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Tropinol....... Honestly.

Mission1

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Very disappointed with I-Force on this one.Didnt notice anything.Started with 2 a day then moved up to 3. I think the claim's are really blown out of proportion if true at all.Sorry guy's I finished 2 bottle's of make believe and Im angry with I-Force on this on. When something work's I tell all and pass it on. This supplement is a joke. Put more in the supplement than the packaging and presentation.I got a I- Force scar and it's disappointment!
 
From a devil's advocate perspective;

- iForce claims were backed up by studies which were the main selling point of the product i.e. 347% increase in total test levels. If anyone bought it for that reason the studies were legitimate.

On the other hand the studies were done in rats and the information on the product did not make that clear. I am sure many people bought it believing it was as applicable to humans.

- The human blood tests they declared were only two out of a group of alpha testers. Both sets of bloodwork were below normal T levels to begin with. When asked where the other sets of bloods were they said "they are coming" and they still haven't appeared.

A few reviews have popped up about it not delivering as claimed but if you looked at the product information and studies at the beginning you would have known you were buying it based on one herb with no history of delivering results in humans.

That is why I didn't buy it, I wanted feedback rather than blood tests on rats or hypogonadal men.
 
spogiderbaer said:
Hmmm ive heard that from a lot of people now, really sad as it looked very nice.

greetings Spogi
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To be honest, I've seen maybe 4-5 of these reviews so far, out of about 15,000 units being sold to end users.


I wish a natural supplement could work for everyone, but unfortunately even the most popular supplements don't work for every single user. Things like Activate Xtreme and Triazole have some awesome reviews(just like Tropinol), and a handful of negative reviews(just like Tropinol).


OP - I really am sorry you didn't have a great cycle on it. Shoot me a PM for some free samples/goodies to try out to see if you respond better to anything else in our line :)
 
bdcc said:
From a devil's advocate perspective;

- iForce claims were backed up by studies which were the main selling point of the product i.e. 347% increase in total test levels. If anyone bought it for that reason the studies were legitimate.

On the other hand the studies were done in rats and the information on the product did not make that clear. I am sure many people bought it believing it was as applicable to humans.

- The human blood tests they declared were only two out of a group of alpha testers. Both sets of bloodwork were below normal T levels to begin with. When asked where the other sets of bloods were they said "they are coming" and they still haven't appeared.

A few reviews have popped up about it not delivering as claimed but if you looked at the product information and studies at the beginning you would have known you were buying it based on one herb with no history of delivering results in humans.

That is why I didn't buy it, I wanted feedback rather than blood tests on rats or hypogonadal men.
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I understand your point of view completely. However, we have had end users post up their blood work which showed some really substantial raises.


As I said in the post above, it'd be great if 1 product worked for EVERYONE, but if that was the case there wouldn't be 500+ test boosters on the market :)
 
VaughnTrue said:
I understand your point of view completely. However, we have had end users post up their blood work which showed some really substantial raises.


As I said in the post above, it'd be great if 1 product worked for EVERYONE, but if that was the case there wouldn't be 500+ test boosters on the market :)
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As far as I am aware anybody who saw the 300%+ increase that was quoted fell below the low range as a starting point.

I looked religiously at feedback for the first couple of weeks because I really fancied trying this and when it came back below what was quoted it took the edge off the impulse purchase.

If there is any bloodwork that shows figures close to those advertised (from men in normal ranges to begin with) please let me know. Otherwise I will wait for more results and stick with more tried and tested supplements in the interim.
 
Only company I truly trust is Driven Sports. Solid ingredients that are backed up with blood work, marketed appropriately and not blown out of proportion.
 
2 bottles

No BS, just being honest I think the company is a good company and I am sure people are getting results. But I went through two bottles and didn't see any real improvement. And I am not a troll.

Products
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2x Tropinol (56 Capsules) By: iForce Nutrition

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Sub Total: $69.98
Shipping and Handling: $5.95
Total: $75.93
 
test boosters dont really do sh*t..

test booster=40 bucks, almost no gains (for most people)

steroids=30 bucks, mad gainz brahh *for more than most people
 
I feel the only way to know if something work's is before and after pic's. Real one's.Not the fake one's that you see in magazine's.Science is a a funny thing.Great chemically speaking you can see some increase's,but the bottom line is how you looked before and how you look now.And financially speaking The only gain was a decrease in my wallet!!
 
swollen87 said:
test boosters dont really do sh*t..

test booster=40 bucks, almost no gains (for most people)

steroids=30 bucks, mad gainz brahh *for more than most people
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I wouldn't say all test boosters......DAA is one of the best out now for $20..I'm not the least bit surprised about the lack of positive feedback with bulbine though. Its still too new of an ingred and there are too many "what Ifs"
 
mw1 said:
I wouldn't say all test boosters......DAA is one of the best out now for $20..I'm not the least bit surprised about the lack of positive feedback with bulbine though. Its still too new of an ingred and there are too many "what Ifs"
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yeah i forgot about daa... its awesome for libido, but 3g a day for a month didnt do much for body composition for me....
 
