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11 week cut cycle log, sd and hdrol combos, epistane, oxyguno and dbol

felt strong on day 21, almost euphoric during workout. it was great...i decided to change my plan also and take the 2 weeks inbetween. another thing im changin is removing the dbol from my PCT and adding it for weeks 5-6 for a real bridge. during the bridge ill be using clomid @ 50mg ED.
Clomid 50mg-------------------------------------0/0/0/0/1/1
Dbol 12.5mg-------------------------------------0/0/0/0/2/2

day 21 171.3
20 bike
warm up superset--straight bar curls--60x12--superset to--overhead bar extensions--60x12
straight bar(no wall)-----------------------74x13, 80x8, 75x8
skull crushers------------------------------80x14, 80x11, 80x9
alternating hammer curls-------------------35x13, 30x11, 30x9
close grip bench---------------------------145x13, 145x12, 145x10
wide ez preacher curls---------------------60x12, 60x10
close ez slow/negative curls----------------50x10, 50x10, 40x10 extra slow
rope(changed workout)--------------------40x15, 40x10, 40x8
15 bike
i took my cardio day off, my legs were sore from leg day and back still not feeling great. i kept track of my diet today and tried to keep my calories in check, especially since i skipped cardio.

protein bar----------------300
nutrigrain baR-------------120
steak, carrots, corn-------500
chocolate-----------------120
4eggs whites, bananas-----300
ill probably snack before bed, i did good today
total----------------------<1350 (probably eat a protein bar for +300)

NEW CYCLE PLAN:
SD 5mg and hdrol 25mg and p-plex 5mg combo----1/1/1/1
SD 15mg and hdrol 25mg combo------------------1/1/1/1
Dbol 12.5mg-------------------------------------0/0/0/0/2/2
Nolvadex 20mg----------------------------------0/0/0/0/1/1
Epistane 10mg-----------------------------------0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/4
Oxyguno 7.5mg----------------------------------0/0/0/0/0/0/2/2/3/3
Liv52-------------------------------------------1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1

NEW PCT:
daa@3g-----01/01/01/01
nolva--------20/20/20/20
clomid-----100/100/50/50
 
Srt4Muscle said:
felt strong on day 21, almost euphoric during workout. it was great...i decided to change my plan also and take the 2 weeks inbetween. another thing im changin is removing the dbol from my PCT and adding it for weeks 5-6 for a real bridge. during the bridge ill be using nolvadex @ 20mg ED.
Nolvadex 20mg----------------------------------0/0/0/0/1/1
Dbol 12.5mg-------------------------------------0/0/0/0/2/2

day 21 171.3
20 bike
warm up superset--straight bar curls--60x12--superset to--overhead bar extensions--60x12
straight bar(no wall)-----------------------74x13, 80x8, 75x8
skull crushers------------------------------80x14, 80x11, 80x9
alternating hammer curls-------------------35x13, 30x11, 30x9
close grip bench---------------------------145x13, 145x12, 145x10
wide ez preacher curls---------------------60x12, 60x10
close ez slow/negative curls----------------50x10, 50x10, 40x10 extra slow
rope(changed workout)--------------------40x15, 40x10, 40x8
15 bike
i took my cardio day off, my legs were sore from leg day and back still not feeling great. i kept track of my diet today and tried to keep my calories in check, especially since i skipped cardio.

protein bar----------------300
nutrigrain baR-------------120
steak, carrots, corn-------500
chocolate-----------------120
4eggs whites, bananas-----300
ill probably snack before bed, i did good today
total----------------------<1350 (probably eat a protein bar for +300)

NEW CYCLE PLAN:
SD 5mg and hdrol 25mg and p-plex 5mg combo----1/1/1/1
SD 15mg and hdrol 25mg combo------------------1/1/1/1
Dbol 12.5mg-------------------------------------0/0/0/0/2/2
Nolvadex 20mg----------------------------------0/0/0/0/1/1
Epistane 10mg-----------------------------------0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/4
Oxyguno 7.5mg----------------------------------0/0/0/0/0/0/2/2/3/3
Liv52-------------------------------------------1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1

NEW PCT:
daa@3g-----01/01/01/01
nolva--------20/20/20/20
clomid-----100/100/50/50
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Looking interesting mate. The only thing I would question is why use the nolva and epistane together? Couldn't you run the epistane and dbol together in that 2 week dbol usage? The so called anti estro from the epi I would hope may migate some of the aromatisation from the dbol. That said its only 2 weeks of dbol.
 
Just Dbol and nolva for the two weeks, im gonna run the epi with the oxyguno for 4 weeks after the break. Using the Dbol to bridge through a two week pct, I feel I need after the 4 weeks of SD.
 
I have adex on hand, think I should run .5 ED for the two weeks of Dbol?
 
