P-Mag + P-Stanz Log W/ Bloodwork
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KashMoni
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Thanks man.
When I started I was 160 and started eating 3500to 3800 cals a day. I was easily doing +800-900 surplus in beginning but that number has decreased as ive put on weight and been eating same amount of calories. Im going to try my best to increase the amount starting this week, but its bit of challenge given the schedule, but def doable.
Bry17
Well-known member
^this, and looking forward to the bloodwork.
KashMoni
Member
Thank you both fellas.
Quick question, when would people like me to perform the bloodwork
Tuesday: 6/7/11 Back/Bis/Traps
I didn't write down things, but I'll just say the highest from memory.
Also given my schedule, I can only go like an hour/hour and a half before the finals game, and since majority of folks here are mavs fans, they also show up. Not to mention that it's basically primetime as well at 630 PM...so gym is crowded, and stations are not available. So I was doing roughly 5 sets or so on anything I could get my hands on.
Pullovers 7x105
Single Arm DB Row 8x110
Iso-High Row 8x230
DB Shurgs 8x110
Alternating DB curls 8x50
Incline curls with EZ bar 15x65
I also did that giant 9,8,7...1 rep scheme on curls as described a few posts above.
Wednesday: Took off due to preventing injury
Yesterday was supposed to be dedicated to shoulders, but given the beating on monday (chest) and tuesday, I felt my right shoulder's nagging injury and tendon problems coming back. I decided to be smart about things and take the day off and do legs today (Thursday) so that my shoulders get a 72 hour rest from tuesday's workout to Friday's workout.
Thursday 6/9/11 Legs
I was excited about legs all day, just wanted out of school all day and couldn't wait to get into the gym.
Unfortunately, game 5 was tonight and I ran into the same problem as tuesday....gym was even more packed and it was evident with the parking...or lack of.
Anyways, all I wanted was one of the two racks/cages with a bar and 4 plates max...but no, assclowns had those two on lockdown.
One guy was doing curls with 10 lbs on each side, and another guy was either following some weird exercise routine of some hollywood celeb out of a mag or had decided to pull that exercise out of his rear end and create his own exercise.
Needless to say, only station available was one of the 2 leg press machines...and all I could think of as soon I looked around was "Big Fn mistake people" :laugh:
So I went in, warmed up with my usual 6 plates (270 lbs) and didn't look back, as I was pulling plates from any station I could, and pissing people off, and honestly I didn't give a $!@%, because most people were either socializing in person or on FB with their phones and "checking-in" at the gym.
Leg Press:
270x8
540x8
720x8
810x8
900x8
950x8 PR
DB Romanian deadlifts
60x8
70x8
80x8
90x8
Super Set /Circut on the next two, no rests between any of the 10 sets.
Leg Extensions to Hamstring Curls
10x80 10x50
10x95 10x50
10x110 10x50
10x125 10x50
10x140 10x50
Sadly that was about all I could get in during my short workout, but I think I should be fine to the point where I can fully hit legs on Sunday.
Anyways, sorry for my rants, but some people in the gym just annoy me.
KashMoni
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Thank you and you will love this stack. It'd be interesting to see the results with that type of routine.
Yep.
Day 1: 160
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Day 27: 180
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Not the best comparison pics, esp since the first 2 pics are few hours after a workout, and the 2nd set are cold pics following a day off.
But the important thing is, even after 20 lbs, mid region hasn't changed much, sure I've put on a little bit, but not that bad.
As far as measurements go:
Day 1:
Arms: 16.25"
Legs: 22"
Day 27:
Arms: 17"
Legs: 24"
My legs have started to fill out my jeans a lot, if they get any bigger, they'll fit me like skinny jeans around the quads. When I'm sitting, there's practically no breathing room around my quads etc.
All my jeans are 32W, and I've gone from using the last belt hole to the next one...
