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PES AnaBeta - Revealed

Terencec said:
I am on my third week also and I mentioned way early in the thread I didn't see anything from it then and I am still not seeing anything.
I'm a season gym rat and my diet is on point. A little bit disappointing because I love PES stuff. Matter of fact im leaning up a tiny bit, but I get that effect from Erase usually and I am taking that along with Ana-Beta.

I am just coming off a cycle, maybe that has something to do with me not seeing any gains.
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Only way to judge a products effectiveness in PCT is to compare a PCT without the product, and then the same PCT again after the same cycle but with the product. PCT you are extremely catabolic, but luckily you are using Erase to combat that!
 
Need2Slin works differently than Anabeta but will definitely enhance the nutrition uptake of the food you consume.
 
Honestly, if you're making 0 progress in 2 months either your diet or training is off from your goal. Even if it's incremental, you should make "some" progress. For people whose diet is "on point" have you ever tracked your daily caloric intake with macros? Have you done that consistently for weeks? I know that made the biggest difference for me during contest prep, going from "eating clean" to methodically tracking, WOW big difference. Even when I relax on tracking calories/macros, I tend to put fat back on and not be as in-control. Diet is one of those little things that makes a HUGE difference, and while most think they're "on point" since they eat chicken breasts and veggies, they really are not. Once you compete, you understand it.

I'm not saying that's the case with the last 2 posters, though there are some indicators especially with the diet that was laid out, I just notice a lot of people blame supplements when their "on point" diet and training was the real key to gains. IMO it's 70% Diet, 25% Exercise/Recovery, and 5% supplements.
 
Milas said:
Honestly, if you're making 0 progress in 2 months either your diet or training is off from your goal. Even if it's incremental, you should make "some" progress. For people whose diet is "on point" have you ever tracked your daily caloric intake with macros? Have you done that consistently for weeks? I know that made the biggest difference for me during contest prep, going from "eating clean" to methodically tracking, WOW big difference. Even when I relax on tracking calories/macros, I tend to put fat back on and not be as in-control. Diet is one of those little things that makes a HUGE difference, and while most think they're "on point" since they eat chicken breasts and veggies, they really are not. Once you compete, you understand it.

I'm not saying that's the case with the last 2 posters, though there are some indicators especially with the diet that was laid out, I just notice a lot of people blame supplements when their "on point" diet and training was the real key to gains. IMO it's 70% Diet, 25% Exercise/Recovery, and 5% supplements.
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Agreed. I lost 50 pounds eating clean, then plateaued, started logging every thing i ate- I looked like a friggin anatomy chart, it was insane n really helped that final push.. I don't do it anymore n just eat clean n workout bc it makes me happy.. Bit very few know what it takes to truly control their bodies- you can make it into anything u want, it's a carefully executes science
 
Milas said:
Honestly, if you're making 0 progress in 2 months either your diet or training is off from your goal. Even if it's incremental, you should make "some" progress. For people whose diet is "on point" have you ever tracked your daily caloric intake with macros? Have you done that consistently for weeks? I know that made the biggest difference for me during contest prep, going from "eating clean" to methodically tracking, WOW big difference. Even when I relax on tracking calories/macros, I tend to put fat back on and not be as in-control. Diet is one of those little things that makes a HUGE difference, and while most think they're "on point" since they eat chicken breasts and veggies, they really are not. Once you compete, you understand it.

I'm not saying that's the case with the last 2 posters, though there are some indicators especially with the diet that was laid out, I just notice a lot of people blame supplements when their "on point" diet and training was the real key to gains. IMO it's 70% Diet, 25% Exercise/Recovery, and 5% supplements.
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Great points
 
Combination of both. The diuretic effect is very minimal. People assume it is a diuretic because it increases their thirst. As far as increased urination goes, the increase in urination from diuresis with Erase the first few days of use is far greater than AnaBeta.

The increase in thirst is from the increase in muscle glycogen storage it causes. High levels of water are needed to carry glucose into the muscle to store as glycogen. Not enough water, wont get maximal delivery. I personally believe the leaning out is a combo of the increased delivery of glucose to muscle along with mild diuretic and thermogenic effects.

Diuretics dont give pump and fullness....AnaBeta most definitely does.
 
nattydisaster said:
Combination of both. The diuretic effect is very minimal. People assume it is a diuretic because it increases their thirst. As far as increased urination goes, the increase in urination from diuresis with Erase the first few days of use is far greater than AnaBeta.