Srt4Muscle said:
I have adex on hand, think I should run .5 ED for the two weeks of Dbol?
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whoops my bad I see you're not running the epi and nolva together. Damn I'm seeing things sorry.

Is that in week four your going to add the dbol in with the SD or week three? It looks like week four. Anyways now I'm looking at your plan properly, to me it looks like a good bridge. Its only two weeks of dbol, depending how you react to the estro sides and how quickly they present themselves, I dont see why not just add in the AI and save the nolva for later again. That said I don't massively see a problem with using the nolva during the bridge. Its upto you. Of the top of my head it look like you have it all well planned, it's definately better that using the dbol during PCT in my opinion.
 
SkItZoId said:
whoops my bad I see you're not running the epi and nolva together. Damn I'm seeing things sorry.

Is that in week four your going to add the dbol in with the SD or week three? It looks like week four. Anyways now I'm looking at your plan properly, to me it looks like a good bridge. Its only two weeks of dbol, depending how you react to the estro sides and how quickly they present themselves, I dont see why not just add in the AI and save the nolva for later again. That said I don't massively see a problem with using the nolva during the bridge. Its upto you. Of the top of my head it look like you have it all well planned, it's definately better that using the dbol during PCT in my opinion.
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yeah your eyes are playing tricks on you lol dbol weeks 5-6, with nolva and i can add the adex to keep aromitization down and estrogen as low as possible. first 4 weeks were sd/hdrol...then 5-6 dbol/nolva/adex bridge....to 4 weeks epi/oxyguno, i should be dry and cut as ever by then!!!
 
well it seems like i need a day off every 4th day right now, body is stressed a little from minor injuries. but all and all i feel great, its good to take days off and not overtrain. tried to step it up on day 23, last week of SD!!! im a little curious about my weight, losing BF and holding weight was pretty much the goal. Im hoping in the next 6 weeks ill be running out of fat and maybe gain some pounds on the scale. To me im slim as ever, my realistic opinion is around 9.5% BF.

day 23 172.9
ran for 15 on the treadmill-my calfs are sore as **** from all the running and legs last week, ill have to do more bike i guess
incline db warm up------50x12
flat db-----------------80x12, 80x8, 75x7 solid increase, i really pushed it
incline db--------------55x13, 55x11, 55x10 started at 55 instead of 60 because of the increase on flat db. surprised myself still
db flys-----------------30x11, 30x8, 30x4+25x4
db military-------------40x8, 40x7, 40x6
db lateral seated-------20x12, 20x10, 20x8
incline rear db flys------25x12, 25x12, 25x12
arnold press------------30x7, i was pretty much done, i have been doing some rotor cuff workouts inbetween sets too

im gonna have to see how light deadlifts feel. i dont think ill be going over 155 for a while now. i need to find another lift i think???

also im going to edit my first post to reflect cycle changes as of now...also ive been experimenting with the ECA stack for a couple days on and off. i had problems with cramps and recently found 4-5g of taurine to be the end all solution. Im waiting on a kilo of tauine to arrive hopefully tomorrow so i can start to really incorporate the stack into my routine. ive also ordered some yomhimbine, i have not tried the ECY stack yet and will have to see how my body reacts to that. i handle stims very well, more to come once my orders come in...
 
this is basically what i ate today, i try and be honest...
protein bar 300
shredded chicken 400
5oz chicken, 2 piece corn 400
apple, chocolate 250
shake, nutribar, 250
wheat, honey, nuts 200

i feel like my calories are pretty low. i dont know how clean it all is considered especially since i always seem to squeeze in some chocolate lol. but i eat plain chicken literally nothing on it, veggies, fruit, nuts, and whole grain bread, plus protein bars or protein shakes. IMO pretty damn clean. i probably need to step my cardio up. when i work out harder i feel like my body is in starvation mode. i really feel like im stalling, as far as fat goes. i can put more effort into my diet, hopefully when i start my eca stack my hungry will be more controlled. maybe im getting impatient...IDK
 
Srt4Muscle said:
this is basically what i ate today, i try and be honest...
protein bar 300
shredded chicken 400
5oz chicken, 2 piece corn 400
apple, chocolate 250
shake, nutribar, 250
wheat, honey, nuts 200

i feel like my calories are pretty low. i dont know how clean it all is considered especially since i always seem to squeeze in some chocolate lol. but i eat plain chicken literally nothing on it, veggies, fruit, nuts, and whole grain bread, plus protein bars or protein shakes. IMO pretty damn clean. i probably need to step my cardio up. when i work out harder i feel like my body is in starvation mode. i really feel like im stalling, as far as fat goes. i can put more effort into my diet, hopefully when i start my eca stack my hungry will be more controlled. maybe im getting impatient...IDK
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Are you finding your cardio harder than normal with using orals. Some people do. I've heaard they can thicken your blood. The old ECA is pretty powerful, I tried it a few years back, it did effect my blood presure so be careful mate.

