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I share the same feelings. I look at my peers and just wonder how the fcuk are they so clueless?

You wouldn't believe how many people I pull over for driving 20-30 miles over the limit, switching lanes while yapping away on their cell phones in a school zone while children are running for safety. Then when I ask them "do you know why I stopped you" they look at me with the most retarded blank stare like I'm some alien from another planet and say no.

Or the ever so dramatic domestic calls where the "victim" is standing in the middle of the street holding her weave screaming he hit me with the smooth. Then some how finds a way to say I'm not doing my job but then is a no show at court...

Actually, none of this bothers me at all, lol just supports my theory that I am awesome and superior to most.
 
I vote we go back to natural selection, rather than supporting the dregs of society. Can we get a President that will do that, and put our country back on track?

Why is it that humans are the only species to go against natural selection, and work the hardest to keep the weakest of the species in the gene pool?
 
I vote we go back to natural selection, rather than supporting the dregs of society. Can we get a President that will do that, and put our country back on track?

Why is it that humans are the only species to go against natural selection, and work the hardest to keep the weakest of the species in the gene pool?

Because liberal ideology advocates on behalf of those who refuse to help themselves under the guise that it is 'right' and 'honorable.'

I don't have fully formed thoughts on whether or not natural selection is right or wrong, but as long as it doesn't involve direct elimination or murder, sure - why not.
 
I really, really hate driving. I wish, often, that cell phone had either never been invented or every car had some sort of transmitter in it that would disrupt all cell signals while the gears were engaged. In park or turned off, or with hazard lights on, cell phones can be used. Look how smart I am!

Doesn't it make you feel good to just vent? Oh man, if you guys could hear the things I say while driving, just, it's just like a well buttered biscuit of warm insulting words rolling off my tongue. Look, if people don't want to get made fun of - then maybe they shouldn't go seven months between hair cuts, or continue eating donuts daily, or wearing their pants from junior high, or sucking on something that is both expensive and proven to cause cancer. Morons.

The surgeon general's warning should just say "Hey, you're an idiot... these cost more than a gallon of gas, the necessary fuel to run entire economies, and they also kill you slowly and tear you down, and all the while you smell and your skin looks like an alligator purse. Tool."

I should just start a 'What Grinds my Gears' column here on Anabolic Minds.

Speaking of which, you know what else GMGs? Well, I can't really get into that now, because I'm sure I would get an infraction.

By the way, I am sleeeeepy. Tomorrow I'll be blitzing back, mmmm, deadlifts.

Now, all I need to do is get rid of this onset of gyno before it solidifies.
 
Actually, none of this bothers me at all, lol just supports my theory that I am awesome and superior to most.

STRONGLY AGREE :thumbsup:

My wife calls me conceded but seriously.. I know I am not that smart but how is it almost every person I meet is significantly dumber than I am?
 
Hope I don't ruffle any feathers with this...

 
Actually, none of this bothers me at all, lol just supports my theory that I am awesome and superior to most.

that is a damned good attitude to have in your profession, beats the hell out of 20 to life for shooting a bunch of dumbasses.:newangel:
 
Because liberal ideology advocates on behalf of those who refuse to help themselves under the guise that it is 'right' and 'honorable.'

I don't have fully formed thoughts on whether or not natural selection is right or wrong, but as long as it doesn't involve direct elimination or murder, sure - why not.

abe once said-'let a society be judged by how the least among them is treated'. i know it sounds very liberal, but there are people in society that i feel really do need protected. if all of the american safety nets are pulled, there is nothing that seperates us from a third world country-i have lived in a third world country, and i would hate to see this country come to that.
 
abe once said-'let a society be judged by how the least among them is treated'. i know it sounds very liberal, but there are people in society that i feel really do need protected. if all of the american safety nets are pulled, there is nothing that seperates us from a third world country-i have lived in a third world country, and i would hate to see this country come to that.

Who assigned infallibility to the axioms of Abraham Lincoln? Not I.

