JD's APS Nutrition New Years Revolution!

[thebigt]

4 scoops of Meso would make me hurl, without a doubt!

hell, no way would i do 4 scoops meso!!!:fool2:

 

[JudgementDay]

Saturday did 1 hour of Kickboxing and worked all day.

Sunday took the day off training and worked all day.


MONDAY

Morning Weight- 187.5lbs


Morning Supps
Cardio health pack(Grape seed extract, CoQ10, phytosterols, Fish oil)
Shift- 1 cap
Erase- 1 cap
Cissus- 1 cap
TransMax- 1 cap
Reduce XT- 1 cap
CLA- 1 cap


Meal 1- GNC AMP Muscle Meal shake with milk

Cals: 530, Fat: 8g, Carbs: 45g, Pro: 65g


Pre-Workout
1M.R- 1 scoop
Creatine Nitrate- 5 caps(buddy gave me another serving today )
Cordygen Ultra- 3 caps
Cissus- 1 cap
G.C.S- 1 packet


Workout #1

Bench Press- 6 sets- 45x20, 135x10, 185x5, 225x5, 245x1, 275x1 Tied PR
Incline DB press- 3 sets- 50'sx8, 60'sx4, 80'sx4

Seated DB curls- 4 sets- 20'sx5, 40'sx5, 50'sx5, 60'sx5

Overhead Tricep extension machine- 6 sets 80x5, 150x5, 225x5, 250x5, 280x5, 300x5(max)

Pec dec machine- 7 sets- 80x5, 120x5, 150x5, 200x5, 250x5, 280x5, 300x5(max)

Reverse pec-dec- 3 sets- 50x10 slow, 50x10 slow, 50x10 slow

Standing alternating db curls 1 set- 40'sx20


Pressdowns 6 sets- 80x8, 120x8, 150x8, 180x8, 210x6, 225x6(max)

Super Set

Machine Preacher curls - 6 sets 80x10, 80x10, 70x8, 70x8, 80x10, 50x10


Cable Pulldowns- 1 set- 80'sx10

Incline Machine press- 4 sets 105x20, 105x15, 105x8, 105x5

Tri-Set
Dips- 10, 8, 5, 4
Wide grip Pull ups- 6, 5, 4, 3
Incline close grip clap push ups- 12, 12, 12, 12
Repeated 4 times


Then went straight to Swimming

Cardio

Swimming- 26 laps PR

Hot tub 10 min

Sauna 10 min



Post-Workout/ Meal 2
Noxident- 3 caps
Transmax- 1 cap
Cissus- 1 cap
CLA- 1 cap
Multi- 1 cap
Vitamin Water
Protein Blast
Nature Bar

Cals: 445, Fat: 9g, Carbs: 79g, Pro: 33g



Meal 3- Extra lean burger Pita and Fruit smoothie
Shift- 1 cap

Cals: 885, Fat: 22g, Carbs: 91g, Pro: 65g



Meal 4- Cottage Cheese
Reduce XT- 1 cap

Cals: 160, Fat: 0g, Carbs: 16g, Pro: 30g



Meal 5- Protein with water

Cals: 130, Fat: 0g, Carbs: 2g, Pro: 30g


Pre-Bed- 2 caps of Blue Growth


Total(Aprox)
Cals: 2150
Fat: 43g
Carbs: 233g
Pro: 223g


Quick Notes

Shift- My fav non-stim fat loss product EVER! I'm getting some nice leaning effects, cals are down starting today, but carbs still at a good spot.


Noxident- great ingredient profile and only costs $5.99 at Nutra!


Ultra Cordygen- Sick for endurance, def a keeper :yup:


Transmax- Really havn't noticed anything from taking this.


Reduce XT- I feel this is also helping me trim out and drys me out. Only thing that sucks is it really drys out my joints and stacked with Erase it drys out my joints even worse!


Erase- Love Erase, good aggression, boost in vascularity. this is my last week, just at 1 cap a day, stacked with reduce xt kills the joints but it's trimming me out so I'm trying to push past the joint pain lol


Blue Growth- Started last week, I figured I'll stack it with Erase for these last 2 weeks, I'll be out of everything by the end of the week!



Thoughts
Great training today, went to a new gym with a big pool, more machines, pretty sweet! Got 275 on the bench, tied my PR, hopefully my strength stays strong while leaning out. Swimming went better today, endurance is going up every week, really starting to feel good.

Tomorrow I will be doing Grappling techniques and drills in the morning, then boxing/ abs, lower back at night.

 

[ConcreteConny]

Have you tried dosing 1-2 caps Shift before bed?
Doesn't interfere with sleep, but for some it could. I recommend trying that and you'll be feeling tight in the morning

//CC

 

[JudgementDay]

Have you tried dosing 1-2 caps Shift before bed?
Doesn't interfere with sleep, but for some it could. I recommend trying that and you'll be feeling tight in the morning

//CC

I don't think I could take it before bed and sleep lol, I took one late at night and my body gets heated up lol

The stuff is working great!

 

[ConcreteConny]

I don't think I could take it before bed and sleep lol, I took one late at night and my body gets heated up lol

The stuff is working great!

Yeah I know the heat feeling :lol: It is incredible!
I just pop 2 before my head hits the pillow and no problems, other than night sweats onder:

 

[Rahl]

I've found that my hammies were a big part of my back problem to JD. I've been concentrating more on them as part of my core work.

 

[JudgementDay]

ugh really bad training today, I did 1 hour of ground technique and then did an hour of drills and grappling, I pulled my back AGAIN, ****in Killing!

At this point of non stop pulling my back, it's time to really start off from the beginning with rehab exercises.

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^I'll stick to this routine of lower back rehab 2 times a day and also do swimming twice a week, I'll stay away from grappling for the next couple weeks, I just need to focus on my back and get it strong, I keep pushing it too hard and just making it weaker everytime I pull it.

I'm gonna have to take the next few days off, I'll def be in bed all today and tomorrow, this sucks, gotta say it's a real downer and I'm going to pig out tonight on cheat meals

 

[Milas]

do some yoga, great for core.