The diet looks ok, do you think you are getting enough protein?
 
SkItZoId said:
Are you finding your cardio harder than normal with using orals. Some people do. I've heaard they can thicken your blood. The old ECA is pretty powerful, I tried it a few years back, it did effect my blood presure so be careful mate.

The diet looks ok, do you think you are getting enough protein?
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I dont think cardio has gotten any more hard, sometimes because of sore legs/calfs running hurts. as far as thicker blood, i dont know what that would actually affect, breathing has gotten easier for me and running too since my legs have gotten stronger.

i do think i have over trained a bit right now, whole body that is. not on a daily workout basis, but i do not think im give enough time to fully recover between workout days. example my chest is still sore when i get to chest day, and legs are killing my cardio throughout the week. also my overall energy levels have fallen...

ive tried the ECA stack about 4 days last week and did great as long as i had 5g of taurine. also im already supplementing hawthorneberry for BP, since a couple headaches in the beginning of cycle. i have yohimbine and taurine on the way in bulk, im hoping the ECY stack will stop my hungry problems.

halfway through my cycle i went from days to nights at work, so i also went from working out at night to in the morning. it messed up my whole schedule for eating. at night i try not to eat 3 hours before bed at all but honestly i usually fail and end up eating a nutrigrain bar and/or 1/4 cup of peanuts. if i broke down time for the last day i logged food it looked like this..
1100:protein bar 300-at wake up right before gym
1400:shredded chicken 400-after workout
1730:5oz chicken, 2 piece corn 400-lunch
2000:apple, chocolate 250-bad snacks
2300:shake, nutribar, 250-dinner
0030:wheat, honey, nuts 200-snacks before bed
bedtime about 0230

no i dont think im getting enough protein, i dont think im eating enough food at all. im so hungry all the time, it drives me crazy. ive been eating like a cow trying to get big for 10 years, well i got what i wanted and got a big gut lol. well not a huge gut but this little bit of fat is stubborn. i have a fast metabolism, it kills me not to eat. i think i lose brain function sometimes, i get so irritable, and tired and cant wake up after 8 hours of sleep. i will be doing more research this week about proper dieting techniques, like carb cycling or something. any help would be appreciated
 
mattrag said:
I donno how I missed this. But subbed in. Good luck! Cutting on mdrol does suck... Lol.
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yep found out the hard way, lathargy+hungry=no bueno!!! strength and weight keep good for low calories, but im struggling right now. thanks for tuning in, its no chat board in here, more like a ghost town...lol
 
Srt4Muscle said:
yep found out the hard way, lathargy+hungry=no bueno!!! strength and weight keep good for low calories, but im struggling right now. thanks for tuning in, its no chat board in here, more like a ghost town...lol
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Its cool. How you handling the lethargy? I am too afraid to check my blood pressure out at work because all the Japanese teachers are always so interested in everything I do. If I read high I KNOW they are going to be after me on a lot. Especially, if I am DANGEROUSLY high lol.

I started to slowly add back in caffeine. Taking it out was dumb as that CAUSED my headaches which i thought were from high bp.... lol.
 
mattrag said:
Its cool. How you handling the lethargy? I am too afraid to check my blood pressure out at work because all the Japanese teachers are always so interested in everything I do. If I read high I KNOW they are going to be after me on a lot. Especially, if I am DANGEROUSLY high lol.

I started to slowly add back in caffeine. Taking it out was dumb as that CAUSED my headaches which i thought were from high bp.... lol.
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well as of this moment i feel great, im taking 2 days off in a row before my last 5 days of SD. figure ill push my hardest and record my end of SD numbers to compare to the end of cycle/pct numbers. lathargy has been hit or miss, i been running caffeine in the gym and during the last week with my eca stack last week. i do fine all day, the morning when i have to get up early to hit the gym is when i struggle the most. but i dont know if that was just my body being overtrained or what. hawthorneberry keeps my BP down, i got headaches my first week too. if i can manage to stop getting injured, ill be much happier lol.

heres a new workout i built a minute ago, some feedback would be cool. workouts is probably the place where im least knowledgeable...i guess im moving more toward a 5x5, strength/dont hurt myself workout lol i think 5 day split is better than 4 for me, more time between muscle groups.