Quotables are nice for office wall pictures with sunsets or mountain peaks offering some brainy generic subtext, but to me, it all comes down to an undeniable and irrefutable vein of reason and rationale that runs deep within our race and our spirit as a species. Every capable member of this collective we refer to as Mankind should contribute toward the end of ensuring his own survival AND expansion of mind, body and resource. These pursuits, as selfish as they may seem on the surface, are the tried and true epitome of expeditious amelioration of our condition on the highest order. As each reaps what he sows, so too does his neighbor, hence the self perpetuating stunningly beautiful and simple machinery of Capitalism and self actualization.
 
Who assigned infallibility to the axioms of Abraham Lincoln? Not I.

Quotables are nice for office wall pictures with sunsets or mountain peaks offering some brainy generic subtext, but to me, it all comes down to an undeniable and irrefutable vein of reason and rationale that runs deep within our race and our spirit as a species. Every capable member of this collective we refer to as Mankind should contribute toward the end of ensuring his own survival AND expansion of mind, body and resource. These pursuits, as selfish as they may seem on the surface, are the tried and true epitome of expeditious amelioration of our condition on the highest order. As each reaps what he sows, so too does his neighbor, hence the self perpetuating stunningly beautiful and simple machinery of Capitalism and self actualization.

able body men should always work to earn their daily bread, but there is a sense of righteousness in lending a hand to the infirmed and elderly.


i am no bleeding heart, but if i see a man, woman or child truely in need, i look upon it as my duty as a human being to try to help in some small way-i am just overcome by all the need i see. this pains me greatly.

for the gov of the greatest nation on earth to even consider turning it's back on the TRUELY needed while giving breaks to the most wealthy makes me ashamed. this is not the united states i served for!!!
 
great stuff there Outstanding.I truly believe if more people tried to make the world a better place for all instead of just themselves once in awhile the world as a whole would be in better shape right now.
 
great stuff there Outstanding.I truly believe if more people tried to make the world a better place for all instead of just themselves once in awhile the world as a whole would be in better shape right now.

lol-that's the point i was making, and he was argueing against.:newangel:
 
that is a damned good attitude to have in your profession, beats the hell out of 20 to life for shooting a bunch of dumbasses.:newangel:

If I shot every dumbasss I ran into I'd run out of ammo, lol and I have way over 200 rounds in my squad :AR15firing:

I don't stress the BS. There's a civil war going on at my PD and I'm the only guy who understands both sides, lol I swear i work with a bunch of little school girls...
 
able body men should always work to earn their daily bread, but there is a sense of righteousness in lending a hand to the infirmed and elderly.


i am no bleeding heart, but if i see a man, woman or child truely in need, i look upon it as my duty as a human being to try to help in some small way-i am just overcome by all the need i see. this pains me greatly.

for the gov of the greatest nation on earth to even consider turning it's back on the TRUELY needed while giving breaks to the most wealthy makes me ashamed. this is not the united states i served for!!!

:hail:
 
If I shot every dumbasss I ran into I'd run out of ammo, lol and I have way over 200 rounds in my squad :AR15firing:

I don't stress the BS. There's a civil war going on at my PD and I'm the only guy who understands both sides, lol I swear i work with a bunch of little school girls...

lol-the man in the middle. geez, you would think people would learn as they get older, that there is always some common ground to be shared.
 
If I shot every dumbasss I ran into I'd run out of ammo, lol and I have way over 200 rounds in my squad :AR15firing:

I don't stress the BS. There's a civil war going on at my PD and I'm the only guy who understands both sides, lol I swear i work with a bunch of little school girls...

Thats every job with lots of people.. I work in a hospital and it feels like I am back in high school. Its insane to me to see grown professionals conduct themselves the same way my little brother does
 
able body men should always work to earn their daily bread, but there is a sense of righteousness in lending a hand to the infirmed and elderly.

i am no bleeding heart, but if i see a man, woman or child truely in need, i look upon it as my duty as a human being to try to help in some small way-i am just overcome by all the need i see. this pains me greatly.

for the gov of the greatest nation on earth to even consider turning it's back on the TRUELY needed while giving breaks to the most wealthy makes me ashamed. this is not the united states i served for!!!