 

[thebigt]

ugh really bad training today, I did 1 hour of ground technique and then did an hour of drills and grappling, I pulled my back AGAIN, ****in Killing!

At this point of non stop pulling my back, it's time to really start off from the beginning with rehab exercises.

Invalid Link Removed

^I'll stick to this routine of lower back rehab 2 times a day and also do swimming twice a week, I'll stay away from grappling for the next couple weeks, I just need to focus on my back and get it strong, I keep pushing it too hard and just making it weaker everytime I pull it.

I'm gonna have to take the next few days off, I'll def be in bed all today and tomorrow, this sucks, gotta say it's a real downer and I'm going to pig out tonight on cheat meals

really sorry to hear this, jd. get well soon!!!:bigok:

 

[Rahl]

ugh really bad training today, I did 1 hour of ground technique and then did an hour of drills and grappling, I pulled my back AGAIN, ****in Killing!

At this point of non stop pulling my back, it's time to really start off from the beginning with rehab exercises.

Invalid Link Removed

^I'll stick to this routine of lower back rehab 2 times a day and also do swimming twice a week, I'll stay away from grappling for the next couple weeks, I just need to focus on my back and get it strong, I keep pushing it too hard and just making it weaker everytime I pull it.

I'm gonna have to take the next few days off, I'll def be in bed all today and tomorrow, this sucks, gotta say it's a real downer and I'm going to pig out tonight on cheat meals

Man,hearing that just messed up my day! So sorry to hear that happened again man. Sometimes we just push before our bodies are ready and that **** happens. Find a use for the down time so it's not a total loss in your mind. Time to do some research!

 

[VolcomX311]

4 scoops of Meso and you may become telekinetic like Professor X from all the neuro stimulation.

hmmmm.....

Actually, for me, the 32g of Beta Alanine and accompanying parasthesia in 4 scoops would probably melt my skin off, lol.

 

[ConcreteConny]

4 scoops of Meso and you may become telekinetic like Professor X from all the neuro stimulation.

hmmmm.....

Actually, for me, the 32g of Beta Alanine and accompanying parasthesia in 4 scoops would probably melt my skin off, lol.

32g of Beta Alanine would cause some serious tingles :rofl:

 

[thebigt]

32g of Beta Alanine would cause some serious tingles :rofl:

not for me, lol. it aint gonna happen!!!:ntome:

 

[JudgementDay]

do some yoga, great for core.

Ya I def need to do those type of movements to improve my core.

really sorry to hear this, jd. get well soon!!!:bigok:

Thanks Tom!

Man,hearing that just messed up my day! So sorry to hear that happened again man. Sometimes we just push before our bodies are ready and that **** happens. Find a use for the down time so it's not a total loss in your mind. Time to do some research!

Ya really sucks this stuff happends, didn't expect it thats for sure. Only thing I've done with my down time to eat way too much junk food lol

4 scoops of Meso and you may become telekinetic like Professor X from all the neuro stimulation.

hmmmm.....

Actually, for me, the 32g of Beta Alanine and accompanying parasthesia in 4 scoops would probably melt my skin off, lol.

Ya that would be crazy lol

32g of Beta Alanine would cause some serious tingles :rofl:

not for me, lol. it aint gonna happen!!!:ntome:

Ya this dude is crazy for taking 4 scoops of Meso + 8 caps of CN and mixed with an energy drink lol, Maybe thats why he is benching 500, deadlifting 600 and squating 700 lol

 

[JudoJosh]

ugh really bad training today, I did 1 hour of ground technique and then did an hour of drills and grappling, I pulled my back AGAIN, ****in Killing!

At this point of non stop pulling my back, it's time to really start off from the beginning with rehab exercises.

Invalid Link Removed

^I'll stick to this routine of lower back rehab 2 times a day and also do swimming twice a week, I'll stay away from grappling for the next couple weeks, I just need to focus on my back and get it strong, I keep pushing it too hard and just making it weaker everytime I pull it.

I'm gonna have to take the next few days off, I'll def be in bed all today and tomorrow, this sucks, gotta say it's a real downer and I'm going to pig out tonight on cheat meals

Sorry to hear about the back JD

If you need any suggestions just ask I have a couple books on the subject

What is it that you are hurting? Is it just your back in general or a specific area?

Like Rahl said I think a GREAT deal of back injuries occur from tight hamstrings and hips, increasing flexibility and mobility in these areas usually helps with back problems

If you want to seek professional help I would visit a good Chrio and check out a ART therapist.

And of course stretch and self massage with a foam roller.

Hoping for a speedy recovery buddy!

 

[JudgementDay]

Sorry to hear about the back JD

If you need any suggestions just ask I have a couple books on the subject

What is it that you are hurting? Is it just your back in general or a specific area?

Like Rahl said I think a GREAT deal of back injuries occur from tight hamstrings and hips, increasing flexibility and mobility in these areas usually helps with back problems

If you want to seek professional help I would visit a good Chrio and check out a ART therapist.

And of course stretch and self massage with a foam roller.

Hoping for a speedy recovery buddy!

Thanks Josh!

In the middle in the lower left side of the back, the pain starts there, goes into the middle and goes into the top of the buttcheek next to the tail bone.

Now this bad pain will last about 5-6 days and everything is good but it does feel really weak when I bend over. I'm gonna have to try and strengthen with the rehab exercises and hamstring stretches in the youtube video I posted.

 

[JudoJosh]

I just sent you a PM but I will post here too

From your PM to me it sounds like your back pain is the result of repetitive strain. What this means is that it isnt the single act that is causing this but the result of a constant assault on your back. Most likely stretching wont help, yea it will provide some immeadiate paint relief but what you need to do is stablize your back in order to stop the spasms, remember your muscles tighten and spasm because it senses danger and it acts as a protection for the tissue of the spine.