Friday 6/10/11: Chest/Shoulders
Flat BB:
135x12
185x8
225x8
245x5
Inc DB:
60x12
75x10
90x6
Pec Dec:
150x12
190x8
2408
Decline BB:
135x10
185x8
225x8
255x6 ==> Best part about this is I matched the weights/reps I did on Monday, and on Monday I started off with Decline BB.
Cable Crossovers:
3 sets
Alternated DB shoulder press:
25x12
35x10
45x10
Leaning side lateral raises:
3sets x 25x12
Rear lateral raises:
3sets x 25x10
KashMoni
Member
Haha thanks man, it's amazing to see the muscle fullness, difference between the upper chest and traps, and muscle hardness.
Anyways, I didn't get to go on Monday, but here is the numbers for the Tue and Wed.
Tue: Chest
Flat BB
135x10
185x8
225x8
250x4
Pec Dec
150x12
190x10
220x8
Decline BB
135x10
185x8
225x8
245x6
265x3
Cable Crossovers
3 Sets
Vertical cable bench press
40 reps x 50
Wednesday: Legs
Squats
135x15
185x10
225x10
275x8
315x5
BB Romanian Deadlifts
135x12
185x8
205x6
DB Romanian Deadlifts
80x10
90x10
Leg Extension giant drop set
30x95
20x80
10x70
10x60
10x50
10x40
10x30
20x20
10x10
Hamstring curls 7's (3 combined is 1 set)
7x50 Bottom half range
7x50 Top half range
7x50 Full range
3 sets total.
Seated Calf Raises
3x20x90
I've got roughly one week left, nothing negative to report thankfully. No dull pain or pumps, and haven't done taurine since the first week. I don't "feel" shutdown, but not taking any chances during my PCT either way.
I got asked to spot someone on Smith bench in between my sets of squad...I had seen that once and thought it was weird, but I was even more surprised to be asked to give a guy a lift off too...thoughts? Is this common in other gyms?
KashMoni
Member
Lol thanks Bry17. When should the bloods be done?
Bry17
Well-known member
I would do bloods the last 2-3 days of your cycle or just before it ends and after pct or just before pct ends.
KashMoni
Member
I'm about to go ahead and place my order soon for the bloodwork for tomorrow. I should have the results posted by Thursday.
Anyways, sorry folks for not updating, but I've been too busy with school etc, and haven't hit the gym the last 3 days, looking forward to tonight though. I went on Friday, but I'm not gonna post my routine bc it was a complete body workout with 2-3 exercises per body part. I mainly did it because I knew I was going to be out of the gym Sat-Mon.
Weight is still 180-182, sure I haven't moved up since a week and a half ago, but I'm not worried about that considering how things drastically changed with school etc.
So far I've put on ~20 lbs and couldn't be happier with how the cycle went and how I responded. Hoping the bloodwork comes out not too shabby, but we will see.
As the cycle is coming to a close, the most important phase is about to start, so I will keep this going through PCT as well, and have a 3rd bloodword once it's all said and done.
PCT:
Ok just a quick question regarding PCT. I should start PES Erase Week 2, with Testforce 2 (DAA) and Athletix Titanium Week 1 along with serm correct?
A:
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm
Not sure which of the two I want to go with...what do you guys suggest?
B:
Day 1-3: 120mg
Day 4-7: 90mg
Day 8-21: 60mg
Day 22-28: 30mg
Also should I do Erase 2 caps a day / 12 hrs apart for 45 days or do the ramping down scenario?
0/3/3/2/2/1/1/1
KashMoni
Member
End of cycle Bloodwork has been posted on first page, POST # 2
In an attempt to keep variables the same, the tests were performed at identical times.
Total Testosterone: 47.4% Decrease
LH: Roughly the same
FSH: 35.7% Decrease (Was low to begin with, 1.4 to 0.9)
Estrogen: 34.1% Increase
AST: 38.5% Increase (On the high end of NORMAL range) ==> Current 36 - Normal Max 40
ALT: 145% Increase (On the high end of NORMAL range) ==> Current 54 - Normal Max 55
Anyways, that's the basics, didn't get a chance to look at everything over because I got a test coming up and Lab afterwards. Looking forward to responses considering the bloodwork and my previous post.
