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Dude c'mon man no disrespect but relax. If you are that worried about it EAT on Christmas Eve then put 2 cups of epson salt in a hot bath, as hot as you can stand it as a matter of fact get in the water as it is filling up and let it get hotter and hotter while you are in it so you can acclimate to it. Once it is full submerge yourself in it even the top of your head just your face out. Stay in for 10-15 minutes draining a little then adding more hot if it cools down then get out and pat yourself dry then rub green rubbing alcohol over your body, don't drink anything else and go to bed you will wake up 5 lbs lighter and have absolutely NO WATER under your skin. Don't believe me do a carb up before hand and try it tell me if you are dry and ripped the next day. The salt changes the density of the water so that it actually pulls the water out of your skin, the heat opens the pores and also causes massive sweating. However the process if not over done does not pull water from the muscle or organss like an extended stay in a sauna would.


makes sense i guess. i have never heard of this technique. but what you are describing is drawing the water out of the skin because of osmotic pressure due to the concentation gradient between the highyl ionic salt solution in the bathtub and the more dilute water that resides in your skin. to put it in simple terms the salt bath will "suck" the water out of your skin.
 
Damn for real??

I admittedly do have body dysmporphia. I was anorexic at 18- 5 years ago- i got down to 94 lbs N landed in icu...

Now I want to be big AND ripped all at once.. I try to periodize but Im always afraid to get "too big".. I am definitely tightly spun n obsessive to the point where quality of life is suffering :/ I wish I could just let it go for a week, but it's not that easy.. I can't eat and drink alcohol in the sane day, I'll get fat, awful metab... Also it makes me physically ill to mix food n alcohol


well that sux.

personally i stopped caring about how i looked for the most part years ago. as long as i look good. what stresses me out is the state of my brain. i want to be sharp and to feel good. i feel the biggest benefit of my workout is what it does for my head and my confidence. Actual measurements of my body arent really that important anymore.

and energy. i want to have alot of mental energy. so i can get **** done
 
oh thats so hot
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHA, too funny, I too suffer from the body dysmorphic disorder. My daughter calls it biggorexia, I never feel like I am very big or very cut. The odd thing is when I look in the mirror, I look ok, not too bad but soft and not all that great, yet when I see a photo I do look decent. I look totally different to myself in the mirror than in a photo....wonder what the head shrinkers would have to say about that" That being said I am not afraid to tie on the feed bag. Look at my log the week my daughter was here and you can see that. On Thanksgiving I fully intend to have one serving of every dessert and at my folks that will be ten or twelve servings of pies and cakes. The next day is legs I will have a killer workout.
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well that sux.

personally i stopped caring about how i looked for the most part years ago. as long as i look good. what stresses me out is the state of my brain. i want to be sharp and to feel good. i feel the biggest benefit of my workout is what it does for my head and my confidence. Actual measurements of my body arent really that important anymore.

and energy. i want to have alot of mental energy. so i can get **** done

I agree I am more concerned over my head as of late, I've not been getting enough sleep and at work have been fuzzy, then I started using Clearshot as a pre work supplement and all I can say is wow! I am focused and my productivity is way up, though I find my job boring and uninteresting ....my day job that is I am Type A and very competitive in the work place, I like to get sh!t done too!
 
I think self criticism and being hard on yourself is all part of the bbuilding game (depending on ones own standards which vary greatly and from realistic very critical to very deluded) is a good thing for physical achievement, for me personally as it makes me want to strive to always be better to improve to keep standards high you have to always know you can be a bit better to keep making improvements and not to settle for what seems to be good enough. But it can all take its toll on the mind.
A person with low standards in physique building will settle for second best and never really give it there all and sacrifice with what i takes to reach a higher standard but alwasy think they are already there.
from a physique point of view No1 is ever good enough that they cannot improve in some minor or major way.
just my pennys worth.

Go Urso!
 