Try this for stablization:

1. Pressups - 10 reps
• Get in a pushup position on the floor
• Take a breath in, then breathe out as you push yourself up
• Keep your hips on the floor and arch your back backwards
• Start slow and push a little further each time
• The exercise may hurt at first, but you'll feel better at the 8th rep

2. Hip extensions - 8 reps x 5 sec hold
• Turn over and lie on your back with your feet flat on the ground
• Push your hips up squeezing your glutes VERY tight
• Push through your heels
• Make sure you keep breathing naturally while you're holding at the top

3. Birddog (aka Horse stance horizontal) - 4 reps x 10 sec hold
• Move to all 4's
• Raise one arm at 45 degrees and the opposite leg straight back
• Don't arch your back or shift your hips at all
• Keep breathing naturally throughout the hold

4. Side bridges - 5 reps x 10 sec hold on each side
• Go on your side with your elbow right under your shoulder with your legs straight
• Raise your hips up high so that your body is flat
• If it's too difficult, bend your knees so you're on your knees instead of your feet

Also when you work ABS make sure you train the transverse abdominis (TVA).

Perform core work as part of your warmup also, the core, specifically the TVA and multifidus help to stablize the spine and including an activation movement in your warmup may help ensure you back will be stabilized throughout movements

I strongly suggest you visit a ART therapist. This is what they specialize in and would be able to offer the most help IMO.. check here to find a local practitioner Invalid Link Removed

Go for a massage, visit a chiropractor, soak in a hot tub with epsom salt, foam roll, work on your stretching your glutes, hamstrings and abdominals while strengthening your hip flexors and lower back muscles.

You have the right idea of trying to take it slow and waiting until you completely heal up before jumping back in.

See the attached image below. They are of some trigger point locations for the area where you described the pain. Try gettin a tennis ball and putting it in a looong tube sock and use it to sort of massage the points in the pics.

Again best of luck to you bud!

 

[JudgementDay]

Thanks Josh!

Yup the pictures you put up are right where it's hurting, here is the same pic with red coloured where it's killin

Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch

Press ups

Planks(including side bridges)

Crunches

Oblique crunches

Leg ins

Bridges

Bird Dog

Superman

Wall sit

Knee to chest


This is the rehab routine I'll be sticking too for the next few weeks, 2 times a day, 5 days a week.

 

[Milas]

Health Canada, to the rescue!!!! (in 6-8 months)

 

[JudgementDay]

Health Canada, to the rescue!!!! (in 6-8 months)

aha ya, not even gonna bother going to the doctors lol

 

[thebigt]

aha ya, not even gonna bother going to the doctors lol

that waiting list time must really suck.:soapbox:

 

[JudoJosh]

aha ya, not even gonna bother going to the doctors lol

Going to a doctor wouldnt even be worth it. The way a typical doctor would handle it is first see if it can be remedied via surgery and if not just prescribe pain pills and tell you to stop lifting

Thanks Josh!

Yup the pictures you put up are right where it's hurting, here is the same pic with red coloured where it's killin

Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch

Press ups

Planks(including side bridges)

Crunches

Oblique crunches

Leg ins

Bridges

Bird Dog

Superman

Wall sit

Knee to chest


This is the rehab routine I'll be sticking too for the next few weeks, 2 times a day, 5 days a week.

The dark dots in those pics are the trigger points and the shaded areas under the dot is the muscle and the area that is shaded using the lines are where the patient would feel the pain.

If the area where you pain is, similar to the shaded area in the first pic than my guess would be gluteus medius is where your problem is. Instead of trying to paraphrase and explain it in my own words I decide to just quote some parts from a book I have that may provide some insight and some relief suggestions

See the excerpted text below

Afflicted gluteus medius muscles pull the rim of your pelvis down, stiffening and flattening your lower back and adding to your disability. Chronic shortening of gluteus medius muscles caused by latent trigger points makes you stand and walk with your pelvis thrust forward. (1992: 159)

The common assumption is that pain in the low back is caused by some problem in the lumbar spine, such as arthritis, a herniated disk, disarticulated vertebrae, a compressed nerve, or a sacroiliac joint dysfunction. X-ray evidence of these spinal abnormalities is often used to justify surgery for low back pain, although such abnormalities are often found in people who never suffer low back pain. Pain from myofascial trigger points that remains after surgery can be greatly mystifying and frustrating to both doctor and patient. It's disturbing to think that trigger points may have been the only thing needing correction in the first place. (1992: 154-155)

Causes

Although the gluteus medius is no more than half the size of the gluteus maximus, it's still a very thick, strong muscle, whose primary function is allowing you to walk upright. Each time you take a step, the gluteus medius muscle of the opposite hip contracts to keep the pelvis from tilting when you lift your foot. As you walk along, the gluteus medius muscles take turns supporting the entire weight of the upper body. Because of the leverage at the hip, gluteus medius muscles have to alternately generate a force equal to more than twice the body weight.

Any additional demand or imbalance is compounded in this same way. For instance, consider that each pound of excess body weight adds two pounds to the workload of the gluteus medius muscles. You may have observed that heavy people often lumber or waddle, throwing their weight from side to side as they walk. This is the body's natural effort to protect itself by moving the weight fully over the leg with each step instead of requiring the gluteus medius muscles to lever it. Waddling may not look great, but don't knock it: it's pretty good body mechanics under the circumstances. Low back pain in pregnancy can be traced to trigger points in gluteal muscles caused by the stress of being temporarily "overweight."

Gluteus medius muscles can be overworked when you carry heavy weight while walking. Lifting while standing in place doesn't overtax the gluteus medius muscles, as long as the weight is distributed evenly between both feet.

Trigger points in the quadratus lumborum can sponsor trigger points in the gluteus medius. This is because the gluteus medius lies in the referral area for the quadratus lumborum. It's wise to search for tender spots in both muscles when you have low back pain.

Other potential causes of overload in these muscles are weight lifting, running, falls, aerobic exercise, and habitual weight-bearing on one side of the body, such as carrying a child always on the same hip. Standing or sitting still for long periods of time makes the gluteus medius vulnerable by encouraging stiffness. A common condition called Morton's foot can cause unstable foot placement, which can bring about trigger points in gluteus medius muscles. Morton's foot is discussed in detail in Chapter 10. (1999: 155-156)

As a safeguard for the gluteus medius muscles, don't stand on one leg to put on your pants. You can easily strain a muscle when you .catch a foot in a pants leg and unexpectedly have to catch your balance. Sit down to get both feet through, then stand to finish pulling your pants up. It may seem a little silly at first, but it's a habit that becomes increasingly valuable with the passing years.