****P.S. when is the best time of day to take Torem? I'm thinking about taking it around 2-3ish PM as I'm taking my first doses of Titanium, TestForce2, and Erase at 630-7 AM and 2nd dose would be 630 PM. ****
If I'm doing it wrong, please let me know. Thank you
In an attempt to keep variables the same, the tests were performed at identical times.
Total Testosterone: 47.4% Decrease
LH: Roughly the same
FSH: 35.7% Decrease (Was low to begin with, 1.4 to 0.9)
Estrogen: 34.1% Increase
AST: 38.5% Increase (On the high end of NORMAL range) ==> Current 36 - Normal Max 40
ALT: 145% Increase (On the high end of NORMAL range) ==> Current 54 - Normal Max 55
Anyways, that's the basics, didn't get a chance to look at everything over because I got a test coming up and Lab afterwards. Looking forward to responses considering the bloodwork and my previous post.
****P.S. when is the best time of day to take Torem? I'm thinking about taking it around 2-3ish PM as I'm taking my first doses of Titanium, TestForce2, and Erase at 630-7 AM and 2nd dose would be 630 PM. ****
If I'm doing it wrong, please let me know. Thank you
Bry17
Well-known member
Wow! Not bad bloods at all for running two compounds. Your test cut in half which is acceptable and understandable. AST and ALT are still within normal ranges. Very impressed Kashmoni, this is a great log. It doesnt really matter what time of day you take torem, just make sure you get the daily dose in.
KashMoni
Member
Yea I'm not too worried about the hormonal situation right now, after all that's what PCT is for lol.
But yea I'm glad my AST and ALT are still within normal range, should be a breeze to drop back down to my previous numbers.
BP avg precycle: 121/72
BP avg day 11 of cycle: 129/79
BP avg today: 131/69 ===> Although I don't know how accurate all this can be anymore, since on the machine it says it's made for the avg adult arm of 11-14 inches...lol.
Anyways, this is my numbers from previous 2 workouts. First one is the 2nd to last day of cycle, and the 2nd one is today's which is first day of PCT.
Day 40: Tuesday 6/21 Chest
Decline Flat BB:
135x12
185x8
225x8
245x10 PR by 2 Reps
DB Flat Flyes
45x12
60x10
75x8
DB Incline Press
60x12
75x10
90x8
Cable Crossovers
3 sets of 15
Flat BB dropset... This one is a bit weird but basically I load four 10 lb plates on each side, get 10 reps and drop a plate from each side and repeat. I go down to the bar only and get 10 reps, then I start adding a 10 lb plate on each side and get 10 reps or how many I can get. My workout partner loads and deloads the weight, so there is max of 5 sec rest between sets.
125x10
105x10
85x10
65x10
45x10
65x10
85x10
105x10
125x5
Start of PCT
Day 1: Thursday 6/23 Back/Shoulders
Pull-ups:
BWx12
BWx12
BWx15
T-Bar Row:
70x12
90x10
115x8
Iso-Row Machine
140x15
180x12
230x8
V-Bar Pull-downs
120x12
150x12
170x10
Seated shoulder press machine (The awkward one that goes up in a weird angle...)
20lbsx20
50x15
70x15
90x10
Leaning lateral raises:
25x12
25x12
30x10
Rear delts on Pec-Dec
90x15
140x8
80x15
KashMoni
Member
It's all good man, thank you very much.
Today is day 4 of PCT and my weight is still 180.