I whole heartily disagree with every last fiber of my being, intellect, and soul (on certain points - as I point out below, there is a stark contrast between taxation and willful charity). Why should those who have amassed wealth and security for self and their kin, feel the heavy weight of obligation to provide for those beneath them - if by no other fact than they have 'more' and others have 'less' (WHY do they have less, therein lies the answer most of the time). THE WAY THE RICH PROVIDE FOR THE LOWER CLASSES IS THROUGH EMPLOYMENT, NOT HANDOUTS. When someone achieves a certain status and accumulation of finance through direct correlation of an upsurge in demand for the service or product they/their corporation provides, new job openings and thus new prosperity potential exposes itself to the masses. This is, as I described, the ingenious utility of Capitalism, making resources and opportunities readily available for those who actively SEEK it out, rather than actively seeking out more droplets of water from the giant hamster feeder they are doled out by leeching off their fellow man like some some parasitic nuisance.

I don't believe in ANY of the bailouts either, I believe every man should survive and thrive based on the back breaking will of his own perspiration, and that to force through mandate that he distribute his earnings by the forceful hand of government or social outcry he is being robbed from, and punished for his ability to attain success. Capitalism, or the proper functioning of it unassisted by bureaucratic cancer, should allow organizations to freely compete and live and die by the own ebb and flow of the economy and it's demand. Also, as far as the Bible's illustration of plight and harmony in the afterlife for those that suffer here, that is only once specific example offered up of an endless litany of outcomes. Once more, it comes down to the individual, a wealthy man or woman can live an ethical and upstanding life, just as someone standing in the rain smoking cigarettes with 14 kids at a bus stop also has the choice to live an upstanding life and pull themselves up by the bootstraps, escaping the purgatory of poverty.

In all the above, free economy and personal industry is still the singular engine that a nation and a people rise and fall by, always adapting, always evolving - and no all encompassing rule exists that says a rich or poor man can't seek earnest fellowship with God and accomplish a life long relationship with Him until their salvation allows them to accomplish endless fellowship in their heavenly dwelling place. *Lastly, there is a huge, massive, immeasurable divide between the iron fist of government siphoning wealth from private citizens - and charity - the free will to give when the giver deems the cause of individual worthy. As a nation, no one comes close to American's charitable donations either.

Companies should be allowed to fail, because government ISN'T a business or an oversight committee savings all us helpless peasants from ourselves. Government should 1) Defend the Nation, 2) Pave Roads. Done ;)

I never donate, because I have zero faith in the recipient due to the innate fallibility of Man to honestly handle and disperse MY money wisely and in a manner I directed. My/Our funds are best spent and invested by us... there really are no excuses not to succeed, the level and the amount is dictated by the individual. When I see bums on corners with a cardboard sign with scribbled sharpie :whiner:, I don't think "Awe, poor guy," I think, take a shower and spend these hours applying for jobs. It isn't neural surgery.

great stuff there Outstanding.I truly believe if more people tried to make the world a better place for all instead of just themselves once in awhile the world as a whole would be in better shape right now.

Well, this is in a way what I was arguing - if all of us became self sufficient providers and workers, it would uplift the common baseline of existence for the collective... but BigT will take issue with your assignment of credit on my behalf ;)

sounds pretty crazy

Go on...

lol-that's the point i was making, and he was argueing against.:newangel:

I always get the credit, haha! This made me laugh ;)
 
Thats every job with lots of people.. I work in a hospital and it feels like I am back in high school. Its insane to me to see grown professionals conduct themselves the same way my little brother does

Cliques will never desist, because adults are merely over-sized children on the inside. The birth year of an individual doesn't dictate their maturity, the individual does. The stories I have about my place of employment are pathetic, hopeless, laughable, and infuriating. But I look at them, and I see a crusty assortment of hodge podge obese misfit lesbians and homosexuals on lung caner's doorstep, attempting to avoid the painful blatant realization they they are middle aged nothings headed nowhere without a reason - trapped in the slimy sludge of their own suffocating mediocrity and lack of talent and intellectual gifts.