You may prefer to take your injections in a hip rather than an arm or sl),oulggr. Just be aware that injections into a gluteus medius muscle can set up trigger points and leave you with an armoying backache. When this happens, it's good to be able to recognize a myofascial problem and know what to do about it.

Sitting a lot with your legs crossed is bad for these muscles, especially if you always cross the same leg. When you exercise, remember that moderate exercise done frequently is much safer and more efficient for strengthening than infrequent hard-driving sessions.

Wearing a wide pelvic belt during strenuous activity and while doing heavy lifting can give the gluteus medius muscles enough extra support to prevent their being overstressed. A six-inch wide elastic band worn over the hips is perfect for this. A man's jockstrap is available in this width. A woman's
girdle can also be useful for this purpose. Taking the precaction to wear such things can be the critical factor in warding off an unpleasant backache at the end of the day.

Treatment

The gluteus medius is under the gluteus maJomus, attaching along the rim of the ilium, the top of the hipbone. The other end attaches to the greater trochanter (tro-CAN-ter), the prominent lump at the top of the thighbone. Many muscles attach to the greater trochanter, because of the great leverage it gives for moving the thigh. This bony landmark sticks out on the side of your hip and you can locate it by feel. The relationship between the hipbone and the greater trochanter is shown in Figure 8.22.

To locate the gluteus medius, shift your weight to one foot while you feel for a contraction just below the top of the hipbone (Figure 8.23). The top of your hipbone may be a little higher in back than you may have thought; it can extend an inch or two above your belt line. You can also feel the gluteus medius contract just above the greater trochanter and a little to the rear. This is where you can qften find an especially bad gluteus medius trigger point overlying a common gluteus minimus trigger point. It's not unusual for all the muscles on one side of your buttocks to have trigger points at the same time.

Trigger points number 1 and number 2 in the gluteus medius may be hard to find, buried as they are under the gluteus maximus and some fat padding. Massage the gluteus medius with the same tools used with the maxim us, namely the tennis ball and the Thera Cane. You may have to press fairly hard to get to the!ll. Otherwise, try a hard rubber ball against a wall (Figure 8.24) A short, rolling stroke is most effective; continuous pressure can do more harm than good. Visualize irQning trigger points-pressing them flat.

For going really deep into the gluteal muscles, someone else's elbow is hard to beat. For this procedure, you lie on your stomach and the person with the elbow sits beside you. 1£ you let a friend or relative work on you, be sure they either already understand the concepts outlined in this book or are eager (or at least willing) to learn.

 

[JudgementDay]

Thanks for the info Josh! I def feel like this is what has happened to my back.

 

[JudgementDay]

Pre-workout
Mesomorph- half scoop
N.O Ignite- 1.5 scoops
Creatine Nitrate- 4 caps(friend gave me another 4 caps )
Xtend- 2 scoops
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Creatine Mono- 5g
Ultra-Cordygen- 3 caps
Shift- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Skeletal Balm-(rubbed on lower back)


Intra-Workout
Creatine Mono-5g
Athlytes ATP- 2 caps
Xtend- 4 scoops


Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Hamstring stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch
Press ups
Planks(including side bridges)
Crunches
Oblique crunches
Leg ins
Bridges(Forgot to do this one)
Bird Dog
Superman
Knee to chest

Chest, Shoudlers, Triceps, and Swimming
Bench Press- 5 sets 45x20/ 95x10/ 135x8/ 185x15/ 205x6
Incline DB Press- 3 sets 20'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 60'sx12
Incline DB Flys- 3 sets 30'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 50'sx8
Pec Dec Machine- 3 sets 120x12/ 210x12/ 250x6(max)
Cable CrossOvers- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 60'sx10/ 60'sx8
Upper Cable Crossovers- 3 sets 30'sx10/ 30'sx10/ 30'sx10
Incline Chest Press machine- 4 sets 70x15/ 90x12/ 105x8/ 70x10
Chest Press- 3 sets 120x10/ 135x10/ 150x6

Side Raises- 3 sets 15'sx15/ 25'sx12/ 35'sx10
SS
Overhead machine extension- 3 sets 120x12/ 180x10/ 250x8

Arnold Press- 3 sets 45x15/ 45x15/ 40'sx6
SS
Rope Pushdowns- 3 sets 105x12/ 120x10/ 150x10

Shoulder circuit- 3 sets 10'sx60/ 10'sx30/ 10'sx24
SS
Pressdowns circuit- 3 sets (10/10/10), (10/10/10), (10/10/10)

Shrugs- 3 sets hold 45lbs plates 10/10/10
SS
1 arm Reverse pressdown- 3 sets 60x10/ 50x10/ 50x8

Reverse DB bench press- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 35'sx10/ 40'sx12

Swimming 10 laps

Hot tub 10 min


Post-workout
Gatorade
Creatine Mono- 5g
Xtend- 2 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap






Update
WOW, well got to say Rahl was right, half scoop of Mesomorph and 1.5 scoops of N.O Ignite + Creatine Nitrate= the most crazy pre-workout combo!
Just amazing, the energy, drive and pumps were sick, I'm glade I ordered a tub of Meso from nutra. A+

My routine I will be sticking to until my back feels 100%

M- Chest, Tri's, Shoulders, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
T- Back, Biceps, Forearms, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
W- OFF
T- Boxing and back therapy 2x a day
F- Full body routine 50%, Swimming and back therappy routine 2x a day
S- Back therapy routine
S- OFF

Switching how I do weights for the next month, gonna just do a crazy amounts of sets and just tear the muscle up! I need a change up with weights.