The increase in thirst is from the increase in muscle glycogen storage it causes. High levels of water are needed to carry glucose into the muscle to store as glycogen. Not enough water, wont get maximal delivery. I personally believe the leaning out is a combo of the increased delivery of glucose to muscle along with mild diuretic and thermogenic effects.

Diuretics dont give pump and fullness....AnaBeta most definitely does.
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thanks! that works for me. and yes i can attest to the pumps eventho ive been on it only 4 days
 
nattydisaster said:
Combination of both. The diuretic effect is very minimal. People assume it is a diuretic because it increases their thirst. As far as increased urination goes, the increase in urination from diuresis with Erase the first few days of use is far greater than AnaBeta.

The increase in thirst is from the increase in muscle glycogen storage it causes. High levels of water are needed to carry glucose into the muscle to store as glycogen. Not enough water, wont get maximal delivery. I personally believe the leaning out is a combo of the increased delivery of glucose to muscle along with mild diuretic and thermogenic effects.

Diuretics dont give pump and fullness....AnaBeta most definitely does.
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What do you think of Anabeta with a nutrient repartitioner such as Anabolic Pump, Pslin or something else? I want to make a nice natty stack for the fall using Anabeta as the base.
 
rulk22 said:
What do you think of Anabeta with a nutrient repartitioner such as Anabolic Pump, Pslin or something else? I want to make a nice natty stack for the fall using Anabeta as the base.
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You can stack them if you wish, they dont work the same so there wouldnt be any redundancy in a stack.

You will have the added insulin sensitizing/glucose disposal of the one product with the overall anabolism from Anabeta.
 
eddiejerom said:
when you say pre-workout, do you mean with my pre workout meal (1.5 hr before), or with my pre-workout shake (mesomorph 30mins before)
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Out of those two options, I would say 1.5 hour..
I personally found it to be most effective (in the gym) if I took them 1 hour before
 
rulk22 said:
What do you think of Anabeta with a nutrient repartitioner such as Anabolic Pump, Pslin or something else? I want to make a nice natty stack for the fall using Anabeta as the base.
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I've used anabolic pump, pslin, need2slin.. using them alone, I feel anabeta is better in terms of that "all day fullness" look.

I haven't tried a nutrient repartitioner with anabeta, but I can't imagine any greater effects than AB alone.
 
jcalvert86 said:
I've used anabolic pump, pslin, need2slin.. using them alone, I feel anabeta is better in terms of that "all day fullness" look.I haven't tried a nutrient repartitioner with anabeta, but I can't imagine any greater effects than AB alone.
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I have only tried AP out of this list but you echo my sentiments entirely.Rulk, I am not convinced you will see a big difference adding one of those in.
 
Once I rose above the noise and confusion.
Just to get a glimpse beyond this illusion.
I was soaring ever higher!
But I flew too high.
 
Hix said:
How will work AnaBeta with OxyElite Pro and Alpha T2 ? Is it a good stack?
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AnaBeta is fine to stack with OEP and Alpha-T2. Never stacked it with OEP, but have stacked it with Alpha-T2 and enjoyed it :)

~Rosie~
 
Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think I still was a mad man
I hear the voices when I'm dreamin',
I can hear them saaaaaaaay!
 
bi0hazurd said:
Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man Though my mind could think I still was a mad man I hear the voices when I'm dreamin', I can hear them saaaaaaaay!
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This guy is just posting carry on my wayward son in all our threads, lol.
 
nattydisaster said:
It would work. Start dosing low. Stick to highest at 1 AT2 and 1 OEP in the AM and PM with 4 AnaBeta
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Slightly changing topics, do you feel that Anabeta run for 6-8 weeks directly into a ph would be smart? Or do you feel there should be some dowtime (possibly a light pct or even a cleanse), then going with a ph?
 
Rucksdaddy said:
Slightly changing topics, do you feel that Anabeta run for 6-8 weeks directly into a ph would be smart? Or do you feel there should be some dowtime (possibly a light pct or even a cleanse), then going with a ph?
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I can't see any real issues with this, it would be like running a natural bridge into your next cycle (if you have just finished one).

If you haven't finished one then I would personally do the cycle and use AnaBeta in PCT to help hold on to the gains you have made.

No PCT is necessary with AnaBeta and it has been run longer than 8 weeks with good results so I wouldn't worry about having to PCT or cleanse afterwards.

