Why do you use PH when there are real stuff ?

Markusrulezzz

Markusrulezzz

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Are there any good reasons other than the NEEDLES !

I was so afraid of needles, my first time I was shaking, sweating and took me 20 mins, first 15 mins trying to toot nd boot it, make me feel stupid ohooo hhoo hooo ohooo hoo ! I closed my eyes and pinned that 1.5 up my bum and when I opened my eyes, I was like DAMN THAT WAS IT ??????? SO EASy !
 
I'm assuming access to legit gear for most? For myself, I'm just a 200lbs sissy when it comes to needles. Yeah, I put it out there. Heck, the flu shot scares me! LOL But I'll be running a couple of dbol only cycles soon unless I can get some androgel even though I know it won't be very effective. I know I know...whatever!

Ugh...the thought of pinning and hitting nerve or something!!
 
I like PH's cause they kick in much faster, and you can get awesome gains in 4-5 weeks instead of 12-14. A combo of both is the way to go :D

My g/f sticks me....I tried once and couldn't do it, LOL.
 
Some people don't want to risk a felony over some juice either
 
I use both, and I include mdrol/havoc in every cycle cos theyr so damn good. my three fav AAS=tren(ace), mdrol, high dose epi. epi beats var and winny for fat-loss, strength, and mostly in the feel-good dept......plus I'm a sucker for cool looking bottles, havoc bottles and mdrol bottles are pimpin

there is such an ignorant attitude towards ph's on most AAS boards, like you'll just get told DUMP THEM KIDDIES PH'S BRUH, GET SOME TEST!! when the reality is that test isnt even that good at all. I've also ran EQ and Primo, and tbh, they were ****
 
Markusrulezzz said:
Are there any good reasons other than the NEEDLES !

I was so afraid of needles, my first time I was shaking, sweating and took me 20 mins, first 15 mins trying to toot nd boot it, make me feel stupid ohooo hhoo hooo ohooo hoo ! I closed my eyes and pinned that 1.5 up my bum and when I opened my eyes, I was like DAMN THAT WAS IT ??????? SO EASy !
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A) access
B) legality
C) real vs fake product
D) Needles
E) Necessary?

I'm a total novice having only run one cycle. I finished Halotest, a pro-mag PH clone and gained 14lbs in 5 weeks. I'm on week 8 of Bill Starr 5x5 with no sign of needing to deload. That said, steroids might be better, I don't really know. I'm currently trying to consider what to use for next cycle which will be recomp in April. Thinking of a) winnie b) turinabol c) epi. I'll be moving calories to 300 calories below maint, adding some cardio, but still running Bill Starr 5x5.

Re: needles, I'd have to have my wife do it, and she's fervently against it so I'm SOL.
 
I would have to say access is my biggest problem. I dont wanna get screwed over with some fake crap and blow a ton of money for no gains. If I had a definite source I would start immediately
 
All prohormones are getting banned in the future anyways- THIS IS WHAT I HEARD- i do not know how true it is so dont get your panties in a wad


anyways Dianabol- hands down best oral I have ever used
epi is second

but tren ace is king

and NPP is good


i prefer injectables cause its WAY easier to maintain gains
 
They're mostly all steroids and what it comes down to is ease of access, fear of injecting, and fear of going to jail.

Although legit steroids are pretty easy to find. And injecting is easy as hell.
 
i can get 2 grams of dianabol for about 25 bucks

and its better than SD
 
LOL most charities wont take dianabol :) all them orphans could use it to beef up tho


its raw powder thats why its DIRT cheap :)
 
why dont we define what 'real stuff' is?

is real stuff illegal stuff?

so lets pose the question : '' why do you use legal stuff when there is illegal stuff? ''

do we need to spell out the obvious answer(s) ?


you may as well ask '' why do you smoke cigarettes when you can smoke weed? ''
 