5 day and 1or2 off days (OP is optional)
1. chest/abs
2. back
3. shoulders/abs
4. bis/tris
5. legs/abs

1. CHEST
warm up - db flys - 2x12
incline db - 4x5
hanging dips - 4x8
OP cable internal rotation - 2x12
OP cable external rotation - 2x12
smith machine decline - 4x5
smith machine flat - drop set
ABS
laying leg lifts 3x50
laying leg side to side - 3x25

2. BACK
warm up - wide grip pull ups 5x5
high row - 5x5
low row - 3x12
lat pull machine - 5x5
smith machine shrugs front - 2x12
smith machine shrugs back - 2x12
smith machine deadlift - 5x5
OP smith machine row - burnout

3. SHOULDERS
warm up - db shrugs - 2x12
db foward raises - 3x12
seated lateral raises - 3x12
military db - 5x5
rear delt fly - 3x12
OP upright rows - 3x12
OP behind neck barbell - burnout
ABS
hangin leg lifts - 3x25
crunch machine 3x25

4. BI'S
warm up - close grip chin ups - 2x12
standing barbell curls - 4x8
db hammer curls - 4x8
concentration curls - 4x5
OP incline bench curls - dropset
TRI'S
warm up - push downs 2x12
arm cable kick back - 4x8
close bench - 4x8
weighted bench dip - 4x5
OP rope - dropset

5. LEGS
warm up - seated calf raises 3x12
leg press - 5x5
leg curls - 3x12
leg extensions - 3x12
squats - 5x5
front squat - burnout
OP thigh abduction - 2x12
OP thigh adduction - 2x12
ABS
crunches 3x50
planks - 3x1min
 
Hey man-

I'm following. You are getting some traffic. Keep it up.

If I were you I would increase my cals a bit and/or decrease the volume of your workouts. In my experience, eating that few cals dosen't lead to any better results and just drives you crazy. You will be happier if you get to eat a bit more.
 
adnscmplx said:
Hey man-

I'm following. You are getting some traffic. Keep it up.

If I were you I would increase my cals a bit and/or decrease the volume of your workouts. In my experience, eating that few cals dosen't lead to any better results and just drives you crazy. You will be happier if you get to eat a bit more.
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good advice, i upped my caloried intake for the last 4 days now, i was trying to take 2 consecutive days off to heal up and plan a new workout. i been draggin myself to the gym and thats no fun. so i was gonna go back today but i worked 12 hours and the gym closed, lol if it was still open i was going. i cant wait to get back, new workout will be fun.

i was using high reps to stay away from injury lol alot of good thats done!! so my new workout is low reps and some 5x5's in there, and when i say 5x5 i mean 5 reps to failure. not low 5x5 to a higher 5x5, mine should be heaviest 5x5 and ill have to go lower each set.

eating more felt good hopefully my body will be in shock and i can start cutting diet again next week. i bet i gainned 5lbs in 3 days when i go back tomorrow, lol maybe not idk...

once my ecy stack gets here ill put my hungry to rest and really get this last 2 or 3 % of BF off.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about it. You could probably go a bit higher and be more compliant because you are sane and your results would not slow. One cheat can add up to a ****load of cals.

I am on week 2 of sd and have gained 11 lbs with recomp/slow cut cals. It is almost certainly all glycogen and water but still not exactly what I want to see. To be expected with sd though.
 
so i need to re attack my diet plan then, honestly i need more knowledge and dont have enough time in the day. im reworking my workout in a different thread i started. right now ive got my back workout complete and im very happy with how it turned out. tomorrow will be shoulders only. i gained some weight in the last couple days, nothing really to worry about, just need to get a plan in place for the next 6 weeks as soon as possible. my cardio is suffering from shin splints, plus longer workouts is leaving less time to fit it in. im going to back off on cardio for the next two weeks i think? this is my first cut attemp and im a little in over my head at the moment. so on the day 27, one more day of SD...

day 27 176.1lbs after workout 175.1 @ 9.2% BF/25.1 BMI (again probably not a accurate measurement)
NEW WORKOUT - turner out great
wide pull ups
5, 5, 5, 4, 4
high row - tried 130 on set 3 and could only get 3
120x5, 120x5, 120x5, 120x5, 120x5
low row
70x12, 70x12, 70x10-lost form
isolat pulldown one arm
80x5, 90x5, 95x4, 90x5, 90x5
hammerstrength pullover - really light, used kinda like a stretch
90x12, 90x12, 90x12
snatch grip bb shrugs - this grip was hard to hold but i could really feel it in my whole back
175x10, 195x10, 205x10, 205x10, 205x10
T bar rows - was careful with my back, i enjoyed this lift. will start heavier next week
45x10, 70x10, 80x6, 90x5, 105x5
weighted hyperextensions
3 sets 25lbx12

very happy with this workout, took extra time to find correct weights. it really targeted every part of my back the way i wanted.

i bought a new scale today and will check my BF and what ever else this cool scale does later tonight haha. hopefully it will give a accurate reading and im not fatter than i think!!! i got tired of the handheld thing at the gym...

any recommendations on calorie intake and cardio would be appreciated. i have a fast metobolism and about a 32 in waist, i used to be a really skinny build, i dont know what i need to do...if i need to do a hour of cardio a day ill do it, i know theres no exact answer here but i need some direction i think. i can start a new thread i guess?
 
