - thats what someone said they were, standing cable curls, arms out pulled in to my ears
30x10, 30x8, 30x10, 35 drop set 30, 25, 20, 15, 10 as many as i could do
cable kick backs - different cable system than usual
10x12, 10x12

so today i changed some workouts to fit how i felt at the gym, it kept me motivated and made it fun again. i really powered through trying some new workouts, i mean its not supposed to be a chore at the gym. so we had some fun and this was the best bicep pump ive had in a while.

thanks again for the motivation guys, not many people really know how hard im working at this recomp. im only half way there if you count PCT, so im gonna finish strong. this is the best shape ive ever been in, but im not settling yet, like flag nor fails says, WORK, HUSTLE, KILL!!!
 
P.S. by new supps, i mean creatine, bcaa's w/glutamine, daa, and just some taurine lol i love getting new supps. even just a new multivitamin, its all in my head but thats where it all starts. mind over matter, and my mind say you got new ****, so work harder lmao.
 
Keep going man!!
We gotta keep killing it in pct too man! No losing the motivation there either! 2012 will be shredded and jacked!
 
yep im pretty excited again now that i think about it, im only half way done. i already have made great gains now i get to look forward to the second half. the second half will be harder but produce the best results...

i have decided not to try and compete in the bb show. after doing more research, even for a small show, i want to be better prepared. its not fair to myself to try and get competition ready in 5 weeks. i need a posing routine, music, and practice, i have enough on my plate already. but it has sparked my interest and ill be looking into it more.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
yep im pretty excited again now that i think about it, im only half way done. i already have made great gains now i get to look forward to the second half. the second half will be harder but produce the best results...

i have decided not to try and compete in the bb show. after doing more research, even for a small show, i want to be better prepared. its not fair to myself to try and get competition ready in 5 weeks. i need a posing routine, music, and practice, i have enough on my plate already. but it has sparked my interest and ill be looking into it more.
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Ah. Yea anything under 10 weeks is rough to just jump in on. While I have no exp I have watched countless logs on YouTube and on forums for contest prep. Not something you want rushed.
You made a smart choice. The future is bright my friend. Kill this cycle, rest recover, make some natty gains, then bring it on with a summer shred cycle!!
 
lmao this is my winter, spring, summer shred cycle!!! cause thats how long its taking me to figure out how to cut haha. like i said ive been cutting now for 108 days, as sad as that sounds. i had alot of trial and error to say the least...but this summer ill be just lifting and exercising to maintain, im gonna catch up on some missed family time. im already planning my first "CLEAN" bulk for this fall though. maybe follow that up with a real contest prep... long term goals, no shortcuts
 
Srt4Muscle said:
lmao this is my winter, spring, summer shred cycle!!! cause thats how long its taking me to figure out how to cut haha. like i said ive been cutting now for 108 days, as sad as that sounds. i had alot of trial and error to say the least...but this summer ill be just lifting and exercising to maintain, im gonna catch up on some missed family time. im already planning my first "CLEAN" bulk for this fall though. maybe follow that up with a real contest prep... long term goals, no shortcuts
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wow, surprised your liver is still working.....




GL
 
hey gymrat, lol i could have used your smart ass comments this whole time you know. maybe made my log more interesting haha i dont mean i been on "cycle" the whole time, bud. just what i have posted...i was just saying i cant run a summer shred cycle since im just finishing up this one and i need months off inbetween. i been working hard at cutting for about 4 months though and by the end of pct hopefully ill be as shredded as im gonna get. ill be planning a real gear bulk cycle for halloween time, no liver stress for a long while after this :)

i was wondering how long it would take to hear from you again, have you been following? any comments besides "11 weeks of orals, good idea here" hahahaha
 
im busy man...i rep 4 companies/labs and am all over the fa king place. This is the first time ive been in the thread since i was giving you sh!t for beating up your liver.

i will say to cut down on the cardio during pct.....or add more cals in your post WO shake/meal/whatever you take






