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"But i want to get big AND ripped!" How to run a RECOMP cycle

UnrealMachine said:
halfhuman said:
hmmm i like carbs post wo but that is pretty late in the day for you. I think you should experiment with it
the sweet spot for T3 is usually around 75mcg I think. And yes everyday
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Yea i figured that..Thats why i didnt want to intake carbs post...Maybe with a nutrient partitioner?
Yea ill experiment the dosing...
Question tomms black friday and im going supps and ph shopping lol....This is my 1st ph cycle, now what cycle would u recommend after this one? so i can have it in stock...btw ty
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halfhuman said:
Yea i figured that..Thats why i didnt want to intake carbs post...Maybe with a nutrient partitioner?
Yea ill experiment the dosing...
Question tomms black friday and im going supps and ph shopping lol....This is my 1st ph cycle, now what cycle would u recommend after this one? so i can have it in stock...btw ty
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recommend a cycle? Beastdrol to Epi-strong bridge... one of the best OTC cycles you can run IMO. Just start the doses low and bring them up slowly. SD and Epi are fantastic compounds.
if you make any Black Friday orders here are some codes I can give you:
25offall for 25% off @ NTBM.com
blackfriday for 20% off @ Mr. Supps
 
One thing I did forget to mention about being on MK-2866. My strength for the last 4 weeks has stayed exactly the same. i haven't gone up or down in weight on any exercise. However, this week I was able to go up on most of my lifts. Not by a lot but when you consider that I was on cycle and had leveled out and now I'm on PCT and my strength is going back up. That makes me very happy to say the least.

Now we'll see if that's actually because of the Ostarine or because I seem to have more energy. Of course it does stand to reason that I could have more energy because of the Ostarine.
 
UnrealMachine said:
recommend a cycle? Beastdrol to Epi-strong bridge... one of the best OTC cycles you can run IMO. Just start the doses low and bring them up slowly. SD and Epi are fantastic compounds.
if you make any Black Friday orders here are some codes I can give you:
25offall for 25% off @ NTBM.com
blackfriday for 20% off @ Mr. Supps
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OK thanx unreal! Im going to place the order in a few...Just clarify and break it down please on how to bridge and pct needed :-) also is the sides high? and what would they be?
 
doesn't have to do with recomping so its off topic... I'm writing you a PM i will take care of you
 
LiveNDie said:
What do you guys thing of this as a recomp stack, see post 8 i thinkInvalid Link Removed
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My take on that is that you have created an impossible goal for your recomp (5-15 pounds of LBM while dropping 6-10% bodyfat WTF!?!) and attempted to compensate for it with a ludicrous amount of steroids, peptides, and supplements.

If you want to spend that much money on all that stuff it's up to you though. Personally i would keep things simpler.
 
Hey Unreal I want to get big and ripped but I'm scared of putting on too much muscle...

:lol:

Subbed for the good information.
 
someone needs to go in and help regulate the mis information going on in that m1t training thread. cause there is too much stupid for me to handle.
 
what is the the thought process behind the tren/phera bridge??

why not just run one like you are with epi?
 
jack98 said:
what is the the thought process behind the tren/phera bridge??

why not just run one like you are with epi?
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thought process for that one is probably something like "tren is good, phera is good, so tren/phera bridge is good"

Epi is good too. But you can recomp on phera. I did. I respond better to phera than to Epi... everyone is different and should cycle differently.
 
UnrealMachine said:
How To Run a Recomp Cycle

I hear this all the time
"I want to get bigger and rip up a bit"
"Starting my cycle, looking to lean up and add a bit more size"

If this is you, and you want to add muscle AND lose fat simultaneously, then what you want is a RECOMP. Not a cut with a generous diet, not a clean bulk, but a change in body composition while maintaining the same bodyweight. This is about slowly adding quality, keepable LBM while slowly shedding off bodyfat, sounds good right?
Recomping is also the hardest phase you can go through

Recomping involves the intense weight training of a bulk, with almost as much calories too, but with the dietary discipline and cardio of a cut. You are trying to bulk and cut simultaneously, so you have to bulk and cut simultaneously.

Cardio
If your bulking is usually lifting 4x a week, and your cutting involves doing cardio everyday, then you need to do all of that on a recomp! Like doing cardio every morning, and then coming back in the afternoon to lift. Or lifting in the morning, and coming back in the evening to do cardio. At the very least, you're looking at something like 4x a week weights and 3x a week cardio.
The idea with cardio is just like on a cutting cycle, since you're on cycle, catabolism isn't much of a factor, you need to abuse that and use cardio to just strip the fat off. Personally, i did cardio about everyday, and lifted 4x a week. Overall, i went to the gym 10x a week.