Nice workout. Looks more strength based? I like it. Cardio plus a strength retention program usually equals a good recomp/cut.
Id post a new thread. Say, list your current diet (or roughly your diet) and toss it out there. My metabolism SUX so I am not one to give good responses. On my current Mdrol run I have to dip below 1800 cals to even see small number changes on the scale (and I weight about 5-10lbs over 200...).

Good luck though!
 
Just so everyone knows that im not scarred to admit when im a idiot, my new scale says im at 13.5%BF which I believe is accurate. So yeah im working out my diet for the next 6 weeks and I will not be cheating. I have cheated myself too long!

Note that I have been eating fairly heavy for about 4-5 days now and I gained 4lbs. I will reattach my diet after final review tomorrow and finish out this last 6 weeks strong. God damn SD was impossible not to eat lol

Also I will re adjust my first post to reflect current BF and goal, which will now be less than 9%
 
hey, fatty back here lol got my new diet ready for tomorrow check it out...
0800 protein bar------------------------------300
1000 protein drink, oatmeal----------------260
1230 protein drink, nutrigrain bar-----------250
1500 2 can tuna, 0cal mayo/relish----------210
1730 6oz chicken breast, 1 cup veggies-----250
2000 6oz chicken breast, apple-------------220
2300 4 egg whites, 1 cup veggies------------310
still a big intake, 1800cal, but im gonna be realistic. i have a long day tomorrow, working days and switching to swings on tuesday again. so ill be up all day monday and ill need more calories. i have 4 protein bars left and will use them if i have to during this week. then ill reduce down to 1600 or 1500 next week. i cheated like a mofo this weekend cause i knew this was coming, i set and ready to no cheat myself. plus no ore SD woohoo hopefully the latargy will be gone with it.

new shoulder workout, oh man was it good. i had a blast and felt really strong, although from my new back workout i was already sore in some areas which made the latter part of the workouts pretty painful :) it was fun, serious lol check it out...

day 28 174.2 13.2%BF on scale
arnolds
35x12, 40x7, 35x9
standing military barbell
75x7easy, 95x7, 105x5, 100x6
rear delt-elbows straight, with proper technique this way different than ive been doing
10x15, 10x15, 10x15
scaptions-new workout to me, hope i did it right, felt good
5x20, 10x20
bent over cable extensions-these were so great ripped my shoulders apart
10x8, 5x15
standing cable extensions-felt these were more effective then bent over, burnout like crazy
5x14, 5x13
external rotations-10 was all i could do, shoulder were on fire since arnold press
5x10, 5x10
----tried one set of face pulls and did not like it at all, dropped from workout plan
leaning incline db lateral raise-nice slow movement to finish the day
10x12, 10x12
hangin leg lifts
straight 25, 15, 10, knees 25, 21
ab machine
50x30, 50x30

start 25mg dbol tomorrow too, kinda excited dbol is a great compound. just makes you feel good, i know another bulking compound lol thanks for the support so far. this is my first log and real attemp at cutting, even though ive failed so far, i will be successful in the end. stay tuned!!!
 
its hard to cut man. I feel ya!

Im on week 2 of Mdrol (week 3 starts tomorrow)... Oddly the only thing i have noticed is libido drop, ball shrinkage, and weight gain. Nothing else... no lethargy, my BP was actually lower today, and interestingly I dont feel angry, or aggressive... I feel more " at ease"? I donno its like im more in control of myself. haha. Completely opposite of what i thought would happen. 4 more weeks @10mgs though! haha

Make any good gains on your sdrol 3 weeks? Remarkable?
 
preview of tomorrow bi and tri day

close grip chin ups x12
push downs 2x12
standing barbell curls 4x8
close grip bench 4x8
db hammer curls 4x8
weighted bench dips 4x8
concentration curls 4x8
cable kick backs 4x8
cable straight bar dropset
rope dropset
 
progress pictures at day 28 and before I actually stick to a clean diet : ), with 6 more weeks to go I have plenty of time but I really need to stay focused!

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God no wonder I have a jacked up l3/l4 look at my spine and lower back muscles lol
 
Srt4Muscle said:
God no wonder I have a jacked up l3/l4 look at my spine and lower back muscles lol
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You have spinal injuries? Man that rough. You get those checked out by a doc?
 
broke my pelvis when i was 18 in a car wreck, and backs been weak ever since. i do pretty heavy maintenance at work and started having back problems about 3 years ago. i have a herniated disk, l3/l4 or a disk buldge they say. used to send shoot pain down my legs and gives me problems every now and then. i also got rear ended in march and have had severe whiplash for the last 6 months, neck cramps and headaches. trying to be as carefull as i can, pulled my neck doing preacher curls acouple weeks ago and pulled my back last week doing dead lifts. i put alot of thought into my new workouts and really watch how i do each lift. if i struggle too much ill stop before i strain something. nothing really the docs can do or either one. i been to physical therapy a couple times and my wifes a massage therapist, so thats nice when im home. just life brother gotta push on through...lol
 
mattrag said:
its hard to cut man. I feel ya!