Any chance you overdosed the product? My understanding is that bulbine has a U shaped dose-response. Take too much and you'll actually lower your testosterone.

I was taking Phytoserms, 2-3 caps per day. Notta. So I stopped taking it. Took it a month later for 2 weeks at 1 cap per day. If shooting a load 5 feet for the first time in years is any indication, I'd say my test was up. Of course, blood work is needed to see how much.
 
rjp3900 said:
Any chance you overdosed the product? My understanding is that bulbine has a U shaped dose-response. Take too much and you'll actually lower your testosterone.

I was taking Phytoserms, 2-3 caps per day. Notta. So I stopped taking it. Took it a month later for 2 weeks at 1 cap per day. If shooting a load 5 feet for the first time in years is any indication, I'd say my test was up. Of course, blood work is needed to see how much.
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Ironic because test doesn't equal distance. Condition and tightening of the pelvic floor equals distance. More test/lh = spermatogenesis = more of a load, distance is controlled by muscle.
 
swollen87 said:
yeah i forgot about daa... its awesome for libido, but 3g a day for a month didnt do much for body composition for me....
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Up it to 6 grams. Every time I use daa I do 6 grams for 3 weeks but this time I'm gonna stay on for at least 8 weeks hell maybe even a year :D
 
I don't like the idea of DAA at all for this reason. When I have seen people ask about it to companies producing DAA products the answer has always been subjective and based on nothing but opinion.

Where is the line between safe and too much?
 
He might be a little busy for PM's for a while. Possibly not but just a heads up in case you don't get an instant reply.
 
Mission1 said:
Very disappointed with I-Force on this one.Didnt notice anything.Started with 2 a day then moved up to 3. I think the claim's are really blown out of proportion if true at all.Sorry guy's I finished 2 bottle's of make believe and Im angry with I-Force on this on. When something work's I tell all and pass it on. This supplement is a joke. Put more in the supplement than the packaging and presentation.I got a I- Force scar and it's disappointment!
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Your results and mine are about the same. However, I actually lost size and strength on Tropinol. I used it immediately after my Triazole + Activate cycle to keep the gains going, but nada. I still have nearly a whole bottle left. I stopped taking it after week 5 over concerns about toxicity. The human dosage is the same as the rat dosage that caused toxic issues with both the liver and kidneys. Even though Iforce claims they have proof that it isn't toxic in humans I haven’t seen any todate. I’m really disappointed in Iforce at this point.

There are only a few companies that I have faith in nearly all of their products. They are MAN, DS and I’m slowly gaining respect for Thermo Life products. They aren’t overhyped and seem to deliver fairly well.
 
I started taking 2 in the beginning,but I coundnt feel or see any difference.Vaughn sugguest that I try 3 a day.Went thru 2 bottles's with no result's and as far as I know no known side affect's. I feel fine, but IM VERY DISSAPOINTED!I think it's bull that it work's on some but not other's.I should of felt or noticed something.Next time I 'll wait for other people to be the guinnea pig's.
 
BBB said:
Your results and mine are about the same. However, I actually lost size and strength on Tropinol. I used it immediately after my Triazole + Activate cycle to keep the gains going, but nada. I still have nearly a whole bottle left. I stopped taking it after week 5 over concerns about toxicity. The human dosage is the same as the rat dosage that caused toxic issues with both the liver and kidneys. Even though Iforce claims they have proof that it isn't toxic in humans I haven’t seen any todate. I’m really disappointed in Iforce at this point.

There are only a few companies that I have faith in nearly all of their products. They are MAN, DS and I’m slowly gaining respect for Thermo Life products. They aren’t overhyped and seem to deliver fairly well.
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So because you tried one product that didn't work as you expected, you assume all products by the same company are bunk? Come on bro, we all know that everyone responds differently and that not everything works for everyone. I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience but we do everything we can to put out effective and innovative products.
 
kingjameskjf said:
So because you tried one product that didn't work as you expected, you assume all products by the same company are bunk? Come on bro, we all know that everyone responds differently and that not everything works for everyone. I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience but we do everything we can to put out effective and innovative products.
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maybe not all products from iforce suck, but tropinol sucks... i havent heard of any good gains or decent bloodwork or anything...

it seems that it will simply go down in history as just another hyped up test booster that did nothing but waste money and time....

i force should make more dymethazine... then you would have a product that works
 
swollen87 said:
maybe not all products from iforce suck, but tropinol sucks... i havent heard of any good gains or decent bloodwork or anything...

it seems that it will simply go down in history as just another hyped up test booster that did nothing but waste money and time....

i force should make more dymethazine... then you would have a product that works
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Then you really aren't looking very hard.