Diet
The diet on a recomp is really hard, basically you need to eat almost as many calories as on a bulk... significantly above maintenance, but not as much as your all out bulks. The extra cals above maintenance is fine, you're going to rely on nutrient repartitioning to use the extras to build muscle, and all the cardio means any extra cals are getting burned up.
What's most successful IMO is a carb cycling type of diet but of course this should depend on what works for YOU. What I felt was really successful on my recomp cycle last summer was lifting in the AM with carbs pre-WO, post workout, and modest carbs in meal 3. Meals 4/5 no carbs, then cardio around 7pm, then no carbs meal 6. The idea is to get carbs pre-WO for energy and post-WO for insulin response and nourishing your muscle of course. After that you cut the carbs out, by the time evening cardio comes around, should be easier to transition into fat burning.
If you can handle carbs better than me then this is going to be crazy and unnecessary. But it worked for me. Most people will generally benefit from enforcing the carb cutoff anyway.

Weights
I really think 4x a week is a good #, you might be able to get away with DC training though... or EOD training. You want to lift as if you were bulking. I just try to lift for strength mainly. I would strive more towards intensity and high weight than towards volume... volume training is better suited to an environment with more extra calories.

Anabolics
The most important thing here is that you want a cycle that allows for some duration. A 4 week cycle won't work because the recomp process is a slow process. Really, 6, 7, or 8+ week cycles are needed. For the PH users here this means you'll be limited to nonmthyls like Tren, or long Hdrol cycles, maybe some kind of stack in there with other nonmethyls. With the good methyls, your best options are bridged cycles and pulsed cycles.

Examples:

straight cycle
1) Hdrol 75/75/100/100/100/100
+ nonmethyl of choice
2) Tren 90-120mg for 6 weeks
+ nonmethyl of choice

bridge
3) Phera 30/30/30/30
Tren 00/00/00/60/90/90/90

pulse
4) SD Pulse: 3x a week at 20mg then 30mg for 6 weeks total. DC training on SD pulse days

Just throwing some ideas around... I don't think the choice of anabolic matters so much as being able to run the compound a long time. Strong compounds like Phera and tren can work great. Strong compounds like Superdrol can work great! Steroids that are "bulkers" and help to add tons of LBM just mean you can do even more cardio without hurting muscle gains.

Really, you are balancing an equation. The more anabolic strength you have pushing towards weightgain are balanced by more cardio.

Injectable users are in luck because then you can run some duration and do this properly. Compounds like real trenbolone come to mind. Test prop and tren ace for 8-10 weeks, 'nuff said.

Weightloss Drugs
Very important! First of all you might want to run something along with your cycle, like clenbuterol or T3. In this case, T3 is my absolute favorite. T3 + anabolics can effectively be the core of the cycle, they function as your anabolic agent, and your weightloss/catabolic agent. IMO, the combination of clen and T3 is too much for a recomp cycle and you'll have a hard time making any size/strength gains. Clen is rumored to be anti-catabolic but NOT SO in my experience.
The other thing you'll want to have on hand is stimulants. The ECA stack is pretty solid, I love having ephedrine on hand. If you do what I did and cutoff carbs for hours and hours, it's convenient to stim yourself up for your cardio. Especially if you are more dependent on carbs for energy.
One thing to remember is that Clen and Ephedrine hit the same beta-2 receptors so you don't wanna stack them. So T3 + EC before cardio is my favorite...

Putting it all Together
In conclusion, to recomp, eat as clean as possible but a bit above maintenance calories. Lift like you're bulking, but also work in as much cardio as if you were cutting. Manage your diet and carbohydrate intake so as to bias your carbs around the workout and minimize them around cardio.
Add anabolics for a 6-8 week period, and pump enough cardio and/or clen/T3 to to strip off bodyfat.

Example
Epi 30/30/40/40/40/40mg (some people might need 50 or even 60mg)
T3 25/25-50/75/75/50-25/25mcg
EC stack for cardio

The reason I love recomps so much is that they have the most keepable gains. A small amount of LBM is added over a long period of time, and fat lost is unlikely to rebound.
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why not just lift weights and go straight to cardio Like I do.
I like 15 HITT.
 
i think it's ok to do up to like 20 minutes of cardio after your workout. I've been doing that but I am *very* concerned about catabolism so I sip on glutamine while I do the cardio.