Im on week 2 of Mdrol (week 3 starts tomorrow)... Oddly the only thing i have noticed is libido drop, ball shrinkage, and weight gain. Nothing else... no lethargy, my BP was actually lower today, and interestingly I dont feel angry, or aggressive... I feel more " at ease"? I donno its like im more in control of myself. haha. Completely opposite of what i thought would happen. 4 more weeks @10mgs though! haha

Make any good gains on your sdrol 3 weeks? Remarkable?
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sorry i didnt even see this post, my libido was shot after week 2, lathargy week 2 on, ball shrunk from week 2 on also, i take hawthorneberry religiously so no BP issues....no anger here either or aggression. this last week i got small back pumps at the gym, that was no fun, takes your breath away lol.

i had great strength increased but my calories were too low for real weight increase. i managed to maintain weight and was happy with that for my weight loss goal. you can look back at some of my lifts and see some increases. i felt strongest this week but took alot of time off due to injury and much needed recovery time.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
sorry i didnt even see this post, my libido was shot after week 2, lathargy week 2 on, ball shrunk from week 2 on also, i take hawthorneberry religiously so no BP issues....no anger here either or aggression. this last week i got small back pumps at the gym, that was no fun, takes your breath away lol.

i had great strength increased but my calories were too low for real weight increase. i managed to maintain weight and was happy with that for my weight loss goal. you can look back at some of my lifts and see some increases. i felt strongest this week but took alot of time off due to injury and much needed recovery time.
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Do you feel you recomped a bit? or just kept the same body comp and experienced strength gains? Im getting mean strength (well considering Im lifting pretty heavy), and maybe some carb forgiveness? lol. I usually eat around 50g carbs a day, and now I allow myself to refeed once every 3 days. Not looking that bad... but not much better.
 
Sorry what does recomp mean exactly?

I think all my muscles have grown significantly, ill measure tomorrow I have pre cycle measurements too. My arms feel and look huge.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
Sorry what does recomp mean exactly?

I think all my muscles have grown significantly, ill measure tomorrow I have pre cycle measurements too. My arms feel and look huge.
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basically gaining muscle and losing fat but staying at the same weight.
 
Lol k yes I do feel like that. Honestly SD is not the compound for a recomp though I would like to say I could have done better but I tried pretty hard to keep my diet in check and maintain solid workouts. It was so damn difficult, I guess im happy with the way it has been going but I think with a different plan and cycle I could have done much better.
 
Yea. I'm cutting on it now. Which is probably not the best idea. Andro hard plus mdrol at 10mgs for 6 weeks. Hahaha.
 
Yeah I pop in your thread every now and then gotta get through all the bull**** in there lol but your logs coming along I just got to figure out a cure to my diet problem hopefully I figure it out soon.
 
bring on the dbol!!! first shout out to my seahawks for destroying da bears woot woot i had early class today so i was on 4 hours of sleep at the gym today. still felt great, biggest pump yet today. i been wearing long sleeve shirts at the gym for about a month and a half, i was getting a ton of looks today in short sleeve :) felt strong and looked jacked, i think ill go back to long sleeve, cause im HUGE!!! j/p no but serious! measurements below...

day 29 178.2 i literally ate a walked straight to the gym
close grip pull ups, palms in
8, 6
push downs
60x20 easy, 60x10 not so easy
straight bar curls
79x9, 79x8, 69x8, 69x6
close bench
155x10easy, 175x8, 185x5, 165x7
hammer curls
35x8, 30x8, 30x8, 30x8
weighted bench dips
25x10easy, 50x10, 50x10, 50x8
concentration curls
30x10, 30x8, 30x7, 25x7
cable kick backs-just got to say this was the best workout
17.5x10, 17.5x8, 17.5x6, 12.5x8

planned on one dropset for bi/tri to finish it off, it was not necessary. another successful new workout, my new routine is pretty intense. well have to see how much time i need to take off inbetween weeks to recover. i can tell im ripping my muscles to shreds.

took some measurements today, i did have a good pump in my arms and my precycle measurements were prior to workout. but none the less here they are, taken to closest 1/8 of a inch...gotta be happy with these!!!!