So... their lives serve a purpose, in that without the faceless innumerable hoards like them, there wouldn't be such a cutting contrast to lift those of us up who don't spend every night at the bar, or gossiping about so-and-so's divorce, or wolfing down another bag of Doritos with the crumbs still lazily attached to shirts and shorts.
 
When T said needy people I thought of those who can not provide for themselves because of a disability. Bums and scum are not needy they are lazy and should not receive a dime of government aid. America is lazy... The opportunity to succeed is there. I just found a higher paying better job in one of the worst economies this country has ever seen.
 
When T said needy people I thought of those who can not provide for themselves because of a disability. Bums and scum are not needy they are lazy and should not receive a dime of government aid. America is lazy... The opportunity to succeed is there. I just found a higher paying better job in one of the worst economies this country has ever seen.

Oh yeah, I never include disables veterans or mentally retarded people in my discourse, only an inhuman cruel murdering moron wouldn't want to see them cared for.
 
Oh yeah, I never include disables veterans or mentally retarded people in my discourse, only an inhuman cruel murdering moron wouldn't want to see them cared for.

I know you weren't talking about those... We pretty much share the same political views going back to the supplement ban thread lol
 
outstanding, my friend-what you are proposing is what i saw in the philipines. third world nations do nothing for the needy, and that is what we are becoming. like fatass limbaugh says-'let them eat out of the garbage'.


i would suggest that the majority of homeless are on the street because the mental hospitals where most belong were closed down.


as to the perspiration of the wealthy, lol-i doubt if donald trump is doing much sweating on the job.


i have the feeling that you're way of thinking is the same as many roman's, before rome's downfall. lot's of similarities.




at any rate, i have to get some sleep 14 hour days in a box factory means a lot of perspriration, lol. to bad i aint gettin wealthy.
 
Alex jones smokes rush but I tune into both...

Let's get back to amabolics, supplements and lifting lol

Agreed!

Sooo guess who got himself a bottle of recompadrol!!!

Yup you guessed it this guy right here!!!

Gonna see what the hype is about with this stuff
 
outstanding, my friend-what you are proposing is what i saw in the philipines. third world nations do nothing for the needy, and that is what we are becoming. like fatass limbaugh says-'let them eat out of the garbage'.

i would suggest that the majority of homeless are on the street because the mental hospitals where most belong were closed down.

as to the perspiration of the wealthy, lol-i doubt if donald trump is doing much sweating on the job.

at any rate, i have to get some sleep 14 hour days in a box factory means a lot of perspriration, lol. to bad i aint gettin wealthy.

Rush isn't fat any longer.

Anyway, I think that's where we meet our great divide BigT... I readily and openly realize the cold reality of when people can and should be marginalized. They, by definition of the term, have marginalized themselves, by repeated, repeated, repeated conscience choices to put themselves in their destitute standing. I call a spade a spade, I don't ignore the brutal nonfiction of life and the World out of some sense of moral responsibility to coddle and pacify those lesser than I.

You steal from the system to buy more cocaine to flip and put more of Ben's face under your mattress while I put my work ethic and talents to the daily grind to support my family and provide a stable investment portfolio that will reap dividends in the decades to come - you are lesser than I. Now, my arguments don't pertain to mentally retarded people or orphans or disabled veterans who are barely able to move let along seek gainful employment. The tired mantra of gushy minded sheeple parroting their blind belief that we should lend a hand to the 'less fortunate' under the guise of being nice and caring, is a dreadfully failed policy of self-conduct with a flawed premise. Respectfully.