Day 2: Friday 6/24 Legs
Squats:
135x15
185x12
225x10
275x10
DB Romanian Deadlifts:
65x10
80x8
90x8
100x7
Isolated standing single leg hamstring curls:
50x12
50x12
50x12
Leg Extensions giant dropset:
115x25
100x15
90x10
70x10
60x10
50x10
40x10
30x10
20x10
Seated Calf raises:
90x15
90x15
90x15
Day 3 Saturday 6/25: Chest/Bi's
Incline BB:
135x12
185x10
205x8
225x3 I was very disappointed but oh well.
Decline BB:
185x8
225x8
245x10 Matched my PR from my last day on cycle, and the big difference was I started that workout with Decline, where as in this workout, it was my 2nd exercise.
Flat DB Flye's
40x12
55x10
70x8
Seated alternating DB curls:
30x12
40x8
50x8
Flat DB Press:
60x12
75x10
90x9
Spider Curls:
20x15
30x12
40x10
Single Arm Superman's:
55x10
70x8
Pull ups:
BWx15
BWx18
I'll be hitting the gym today, I'll have those numbers updated later.
KashMoni
Member
Sorry for not updating but school has been getting in the way lol. I took monday and tuesday off. On sunday I did shoulders but didnt write doen numbers.
I did set a PR for standing military press 135x7. So thats an increase of 2 reps.
Last night was supposed to be legs, but theres a huge pool party near campus, so I opted to do chest and figured ill get a leg workout in tonight
Wed 6/29
Decline BB
135x10
185x8
225x8
255x8
275x5 PR by 2 reps
Crossovers
3 sets
Flat DB press
60x5
70x5
80x5
90x5
100x5
vertical bench
1 set of 50 reps
DB seated shoulder press
45x12
55x10
65x8
75x5
Lateral raises both arms
25x12
30x10
30x10
Ill be going to the party soon and will be having my first beer in months. Will see how it goes
I did set a PR for standing military press 135x7. So thats an increase of 2 reps.
Last night was supposed to be legs, but theres a huge pool party near campus, so I opted to do chest and figured ill get a leg workout in tonight
Wed 6/29
Decline BB
135x10
185x8
225x8
255x8
275x5 PR by 2 reps
Crossovers
3 sets
Flat DB press
60x5
70x5
80x5
90x5
100x5
vertical bench
1 set of 50 reps
DB seated shoulder press
45x12
55x10
65x8
75x5
Lateral raises both arms
25x12
30x10
30x10
Ill be going to the party soon and will be having my first beer in months. Will see how it goes
KashMoni
Member
It was great! Pretty much a mini spring break type of situation. I drank way too much and paid the price the next day haha...
Here is 2 pics, the guy with the red arrow is me, and the 2nd pic is the following day with sunburns, haha.
I've kept my gains throughout PCT so far, and still at 180 LBS.
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I went to gym today for the first time in a few days, and decided to combine Legs & Back and go mediocre for the day as a warm up til I devote a full day to each group later on in the week.
Day 12 Monday: 7/4 Legs/Back
Squats
135x10
185x10
225x8
275x8
275x10
DB Romanian Deadlifts
65x8
75x8
85x8
95x8
Knee Extensions
3 sets 115x15
Hamstring curls
3 sets of 50x15
DB Overhead
75x10
90x8
105x7
T-Bar Row
70x12
90x10
115x8
Iso Low Row
180x10
230x8
230x10
Pull Ups
BWx17
KashMoni
Member
Thank you, thats good to know about the half life.
KashMoni
Member
Thank you Meister. Regarding Magna Mass & Havoc, I'm going to give you a straight up warning that maybe you should seriously consider taking one or the other, because Magna Mass contains Halodrol, Superdrol, & M-LMG, and depending on your cycle history, or lack of, it might be better to start with Havoc, just my 2 cents.