30 days precycle-taken prior to workout
waist flexed at button-------32
chest -----------flexed-------40.75-----not-----39.5
arm-------------flexed-------15.4------not-----14.41
around shoulders-----------------------not-----49
thigh------------flexed-------20
forearm---------flexed-------11.5
calf--------------flexed-------14.17

day 29-take post bi/tri day
waist flexed at button-------32
chest -----------flexed-------43-----not-----41.5
arm-------------flexed-------16-----not-----15.17
around shoulders--------------------not-----49.67
thigh------------flexed-------21
forearm---------flexed-------13
calf--------------flexed-------14.5

diet today, i havent been to hungry. no SD woo hoo
0730 protein bar
0930 protein shake
1200 est. 10oz skinless/boneless chicken breast/.5 cup brocoli/.5 cup carrots
1500 protein drink
nap from 1600-1800
2000 2 cans of tuna w/low carb o fat mayo/relish
2400 2 turkey slices/2 egg white/small bananna
>1650

i think i should keep my calories up around 1800 at least for the first week. i dont know how many carbs are in chicken and protein shakes, the protein bar has alot 35g, still pretty much no carbs today. i would say it was a success, my nap helped a bit i think lol
 
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day 30
squats
135x5, 175x5, 185x5, changed form to past parrelle 135x10, 145x9
glute machine
120x10, 120x10, 130x10
hip abduction
75x12, 75x12, 85x12
iso knee leg curl
45x12, 45x12, 55x13,
db lunges
30x12, 30x10, 30x8
calf raises
90x15, 90x15, 90x15

diet was good this day
protein bar
protein shake
1 tuna can
protein shake
4 small ribs/caloflower
apple/lean turkey piece
6 egg whites/milk

now to report on my fail today, i relapsed. free candy at work got me, once i have one peice im done, the taste kills me and i aint a bunch. im a sugar fein, i feel like i need it like drugs i swear. i really lost control, not happy about it. so ill restart tomorrow and try again, i can make it 2.5 days good but then i start to lose it. IDK...if my damn taurine would show up i could run my ECY stack and hopefully it would help me.

i took day 31 and 32 off, my new workout is killer. my shoulders and back were tore up and my legs were so sore from lunges and glute machine. so new workout week and starting over with diet, gotta keep it up...stay motivated...body and mind strong...**** holidays dont help!!! lmao

im so mad i could be probably 15lbs bigger right now if i was bulking, i can bulk like a champ. stupid cut, ill figure it out sooner or later
 
NOTE: side effects

mood has been unaffected as far as i can tell

i did notice about a week ago my nips were hard all the time, no biggie. but this week ive noticed they have become dry, and when i lotioned them i had a very very slight, sting to it. ??? IDK

other than the lathargy and hunger from SD i been good, i have a feeling this 2 week clomid run is gonna make my chest break out. usually happens during PCT with all the hormone changes. time will tell...
 
Don't beat yourself up over messing up with the candy. It happens. Sometimes it is worth it. If you are not about to compete for Mr. Olyimpia, you should be able to throw down a huge meal every now and then. I will occasionally tear up giant bowls of oatmeal, boxes of cereal, etc...

I feel you on SD not being great for recomp or cut. I was so f-ing hungry last night but had to hold off. It would be sweet to run on a bulk.
 
adnscmplx said:
Don't beat yourself up over messing up with the candy. It happens. Sometimes it is worth it. If you are not about to compete for Mr. Olyimpia, you should be able to throw down a huge meal every now and then. I will occasionally tear up giant bowls of oatmeal, boxes of cereal, etc...

I feel you on SD not being great for recomp or cut. I was so f-ing hungry last night but had to hold off. It would be sweet to run on a bulk.
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well this is my first run a cutting so i expected to be trying and failing, learning what i can do and cant do, what works and doesnt...but **** bro SD on my first cut was a huge mistake, hunger and lathargy all mofo day!!!

SD is a great bulker, im sure if my calories were at 3000+ i would have gained 15-18lbs no problem already. these guys really got to me with all that "banned" talk. i try not to get hyped over rumors, think i got burned on the boladrol kick, but SD going away is not cool, broke down and ordered 5 bottles last night. i still have a bottle here too lol better safe than sorry i my book, at least on this one.
 
Yea. I'm cutting on sdrol as well. Not so good lol.

I also bought 4 bottles of sdrol a couple weeks back lol. Hunger is there for sure. Oddly I'm not getting any lethargy.
 
mattrag said:
Yea. I'm cutting on sdrol as well. Not so good lol.

I also bought 4 bottles of sdrol a couple weeks back lol. Hunger is there for sure. Oddly I'm not getting any lethargy.
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yeah there are some pretty good deals out right now, cant beat 90 10mg caps for 19.99. at that price no reason not to stock up. and later if i dont want them they could be worth double easy, who knows lol

lathargy got me week 3 i think, well IDK i just had a hard time getting out of bed the last two weeks. but i my calorie intake was way low too and i was lifting so hard i think my body just needed a break. after i took 3 days off i was GTG.
 
took 2 days off, well needed. think i gained some weight last week when i ate regular for a couple days, it seems like it stuck too. ill take it for now, im feeling strong as ever at the gym right now. i can see water retension in my face from the dbol. doesnt bother me i know it will fall off after i start the EPI. im full circle now on my new routine. def need 2 days rest with this new workout...

day 33 177lbs

flat db
85x6, 85x7, 90x5, 85x3, 85x2
flat db fly
20x12, 20x12
incline db
65x6, 70x5, 65x6, 65x5, 65x4
incline db flys
15x12, 15x12
decline barbell
135x5, 135x4 complete muscle failure
hanging dips body weight
7, 8, 10, 7, 6

i did abs at the end too, ill try and explain the workouts i tried. i will being doing these from now on, on ab days.