Invalid Link Removed Dude c'mon man no disrespect but relax. If you are that worried about it EAT on Christmas Eve then put 2 cups of epson salt in a hot bath, as hot as you can stand it as a matter of fact get in the water as it is filling up and let it get hotter and hotter while you are in it so you can acclimate to it. Once it is full submerge yourself in it even the top of your head just your face out. Stay in for 10-15 minutes draining a little then adding more hot if it cools down then get out and pat yourself dry then rub green rubbing alcohol over your body, don't drink anything else and go to bed you will wake up 5 lbs lighter and have absolutely NO WATER under your skin. Don't believe me do a carb up before hand and try it tell me if you are dry and ripped the next day. The salt changes the density of the water so that it actually pulls the water out of your skin, the heat opens the pores and also causes massive sweating. However the process if not over done does not pull water from the muscle or organss like an extended stay in a sauna would.
I am soooo gonna try this come pool/beach season :sgrin:
 
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Seems possible Ursobolic could help on both counts Pat, I haven't seen this study posted up yet





Ursolic acid ameliorates cognition deficits and attenuates oxidative damage in the brain of senescent mice induced by d-galactose
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Received 11 June 2007; Accepted 2 July 2007. Available online 10 July 2007.


[h=3]Abstract[/h]Ursolic acid (UA), a pentracyclic triterpene, is reported to have an antioxidant activity. Here we assessed the protective effect of UA against the d-galactose (d-gal)-induced neurotoxicity. We found that UA markedly reversed the d-gal induced learning and memory impairment by behavioral tests. The following antioxidant defense enzymes were measured: superoxide dismutases (SOD), catalase (CAT), glutathione peroxidase (GPx) and glutathione reductase (GR). The content of the lipid peroxidation product malondialdehyde (MDA) was also analyzed. Our results indicated that the neuroprotective effect of UA against d-gal induced neurotoxicity might be caused, at least in part, by the increase in the activity of antioxidant enzymes with a reduction in lipid peroxidation. And UA also inhibited the activation of caspase-3 induced by d-gal. Furthermore, we found that UA significantly increased the level of growth-associated protein GAP43 in the brain of d-gal-treated mice. These results suggest that the pharmacological action of UA may offer a novel therapeutic strategy for the treatment of age-related conditions.



Abbreviations: CAT, catalase; Ctrl, control; d-gal, d-galactose; GAP43, growth associated protein 43; GR, glutathione reductase; GPx, glutathione peroxidase; MDA, malondialdehyde; SOD, superoxide dismutases; UA, Ursolic acid

Keywords: Ursolic acid; d-Galactose; ROS; Behavior; Antioxidant enzyme; Caspase-3; GAP43

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OK, I saw it. Wow! Congrats on the tremendous change! Being that heavy may have actually laid down some additional muscle under all the fat.
Well done.
Perhaps, but I still think it was mostly fat, I did have calves then lol, why couldn't I have kept those lol
 
I think self criticism and being hard on yourself is all part of the bbuilding game (depending on ones own standards which vary greatly and from realistic very critical to very deluded) is a good thing for physical achievement, for me personally as it makes me want to strive to always be better to improve to keep standards high you have to always know you can be a bit better to keep making improvements and not to settle for what seems to be good enough. But it can all take its toll on the mind.
A person with low standards in physique building will settle for second best and never really give it there all and sacrifice with what i takes to reach a higher standard but alwasy think they are already there.
from a physique point of view No1 is ever good enough that they cannot improve in some minor or major way.
just my pennys worth.

Go Urso!