I hope this helps. :)
 
bdcc said:
I can't see any real issues with this, it would be like running a natural bridge into your next cycle (if you have just finished one).

If you haven't finished one then I would personally do the cycle and use AnaBeta in PCT to help hold on to the gains you have made.

No PCT is necessary with AnaBeta and it has been run longer than 8 weeks with good results so I wouldn't worry about having to PCT or cleanse afterwards.

I hope this helps. :)
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I was looking to run Anabeta in January and February (picked up two bottles) then move onto Boladrol in March. I see your point with running it pct, but I kind of have a plan set in my mind. Just wanted feedback from the people who have put the work into investigating the herb. So yes, you did help. Thanks, appreciate it.
 
Thank you.

In the interest of complete honesty and transparency it is worth keeping in mind that as this is such an innovative product and the ingredient has not been used before a lot of scenarios which are proposed we can only answer with speculation. As far as I am aware I don't know anyone who has run the exact same scenario as you by running AnaBeta for 2 months followed by Boladrol.

I can't see any issues with it but I don't want to pretend we have feedback from 15 people who have used your exact plan and loved it. It might work better using Boladrol and then AnaBeta in PCT, it might work better the way you are doing it. :)

Either way please let us know how you get on. I like collecting feedback from as many different scenarios as I can so when questions like this come up from people like you I can be as educated as possible.

Ben
 
bdcc said:
Thank you.

In the interest of complete honesty and transparency it is worth keeping in mind that as this is such an innovative product and the ingredient has not been used before a lot of scenarios which are proposed we can only answer with speculation. As far as I am aware I don't know anyone who has run the exact same scenario as you by running AnaBeta for 2 months followed by Boladrol.

I can't see any issues with it but I don't want to pretend we have feedback from 15 people who have used your exact plan and loved it. It might work better using Boladrol and then AnaBeta in PCT, it might work better the way you are doing it. :)

Either way please let us know how you get on. I like collecting feedback from as many different scenarios as I can so when questions like this come up from people like you I can be as educated as possible.

Ben
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Run: Anabeta --> Boladrol --> Anabeta in PCT....problem solved ;)
 
Let me get this straight:
You get great gains, increased hunger, vascularity, and pumps
Non-hormonal?
Not steroids
No side effects

Why does it say not to use it if you are under 21? I am under 21 and I really want to use it, but if it's not safe for some reason, of course I wont. Let me know if it's safe!
 
PES Anabeta Revealed... Im about to do some revealing of my own. Checkout my Anabeta Log, set to begin this Monday.

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L1AM said:
Let me get this straight:You get great gains, increased hunger, vascularity, and pumpsNon-hormonal?Not steroidsNo side effectsWhy does it say not to use it if you are under 21? I am under 21 and I really want to use it, but if it's not safe for some reason, of course I wont. Let me know if it's safe!
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It can exert mild testosterone boosting effects as well and therefore it is safer if we put a warning on the bottle as we don't tend to recommend products which effect male hormones to anyone under 21.

We prefer to be cautious. :)
 
bdcc said:
It can exert mild testosterone boosting effects as well and therefore it is safer if we put a warning on the bottle as we don't tend to recommend products which effect male hormones to anyone under 21.

We prefer to be cautious. :)
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well put!!!
 
bdcc said:
It can exert mild testosterone boosting effects as well and therefore it is safer if we put a warning on the bottle as we don't tend to recommend products which effect male hormones to anyone under 21.

We prefer to be cautious. :)
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Thanks for the reply! Does it boost endogenous or exogenous testosterone? Also is there any negative effects on libido? I think I read that it increased it but I can't remember.
 
Some people do not notice any subjective signs of increased testosterone such as libido, erection frequency etc. Others have reported on it but it is a mild effect from AnaBeta in comparison to the other effects and therefore isn't the main MOA.

To be honest with most ergogenic supplements other than naturally occurring aminos etc the 21 warning is quite common. We prefer to be safe. :)
 
L1AM said:
Thanks for the reply! Does it boost endogenous or exogenous testosterone? Also is there any negative effects on libido? I think I read that it increased it but I can't remember.
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Most notice an increase in libido, some dont notice an increase. I have not seen anyone say they felt a decreased testosterone
 
I think I am going to try it out, a little bit of natural testosterone never hurt anyone. I know you guys don't "recommend" it, but I'll be a rebel and try it anyways.
 
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