Generally however I like to do cardio for more like 40 minutes and IMO that's too long to do after a lifting session.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i think it's ok to do up to like 20 minutes of cardio after your workout. I've been doing that but I am *very* concerned about catabolism so I sip on glutamine while I do the cardio.

Generally however I like to do cardio for more like 40 minutes and IMO that's too long to do after a lifting session.
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Yeah I like to do 20mins post workout(light cardio) 3x a week. Unreal you should get some cheap BCAA's to sip on during your cardio. Xtend is a good choice, if you can find a good deal on it :439:

Wait i know you said your getting gear though, so you can pop them like the middle of your workout that way they've kicked in before you hit the cardio ;)
 
hey unreal machine i was hoping your could help me out on this one am new to this site btw some dude form another site told me to dig u out from this side and talk to u ..he said u are the person to talk to for the expertise for t-3 cytomel my cycle and questions look like this:hey buyz plaine on running t-3 cytomel and epistane clone
some of u guyz mit preach me bout t-3 being to harsh for the average dude...sayin its not worth it..... but i understand the consequences and i mit not run it if convinced not to cuz health is a priority to me

t-3 facts that i have found it correct me if im wrong

12.5 mcg is safe and wont shut ur natural thyroid system down after use of cycle ?

but im planin on doin the pyramid Days - Dose in MCG
1-5.......... 12.5
6-10.......... 25
11-15.......... 50
16-25.......... 75
26-30.......... 50
31-35.......... 25
36-40.......... 12.5
?
PCT FOR THYROID WOULD BE A 3 DAYS CARB UP FOR AND KEEPING MY CARDIO INTENSITY UP LIKE MAD UP FOR FAT GAIN REBOUND !!DUE TO LOW LEVELS OF NATURAL THYDROID FUNCTION
ALONG WITH EPISTANE CLONE
20/30/30/30/30/30
PCT
10/10/20/20

BEFORE CYCLE START SUPPS
PRELOAD
HAWTHORN BERRY
MILK THRISTLE
SAW PALAMETTO
A GUD MULTIVITAMIN

ON CYCLE SUPPS
LIVE CARE 52 THE DAYS CYCLE STARTS
MULTIVATAMIN THRUOUTHAWTHORN BERRY
MILK THRISTLE
SAW PALAMETTO
ALL SUPS THRU OUT CYCLE...

LAST CYCLE WAS A HDROL CLONE BOUT 8 WEEKS BACK WENT THRU PCT AM ON
ECA RIT NOW I MEAN ONLY THE EC E- 3*30 MG AND CAFFINE 200MG *3
THE REASON I AM INFORMING U GUYZ THAT I HEARD THE EPHADIRINE ALSO RUNS OUT UR BETA 2 RECEPTORS AT A GUD PACE WILL THAT CONTRADICT SOMEHOW WITH T-3 EFFECTIVNESS OR TO MY HEALTH IN A NEGATIVE WAY?

MY STATS
5 FT 6.5 IN
BF 17% NOW
81 KG
LIFTIN EXPERINCE 3 YEARS
VERY KNOWLEDABLE BOUT MY BODY
GOOD INFO BOUT TRIAINING AND NUTRITION
oh and preload vitamin a for acne issues rounds 10,000iu to 20,000 iu
alond with a multivitamin specificle for hair protection( both items pre load and tru out cycle until pct)
nutrition on t-3 is gonna be 16 * my body wieght in pounds mostly protein 1.5* bw in lb carb 0.5- 1 * bw in lb fat 40 -50 grams
workout am semi mma athlete
 
LOL...I followed everything to a "T" for 6 weeks and I'm about 99% sure the pro-hormone I've been taking was nothing more than a placebo. That said, I did drop about 1.5% body fat. I said before I started that this would be my second and last PH cycle. I guess I was wrong and the first one was my last. On the bright side, I'm seeing more improvement now on natural supps than I did while *supposedly* chemically enhanced.