I agree that there is always room for improvement, but I don't think that saying someone who has a more balanced outlook on having quality of life has lower stadards with physique building. I have achieved a more ripped physique than most people who have competed on anything but a national level, did itnaturally and yet I maintained a quality of life even during my prep. I got ready for my show in 09 proving exactly that by getting down to 4% while still having a drink or two every week with my wife, still eating out for dinner, having a cheat meal once a week up until peak week, only lifting 3 times and doing cardio 3 times a week. I just don't buy into the you have to be obsessed to do things mentality. I used to and it was counter productive to thoroughly enjoying life and didn't get me any further ahead. I did the 3 hours a day in the gym and all that mess. I skipped out on every function and held fast to staying perfect on diet almost as it it were a badge of honor that made me better than people who "couldn't do it". I didn't make any better progress then than I do now but I tricked myself into the dogmatic though process that the complete sacrifice is what is required. Arnold lived life to the fullest, partied and ate and enjoyed life when he was not approaching a contest why should'nt it work for us as well?

I am not saying I don't have a form of biggorexia either. I never think I am as lean as I am until I start bulking then look back on my recomp pictures and am like wait I was really lean there. During the time I am, I don't feel that way though. I have a compulsion to want to do things and do more and more but I keep it in check now and find I actually enjoy life more without obsessing. A week of eating and enjoying myself on a vacation is not going to kill me and the recovery of some time off will probably actually benefit me. Even if training having a few drinks after with ample amounts of water to keep me hydrated is not going to hurt me one bit. There is a huge picture of life and 1 mm on a skinfold is not a big factor for a week of good memories with my family or girlfriend on a cruise. I can drop that 1 mm in a week of dieting afterwards and still have enjoyed myself thoroughly on my vacation or sporadically the weeks leading up to it. Cheeda enjoy your holiday and you vacation brother don't let your quest for fitness keep you from living life to the fullest man. You aren't gonna miss a step unless you are getting ready for a competition just enjoy. Christmas Eve dinner is not gonna make you look bad... Deplete before hand if you feel you need to but enjoy your life.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I agree that there is always room for improvement, but I don't think that saying someone who has a more balanced outlook on having quality of life has lower stadards with physique building. I have achieved a more ripped physique than most people who have competed on anything but a national level, did itnaturally and yet I maintained a quality of life even during my prep. I got ready for my show in 09 proving exactly that by getting down to 4% while still having a drink or two every week with my wife, still eating out for dinner, having a cheat meal once a week up until peak week, only lifting 3 times and doing cardio 3 times a week. I just don't buy into the you have to be obsessed to do things mentality. I used to and it was counter productive to thoroughly enjoying life and didn't get me any further ahead. I did the 3 hours a day in the gym and all that mess. I skipped out on every function and held fast to staying perfect on diet almost as it it were a badge of honor that made me better than people who "couldn't do it". I didn't make any better progress then than I do now but I tricked myself into the dogmatic though process that the complete sacrifice is what is required. Arnold lived life to the fullest, partied and ate and enjoyed life when he was not approaching a contest why should'nt it work for us as well?

I am not saying I don't have a form of biggorexia either. I never think I am as lean as I am until I start bulking then look back on my recomp pictures and am like wait I was really lean there. During the time I am, I don't feel that way though. I have a compulsion to want to do things and do more and more but I keep it in check now and find I actually enjoy life more without obsessing. A week of eating and enjoying myself on a vacation is not going to kill me and the recovery of some time off will probably actually benefit me. Even if training having a few drinks after with ample amounts of water to keep me hydrated is not going to hurt me one bit. There is a huge picture of life and 1 mm on a skinfold is not a big factor for a week of good memories with my family or girlfriend on a cruise. I can drop that 1 mm in a week of dieting afterwards and still have enjoyed myself thoroughly on my vacation or sporadically the weeks leading up to it. Cheeda enjoy your holiday and you vacation brother don't let your quest for fitness keep you from living life to the fullest man. You aren't gonna miss a step unless you are getting ready for a competition just enjoy. Christmas Eve dinner is not gonna make you look bad... Deplete before hand if you feel you need to but enjoy your life.

Thanks man.
 