For the back therapy routine I'm only gonna do it 1 time a day 5 times a week, just for this first week, my back needs to get used to it. Started Creatine Mono since I don't have any CN and I'll see how it goes, it's been a few days at 20g a day, def bloated already lol. Weights about 190lbs, which is a shock to me on how I wasn't able to train last week and all I did was eat like a pig, I have to thank Shift!

 

[ConcreteConny]

Ya this dude is crazy for taking 4 scoops of Meso + 8 caps of CN and mixed with an energy drink lol, Maybe thats why he is benching 500, deadlifting 600 and squating 700 lol

:lol:

 

[Rahl]

Pre-workout
Mesomorph- half scoop
N.O Ignite- 1.5 scoops
Creatine Nitrate- 4 caps(friend gave me another 4 caps )
Xtend- 2 scoops
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Creatine Mono- 5g
Ultra-Cordygen- 3 caps
Shift- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Skeletal Balm-(rubbed on lower back)


Intra-Workout
Creatine Mono-5g
Athlytes ATP- 2 caps
Xtend- 4 scoops


Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Hamstring stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch
Press ups
Planks(including side bridges)
Crunches
Oblique crunches
Leg ins
Bridges(Forgot to do this one)
Bird Dog
Superman
Knee to chest

Chest, Shoudlers, Triceps, and Swimming
Bench Press- 5 sets 45x20/ 95x10/ 135x8/ 185x15/ 205x6
Incline DB Press- 3 sets 20'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 60'sx12
Incline DB Flys- 3 sets 30'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 50'sx8
Pec Dec Machine- 3 sets 120x12/ 210x12/ 250x6(max)
Cable CrossOvers- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 60'sx10/ 60'sx8
Upper Cable Crossovers- 3 sets 30'sx10/ 30'sx10/ 30'sx10
Incline Chest Press machine- 4 sets 70x15/ 90x12/ 105x8/ 70x10
Chest Press- 3 sets 120x10/ 135x10/ 150x6

Side Raises- 3 sets 15'sx15/ 25'sx12/ 35'sx10
SS
Overhead machine extension- 3 sets 120x12/ 180x10/ 250x8

Arnold Press- 3 sets 45x15/ 45x15/ 40'sx6
SS
Rope Pushdowns- 3 sets 105x12/ 120x10/ 150x10

Shoulder circuit- 3 sets 10'sx60/ 10'sx30/ 10'sx24
SS
Pressdowns circuit- 3 sets (10/10/10), (10/10/10), (10/10/10)

Shrugs- 3 sets hold 45lbs plates 10/10/10
SS
1 arm Reverse pressdown- 3 sets 60x10/ 50x10/ 50x8

Reverse DB bench press- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 35'sx10/ 40'sx12

Swimming 10 laps

Hot tub 10 min


Post-workout
Gatorade
Creatine Mono- 5g
Xtend- 2 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap






Update
WOW, well got to say Rahl was right, half scoop of Mesomorph and 1.5 scoops of N.O Ignite + Creatine Nitrate= the most crazy pre-workout combo!
Just amazing, the energy, drive and pumps were sick, I'm glade I ordered a tub of Meso from nutra. A+

My routine I will be sticking to until my back feels 100%

M- Chest, Tri's, Shoulders, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
T- Back, Biceps, Forearms, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
W- OFF
T- Boxing and back therapy 2x a day
F- Full body routine 50%, Swimming and back therappy routine 2x a day
S- Back therapy routine
S- OFF

Switching how I do weights for the next month, gonna just do a crazy amounts of sets and just tear the muscle up! I need a change up with weights.

For the back therapy routine I'm only gonna do it 1 time a day 5 times a week, just for this first week, my back needs to get used to it. Started Creatine Mono since I don't have any CN and I'll see how it goes, it's been a few days at 20g a day, def bloated already lol. Weights about 190lbs, which is a shock to me on how I wasn't able to train last week and all I did was eat like a pig, I have to thank Shift!

That's a lot of work! LOL I knew you would love that combo man! I'm going to try the full scoop of meso and 1 scoop of N.O. but I think I'll wait till next week and hope my arm is feeling better by then.

 

[JudgementDay]

That's a lot of work! LOL I knew you would love that combo man! I'm going to try the full scoop of meso and 1 scoop of N.O. but I think I'll wait till next week and hope my arm is feeling better by then.

Ya the workout is killer, but I wanna try and just kill the body with weights and really shock the muscle, may get better gains or overtrain the muscle, only one way to find out LOL

Wow, I'll put an update tonight, but I did 3/4th a scoop of Mesomorph and 1 scoop of N.O Ignite, holy...I don't think I'll ever try 1 scoop of Meso and 1 scoop of N.O Ignite, it would be way to much stim for me, 3/4th+1 was crazy enough for me!

 

[packers6211]

Nice job bro, as long as I've known you, this is my first time on one of your logs. I like your training methods and my GOD I thought I took some supps. I'm about to get me some more meso to take with my andorhard and androlean. I hear the new watermelon is awesome. Hope that back get's to feeling better.

Pre-workout
Mesomorph- half scoop
N.O Ignite- 1.5 scoops
Creatine Nitrate- 4 caps(friend gave me another 4 caps )
Xtend- 2 scoops
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Creatine Mono- 5g
Ultra-Cordygen- 3 caps
Shift- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Skeletal Balm-(rubbed on lower back)


Intra-Workout
Creatine Mono-5g
Athlytes ATP- 2 caps
Xtend- 4 scoops


Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Hamstring stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch
Press ups
Planks(including side bridges)
Crunches
Oblique crunches
Leg ins
Bridges(Forgot to do this one)
Bird Dog
Superman
Knee to chest

Chest, Shoudlers, Triceps, and Swimming
Bench Press- 5 sets 45x20/ 95x10/ 135x8/ 185x15/ 205x6
Incline DB Press- 3 sets 20'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 60'sx12
Incline DB Flys- 3 sets 30'sx8/ 40'sx8/ 50'sx8
Pec Dec Machine- 3 sets 120x12/ 210x12/ 250x6(max)
Cable CrossOvers- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 60'sx10/ 60'sx8
Upper Cable Crossovers- 3 sets 30'sx10/ 30'sx10/ 30'sx10
Incline Chest Press machine- 4 sets 70x15/ 90x12/ 105x8/ 70x10
Chest Press- 3 sets 120x10/ 135x10/ 150x6

