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steppinRazor

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after using the search function i couldnt find much info about creatine ethyl ester. actually i found NO info so im asking for your help!
i was running low on some other supps so i dropped the dime and blindly purchased 100grams of bulk CEE.

im under the impression its superior to creatine mono, which to be honest i dont have much experience with either. but alright heres a few Q's

Is there a loading phase for CEE or can i just start taking a few grams daily as suggested on the label? is 3 grams daily a good dose? more/less?

Should i be taking this Pre or Post work out?? both?

I'm going to be coming off a DS cycle and will be running an AI (Erase) how will CEE interact with this?

thanks for taking the time!
 
susposedly it is less bloat inducing. (neverhad any issues with creapure mono FWIW) other than that it just costs more than mono thats about all I know about it.
 
Just some general guidelines here:

I would take ~3g with some non-citrus juice or something with simple CHO sometime prior to training, then another ~3g post-workout.

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that CEE will affect the function of an aromatase inhibitor like Erase in any way. In fact, many people choose to utilize creatine (in whatever form) during PCT.
 
Bolanrox said:
susposedly it is less bloat inducing. (neverhad any issues with creapure mono FWIW) other than that it just costs more than mono thats about all I know about it.
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thanks for your input..actually it was about the same price at nutraplanet..only 5 bucks..CHEAP!!!

Red Dog said:
Just some general guidelines here:

I would take ~3g with some non-citrus juice or something with simple CHO sometime prior to training, then another ~3g post-workout.

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that CEE will affect the function of an aromatase inhibitor like Erase in any way. In fact, many people choose to utilize creatine (in whatever form) during PCT.
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thank you my man...non citrus? is this to prevent conversion to creatinine? heard supposedly CEE wasnt supposed to convert. and by prior to training do you mean basically like pre work out or just sometime in the AM or something?
yeah i'm basically adding the creatine to my arsenal of PCT to maintain what ive gained, i just wasnt sure since Erase is suppose to reduce water retention..
 
steppinRazor said:
after using the search function i couldnt find much info about creatine ethyl ester. actually i found NO info so im asking for your help!
i was running low on some other supps so i dropped the dime and blindly purchased 100grams of bulk CEE.

im under the impression its superior to creatine mono, which to be honest i dont have much experience with either. but alright heres a few Q's

Is there a loading phase for CEE or can i just start taking a few grams daily as suggested on the label? is 3 grams daily a good dose? more/less?

Should i be taking this Pre or Post work out?? both?

I'm going to be coming off a DS cycle and will be running an AI (Erase) how will CEE interact with this?

thanks for taking the time!
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I personally don't think that much of CEE, especially since the ONLY time I used it, it messed with my bloods - every other creatine product before and after that had NO effect on my bloods whatsoever!

There is no loading phase for ANY type of creatine. If you load, this is personal preference.

You only need 2-3 grams of creatine a day, so the 3g dose is fine and adequate daily.

You can use creatine pre, post, or pre AND post-training. I used to use it pre and post - because I saw the best results that way, but I have gone to using it only pre now. What you do is up to you - if you dose pre and post, use only a half dose (i.e. ~1.5g) each dose.

You're fine using creatine, CEE or not, with Erase.

~Rosie~
 
CEE is inferior to monohydrate and other forms. This is not to say it doesn't work, it's just not the best form. If you bought at nutra, I much prefer their tricreatine malate.
 
My only complaint with CEE is that it seemed to make whatever I mixed it in taste like liquid crap. It is effective but hard to choke down for me. I still have an almost full tub, and had to switch back to mono
 
Thanks Rosie! i was hoping you'd stop by, you seem to be the leading authority on Erase lol.. thinking i will just split my dosing pre and post work out.

poison - in what ways would you consider cee to be inferior? just personal experience? i mean the claims are there but i suppose a huge part is just marketing

Rick..sounds like bad news man.. we'll see how it goes i guess. had you tried mixing it with a protein shake? im hoping that might help with taste. any one know if that would negatively effect absorption?
 
steppinRazor said:
Thanks Rosie! i was hoping you'd stop by, you seem to be the leading authority on Erase lol.. thinking i will just split my dosing pre and post work out.

poison - in what ways would you consider cee to be inferior? just personal experience? i mean the claims are there but i suppose a huge part is just marketing

Rick..sounds like bad news man.. we'll see how it goes i guess. had you tried mixing it with a protein shake? im hoping that might help with taste. any one know if that would negatively effect absorption?
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No worries :) I wouldn't say I was the leading authority on Erase - that would be Josh (aka nattydisaster), since he is the poduct formulator.