I agree that there is always room for improvement, but I don't think that saying someone who has a more balanced outlook on having quality of life has lower stadards with physique building. I have achieved a more ripped physique than most people who have competed on anything but a national level, did itnaturally and yet I maintained a quality of life even during my prep. I got ready for my show in 09 proving exactly that by getting down to 4% while still having a drink or two every week with my wife, still eating out for dinner, having a cheat meal once a week up until peak week, only lifting 3 times and doing cardio 3 times a week. I just don't buy into the you have to be obsessed to do things mentality. I used to and it was counter productive to thoroughly enjoying life and didn't get me any further ahead. I did the 3 hours a day in the gym and all that mess. I skipped out on every function and held fast to staying perfect on diet almost as it it were a badge of honor that made me better than people who "couldn't do it". I didn't make any better progress then than I do now but I tricked myself into the dogmatic though process that the complete sacrifice is what is required. Arnold lived life to the fullest, partied and ate and enjoyed life when he was not approaching a contest why should'nt it work for us as well?

I am not saying I don't have a form of biggorexia either. I never think I am as lean as I am until I start bulking then look back on my recomp pictures and am like wait I was really lean there. During the time I am, I don't feel that way though. I have a compulsion to want to do things and do more and more but I keep it in check now and find I actually enjoy life more without obsessing. A week of eating and enjoying myself on a vacation is not going to kill me and the recovery of some time off will probably actually benefit me. Even if training having a few drinks after with ample amounts of water to keep me hydrated is not going to hurt me one bit. There is a huge picture of life and 1 mm on a skinfold is not a big factor for a week of good memories with my family or girlfriend on a cruise. I can drop that 1 mm in a week of dieting afterwards and still have enjoyed myself thoroughly on my vacation or sporadically the weeks leading up to it. Cheeda enjoy your holiday and you vacation brother don't let your quest for fitness keep you from living life to the fullest man. You aren't gonna miss a step unless you are getting ready for a competition just enjoy. Christmas Eve dinner is not gonna make you look bad... Deplete before hand if you feel you need to but enjoy your life.
Couldn't have said it any better myself I intend to eat the hell out of some food tomorrow I am planning on having some of every available dessert. I am even making a couple myself lol
 
Ill be 100% strict tomorrow and still be happy. I hate the feeling of overeating and being bloated, it just doesnt feel comfortable, ever.
 
Ill be 100% strict tomorrow and still be happy. I hate the feeling of overeating and being bloated, it just doesnt feel comfortable, ever.
I don't enjoy the after but I do enjoy the during :)
 
Thats understandable...I can eat 3 gallons of ice cream in 1 sitting if I only worried about during, lol

DO IT!!!


Last night though... I got so tired eating.. that I didnt really get to eat what I felt was enough... lol. I usually can eat around 3kgs of cooked meat and around 5 bowls of rice plus ice cream (At all you can eat yakiniku places). But last night I barely ate more than 1.5kgs of meat... Was just sooo tired... damn you turkey!
 
DO IT!!!


Last night though... I got so tired eating.. that I didnt really get to eat what I felt was enough... lol. I usually can eat around 3kgs of cooked meat and around 5 bowls of rice plus ice cream (At all you can eat yakiniku places). But last night I barely ate more than 1.5kgs of meat... Was just sooo tired... damn you turkey!
I bet they hate to see you walk in lol
 
I bet they hate to see you walk in lol

Hahah, Probably! I wonder.... I always ate at this "Shabu Shabu" place. Basically like yakiniku but you use a pot of hot water. I ordered 5kgs of meat there. And ate it all. I came back the next week and did the same...
They probably think that but hey... the money they make off all the other japanese ppl who eat barely anything makes up their profit margin I bet ;)
 
Hahah, Probably! I wonder.... I always ate at this "Shabu Shabu" place. Basically like yakiniku but you use a pot of hot water. I ordered 5kgs of meat there. And ate it all. I came back the next week and did the same...
They probably think that but hey... the money they make off all the other japanese ppl who eat barely anything makes up their profit margin I bet ;)

I love Shabu Shabu, you can make those places very bodybuilder friendly.
 