All that being as it is, thanks for the great plan Unreal. If I can drop 1.5% body fat while staying at the same scale weight over 6 weeks on a placebo, I imagine a real cycle would be ridiculous.
 
aga_umar00 said:
hey unreal machine i was hoping your could help me out on this one am new to this site btw some dude form another site told me to dig u out from this side and talk to u ..he said u are the person to talk to for the expertise for t-3 cytomel my cycle and questions look like this:hey buyz plaine on running t-3 cytomel and epistane clone
some of u guyz mit preach me bout t-3 being to harsh for the average dude...sayin its not worth it..... but i understand the consequences and i mit not run it if convinced not to cuz health is a priority to me

t-3 facts that i have found it correct me if im wrong

12.5 mcg is safe and wont shut ur natural thyroid system down after use of cycle ?

but im planin on doin the pyramid Days - Dose in MCG
1-5.......... 12.5
6-10.......... 25
11-15.......... 50
16-25.......... 75
26-30.......... 50
31-35.......... 25
36-40.......... 12.5
?
PCT FOR THYROID WOULD BE A 3 DAYS CARB UP FOR AND KEEPING MY CARDIO INTENSITY UP LIKE MAD UP FOR FAT GAIN REBOUND !!DUE TO LOW LEVELS OF NATURAL THYDROID FUNCTION
ALONG WITH EPISTANE CLONE
20/30/30/30/30/30
PCT
10/10/20/20

BEFORE CYCLE START SUPPS
PRELOAD
HAWTHORN BERRY
MILK THRISTLE
SAW PALAMETTO
A GUD MULTIVITAMIN

ON CYCLE SUPPS
LIVE CARE 52 THE DAYS CYCLE STARTS
MULTIVATAMIN THRUOUTHAWTHORN BERRY
MILK THRISTLE
SAW PALAMETTO
ALL SUPS THRU OUT CYCLE...

LAST CYCLE WAS A HDROL CLONE BOUT 8 WEEKS BACK WENT THRU PCT AM ON
ECA RIT NOW I MEAN ONLY THE EC E- 3*30 MG AND CAFFINE 200MG *3
THE REASON I AM INFORMING U GUYZ THAT I HEARD THE EPHADIRINE ALSO RUNS OUT UR BETA 2 RECEPTORS AT A GUD PACE WILL THAT CONTRADICT SOMEHOW WITH T-3 EFFECTIVNESS OR TO MY HEALTH IN A NEGATIVE WAY?

MY STATS
5 FT 6.5 IN
BF 17% NOW
81 KG
LIFTIN EXPERINCE 3 YEARS
VERY KNOWLEDABLE BOUT MY BODY
GOOD INFO BOUT TRIAINING AND NUTRITION
oh and preload vitamin a for acne issues rounds 10,000iu to 20,000 iu
alond with a multivitamin specificle for hair protection( both items pre load and tru out cycle until pct)
nutrition on t-3 is gonna be 16 * my body wieght in pounds mostly protein 1.5* bw in lb carb 0.5- 1 * bw in lb fat 40 -50 grams
workout am semi mma athlete
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so you are trying to cut? cals and carbs sounds slightly on the high side. I usually do more fat than carbs on a cut but that's just me.

I'm not sure what your main questions are. Your cycle outline is pretty close... you can start T3 at 25mcg, why not right, your epi is low dosed but it will work, PCT 10/10/20/20 you mean nolva? You need to switch that to 20/20/10/10. You can do ECA for a while before it hits your receptors too much. T3 is pretty safe from what I've seen. Take 12 weeks off between your cycles.
What else are you doing for this? you need to plan out the cardio vs. lifting, diet plan and everything. Any other supplements?
 
UnrealMachine said:
so you are trying to cut? cals and carbs sounds slightly on the high side. I usually do more fat than carbs on a cut but that's just me.

I'm not sure what your main questions are. Your cycle outline is pretty close... you can start T3 at 25mcg, why not right, your epi is low dosed but it will work, PCT 10/10/20/20 you mean nolva? You need to switch that to 20/20/10/10. You can do ECA for a while before it hits your receptors too much. T3 is pretty safe from what I've seen. Take 12 weeks off between your cycles.
What else are you doing for this? you need to plan out the cardio vs. lifting, diet plan and everything. Any other supplements?
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yes i am trying to recomp bro.thnx i will be doin that i was thinking bw multiply by 15.
"your cycle outline is pretty close" does that mean its close to a gud cycle..? lolz sry for the stupid question.!

yes sorry i meant pct is nolva 20/20/10/10 offcourse!

yes im a gna be takin 12 weeks of jan 28 is gna be exactly 12 weeks that is when attent to execute this cycle of mine.

"you can do ECA for a while before it hits your receptors too much"
i have been doing ec stack without aspirin.... its been 6 weeks till now attend to run it complete 8 weeks .. will that run out my receptors?

"T3 is pretty safe from what I've seen"
im sure it is if a guy experienced as u and knowledgeable as you in this specific drug know his stuff in and out it wud be safe...... which is why im asking you if you can please design me a cycle of t-3 cyctomel with estane clone that is safe?