GL
 
lol i have done cardio only 3 times in 3 weeks, my whole plan has been changing and changing. but thank you for the healthy recommendation, im sure you are really busy. i am going to up my calories by a bit for sure during pct, if i lose too much more weight ill be in the 150's lol i havent seen those in 5 years.
 
day 50.5 pulled a 2 a day today 170.2 at the gym

squats - all the way down, butt to heels
135x10, 175x6, 185x4, 185x4 185x3 this whole set was kinda a PR for all the way down
hip abduction
100x12, 100x12, 100x12
glute machine
150x12, 150x12
iso knee leg curl
60x10, 60x8
db lunges
30x10, 30x10
seated calf raises
90x50, 90x40
ab workout
decline situps
20, 17
situp stand
12, 7
 
day 51 168.3 at the gym

flat db
95x4, 90x4, 85x5, 85x4, 80x4
flat db fly
30x10, 25x10
incline db
75x5, 70x4, 70x4, 65x5, 65x3
incline db flys
25x12, 15x12
decline barbell
135x8, 135x8
hanging dips
45x4, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5

took the last two days off, tomorrow will be day 54 and back day. my diet has fallen off, i worked 3 12hr days. well see what my weight looks like tomorrow. i also started 5g of creatine and 7.5g aminos, so i assume it will be up a bit anyway. ill be rethinking my diet plans over the weekend and reattack.
 
That's real good strength on db lifts bro!
 
LiveToLift said:
That's real good strength on db lifts bro!
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thanks man, i dont really label my PRs but thats as good as ive ever lifted right there. matter of fact, following up with the incline and the weighted dips, im pretty proud of those numbers. the EPI seems to be treating me well, dont have the pump of SD but strength is pretty consistant to slightly increasing still.
 
i also do 1-2 more reps with every set, i just have a little help, so i dont count them for myself. it really makes a difference when your trying to push past plateau's.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
thanks man, i dont really label my PRs but thats as good as ive ever lifted right there. matter of fact, following up with the incline and the weighted dips, im pretty proud of those numbers. the EPI seems to be treating me well, dont have the pump of SD but strength is pretty consistant to slightly increasing still.
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Interesting, probably running epi in my next cycle so love to hear the feedback! Now that I'm near my target weight I think trading fat for muscle is more beneficial to me then just increasing weight!
 
yeah honestly that was my plan, well see where im at in 3 weeks or so. starting weight of around 174 (at the gym) and im hanging around 170 (at the gym), probably lost 2-4% BF. honestly i dont know what to think of my progress, the scale is playing tricks on me. i am happy with the way i look and the weights im throwing up. i guess in the end it doesnt matter what my scale reads, pictures say a thousand words...
 
Srt4Muscle said:
i also do 1-2 more reps with every set, i just have a little help, so i dont count them for myself. it really makes a difference when your trying to push past plateau's.
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Yeah man, forced reps and rest-pause. A lot of old school guys do them instinctively without even knowing there's a name for it, but it's the best way to force tissue growth. Also takes a LOT out of you while you're dieting. PRing while losing 6 lbs. Gotta love the dark side man.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
yeah honestly that was my plan, well see where im at in 3 weeks or so. starting weight of around 174 and im hanging around 168, probably lost 3-4% BF. honestly i dont know what to think of my progress, the scale is playing tricks on me. i am happy with the way i look and the weights im throwing up. i guess in the end it doesnt matter what my scale reads, pictures say a thousand words...
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yea use the mirror, progress pix etc. The scale can be VERY deceiving...Specially on PH.

Good work so far man! Your cut is long and crazy, but those abs will be WORTH IT!
 
Yeah I think I have a good recomp going, also my weight looks so low since I've had such low intake of Carbs. Since my diet fell off a bit the last couple days I do expect my weight to be significantly higher. But my BF should be the same so really it means better progress IMO. My goals are for after PCT also so I have 7ish weeks left. 175@ 10% BF, we shall see...
 