I love Shabu Shabu, you can make those places very bodybuilder friendly.

Yup. Specially if you are more geared towards high protein, mod fat, low carb. :)

man... I think I have to hit that place up again soon! Its getting REALLY cold here... Well for me anyway.
 
Yup. Specially if you are more geared towards high protein, mod fat, low carb. :)

man... I think I have to hit that place up again soon! Its getting REALLY cold here... Well for me anyway.

Yes...and exactly fitting for my diet. I just went to one a few days ago in China Town NYC.

When I travel in China I go to them as much as possible as asian restaurants including McDonalds (unlike the USA) are just terrible and difficult to order. Most of the foods are a slop of grease and oil and I hate fish/seafood. Ive had to order a plate of hard boiled eggs at many of them or just sit and watch people eat, its embarrassing but then I dont care.
 
Yes...and exactly fitting for my diet. I just went to one a few days ago in China Town NYC.

When I travel in China I go to them as much as possible as asian restaurants including McDonalds (unlike the USA) are just terrible and difficult to order. Most of the foods are a slop of grease and oil and I hate fish/seafood. Ive had to order a plate of hard boiled eggs at many of them or just sit and watch people eat, its embarrassing but then I dont care.


I hear ya man... going out to eat in asian countries is pretty hard when you have a group and everyone doesnt care about health, body comp, etc. Well its hard anywhere but still.. here it seems harder because as much as Id like to order a plate of boiled eggs... I doubt ANYWHERE would serve it to me (well aside from the 7-11).
 
I agree that there is always room for improvement, but I don't think that saying someone who has a more balanced outlook on having quality of life has lower stadards with physique building.

true enough but i didnt say that someone with a full and complete quality of life has lower standards in physique building, i said a person regardless of how complete their life is or not is driven by their own quality of standards of how they see themselves in a physique ranking, they may be real good but never really see it and so they keep on pushing to improve to be better to improve there own personal standards, a person my be far from good but picture themselves to be pretty darn good and so there standards of physical development will be lower so the will think they are pretty much there and so will never push themselves to improve or be better than what they are as they see themselves more than good enough.
agreed 100% sacrifice is not needed to be a champ or build a solid physique, and one can still have cheat meals drink etc on a diet or in the off season, but without these cheats then surely one could make faster/better progress.
but IMO if i diet i diet i give it my all i dont cheat with junk food or alcohol as i believe if you are competing and you are cheating the chances are the other competitors are not at that time, makes you feel better to be stricter, and for naturals dieting and physique building can be much harder (pending on the individual) without the use of drugs or aas. like most things in life you get out of it what you put into it
i eat pretty clean all yr round i like it and feel better for it, junk and alcohol has no place in my diet thats the way i choose to live better for mind and much better for the body, if i fancy something bad il have it but i dont need to eat junk regularly to feel good or even on a diet as a pyscological break release from the strictness.


Anyway any more Urso updates
Cheers
 
Yes...and exactly fitting for my diet. I just went to one a few days ago in China Town NYC.

When I travel in China I go to them as much as possible as asian restaurants including McDonalds (unlike the USA) are just terrible and difficult to order. Most of the foods are a slop of grease and oil and I hate fish/seafood. Ive had to order a plate of hard boiled eggs at many of them or just sit and watch people eat, its embarrassing but then I dont care.


i understand why you feel embarrased but you should not you choose to eat a certain way becos its your goal to look and feel perform a certain way, other/ most diners eat what they want eat crap becos they are ther to enjoy the meal they dont think of the physical effect or health effect eating crap has on them, they live for the moment to eat the tastiest meal they can to enjoy it to the maximum, you may be embarrased becos you are not fitting in with the environment becos you care how you look and have a goal, outside the eatery everyone stands up in a line and everyone judged you by your appearance (in this instance body) you wouldnt feel embarrased but if they all knew they were being judged and ridiculed by how they look and not how big there plate is in the diner,then prob a good proportion of them would be embarrased and i guess you would not be.
been there b4 portable meals, so if its what you think is best eat your boiled eggs with pride, and how can you even slate eggs, one of natures best bioavalable protein sources full of much nutritional goodness and it even comes from the butt of a hen.
 