Any other supplements?
yes rit when i finished with my last cycle i started creatine and l- glutamine to preserve stength and mass along with gud nutrition and workout....just done with creatine have to take a month of it !! ill start creatine after my coming cycle..

hey man i had a question bout recomp and cutting pases
i know that recomp you add muscle and lose fat
in cutting u mintain or perhaps can even lose muslce but lose more fat...
do u recodmend i go for a recomp and not waste my ph or should i go for a pure cut
i mean a drug as strong as t-3 should give me satidfies results even is a recomp rit?

my cardio plan is lookin like this and am in week 3
week1 40 min 4 days
week2 45 min 4days
week3 50 min 5 days
week4 55 min 5days
week5 60min 5days
week6 60 min 6 days
week 7 60min 7 days
week 8 70 min 7 days

weight liftin is 4 times a week
day1 chest and tri
day2 back and bi
day3 shoulder and trap
day4 plyometric leg day mma specidic
day 5 mma boxing drills and and kicking drills
day 6 mma full body bodyweight and jujitsu
day 7 mma sparring and conditioning but lower intensity
 
and my nutrition rit now on cutting is with ec stack
1800 cals approximally 50 %protein 20% carbs 30% fat
in a carb cycle kind of manner i normally carb up 1 ce aweek at 17-18% body fat the more leaner i get will be carbing up more sooner

i have 6 - 7 meals
first meal has carbs in them mojority of them
2nd and 3rd meal no carbs only coming from vegtable

4th meal pre workout have carbs but leeser then post
5th meal post workout have majority of carbs here
6th protein and source of good fat

in all meals i do have my proteins and little bit of gud fats in them
this is my nutrition wathch ya think bout it

thnx bro
 
aga_umar00 said:
and my nutrition rit now on cutting is with ec stack
1800 cals approximally 50 %protein 20% carbs 30% fat
in a carb cycle kind of manner i normally carb up 1 ce aweek at 17-18% body fat the more leaner i get will be carbing up more sooner

i have 6 - 7 meals
first meal has carbs in them mojority of them
2nd and 3rd meal no carbs only coming from vegtable

4th meal pre workout have carbs but leeser then post
5th meal post workout have majority of carbs here
6th protein and source of good fat

in all meals i do have my proteins and little bit of gud fats in them
this is my nutrition wathch ya think bout it

thnx bro
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it's not too dissimilar from what I do diet-wise but i do my workout in the morning so my post-workout carbs are still coming in the am, it still looks pretty functional to me though.
 
UnrealMachine said:
it's not too dissimilar from what I do diet-wise but i do my workout in the morning so my post-workout carbs are still coming in the am, it still looks pretty functional to me though.
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hey man i had a question bout recomp and cutting pases
i know that recomp you add muscle and lose fat
in cutting u mintain or perhaps can even lose muslce but lose more fat...
do u recodmend i go for a recomp and not waste my ph or should i go for a pure cut
i mean a drug as strong as t-3 should give me satidfies results even is a recomp rit?

bascily dude can u just give me a outline of numbers and figures i can follow and the precussion supplements with it?
 
dude you need to figure out if you want to bulk or cut not me... if you are really just going to do whatever I say though, then you should cut because 17% bodyfat is pretty high
 
UnrealMachine said:
dude you need to figure out if you want to bulk or cut not me... if you are really just going to do whatever I say though, then you should cut because 17% bodyfat is pretty high
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i had decided i ve been cattin for bout 3 weeks. now just wanted a opinion true its for me to decide!!...so lolz can u just lay down the rulz for a t-3 cycle please..that is wat i was really looking for?
thx
 
would a test/prop tren 6 week cycle be good for a body recomp?
looking to do so but it would also be my ist inject cycle.
vie been using tren/epi for the last two years got the weight and strength up but not the muscle separation desired
 
cia71383 said:
would a test/prop tren 6 week cycle be good for a body recomp?
looking to do so but it would also be my ist inject cycle.
vie been using tren/epi for the last two years got the weight and strength up but not the muscle separation desired
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unreal doesn't post online anymore, post your question in a new thread in the anabolics section
 
what do you think of a recomp type cycle with
androhard 1-8
androlean 5-8
pct 9-12 (TRS stack + lose dose SERM)

diet wise I was going to carb cycle for the first 4 weeks (2 high days on monday + thursda and the rest low carb). When i take the average amount of calories for all 7 days added together, I end up JUST below maintenance, so I should be good to go in the fat burning department hopefully build muscle on the high carb/calorie days. However, once I add androlean into the mix, im going to do a high protein, low carb + low fat diet and just taper down calories based on the mirror.
 