Half Lifes:
Havoc ~ Epistane = 6 hrs
M-LMG half life: 6-8 hours
H-drol: 16 hours
Superdrol: 8 hours
Very nice Kashmoni~ keep it up thru PCT
Thank you mw1, will definitely do, and this cycle wouldn't have been possible without your help and gymrat87's help months prior to ever purchasing the products.
just read this whole log. Looks nice man. Hopefully the torem and the extra PCT products will help you hold on to your gains and see your test levels go back to normal
Thank you mattrag, honestly the torem and extra PCT products are really coming through and i'm setting PR's in PCT.
Day 13 7/5 Chest
Flat BB:
135x8
185x8
225x8
245x8 PR by 3 Reps
DB Incline Press:
60x10
80x8
90x7
95x6
Cable Incline Flye's
35x10
50x8
65x8
65x8
Underhand Cable Crossovers
3 sets
Pec-Dec
150x10
190x8
220x8
KashMoni
Member
Sorry for not updating this as much, but last week was my finals week and I was busy as hell. I pulled a few all nighters, but it was worth it because I managed to pull out A's in the lab and lecture. With that said, I'm officially done with my B.A.
I spent the weekend resting up and allowing my body to get back to normal, and lifted yesterday. I gotta say, I'm absolutely loving this PCT phase, still setting PR's!
Today's workout will be a leg day, and I'm really looking forward to it, but for yesterday's workout, here is the numbers.
Day 19 7/11 Monday: Chest
Weight: 180 (+-0)
Decline BB:
135x8
185x8
225x8
275x7 PR by 2 Reps
Flat DB Press:
70x8
85x8
95x8
105x6
Pec Dec
150x10
190x10
220x8
Incline Cable Flyes
55x8
65x8
70x8
Vertical Bench
145x10
170x10
200x8
Explosive alternating push ups
2 sets of 12 with each arm
I spent the weekend resting up and allowing my body to get back to normal, and lifted yesterday. I gotta say, I'm absolutely loving this PCT phase, still setting PR's!
Today's workout will be a leg day, and I'm really looking forward to it, but for yesterday's workout, here is the numbers.
Day 19 7/11 Monday: Chest
Weight: 180 (+-0)
Decline BB:
135x8
185x8
225x8
275x7 PR by 2 Reps
Flat DB Press:
70x8
85x8
95x8
105x6
Pec Dec
150x10
190x10
220x8
Incline Cable Flyes
55x8
65x8
70x8
Vertical Bench
145x10
170x10
200x8
Explosive alternating push ups
2 sets of 12 with each arm
KashMoni
Member
Ah so I know I haven't updated this at all, but there isn't much to report. Strength has remained the same as I still moved the same weight for same reps on my compound stuff. I weighed in at 178 today, so that's -2 lbs after 30 days and can easily be attributed to my diet these past few days. Honestly I think I can go up to 180 by monday morning so not worried at all. I'll update this from time to time, especially with a final bloodwork once it's all said and done.
This was one amazing cycle and combination and I'm happy that CEL put out such great clones. Honestly I can't wait til my next cycle (epi) in nov-dec.
This was one amazing cycle and combination and I'm happy that CEL put out such great clones. Honestly I can't wait til my next cycle (epi) in nov-dec.
Bry17
Well-known member
Ah so I know I haven't updated this at all, but there isn't much to report. Strength has remained the same as I still moved the same weight for same reps on my compound stuff. I weighed in at 178 today, so that's -2 lbs after 30 days and can easily be attributed to my diet these past few days. Honestly I think I can go up to 180 by monday morning so not worried at all. I'll update this from time to time, especially with a final bloodwork once it's all said and done.
This was one amazing cycle and combination and I'm happy that CEL put out such great clones. Honestly I can't wait til my next cycle (epi) in nov-dec.
still cant believe the lack of suppression you experienced(not much anyway, ive seen test a lot lower lol). also liver values were awesome. at the gains you experienced, i'd say the ends more than justify the means. thumbs up!
KashMoni
Member
Thank you, on my last chest day.i did decline.285x3 after doing 275 x 6.....strength is still amazing and im back to 180....all is well.