I agree I am more concerned over my head as of late, I've not been getting enough sleep and at work have been fuzzy, then I started using Clearshot as a pre work supplement and all I can say is wow! I am focused and my productivity is way up, though I find my job boring and uninteresting ....my day job that is I am Type A and very competitive in the work place, I like to get sh!t done too!

having being in great physical shape as a goal has an added benefit of being very good for you mentally and emotionally. Unless you take it too far so it interferes with your life and with your grasp of reality. But then again those are the people who buy my products so i am not criticizing too much
 
Ill be 100% strict tomorrow and still be happy. I hate the feeling of overeating and being bloated, it just doesnt feel comfortable, ever.

u conveniently neglected to mention the fact that they are all out of food in pyongyang. this has nothing to do with willpower
 
having being in great physical shape as a goal has an added benefit of being very good for you mentally and emotionally. Unless you take it too far so it interferes with your life and with your grasp of reality. But then again those are the people who buy my products so i am not criticizing too much
You are right working out has totally changed my life, I was the shy fat bookworm as a kid, got my first set of those plastic covered concrete weights in the eighth grade and nothing was ever the same after....there was the one depressed period where I blew up to 300 ugly pounds.....but other than that I feel a lot better about myself...and people don't give you Sh!t when 200+ and ripped :) not and get away with it anyway. My supplement addiction is another story
 
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving Pat
 
u conveniently neglected to mention the fact that they are all out of food in pyongyang. this has nothing to do with willpower
Poontang?? I thought poontang was food .....oh you said Pyongyang
 
Joint Fracture said:
Understood. Don't feel too bad. I've tortured calves for a quarter century, and they still only barely look normal now.

Genetics.. All genetics.. I've got a massive chest and can't even bench 185... I've it huge calves and I do three , yes 3 sets of direct calf work per week... The rest comes from um idk.. Theyve just ways been huge like my chest for no reason!
 
Genetics.. All genetics.. I've got a massive chest and can't even bench 185... I've it huge calves and I do three , yes 3 sets of direct calf work per week... The rest comes from um idk.. Theyve just ways been huge like my chest for no reason!

Aye genetics. We need to choose parents more carefully!

:wink1:
 
Aye genetics. We need to choose parents more carefully!

:wink1:
Genetics are so interesting what transfers to the offspring and what does not. I have a small circular divot in the rear of my left bicep, my little brother has a divot in the same place. Wonder what gene got turned off there.
 
Genetics are so interesting what transfers to the offspring and what does not. I have a small circular divot in the rear of my left bicep, my little brother has a divot in the same place. Wonder what gene got turned off there.

someone probably used to grab you guys there as kids and it left an impression. u musta been a bad kid
 
someone probably used to grab you guys there as kids and it left an impression. u musta been a bad kid
Yeah.....that must've been it....... No I was an angel.......well ....most of the time.... ok some of the time ....not really
 
truthornothin said:
Genetics are so interesting what transfers to the offspring and what does not. I have a small circular divot in the rear of my left bicep, my little brother has a divot in the same place. Wonder what gene got turned off there.

I have more body hair than anyone in my family. I shaved at 8. I think I peaked test wise at 14. Not effing around
 
chedapalooza said:
I have more body hair than anyone in my family. I shaved at 8. I think I peaked test wise at 14. Not effing around

I remember being the freak with arm hair like grown men in 2nd grade lol
 
houstontexas said:
I remember being the freak with arm hair like grown men in 2nd grade lol

In second grade I was 5' 9" 185. FWM
 
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