CopyCat said:
Really? Why is that? Tis a shame for sure.
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Shogun1 said:
This.
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Without being too detailed, out of respect for Unreal and the NTBM crew, here's the deal...

He just simply got tired of being on the forums. Tired of talking to people about product and answering "Unreal, what you would do?" type questions (especially considering that he is very unusual - doesn't respond to supplements or steroids very well) . His inbox was almost always full and then when in the middle of trying to answer PMs he'd get more PMs and just sit there forever trying to dig himself out.

So he's spending time away from the forums, and it's taken a lot of stress out of his life. He's spending more time with his GF. He's gotten into all the PhD programs he applied to. Just enjoying life away from the forums.

He'll be back eventually, but for now, he's just spending time on other things
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Without being too detailed, out of respect for Unreal and the NTBM crew, here's the deal...

He just simply got tired of being on the forums. Tired of talking to people about product and answering "Unreal, what you would do?" type questions (especially considering that he is very unusual - doesn't respond to supplements or steroids very well) . His inbox was almost always full and then when in the middle of trying to answer PMs he'd get more PMs and just sit there forever trying to dig himself out.

So he's spending time away from the forums, and it's taken a lot of stress out of his life. He's spending more time with his GF. He's gotten into all the PhD programs he applied to. Just enjoying life away from the forums.

He'll be back eventually, but for now, he's just spending time on other things
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Word, fair enough
 
When unreals write up mentions eating "signficiantly above maitenance" does this take into account the amount of cardio/working out you are going to be doing on a continual basis.

For instance, with fitday as my cal calc, with my activity level, and 2x workouts between cardio and weights, my maintenance level is literally 4800 cals. But like I said, that's taking INTO account all my cardio.

If I were want to run a recomp on AAS or PH, it's really recommended for me to eat almost 5k cals a day?
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
When unreals write up mentions eating "signficiantly above maitenance" does this take into account the amount of cardio/working out you are going to be doing on a continual basis.

For instance, with fitday as my cal calc, with my activity level, and 2x workouts between cardio and weights, my maintenance level is literally 4800 cals. But like I said, that's taking INTO account all my cardio.

If I were want to run a recomp on AAS or PH, it's really recommended for me to eat almost 5k cals a day?
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How much do you weigh?

I'm pretty sure he's talking about just maintenance. So maybe 200-500 cals more. Just a guess.
 
BarbellBeast said:
How much do you weigh?

I'm pretty sure he's talking about just maintenance. So maybe 200-500 cals more. Just a guess.
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215. I just wonder what his definition of maintenance is though. Is it maintenance minus any excercise? Or is it BMR, or is it maintenance with all your physical activity added in?

All 3 are drastically different numbers, lol, you know what I mean...
 
I know that Unreal no longer post but I just wanted to toss this out for all you guys to look at.

If I ran Hdrol for 6 weeks (50/75/75/75/75/75) and lifted four days per week and did cardio 4x a week, ate clean, but in a surplus of 500-750cals what kind of results do you think I could see. Worth mentioning that I would bridge 11-oxo at a gram per day for 3 weeks post hdrol before serm.

I'm 5'6" 177lbs and about 14%bf

I would love to gain 10lbs of muscle and lose 5lbs of fat but that just seems like everyone's goal these days. Im torn between recomp and bulk. please advise thanks so much brothers.
 
EArch said:
I know that Unreal no longer post but I just wanted to toss this out for all you guys to look at.

If I ran Hdrol for 6 weeks (50/75/75/75/75/75) and lifted four days per week and did cardio 4x a week, ate clean, but in a surplus of 500-750cals what kind of results do you think I could see. Worth mentioning that I would bridge 11-oxo at a gram per day for 3 weeks post hdrol before serm.

I'm 5'6" 177lbs and about 14%bf

I would love to gain 10lbs of muscle and lose 5lbs of fat but that just seems like everyone's goal these days. Im torn between recomp and bulk. please advise thanks so much brothers.
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I think that's possible. Whenever someone wants to recomp, I always recommend they throw fura into the mix (a non-methylated PH that is great for dropping fat) while enjoying the LBM gains from hdrol.

That being said what you proposed above will definitely work. I would step up the cardio to 6x per week though. And that's just me. The only day I take off from cardio is leg day.
 
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