Look up the logs on this site...they're amazing! SolidusSnake had an awesome run, and his bloodwork showed test levels >1200!

TheSolution also did private bloodwork(log on MFF) and his showed a 100% increase in free testosterone, and a 200% increase in total testosterone!



Like I've said before, we've moved over 15,000 units since it was released. That's a LOT of product for us in a short amount of time. I have had emails coming in daily from people saying they love it and can't wait to pick up more.

Out of every bottle sold, I have heard negative reviews from MAYBE 4-5 people.
 
Wasn't Solidus using this in PCT and using a SERM?
 
I would like to see before and after pic's of Tropinal user's. That's great that supposely test was raised,but can you see it physically.I think it's how you look before and after taking a product that would make it sell.If it was sooooo earth shattering let's see true result's,not word's and number's. Thank's
 
I actually thru nearly a hole bottle of Tropinol in the trash this morning. If the company can't produce some evidence of the safety of their product, other than "trust us, it's OK", I'm not buying another product.
 
BBB said:
I actually thru nearly a hole bottle of Tropinol in the trash this morning. If the company can't produce some evidence of the safety of their product, other than "trust us, it's OK", I'm not buying another product.
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I'm confused as what you're referring to to be honest.


~2 weeks ago we had the huge thread with people claiming BN cant hurt lipids and cause liver issues, however blood work was provided by the owners of ProLensis that show on cycle results of both lipids/liver, and both are within normal range.


And everyone seems to forget that the blood AR published himself wayyyy before any product came out include both his lipids/liver ratings. :D





As I offered in a previous post, if you'd like to try some other stuff from iForce let me know. But throwing out 1/2 a bottle of a product that you could possibly be dosing too little or too much of(thus rendering semi useless) seems a little overboard for me.


This board sure did get a lot more drama to it since bb.com went commie
 
swollen87 said:
test boosters dont really do sh*t..

test booster=40 bucks, almost no gains (for most people)

steroids=30 bucks, mad gainz brahh *for more than most people
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lol..thats something to think about.
Ive never tried Tropinol so I cant speak on these new supposedly stronger test boosters, but on a whole, this category gets undeserving credit for having real mass building potential. Most likely because they help normalize you during PCT, a natural athlete mistakenly assumes he can get jacked on an herbal. Dont get me wrong they have their place..they can make you feel great, give your libido a nice boost, etc. but I wouldnt expect lbs. of muscle from a cycle from 99.9% of them.
 
here are the ones from Sldge...

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Same results as OP for me.....ZERO. Nothing, nada. not even a slight increase in training desire. 3 a day the whole time. I dont really blame Iforce though, I think lots of people are coming to the realization herbals are JUNK. The massive % increases from rat studies pasted on labels with exclamation marks everywhere dont cut it anymore. I'll never spend my coin on another herbal again. I blame myself for being an easily mislead consumer.

Herbals = Farce.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Same results as OP for me.....ZERO. Nothing, nada. not even a slight increase in training desire. 3 a day the whole time. I dont really blame Iforce though, I think lots of people are coming to the realization herbals are JUNK. The massive % increases from rat studies pasted on labels with exclamation marks everywhere dont cut it anymore. I'll never spend my coin on another herbal again. I blame myself for being an easily mislead consumer.

Herbals = Farce.
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not to turn this into a different product thread, BUT tropinol is WELL worth the money and you won't be disappointed.
some ingredients just don't work as well as they appear on paper. You might have an increase in test, just not enough to elicit the results desired.
 
Huh? People are in here saying it IS a disappointment. And your saying it may increase test - BUT, not enough to elict the response you want? How is that not a disappointment? If your not getting what you want. *shakes head*
eeeeshhh, Im outta this thread. Like I said: The onus was on me to try it and buy it. dont say you haven't been warned bout another grass pill ya'll.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Huh? People are in here saying it IS a disappointment. And your saying it may increase test - BUT, not enough to elict the response you want? How is that not a disappointment? If your not getting what you want. *shakes head*
eeeeshhh, Im outta this thread. Like I said: The onus was on me to try it and buy it. dont say you haven't been warned bout another grass pill ya'll.
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There is a lot to read into when it says up to 300+% increase in test.
You take the pill, I take the pill, you see a 300% increase, I see a 50% increase. Some people respond better to pills than others, bloodwork shows that some of these products work.