1min plank by 1min rest for 5 sets
had a friend hold my feet while i sat on a knee level box and leaned back past parrelle for sit ups. 2 sets of 25
1min holds arms straight out shoulder high, holding cable with both hands, did 1min each side x 2 sets
 
Ha. I picked up 2 bottles. I may pick up some more after new years...

I thought about stopping after 3 weeks but I will be at my parents for most of week 4 (holidays) so it will be a good time to be on and eat a bunch of food.
 
so after a full circle trying a new workout...this is what ive come up with. just posting it cause im bored lol

chest
10min run
flat db
flat db fly
incline db
incline/decline db flys
hanging dips body weight
ab workout

back
wide pull ups
high row
isolat pulldown one arm
snatch grip bb shrugs
T bar rows
weighted hyperextensions
30min cardio

shoulders
10min run
arnolds
standing military barbell
rear delt
bent over cable extensions
standing cable extensions
external rotations
leaning incline db lateral raise
ab workout

bi/tri
close grip pull ups, palms in
push downs
straight bar curls
close bench
hammer curls
weighted bench dips
concentration curls
cable kick backs
30min cardio

legs
10min run
squats
glute machine
hip abduction
iso knee leg curl
db lunges
good mornings
ab workout

day off - rest
day off - 1hr cardio only
 
forgot to log back day

day 34 175lbs
wide pull ups
7, 6, 5, 3, 2
high row
120x10, 130x6, 130x6, 130x4, 120x8
low row
70x12, 70x12, 70x10-lost form again, i was tired from moving up on high row
isolat pulldown one arm
70x7, 90x6, 90x5, 85x5, 80x5
snatch grip bb shrugs - forgot my wraps, i did palms in, then 2 sets one in one out, then 2 sets both out
185x10, 185x8, 185x8,135x20, 135x20
T bar rows - my back was so pumped it was hard to get the bar to my chest haha
90x6, 80x8, 80x8, 80x7, 80x6
weighted hyperextensions
25x12, 25x9, 25x7, body weight hold for 30sec
 
today was my first day trying to stay under 50g of carbs. still undecided on how many calories im gonna shoot for, right now i'd say my BMR which is 1825. im way under today though which is ok, i ate when i was hungry pretty much. pushed through a little but nothing too crazy.
need to get my fats way up tomorrow...

1330 wake up
1430 gym
1700 lunch-----6oz chicken breast
---------------1 cup broccoli
1850 snack----2 scoops protein
2100 snack----6oz chicken breast
2230 dinner----2 egg omelet/ham/onion/peppers
---------------4 egg whites
0130 bed time

day 35 176.6
arnolds
40x11, 35x10, 35x8
bent over cable extensions-these were so great ripped my shoulders apart
10x11, 10x8
standing cable extensions-felt these were more effective then bent over, burnout like crazy
10x10, 10x8 dropset 5x6
standing military barbell
95x9, 105x5, 100x6, 100x4, 95x4
rear delt-elbows straight, with proper technique this way different than ive been doing
10x15, 10x15, 10x8 dropset 5x8
incline db lateral raise
15x12, 15x9
external rotations
5x12, 5x12, 5x12

abs
bench sit ups
40, 20, 15
laying leg lifts
25, 19
 
i moved this week so i have to back date a bit, diet is going on, i have not cheated. youll see by my weight, ive also learned alot more about the keto diet. this last week i just cut out carbs the best i could probably lower than 50 a day still. ate alot of meat, im still backed up lol. energy was pretty bad for the first 3 days getting into ketosis and my gym energy has got me drained. i got sick on arm day lmao just no carbs!!!

day 36 173.8
close grip pull ups, palms in
12, 6
push downs
70x15, 65x13
straight bar curls
85x9, 85x7, 80x7, 75x6
close bench
185x8, 185x6, 175x6, 175x5
hammer curls - heres where i got sick, funny i lifted a ton lol
40x11, 40x8, 35x6, 35x7
weighted bench dips - i was killing it, i might try a 100lb barbell next time
50x20, 75x20, 75x15
concentration curls
30x11, 30x8, 30x5, 25x8
cable kick backs
17.5x11, 17.5x8, 12.5x8, 12.5x6

that was day 2 of keto, no energy at all but somehow found some good strength. i was very happy and very tired lol.
 
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