Srt4Muscle said:
Yeah I think I have a good recomp going, also my weight looks so low since I've had such low intake of Carbs. Since my diet fell off a bit the last couple days I do expect my weight to be significantly higher. But my BF should be the same so really it means better progress IMO. My goals are for after PCT also so I have 7ish weeks left. 175@ 10% BF, we shall see...
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Should be mean!
my PCT starts today... man... I can't wait to start another cycle....
 
mattrag said:
Should be mean!
my PCT starts today... man... I can't wait to start another cycle....
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So true, about half way through my cycle and already excited and ready for the next! LOL
 
Lol honestly im excited for PCT, believe it or not, my libido is shot and im ready for my boys to be back in shape!!! Haha
 
Srt4Muscle said:
Lol honestly im excited for PCT, believe it or not, my libido is shot and im ready for my boys to be back in shape!!! Haha
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My boys don't need to be functioning until my wife says she wants kids. Other than that... my boys are on vacation while big papa pump gets bigger.
 
I'll tell ya what since I took flex's advice and started daa my libido has gone up dramatically.
 
Agreed I started DAA about a week ago, I forgot a day or two but when I did take it def had some serious morning wood and even almost had a wet dream lmfao
 
On a side note ill post my day 54 workout later but it was back day after 2 days off, I killed it. I was lifting so hard, tried weighted pull ups for the first time and had help with 2 extra reps on every set of lift. So I get done and feel like my back is literally swollen, go to eat and start to get sore, I even dropped my tray of food everywhere. By the end of the night I feel a strain inbetween my shoulder blades. Its pretty bad, had to skip the gym today. Hopefully it gets better in a couple days, ill try and do some light legs tomorrow.
 
Weighted pullups are the shi-.

I've seen some studies saying that chins (underhand grip) activate more of the various back muscles involved, plus they make your biceps blow up. Do those.

I bet if you did chins regularly you could pull your bodyweight +100lbs pretty soon.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
On a side note ill post my day 54 workout later but it was back day after 2 days off, I killed it. I was lifting so hard, tried weighted pull ups for the first time and had help with 2 extra reps on every set of lift. So I get done and feel like my back is literally swollen, go to eat and start to get sore, I even dropped my tray of food everywhere. By the end of the night I feel a strain inbetween my shoulder blades. Its pretty bad, had to skip the gym today. Hopefully it gets better in a couple days, ill try and do some light legs tomorrow.
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I had almost the same exact thing happen when I PR'd at 205 in high pulls a month ago. The injury was higher on the trap though. It got better over the course of a week and now that side actually has more mass than the other, despite not being my dominant side. Lower Traps are sensitive to being tweaked though, especially on DL/bent over row, and that's the only muscle between the shoulder blades. Good news is they tend to heal up very quick; much faster than shoulder problems.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
On a side note ill post my day 54 workout later but it was back day after 2 days off, I killed it. I was lifting so hard, tried weighted pull ups for the first time and had help with 2 extra reps on every set of lift. So I get done and feel like my back is literally swollen, go to eat and start to get sore, I even dropped my tray of food everywhere. By the end of the night I feel a strain inbetween my shoulder blades. Its pretty bad, had to skip the gym today. Hopefully it gets better in a couple days, ill try and do some light legs tomorrow.
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Wow, hope it's not serious. I read that your back felt swollen and I thought it was a good thing lol. Keep stretching and perhaps try icing it if possible... weird position so I don't know how you would ice it.

Take care man and perhaps for legs do more machine's than barbell stuff. Positioning the bar across your back might be a bit stressful on your upper back.

