Oxygen 4 Energy - Pure Oxygen

[ZiR RED]

ok, i had mistakenly thought you were completely against the concept of higher concentrations of oxygen use as a supplement

i tried accessing the first study i posted through my uni but they dont have it... it would be interesting to see how the subjects were using the 33-100% oxygen and in what duration during their heavy work

I downloaded the second review. The major crux of their hypothesis is that subjects must have exercise induced arterial hypoexmia (EIAH). I'm not sure the exact figures, but most people don't experience EIAH during intense exercise, especially not resistance exercise. The fainting or light headedness during resistance training is due to changes in blood pressure, specifically with altered posture (going from leg press to standing - vaso vagal syndrome) or the valslva manuevar (squats and dead lifts).

I find it interesting they implicate CO2 in the central fatigue hypothesis. CO2 and its conversion to H+ (Acid) does cause vasorelaxation and increased blood flow. Since CO2 production is not going to increase significantly in the brain, I can see how this may cause central fatigue in people who hyperventilate with the exercise.

If we are going to use this hypothesis in our discussion, we need to delimitate between simple exercise induced hyperpnia (increased rate and depth of breathing to supply O2 and remove CO2) and actual hyperventilation.

Br

 

[oufinny]

Selling oxygen now... wow.

 

[ZiR RED]

ok, i had mistakenly thought you were completely against the concept of higher concentrations of oxygen use as a supplement

i tried accessing the first study i posted through my uni but they dont have it... it would be interesting to see how the subjects were using the 33-100% oxygen and in what duration during their heavy work

I can't get the second study, possibly because it was published in 1958, and many of those studies are not available online or via electric copy.

I did find one similar:

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[h=1]Hyperoxia improves maximal exercise with the self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA).[/h]Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed.
[h=3]Source[/h]Faculty of Physical Education and Recreation, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, T6G 2H9.

[h=3]Abstract[/h]The effects of hyperoxia on maximal exercise while breathing from a self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) were studied in 25 males. Each participant completed three graded exercise tests (GXT) for the assessment of maximal oxygen uptake (VO(2max)): two with 20.95 +/- 0.28% O(2) and the third (GXT(40)) while breathing hyperoxia (40.64 +/- 1.29% O(2)). No significant differences were found between the two normoxic tests, except for a 16W increase in maximal power output (PO(max)) in the second trial (GXT(21)). Compared to GXT(21), hyperoxia significantly increased VO(2max) and PO(max) by 10.0 +/- 3.8% and 10.2 +/- 7.1%, respectively. This was likely due to an increase in O(2) delivery as suggested by the significantly higher oxyhemoglobin saturation. The increase in VO (2max) with hyperoxia was similar to the increase in carbon dioxide production (9.3 +/- 6.5%). No other significant di.fferences were found at maximal exercise. However, at the intensity that elicited VO(2max) in GXT(21), pulmonary ventilation and SCBA mask pressure were significantly lower during GXT(40), suggesting a decrease in the work of breathing. These findings could have significant implications for occupations that involve heavy work with SCBA.


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When comparing this study to the suggested supplement, however, we must understand that this study is providing oxygen throughout an entire aerobic exercise task to fatigue, and not just a single breath of O2. In the case of the study, these changes were brought about by providing the subjects with the opportunity to breath in an additional 36 Liters of oxygen each minute
(Ve = 189 L
(189 * .21 = 39.69 L O2/min available to breath in ambient air
189 * .4 = 75.6 L O2/min available to breath in hyperoxia
75.6 - 39.69 = ~ 36 L

Now, assuming your actual work during lifting weights is 45 sec/set and you do 15 sets in a session, you would need to supply yourself with approximately 12 L of additional O2 to have any chance on impacting performance.

How much O2 does the NTBM shots provide?