Side Raises- 3 sets 15'sx15/ 25'sx12/ 35'sx10
SS
Overhead machine extension- 3 sets 120x12/ 180x10/ 250x8

Arnold Press- 3 sets 45x15/ 45x15/ 40'sx6
SS
Rope Pushdowns- 3 sets 105x12/ 120x10/ 150x10

Shoulder circuit- 3 sets 10'sx60/ 10'sx30/ 10'sx24
SS
Pressdowns circuit- 3 sets (10/10/10), (10/10/10), (10/10/10)

Shrugs- 3 sets hold 45lbs plates 10/10/10
SS
1 arm Reverse pressdown- 3 sets 60x10/ 50x10/ 50x8

Reverse DB bench press- 3 sets 30'sx12/ 35'sx10/ 40'sx12

Swimming 10 laps

Hot tub 10 min


Post-workout
Gatorade
Creatine Mono- 5g
Xtend- 2 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap






Update
WOW, well got to say Rahl was right, half scoop of Mesomorph and 1.5 scoops of N.O Ignite + Creatine Nitrate= the most crazy pre-workout combo!
Just amazing, the energy, drive and pumps were sick, I'm glade I ordered a tub of Meso from nutra. A+

My routine I will be sticking to until my back feels 100%

M- Chest, Tri's, Shoulders, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
T- Back, Biceps, Forearms, swimming and back therapy routine 2x a day
W- OFF
T- Boxing and back therapy 2x a day
F- Full body routine 50%, Swimming and back therappy routine 2x a day
S- Back therapy routine
S- OFF

Switching how I do weights for the next month, gonna just do a crazy amounts of sets and just tear the muscle up! I need a change up with weights.

For the back therapy routine I'm only gonna do it 1 time a day 5 times a week, just for this first week, my back needs to get used to it. Started Creatine Mono since I don't have any CN and I'll see how it goes, it's been a few days at 20g a day, def bloated already lol. Weights about 190lbs, which is a shock to me on how I wasn't able to train last week and all I did was eat like a pig, I have to thank Shift!

 

[JudgementDay]

Nice job bro, as long as I've known you, this is my first time on one of your logs. I like your training methods and my GOD I thought I took some supps. I'm about to get me some more meso to take with my andorhard and androlean. I hear the new watermelon is awesome. Hope that back get's to feeling better.

Thanks bro!

I havn't been able to show my full potential of hard training, but once my back is good to go I'm gonna get into great fight shape and start competing.

aha ya I'm a supplement whore lol

After the next few weeks I'm taking a full 3 week break of nothing and then you havn't seen nothing yet because my next stack will be the craziest yet!!!!!

 

[JudgementDay]

Pre-workout
Mesomorph- 3/4th scoop
N.O Ignite- 1 scoop
Xtend- 2 scoops
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Creatine Mono- 5g
Ultra-Cordygen- 3 caps
Shift- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Skeletal Balm-(



Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch
Hamstring stretch
Press ups
Planks(including side bridges)
Crunches
Oblique crunches
Leg ins
Bridges
Bird Dog
Superman
Knee to chest


Back, Biceps, Forearms, and Swimming
Seated DB Curls- 5 sets 20'sx10, 30'sx6, 40'sx5, 60'sx7, 70'sx2

Wide grip Pull ups- 8 sets Bodyweight 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 reps

Hammer Curls- 8 set DROP SET- 50'sx5, 45'sx5, 40'sx5, 35'sx5, 30'sx5, 25'sx5, 20'sx5, 15'sx5

Close Hammer Grip Pull up on machine +60lbs support- 5 sets 5,5,5,5,5 reps, each set was all very slow reps.

Preacher Curl machine- 5 sets 50x12, 70x8, 80x8, 90x6, 40x15

Cable Pulldowns- 3 sets 80'sx12, 105'sx10, 150x6
SUPER SET
Cable flex curls- 3 sets 45'sx12, 60'sx8, 80'sx5

DB Wrist curl circuit- 5 sets 20'sx 20,20,20,20,20

Swimming 30 laps PR!

Hot tub 10 min

Intra-Workout
Gatorade
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 2 caps
Xtend- 2 scoops

Post-workout
Gatorade Recovery
Xtend- 4 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Multi-Vit- 1 cap




Thoughts

Well I'm super PUMPED, my cardio is feeling better and better, I got 30 Laps for swimming, I just started adding swimming in my routine so I'm stoked I'm at 30, next goal is 40 laps!

Well tried 3/4th scoop of Meso, 1 scoop N.O Ignite, holy Meso is freaking strong, took half a scoop less of n.o ignite and only 1/4th scoop more of Meso and wow energy was just crazy, a little too high, I think I'll stick to half scoop of Meso and 1.5 scoops of n.o ignite. I may play with the dosing a bit but I believe yesterday was right on spot....but todays workout and swimming went amazing.....time will tell which dosing I prefer lol

Tomorrow is my off day, thursday I'm gonna do a boxing workout.

 

[Rahl]

Pre-workout
Mesomorph- 3/4th scoop
N.O Ignite- 1 scoop
Xtend- 2 scoops
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Creatine Mono- 5g
Ultra-Cordygen- 3 caps
Shift- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Skeletal Balm-(



Back Rehab Workout
Knee in stretch
Pelvic tlits
Cat and Camel stretch
Hamstring stretch
Press ups
Planks(including side bridges)
Crunches
Oblique crunches
Leg ins
Bridges
Bird Dog
Superman
Knee to chest


Back, Biceps, Forearms, and Swimming
Seated DB Curls- 5 sets 20'sx10, 30'sx6, 40'sx5, 60'sx7, 70'sx2

Wide grip Pull ups- 8 sets Bodyweight 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 reps

Hammer Curls- 8 set DROP SET- 50'sx5, 45'sx5, 40'sx5, 35'sx5, 30'sx5, 25'sx5, 20'sx5, 15'sx5

Close Hammer Grip Pull up on machine +60lbs support- 5 sets 5,5,5,5,5 reps, each set was all very slow reps.