Good luck!
 
thanks matt, i had to skip another whole day at the gym. just didnt feel like it would be benificial to push it and it was a great idea because today i woke up and it wasnt too bad. i went and did shoulders and had no problems. so heres my back workout from the injury day...

day 54 174.7lbs at the gym- i ate anything i wanted last week, totally destructive. i also been taking 7g creatine and 10g bcaa's for about 7 days now, so ill be holding water for the couple weeks. im not gonna let the scale get to me, i will continue to post my weight. on the positive side i think it was a good reset for my body to get full of carbs and junk, a good shock to the system and i got the urges out of me now. i was so grumpy on my diet last week, i was not having fun. i bought a new watch so i can time myself and eat every 3 hours now, small portions of carbs and protein, no carbs after lunch.

weighted pull ups
25x3, 25x2, 15x3, 10x3, 5x4
lat pull downs
100x12, 120x8, 100x9, 85x9
high row
130x6, 130x6, 130x5, 130x4
snatch grip shrugs
205x12, 225x12, 225x12, 205x12
iso lat (single)
90x7, 90x5
iso lat (double)
140x12, 140x8
Tbar row
95x10, 95x8, 95x7, 95x6

day 55 175.2 at the gym

standing military
105x6, 125x5, 125x5, 125x3, 115x5
standing cable extensions
10x12, 10x8, dropset
external rotations
5x10, 5x10
rear delt fly machine
50x12, 60x12, 50x12
ab stand
20, 17, 15
db military
50x5, 55x4, 55x4, 50x5, 50x7
hanging knee lifts
30, 30
laying leg lifts
17, 13
 
So here are my picture from before last week, a couple people said they think I was under 10% BF which is great except I was weighing in around 167 (at home). My goal is 175 @10% which is probably not achievable now but I do think I can add a pound or two in the next 3 weeks and get back down to 10% by the end of pct. And thats way I started the creatine and bcaa's. Really this was no excuse to fall off my diet but it is what it is. Again these are picture from about 9 days ago.

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this is what i ate today, im about ready for bed

0900 woke up
0930 nutrigrain bar
1000 workout
1230 5oz chicken breast, summer squash, small salad 2 tbls ranch dressing
1530 nutrigrain bar, protein shake
1800 5oz beef cubes, small salad 2 tbls ranch dressing
2030 5oz beef cubes, protein shake
2330 4 egg scrabbled with some ham and cheese
0200 bedtime
 
Good updates man, sorry to hear about the injury. You played it smart by allowing it to heal up instead of going in and doing more damage, that's a hard thing to do when "on". Get that diet in check don't cheat yourself!
 
diet back in check, took about 3 days to get my BF back down to where it was prior to my "cheat week" (thats what im gonna call it lol) hopefully it keeps dropping over the next 2 weeks.

day 56 172.8 at the gym
weighted close grip pull ups
25x5, 25x4, 25x3
rope pull downs
60x14, 60x9, 50x11, 50x9
single arm curl machine
45x12, 45x8, 40x10
reverse grip bench
135x12, 135x12, 135x9
alternating db curl
40x10, 40x7, 40x7
push downs
70x11, 70x9, 70x8
knucklebuster curls
30x12, 30x11, 30x9
weighted bench dips
95x16, 95x14, 95x11

been changing around some of my workouts, had to take out straight bar curls because of a sore wrist. also gave reverse grip bench a try instead of close grip, i did feel like it was more effective at targeting just the tricep. all and all im trying to do the best workouts possible so ill have to give up some PR's since i havent done some of these exercises before and ill be skipping my old ones. maybe later ill come back to some of my other lifts and try to beat them for fun.
 
today was leg day, i was not feeling it. only got about 6 hrs of sleep so i did the best i could to lift heavy for a bit, then i decided to just do some burnouts to get it over with. i am sore as **** from the burnouts, way more sore than usual lol i guess its a good thing. i been working really hard on my legs for the last couple months and ive been no where near as sore as this, especially the same day as lifting. i might incorporate some burnouts on other days too, just to switch it up.

i would like to point out that some of my daily body weights are at the gym w/clothes and some are at home w/out clothes. i see now how confusing it would be if someone else were to see these major fluctuations. ill go back and edit the best i can. usually if i include BF im at home on my BF scale with just underwear on. thats the best way to get a accurate reading. obviously at the gym i have clothes and shoes on too.