Handouts create barnacles of people, with a hand out asking for more, and not even saying please and thank you as an after thought. We are doing society the largest disservice possible by giving them fish, rather than teaching them how to fish.

Agreed!

Sooo guess who got himself a bottle of recompadrol!!!

Yup you guessed it this guy right here!!!

Gonna see what the hype is about with this stuff

Ahhhhhh yeahhhh, youse gonna love RECOMPADROL!!!

pretty awesome stuff.

i know outstanding loves his!

I love it so much I might make an Easter basket for it, or... with it in it, and give it to myself ;)
 
If I was gonna use 100mg of ecdymorph a day how would you suggest I dose it?

Great dosage.

As far as doing, I have heard some severely conflicting data. Over the long run I have heard time and time again Ecdy clears the system entirely in only a matter of minutes, an hour at max (which is why most dose it RIGHT WITH a high protein meal, or JUST before training for adaptogenic effect). However, Vaugn, the formulator for iForce here on the boards mentioned he believed it was active after oral dosage for EIGHT HOURS!

I have not been presented with studies from either side, sadly.
 
Great dosage.

As far as doing, I have heard some severely conflicting data. Over the long run I have heard time and time again Ecdy clears the system entirely in only a matter of minutes, an hour at max (which is why most dose it RIGHT WITH a high protein meal, or JUST before training for adaptogenic effect). However, Vaugn, the formulator for iForce here on the boards mentioned he believed it was active after oral dosage for EIGHT HOURS!

I have not been presented with studies from either side, sadly.

i just started at 75 daily, and been dosing 25 with high protein meals spread out thru the day. think i outta bump to 100?
 
Encapsulation, a fine way to spend a couple nights while watching the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Leucine, HCA, LCLT, Creapure, Taurine, Dbol... WAIT, what was that last one!? ;)

I have to say, the only thing I have encountered so far that is next to impossible to cap is LCLT and even more aggravating, Super Plasma Protein powder.

I find some consistency differences, as well as pungent smell, between the LCLT from NOW Foods (from Lonza's Carnipure) and the other site I purchased 500g from a couple weeks ago. The fish smell is multiplies for some reason, and the granules are much larger and seem to hold more moisture for whatever reason.

I guess Carnipure is the way to go, but the cost difference is quite substantial once you factor in 500g-1kg of the raw.

I am taking a trip to an FDA Licensed cGMP manufacturing facility soon, going to see some of my work in motion ;)

Training, especially recent back and arms workouts, have been excellent. I wonder if there is a way to stay up to date on court proceedings between Gaspari and Thermolife. Nitrates should be available to all free citizens! ;)
 
Been using Letrozole to reduce the tissue nodules that developed under my nipples for nearly 2 weeks now... going to use it until the lumps disappear and then simply do a very small .25/.5mg dose every other day I believe.

The good news is my appetite is back FINALLY. I was struggling to eat for so long, wondering what was causing the bloating, but come to realize the most obvious answer was right under my nose the whole time - sometimes the last place we look.

So excited to start contest prep this year, June 1 = Ground Zero! I'll be doing a 14 week diet this time, leading right up to my show and then flying out to Vegas for the Olympia!!!
 
I'm both stoked, and scared... haha! I love getting on stage and enduring the whole transformation process, but I also LOVE being huge and enjoying cornbread, chili, and ice cream.

What a man to do!? ;)

Haha! I hear that! It's not so much the sweets for me but the carbs! If I feel flat I pop some insulin mimickers and put away a loaf of bread LOL
 
Intermittent fasting. Supposed to let you have a little slack. Also low carb substitutes are getting better tasting.
 
That's what squat sessions are for

My training partner, and the rest of the gym... would hunt me down with pitchforks!

Anyway, I've been eating clean, and BIG, for a little over a couple weeks now, none of my usual weekly cheat meals, because I have a big meeting with another industry titan this weekend and always want to look the part ;)
 
My training partner, and the rest of the gym... would hunt me down with pitchforks!