Br

 

[chocolatemilk]

Selling oxygen now... wow.

substantial post :yawn:

If we are going to use this hypothesis in our discussion, we need to delimitate between simple exercise induced hyperpnia (increased rate and depth of breathing to supply O2 and remove CO2) and actual hyperventilation.

like i said earlier i think it's because PH becomes more alkaline when significant loss of CO2 is experienced

hyperventilation can happen when someone reaches their vo2 max... i would think that is a good grounds for discussions (@ or near vo2 max) besides actual hyperventilation

How much O2 does the NTBM shots provide?

i agree, in reality whole liters should be used so i can see the stuff helping someone who had an event and taking a few cans with him to the event... that would be awesome

but yea i don't know how a few breaths will pan out in regards to exercise

 

[ZiR RED]

substantial post :yawn:

like i said earlier i think it's because PH becomes more alkaline when significant loss of CO2 is experienced

hyperventilation can happen when someone reaches their vo2 max... i would think that is a good grounds for discussions (@ or near vo2 max) besides actual hyperventilation

Blood pH rarely becomes more alkaline during exercise. It becomes more acidic.

At vo2max, we are producing significant amounts of CO2 and H, and therefore it is crucial to become hyperpnic.

During weight training, however, we do not come close to exercising at VO2max, especially since the work is all anaerobic.

 

[chocolatemilk]

Blood pH rarely becomes more alkaline during exercise. It becomes more acidic.

At vo2max, we are producing significant amounts of CO2 and H, and therefore it is crucial to become hyperpnic.

During weight training, however, we do not come close to exercising at VO2max, especially since the work is all anaerobic.

you are misunderstanding... i am simply saying extreme loss of CO2 during hyperventilation (not exercise) makes blood PH more alkaline. excessive carbon dioxide causes more acidic blood levels yes

and i agree, stuff is more for cardio than anything

 

[tnubs]

you are misunderstanding... i am simply saying extreme loss of CO2 during hyperventilation (not exercise) makes blood PH more alkaline. excessive carbon dioxide causes more acidic blood levels yes

and i agree, stuff is more for cardio than anything

There would have to be a reason for the hyperventilation.

 

[jbryand101b]

So, if one has a continuous flow of 98% pure or w/e oxygen, and is using this 4,5,6 days a week, how would this effect red blood cell count?

Is it logical to think if lack of oxygen leads to increases rbc count, excessive o2 would lead to decreases in rbc concentration?

 

[RickRock13]

For those interested, I've started my log and I'm trying it out starting today...

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[tnubs]

So, if one has a continuous flow of 98% pure or w/e oxygen, and is using this 4,5,6 days a week, how would this effect red blood cell count?

Is it logical to think if lack of oxygen leads to increases rbc count, excessive o2 would lead to decreases in rbc concentration?

It seems like it should work but don't want to put out wrong information. I havnt heard anything about this in school but many people on oxygen get CBCs multiple times through a hospital visit so the information is out there even if it hasn't been interpreted.

 

[oufinny]

substantial post :yawn:

I don't need your approval to post guy, but thanks anyways. Its a ridiculous product but I was trying to be more subtle. Its your old company that you repped for so no shock there, god forbid you say anything even remotely critical of NTBM or Mr. Supps.

 

[chocolatemilk]

I don't need your approval to post guy, but thanks anyways. Its a ridiculous product but I was trying to be more subtle. Its your old company that you repped for so no shock there, god forbid you say anything even remotely critical of NTBM or Mr. Supps.

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i agree, in reality whole liters should be used so i can see the stuff helping someone who had an event and taking a few cans with him to the event... but yea i don't know how a few breaths will pan out in regards to exercise

 

[oufinny]

Sorry I didn't read the 11 pages of blaber about a useless product; its not high on my list knowing the manufacturer.

 

[jbryand101b]

It seems like it should work but don't want to put out wrong information. I havnt heard anything about this in school but many people on oxygen get CBCs multiple times through a hospital visit so the information is out there even if it hasn't been interpreted.

I see, have to take a look when I get back

 

[MidwestBeast]

Just started my bottle, this evening:

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[TheMeatus101]

Sweet.