day 57 171.5 at the gym
ab stand sit ups
30, 17
squats
135x6, 185x5, 185x5, 184x4
front squats - ive only done these a couple times, like i said i was not feeling it today. i started way too low in weight lol
65x6, 85x6, 105x6, 125x6, 135x3
iso leg curl
60x10, 60x8
seated leg curls
90x25, 90x21, 90x20
seated leg extensions
70x25, 70x25
 
so ill throw another update out there,

i started at 173(day 1, gym weight) and my lowest gym weight has been 167.4(day 48)....today i was 171.5(day 57)
 
mattrag said:
still going strong I see!
Keep killing it man.

Decided to stop trying to cut?
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lol no just had a little bump in the road last week, i am playing with my calorie and carb intake right now. i was very unhappy eating less than 50g of carbs, like literally angry haha. i would like to be above 170 and actually have a real 6 pack. i guess thats why its a recomp, got to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. it sure has been a long journey learning how to cut/recomp, i actually never thought i would have cut this much, especially not doing cardio. im taking it week by week, cutting but not trying to end up looking like tiny tim over here.
 
What are your daily calories right now?

Let us know how the "cheat week" affects your psyche. Sometimes I feel like I've been watching everything closely for so long I need a break but I wonder if I am just being a puss. Easier to stay on the wagon now?
 
adnscmplx said:
What are your daily calories right now?

Let us know how the "cheat week" affects your psyche. Sometimes I feel like I've been watching everything closely for so long I need a break but I wonder if I am just being a puss. Easier to stay on the wagon now?
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i would say between 1800-2000cal a day, no carbs after lunch, small portions every 3 hours on the dot. most the time i am not full after eating, usually at lunch i take a ECA stack which kill my hunger.

this is what my diet looked like yesterday, pretty much the same build everyday just minor substitues
------ 0900 woke up
120c, 0930 nutrigrain bar
------ 1000 workout
400c, 1230 5oz chicken breast, green beans, 3/4 potatoes
300c, 1530 nutrigrain bar, protein shake
400c, 1800 4oz beef stripes, green beans, 3/4 potatoes
130c, 2030 protein shake
400c, 2330 3 egg scrabbled with cheese, 5 very very small wings(probably 3oz total)
------ 0200 bedtime

my cheat week was pretty stupid, i would say my body is back in the same shape i was after 4 days of solid diet. i would suggest maybe a 2 day cheat, to be honest i really did go crazy, pizza, candy, everything. i just lost it, but i do think i was a bit stuck and im confident ill be going lower in BF than i was very soon. also it will not get rid of all your temptations, me i can go about 3 days strict, after that i need rewards. like ill substitute a half of a snickers bar instead of a nutrigrain bar prior to workout, or a oatmeal cookie. its all a personal preference and we all have different goals. i am very please to be on track though...
 
808shredded said:
Keep up the good work! I think u mention hdrol in your cycle. How did or is working for you?
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honetly i cant be much help to that question, i was taking a combo PH that included superdrol in the same capsule. plus my hdrol intake was only 50mg and i wouldnt run it by itself at lower than 100mg per day. sorry i cant be of more help than that.
 
Hehe, IMO as long as you get our your "want" to cheat during your cheat "phase" and get your mind set back it's all good. And only 4 days to get back after 1 week of the mayhem? That's not that bad at all...

Keep keeping the eye on the Prize! (ABS @_@!!!! )
 
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well just so there so no confusion lol i really didnt want to post pictures til pct, but since i slipped up, ill show you my progress. im really proud, i only took one picture, no retakes here it is....after cheat week!!! check me out lol
 
im working hard, i really havent done cardio this whole cycle. that was not my plan but i been spending so much time lifting it was hard to find room for it. i just need to get that last pinch of fat off my bottom 4 abs and i would look amazing. this is the most cut i have ever been though so im not complaining
 
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