Anyway, I've been eating clean, and BIG, for a little over a couple weeks now, none of my usual weekly cheat meals, because I have a big meeting with another industry titan this weekend and always want to look the part ;)


Time for Outstanding to hit a homerun
 
Can someone help me out... here is a post from the thread: Invalid Link Removed

This has been a great thread, and Mike, EXCELLENT advice on comparing the two.

I just have a few questions, as I am on cycle, and will be ending in September (I always run optimal length cycles). I am not looking to use either compound as a standalone or for PCT (yet), but rather, asking about them as possible adjunct candidates for replacing Letrozole once estrogen and prolactin has been mitigated to acceptable levels (along with Formestane).

First of all - what would you suggest for combating Estrogen activity and circulation on cycle to replace Letrozole (OR... would something like Erase/Formestane be completely superior to both)?

I was going to get AX Advanced PCT with 25mg/serving 90 capsules for $27 before doing more searching, then I found Transform Forged Bromo for $28 @ 35mg/serving plus a host of na-r-ala and other goodies. Basically the Forged Bromo was $28 for 2,100mg of total Bromo content, just over a gram. THEN finally I just came across a brand new product on pre-sale by PHF right now for $20 offering 60 caps @ 50mg, so 3,000mg (3g) total Bromo. Should I just go for the cheapest standalone Bromo, or do the small amount of 325mg synergists in Forged Bromo make a difference?

(*I ALREADY HAVE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ATD!)

I'm just really in need of keeping sides at bay, and Letrozole is only temporary until lumps and bloating dissipate, then after tapering off I'll be running P-5-P along with high extract L-Dopa and ATD/Bromo/Formestane/(ERASE?)-Topical for the entire duration of cycle (all three... only one... two of the three)? JUST NEED TO CRUSH AND CONTROL Estrogen and Prolactin.

PS: Does the version of Bromo matter, I looked around on other forums, and saw this was being asked and was claimed as being 'critical'
 
I remember a while back (around the time NP was selling 6-bromo) there was some questioning on its use, it appeared to be a little shady. I dont remember all the exact details let me see if I can dig up the info

However I will add the I think Redefine Nutrition PCT Revolution black is a waaay better deal over Erase. You get more servings of the same active as Erase plus other goodies and for the exact same price.
 
here ya go

Recently i used 6-bromo in my pct, it was in a pct product i was using, and i noticed that my PCT was not going as normal, i followed the same protocol i always use. Here it is....

Week 1 nolva 20mg/ clomid 50mg/ protodioscin 900mg/ cissus drol 2 caps
Week 2-3 nolva 20mg/ clomid 50mg/ protodioscin 900mg/ cissus drol 3 caps
Week 4 nolva 10mg/clomid 25mg/ protodioscin 900mg/ bromocriptine 5mg
Cissus drol 4 caps.

However this is the first time i used 6-bromo all the way through, in normal pct my sex drive goes through the roof, and my strength sky rockets, as my natural test levels peak, this time my libido was terrible, and my strength has dropped off slightly, so i stopped taking the only thing i used that i dont normaly, the 6-bromo in cissus-drol, and what happend, well within 4 days my libido had sky rocketed, and my strength had improved, so to test i took the cissus-drol again.... I started loosing strength, and my libido became non-existent...so here is what i found...

halogens are a row of elements that have very similar chemical behaviour. they inlcude fluorine, chlorine, and bromine

the thing is, 6alpha fluoro testosterone has 1-2 times the anabolic activity of regular testosterone. and 6alpha chloro test has up to 2.8 times the anabolic activity of testosterone. it is expected that 6alpha bromo testosterone (what 6-alpha bromo androstenedione turns into) would be similarly potent as an anabolic hormone. i cannot find data on this compound specifically but i know that in other positions in the steroid, a bromo substitution usually is equivalent to what is seen with a fluoro (both being somewhat weaker than a chloro)

the 6beta fluoro and chloro have only about 20-25% anabolic activity of the 6alphas.


i am reasonably sure that the 6-bromodione avaialble from china is a mixture of alpha and beta isomers. too expensive to seperate


bottom line, there is reason to be concerned about the wisdom of taking a 6-bromo product for PCT. at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid. this would make it suppressive enough to render insignificant any HPTA stimulating action acheived via its aromatase inhibitory potential

Your views and thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated, thankyou and kind regards, Russian.