Preacher Curl machine- 5 sets 50x12, 70x8, 80x8, 90x6, 40x15

Cable Pulldowns- 3 sets 80'sx12, 105'sx10, 150x6
SUPER SET
Cable flex curls- 3 sets 45'sx12, 60'sx8, 80'sx5

DB Wrist curl circuit- 5 sets 20'sx 20,20,20,20,20

Swimming 30 laps PR!

Hot tub 10 min

Intra-Workout
Gatorade
Glycergrow- 2 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 2 caps
Xtend- 2 scoops

Post-workout
Gatorade Recovery
Xtend- 4 scoops
Athlytes ATP- 1 cap
Super Cissus- 1 cap
Multi-Vit- 1 cap




Thoughts

Well I'm super PUMPED, my cardio is feeling better and better, I got 30 Laps for swimming, I just started adding swimming in my routine so I'm stoked I'm at 30, next goal is 40 laps!

Well tried 3/4th scoop of Meso, 1 scoop N.O Ignite, holy Meso is freaking strong, took half a scoop less of n.o ignite and only 1/4th scoop more of Meso and wow energy was just crazy, a little too high, I think I'll stick to half scoop of Meso and 1.5 scoops of n.o ignite. I may play with the dosing a bit but I believe yesterday was right on spot....but todays workout and swimming went amazing.....time will tell which dosing I prefer lol

Tomorrow is my off day, thursday I'm gonna do a boxing workout.

Hahhaha! So maybe I got lucky and nailed that combo dose on the first time out huh? I might just heed your advice here. LOL

Awesome job on the swimming. That's a **** load of laps. I would drown.

 

[JudgementDay]

Hahhaha! So maybe I got lucky and nailed that combo dose on the first time out huh? I might just heed your advice here. LOL

Awesome job on the swimming. That's a **** load of laps. I would drown.

I think you got the combo right indeed!

Thanks bro, first time I really enjoyed the swimming, I was able to push myself more, a few weeks ago when I tried swimming I was dead at 10 laps and thats not doing a workout before the swim lol

 

[Rahl]

I think you got the combo right indeed!

Thanks bro, first time I really enjoyed the swimming, I was able to push myself more, a few weeks ago when I tried swimming I was dead at 10 laps and thats not doing a workout before the swim lol

Wow! That's a huge difference. See, I would literally be dead (read..drowned) at 10 laps!

 

[packers6211]

Yeah bro I know your back is keeping you from beasting it up. You'll be kicking the gym weights around soon I know. I'm enjoying everyday lifting, but can't go as much as i want to right now with both sons in baseball. I hear on the supps bro. I'm going to stack Androlean, Androhard, APS white lightening, and mesomorph. Sick man Sick

Nice job bro, as long as I've known you, this is my first time on one of your logs. I like your training methods and my GOD I thought I took some supps. I'm about to get me some more meso to take with my andorhard and androlean. I hear the new watermelon is awesome. Hope that back get's to feeling better.

 

[JudgementDay]

Thinking for my June 6th stack I would run this, any thoughts? yay or nay?


Anabolic...Test Boosting...Anti-Estrogen...GH boosting stack!
Dermacrine RLS (6 weeks 3-8)
AndroLean (4 weeks 5-8)
Natadrol- 6 caps (8 weeks 1-8) Natty Anabolic
Testalensis 100- 3 caps (6 weeks 3-8) Bulbine/Fadogia/L-Dopa
Forma stanzol- 10 pumps(100mg forma) (4 weeks 5-8) Formestane
Nettle Root
LCLT- 3gs



Pre-Workout
Mesomorph
N.O Ignite
Nitrozine
Cordy Ultra
Taurine


Post-Workout
Powershock
RecoveryPRO


Staple Supps
CLA
Shift
Super Cissus
Low Carb Protein
Better Protein Bars
Power Peanut butter





PCT- 4 weeks
Testalensis 100- 3 caps(week 1&2)
TestatropinV2- 8 caps (4 weeks 1-4) DAA + goodies
Triazole- 3 caps
Bullet Proof


Pre-Workout
Mesomorph
Creatine Nitrate
Taurine


Intra-Drink
Strive


Post-Workout
Power Shock
Nos Ether


Staple Supps
Need2slin
Super Cissus
Better Protein Bars
Power Peanut butter
Low Carb Protein

 

[packers6211]

Good night man for the love of God did you rob a bank or hit the lotto??? Yeah that is a sick stack man I'm gona have to load up and counter attack lol nah. Def interested on how the serms works.

 

[JudgementDay]

lol

Na I dont' have any of this yet besides prob having half a tub of Meso and N.O Ignite which will last me a month into that stack. Also will have some Natadrol in a week.

But ya none of this is a done deal yet, but the next stack I do want to run will be crazy, just not sure when it will be lol.

Just wanted to know if this stack and pct is a yay or nay .....I"m guessing it's a YAY

 

[packers6211]

Shoot yeah man that would be a wicked stack. Get that back better and you can go for your pro card!!

 

[JudgementDay]

Shoot yeah man that would be a wicked stack. Get that back better and you can go for your pro card!!

aha well I do train with a couple pros and hold my own, hopefully in the future I will get that chance, but your right! First things first I need to get the back going!

Gotta say the doms I'm feeling from switching up my routine are crazy!!!, This has to be a good thing, all the high amount of sets def killin the muscles, also the swimming gives a nice pump after lifting, can't wait to see how this routine goes for me in the next few weeks.

 

[JudgementDay]

Well I have to say the DOMS are crazy!!!!, I have been eating way too much since I re-pulled my back last week and just weighed myself and says 196.5lbs :O 10 damn pounds, I know a lot is water plus the Creatine mono and glycergrow has got me holding more water, but tomorrow I'm going back to more of a strict diet.