I don't know about "inferior" (CEE is not as researched and tested as creatine monohydrate [CM]), since I didn't see any performance difference using CEE as opposed to other forms of creatine such as CM, Kre-Alkalyn, or Con-Cret, etc. (the only difference I saw was in my bloods - once I stopped using CEE, they returned to normal), but I wouldn't say it was the best type of creatine to use either.

I can't speak for CEE powder, but if you're using CEE pills, there is no taste.

~Rosie~
 
steppinRazor said:
Bulk powder actually..so i got my fingers crossed that it doesnt taste like complete shît
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Have fun with that :lol: I personally prefer pills over powder, using powdered supplements as little as possible now, with my only powders BC+EAA and Assault (which contains my daily dosage of creatine).

~Rosie~
 
I rec u just go with mono
 
steppinRazor said:
Bulk powder actually..so i got my fingers crossed that it doesnt taste like complete shît
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Good luck man. Bulk mono is flavorless but CEE is nasty. I've mixed of in about everything from shakes to preworkouts to juice and nothing masked the nastiness
 
I thought CEE was debunked years ago.

I know we removed it from Green Bulge for good reason.

I don't have the time to research it, and I can't remember off the top of my head.

Suffice it to say, the ethyl-ester craze back in 05-06 didn't last. Remember?
"Orange Juice Ethyl-Ester!"

Bogus...just read some of the threads from back in 07...I'm sure youll find all the info you need.

Go with Creatine Mono, Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Creatine Nitrate, Di Creatine Malate, etc.

Oh yeah, bulk CEE powder...tastes like powdered pennies.
Almost as bad as Phenibut!
 
steppinRazor said:
poison - in what ways would you consider cee to be inferior? just personal experience? i mean the claims are there but i suppose a huge part is just marketing
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Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.
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Keep in mind that is not the current CM2 formula. ;)
 
I would still stick to creatine mono and if you care about taste just go with green mag. Creatine is a great product but people over think it. Stick to mono...you know it works. I'm about to start using creapure with insulin so I can't wait how that'll go.

I did notice much better results when I took creatine with an insulin mimicker. Recompadrol and Need2Slin have been my favorite stack.
 
Ive tried three different types of creatine (MCC,CEE,mono) and from personal experience, I found CEE to be the least effective of the three (I tried primaforce and higher powers CEE). I still had strength and size gains but it didn't seem to be as noticeable compared to what I got from mono/mcc. Just my 2 centzzzzz
 
There is no need to mess with Creatine Mono. All other forms trying to "improve" upon it are only there so they can charge more for a supposedly better product. Its just marketing that is all.
 
Creatine mono is cheap, effective, and proven. Can't go wrong there ;)
 
CEE does taste disgusting.
My personal experiences have found that Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Dicreatine Melate, Creatine Nitrate and Creatine Mono to all be more effective. This is true with ME anyway.

My opinion of Creatine Ethyl Ester has gown straight down the tubes within the last two years or so.
 
well damn you know i tried searching CEE and it wasnt specific enough, then tried creatine ethyl ester and only one thread came up. 3 replies.. anyways, maybe i did it wrong.

so my CEE arrived yesterday.. didnt have any juice so i just tasted some powder..ugggghhh taste like meth!!:puke:
although it seems to taste like ass, i think i could get past it.. but if it just generally ineffective i guess ill move on.
 
CEE is a waste of money.


Timing of creatine is irrelevant as long as you stay saturated. It doesnt matter if you take it pre/post or both.

Just take it once a day 2.5-5g
 
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