If you look through most threads that are started on supplements, you can see that most people will make a comment when they don't see the results they had desired. This is common in a lot of industries, it's why they have call centers, so people can call when they need to resolve an issue or complain about a problem. You will rarely, if ever hear of someone calling in to say thanks. Similar with supplements, there can be 1000 satisfied users, 50 dissatisfied users, and most of those 50 will say something, and you may get a few of the 1000 satisfied users stepping in to say "hey it worked for me".
 
Bnatural said:
There is a lot to read into when it says up to 300+% increase in test.
You take the pill, I take the pill, you see a 300% increase, I see a 50% increase. Some people respond better to pills than others, bloodwork shows that some of these products work.

If you look through most threads that are started on supplements, you can see that most people will make a comment when they don't see the results they had desired. This is common in a lot of industries, it's why they have call centers, so people can call when they need to resolve an issue or complain about a problem. You will rarely, if ever hear of someone calling in to say thanks. Similar with supplements, there can be 1000 satisfied users, 50 dissatisfied users, and most of those 50 will say something, and you may get a few of the 1000 satisfied users stepping in to say "hey it worked for me".
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True, * No news is good news*. I have kids in school..the principal calls up. I know its not to tell me how proud she is of my kids..lol..it just how people are. OTOH, a marketing team can be misleading. Example-500 people are tested on a test booster, GH booster, whatever..450 people see about a 100% increase, a couple dozen more see a 150% increase..maybe 6 people see a 500% increase..now they can claim "up to a 500% increase in blah,blah.." knowing damn well this wont hold true for the average user. The right thing to do would be to take the average increase and post it (they can even talk about the uber few whos levels skyrocketed if that makes them feel better). Otherwise theyre just shooting themselves in the foot once feedback hits.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
True, * No news is good news*. I have kids in school..the principal calls up. I know its not to tell me how proud she is of my kids..lol..it just how people are. OTOH, a marketing team can be misleading. Example-500 people are tested on a test booster, GH booster, whatever..450 people see about a 100% increase, a couple dozen more see a 150% increase..maybe 6 people see a 500% increase..now they can claim "up to a 500% increase in blah,blah.." knowing damn well this wont hold true for the average user. The right thing to do would be to take the average increase and post it (they can even talk about the uber few whos levels skyrocketed if that makes them feel better). Otherwise theyre just shooting themselves in the foot once feedback hits.
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truth, but there is always going to be negative feedback, and on every product available. Look at creatine, it's almost as extensively studied as aspartame, and yet it still gets mixed reviews, even with all of the positive effects it produces. Products will still sell.
 
Bnatural said:
truth, but there is always going to be negative feedback, and on every product available. Look at creatine, it's almost as extensively studied as aspartame, and yet it still gets mixed reviews, even with all of the positive effects it produces. Products will still sell.
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of course..theres nothing on this planet that will work perfectly for everyone. Not even steroids. If you have a compound that works for 80% of users consider it a success. Some non responders have to realize that sometimes its just their bad luck if something doesnt work...but that doesnt let supp companies off the hook with the exaggerated claims.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
of course..theres nothing on this planet that will work perfectly for everyone. Not even steroids. If you have a compound that works for 80% of users consider it a success. Some non responders have to realize that sometimes its just their bad luck if something doesnt work...but that doesnt let supp companies off the hook with the exaggerated claims.
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Thanks Johnnie and Bnat...I have a hard time explaining this to everyone, but its the truth.


If the product didn't work, we would have THOUSANDS of people who are inexplicably gaining weight/strength/libido over what would in essence be a sugar pill. Placebo is strong, but not that strong ;)
 
VaughnTrue said:
Thanks Johnnie and Bnat...I have a hard time explaining this to everyone, but its the truth.


If the product didn't work, we would have THOUSANDS of people who are inexplicably gaining weight/strength/libido over what would in essence be a sugar pill. Placebo is strong, but not that strong ;)
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lol...fair enough.:wink1:
 
VaughnTrue said:
Thanks Johnnie and Bnat...I have a hard time explaining this to everyone, but its the truth.


If the product didn't work, we would have THOUSANDS of people who are inexplicably gaining weight/strength/libido over what would in essence be a sugar pill. Placebo is strong, but not that strong ;)
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Can we get even a hundred positive threads about this product if there really are thousands whom are having success with it?

I havent seen too many for need to's product either.
just a few links showing some great results....thats all im asking for.
 
RUNNER 67 said:
Can we get even a hundred positive threads about this product if there really are thousands whom are having success with it?

I havent seen too many for need to's product either.
just a few links showing some great results....thats all im asking for.
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The vast majority of people do not keep logs on product. Hell, the vast majority of people have never been on a supplement forum.


However, if you take just 2-3 minutes to search the log section here, modernfitnessforum, bodybuilding.com and dssupps.com, you'll see all the current logs!
 
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