OUT WITH THE TOXINS AND IN WITH THE BCAA'S
So ya, feeling very sore and bloated, so I just filled up my 2.2L Jug and put 6 scoops of Xtend and 5g of Creatine in there, Im gonna drink 1/3rd of it, pop 1 cap of Cissus, then hit the Sauna for 40min, come out do some hot and cold water therapy in the shower, then drink my other 2/3rds, pop 1 cap of Athlytes ATP and 5 caps of Blue Growth, then call it a night

EDIT: I drank lots of water/xtend before I went in the sauna weight was 198lbs and stayed in 1 hour and 5 min, post weight was 191.8lbs, felt a little dead so I added 40g of Dextrose in.

 

[Rahl]

That's quite the stack even for you brotha! LOL

Are you planning the Forma 10 pumps total or 10 and 10? I ran it at 10 and 10 for 6 weeks and tapered to 6.

 

[Milas]

IMHO, I wouldn't spend that much on it. You can get better effects from a $25 bottle of Phorce or Phreak. Save the Osta for PCT on that, and you've got a cheap, effective 8 week stack that will add serious strength and mass you can keep.

I've finally learned where to put my priorities with weight lifting, and it isn't supplements. My attention is now on eating and training right. I barely even use protein powder except to flavor my food (oats, cheesecake, etc.). Things like Fitday.com to track food, HRM to track exertion (not necessary), Intermittent Fasting to control caloric intake (liking it so far, jury is still out though), and more focused training with attention to mind/muscle connection. I feel so much better not taking 30-40 pills a day!

Granted supplements give you a boost in certain areas, and I like them for those purposes, but honestly I think you're going too far with it JD. Not trying to bash, just want to help. However, I think it only comes with experience, and you have to live it to learn it.

I hope you get what you want out of it, but my opinion would be to focus on the big things and not let the rest clutter your Judgement (Mr. Day).

 

[JudgementDay]

Did you not enjoy your run with Ostarine? I'm was thinking Ostarine or s4....and if not just go back to my first plan and just add Dermacrine.

Not really wanting to try anything like Phreak, thats why I wanted to try Ostarine, just wanted to stay away from any PH's/side effects, the feedback from Ostarine seems like there is almost 0 negative side effects and much safer then a PH, so thats why I wanted to go with that.

I'm hoping my APS order gets in soon so really I won't have to be worring about buying the whole stack + will already have the Natadrol and N.O Ignite. So besides out of the normal, the only things I really need to get is Ostarine, Forma, Nettle Root, LCLT, Cordy Ultra and Shift. I do see your point, it would be 28 pills a day which is crazy, but I do feel safer doing that then taking some PH's.

 

[Milas]

JD, you already took a PH! AndroHard is a PH.

I would also say the dangers of PH's are not too big a concern if used responsibly. If you choose to remain "natural" that's fine, but I still wouldn't use all the stuff you're proposing. 28 pills a day, do you know that's "safe?"

I had no side effects from Ostarine, but then again I had no side effects from my PH/DS ****tail of 5 different compounds!

However, Ostarine and SARMS in general have not finished clinical studies, so there's no information on safety. If you're concerned with health/safety of PH's, SARMS are a bigger mystery as to long-term side effects are concerned. Who knows, it may cause cancer long term, it hasn't been studied.

PH's are actually not all bad and evil the way they get portrayed, most people feel awesome when on (SD an exception for lethargy, but great for strength & alpha). If you're careful with liver, lipid, and BP then you shouldn't have issues. It's the abusers that do it wrong. The results are incredible compared to any natural supplement.

I'm not going to push, even though I realize I already kinda did, but I feel if I'm going to invest in something I want a good payback and to know the risks. IMO, your stack will have a pretty small ROI compared to slimming it down some.

Again, just trying to watch out for you, from someone who's been there and done that!

 

[JudoJosh]

I pretty much agree with Milas but I don't think your proposed supplements are excessive, only thing I would ditch is the SARM and that's only because I don't know much about it

BTW what's HRM milas?

 

[JudgementDay]

JD, you already took a PH! AndroHard is a PH.

I would also say the dangers of PH's are not too big a concern if used responsibly. If you choose to remain "natural" that's fine, but I still wouldn't use all the stuff you're proposing. 28 pills a day, do you know that's "safe?"

I had no side effects from Ostarine, but then again I had no side effects from my PH/DS ****tail of 5 different compounds!

However, Ostarine and SARMS in general have not finished clinical studies, so there's no information on safety. If you're concerned with health/safety of PH's, SARMS are a bigger mystery as to long-term side effects are concerned. Who knows, it may cause cancer long term, it hasn't been studied.

PH's are actually not all bad and evil the way they get portrayed, most people feel awesome when on (SD an exception for lethargy, but great for strength & alpha). If you're careful with liver, lipid, and BP then you shouldn't have issues. It's the abusers that do it wrong. The results are incredible compared to any natural supplement.

I'm not going to push, even though I realize I already kinda did, but I feel if I'm going to invest in something I want a good payback and to know the risks. IMO, your stack will have a pretty small ROI compared to slimming it down some.

Again, just trying to watch out for you, from someone who's been there and done that!

lol, I know Androhard is a PH, never said I never took one or will never take one, just at 22 I don't want to take any harsh compounds. But for Dermacrine and Androhard I'm not to worry about the side effects of DHEA and Androsterone.

I have nothing against any PH's or DS's, just I myself don't want to take anything hardcore at my age and also anything hard on the liver. I may take some good PH's in the future, but just not yet, I believe you they are by far better then any natural supplement results wise. I see your point on the Ostarine still being at the beginning stages, but so far all the feedback is pretty great. Again I just may go with something like Dermarine, not really sure yet.

 

[Milas]

HRM - Heart Rate Monitor

 

[Rahl]

I side with Milas on the Sarms. I've stayed away from them until possible long term sides are more identified.

 

[JudgementDay]

I side with Milas on the Sarms. I've stayed away from them until possible long term sides are more identified.

Then I will take your guys advice

How does everyone think about running RLS Dermacrine instead of the Sarm?

 

[Rahl]

Then I will take your guys advice

How does everyone think about running RLS Dermacrine instead of the Sarm?

I'm always o.k. with Dermacrine.