Well, I found where this data is being drawn from. It does exert anti-aromatase activity, but in this case at the expense of, as a competitive inhibitor of, androstenedione...which as we all know by know is a few steps away in testosterone's production. This gets back to why one would do this unless its for a short period in a hyperestrogenic state, further, as stated previously it will be at the expense of testosterone, as anti-androgen as well if used for any notable period of time. This is from 1. 1987 2. Hardly, a strong credentialed, peer-referenced, stringently reviewed journal 3. Is with rabbits regarding placental aromatase. But taking it for a noteworthy place to start, it is that. There is another Japanese journal publication that uses the 1987 data and elaborates further on the rabbit data with the discussion on the activity of various groups in the molecule...which is a bit more conflicting then stated above in the typical muscle magazine marketing sort of way. But for anyone interested here's the elusive data that's being somewhat distorted and extrapolated.

Endocrinology, Vol 121, 1010-1016, Copyright © 1987 by Endocrine Society
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Stereochemistry of the functional group determines the mechanism of aromatase inhibition by 6-bromoandrostenedione
Y Osawa, Y Osawa and MJ Coon


A selective inhibitor of aromatase (estrogen synthetase) would be a useful pharmacological tool with potential therapeutic application. We have found that 6 alpha-bromoandrostenedione (6 alpha-BrA) is a competitive inhibitor of human placental aromatase with respect to androstenedione, with an apparent Ki of 3.4 nM, while 6 beta-BrA is a mechanism-based irreversible inhibitor with an apparent Ki of 0.8 microM and a kinact of 0.025 min-1. Aromatase activity was measured by tritium release into water from the 1 beta position of [1(-3)H,4(- 14)C]androstenedione in reaction mixtures containing NADPH and the aromatase. Time-dependent inhibition was assessed by preincubation of inhibitors with either the 900 X g placental pellet or placental microsomes in the presence of NADPH. Aliquots were taken at intervals, diluted, and assayed for aromatase activity with androstenedione and additional NADPH. The time-dependent inhibition by 6 beta-BrA was dependent on the concentration of this compound and the presence of NADPH, while the addition of excess substrate in the preincubation mixture hindered the inactivation. Both epimers were ineffective in inhibiting rabbit liver microsomal drug-metabolizing activities in a competitive or time-dependent manner. This indicates a high selectivity of 6-BrA inhibition among P-450 cytochromes. These and other 6- substituted androgens may be useful probes into the nature of the active site and mechanism of action of aromatase.

Biol Pharm Bull. 2004 Nov;27(11):1878-82. Related Articles, Links


Synthesis and biochemical properties of 6-bromoandrostenedione derivatives with a 2,2-dimethyl or 2-methyl group as aromatase inhibitors.

Numazawa M, Handa W, Yamada K.

Tohoku Pharmaceutical University, Sendai, Japan. [email protected]

To gain insight into the mechanism for irreversible inactivation of aromatase by 6beta-bromoandrostenedione (1), one of the earliest discovered suicide substrates, in relation to the catalytic function of the enzyme, the 2,2-dimethyl derivative of compound 1, steroid 4, and its 6alpha-isomer 5, as well as 2-methyl-1,4-diene steroid 8 and its 6alpha-bromide 10, were synthesized. All of the steroids inhibited aromatase activity in human placental microsomes with apparent K(i)'s ranging between 10 and 81 nM. The 2,2-dimethyl-6beta- and 6alpha-bromo steroids 4 and 5 were extremely powerful inhibitors (K(i): 14 and 10 nM, respectively), but these two did not cause a time-dependent inactivation of aromatase in the presence of NADPH; in contrast, the 2-methyl-1,4-diene steroids 8 and 10 caused time-dependent inactivation with apparent k(inact) of 0.035 and 0.071 min(-1), respectively, in a suicide manner. These results indicate that the 2,2-dimethyl function of the 6beta-bromide 4 would prevent the inactivation of aromatase caused by inhibitor 1 in a suicide manner, probably through steric activity, whereas the 2-methyl group of steroid 8 did not significantly affect the suicidal inactivation by the parent 1,4-diene steroid, a typical suicide substrate.

Title
Stereochemistry of the functional group determines the mechanism of aromatase inhibition by 6-bromoandrostenedione
Author
Osawa, Yoichi; Osawa, Yoshio; Coon, Minor J.
Organization
Med. Sch., Univ. Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-0606, USA
Publication Source
Endocrinology (1987), 121(3), 1010-16
Identifier-CODEN
ENDOAO
ISSN
0013-7227
Abstract
6.alpha.-Bromoandrostenedione (6.alpha.-BrA) (I) is a competitive inhibitor of human placental aromatase with respect to androstenedione, with an apparent Ki of 3.4 nM, whereas 6.beta.-BrA is a mechanism-based irreversible inhibitor with an apparent Ki of 0.8 .mu.M and a kinact of 0.025/min. Aromatase activity was measured by tritium release into water from the 1.beta. position of [1-3H,4-14C]androstenedione in reaction mixts. contg. NADPH and the aromatase. Time-dependent inhibition was assessed by preincubation of inhibitors with either the 900 g placental pellet or placental microsomes in the presence of NADPH. Aliquots were taken at intervals, dild., and assayed for aromatase activity with androstenedione and addnl. NADPH. The time-dependent inhibition by 6.beta.-BrA was dependent on the concn. of this compd. and the presence of NADPH, whereas the addn. of excess substrate in the preincubation mixt. hindered the inactivation. Both epimers were ineffective in inhibiting rabbit liver microsomal drug-metabolizing activities in a competitive or time-dependent manner. This indicates a high selectivity of 6-BrA inhibition among P 450 cytochromes. These and other 6-substituted androgens may be useful probes into the nature of the active site and mechanism of action of aromatase

Many 6a and 6b halogenated (not always with bromine but I think you
would not deny there is not THAT much difference in the regard if the
halogen is fluorine or chlorine) steroidals, even diones, exhibit inherent
anabolic and androgenic properties in rat LA and VP. Do you know if
6-bromo (I'll assume it's a mix of a and b) has any inherent anabolic
or androgenic effects? Please justify or explain your answer.

6-bromo-testosterone (both a and b) are listed as being actively
anabolic and androgenic in Vida by rat LA and VP assays. This is only
a 17bHSD enzyme away from 6-bromo-"dione". Do you have any evidence
that your new halogenated AI does not convert to 6-bromo-testosterone
by endogenous enzymes found in people? The 6-halogenated hormones
are (quick average) about 1.9X as anabolic and 2.0X as androgenic
as straight testosterone

If you do a search you will find ALOT more info.. I havent read too much on 6-bromo as I dont plan to use it, but there appear to be some good arguments from both sides of the issue. Might be worth looking into before you decide to use it in a PCT

I think the two "kinds" talked about are the beta and the alpha isomers and the concern I think was over if one of the isomers in 6-bromo had anabolic metabolites that would bind to the androgen receptor causing negative feedback on the HPTA.

I know I have seen posting before from Dr. D defending its use so I dunno but I think it may be worth looking into if your considering it as part of your PCT


* ALSO for the record I do not mean to deter your log into a debate over 6-bromo as I personally have no opinion on the subject since I am not taking it nor plan to I was just letting you know of the info I have seen in the past and bringing it to your attention in regards for its use as part of a PCT.
 
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