I feel better knowing all I'm doing is taking pills. As with any drug, once you start shooting it, that's when you have a problem. (IMO Bitches)
 
hungryH said:
you think so? I prefer sd it gives me more gains/strength and dbol makes me look like a fat bastard
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true that... dbol is awesome for massive weight and size gain.. but sd is like a dry dbol for me.. i blow the f up.. and im still dry as hell.. with veins coming out of everywhere.. dont get me wrong i love dbol.. hell i bridged dbol to sd to kick my last cycle.. the week i added dbol i went from a puffy **** to a dryer more ripped up look... for size dbol hands down.. but for quality size thats dry sd all day

also i liked sd more for strength
 
bakerderek0 said:
I feel better knowing all I'm doing is taking pills. As with any drug, once you start shooting it, that's when you have a problem. (IMO Bitches)
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your logic makes no sense


method of delivery doesnt matter in my mind, what matters is damage done


orals are WAY worse for the body than the oils
 
schwellington said:
your logic makes no sense


method of delivery doesnt matter in my mind, what matters is damage done


orals are WAY worse for the body than the oils
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That was my answer to the op. Im sure some will understand my logic. Why do try and get everyone to pin? Do you own stock in a pin company or homebrew aas?
 
Markusrulezzz said:
Are there any good reasons other than the NEEDLES !

I was so afraid of needles, my first time I was shaking, sweating and took me 20 mins, first 15 mins trying to toot nd boot it, make me feel stupid ohooo hhoo hooo ohooo hoo ! I closed my eyes and pinned that 1.5 up my bum and when I opened my eyes, I was like DAMN THAT WAS IT ??????? SO EASy !
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so what you meant to ask was why do people choose oral steroids over injectable steroids?

lots of reasons, most common would be due to it's easier to pop a pill than do an injection.

convience. it's what all the pharmacuetical companies have been trying to achieve for years.

consumers dont want to go through all the hassels of injecting, they just want to down some pills, or liquid, and be on their way.

title of this thread is stupid.
and testosterone, in whatever form you take it, is still also a pro hormone.
 
bigzach1234 said:
true that... dbol is awesome for massive weight and size gain.. but sd is like a dry dbol for me.. i blow the f up.. and im still dry as hell.. with veins coming out of everywhere.. dont get me wrong i love dbol.. hell i bridged dbol to sd to kick my last cycle.. the week i added dbol i went from a puffy **** to a dryer more ripped up look... for size dbol hands down.. but for quality size thats dry sd all day

also i liked sd more for strength
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i agree, dbol is a great bulker that you can run longer but SD is better and more drastic...but is harsher than dbol
 
I ran aas first and than just ph"s. The first aas was tes e/ eq which are both slow acting and don't hurt that bad, than went into masteron and tes p. Sh!t that was bad, I had no clue what to tell the college gf?? That was the last time I pined anything

Ph"s are just easy, accessible , quick acting. It's hard to find something stronger than sd.....

There's just possibiltites of stuff going wrong so people need to be careful. A teenage kid buys some and next thing you know there's a gyno thread 3wks later
 
schwellington said:
your logic makes no sense


method of delivery doesnt matter in my mind, what matters is damage done


orals are WAY worse for the body than the oils
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this isn't true. it all still depends on the compound being used.

it isn't oral or injectable, it's the type of steroid used. and there are injectable non methylated steroids that are worse on the body than an oral steroid.

example? 1-testosterone (injectable) vs oral esterfied testosterone aka andriol.

the oral andriol is going to be alot better on your body than the oil based injectable 1-test.

:lmao:
 
I would glady get the real stuff but I dont want my name attached to any receipts (my job) plus I wanna know what im buying isnt horse piss and is actually the real deal.
 
jbryand101b said:
this isn't true. it all still depends on the compound being used.

it isn't oral or injectable, it's the type of steroid used. and there are injectable non methylated steroids that are worse on the body than an oral steroid.

example? 1-testosterone (injectable) vs oral esterfied testosterone aka andriol.

the oral andriol is going to be alot better on your body than the oil based injectable 1-test.

:lmao:
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agreed- but in general

i should have stated that ^ :P
 
jbryand101b said:
title of this thread is stupid.
and testosterone, in whatever form you take it, is still also a pro hormone.
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lol I've explained this to the OP a couple times now everytime he came out with the "PH's suck use the real stuff" attitude.

you're not gonna get through to him
 
Aren't most ... if not all injectables illegal?

I think ... well if you are Arnold and you're competing against the best physiques i the world ... and that's your life's work then ... maybe risking going to jail is worth thinking about.

But if you're like most of us - and you lift to feel good and reach personal goals and stuff like that - in other words, amateur hobby type guys ... why would you risk going to jail when there is good legal stuff out there?
 
It all boils down to preference I guess, and legality. If you can get huge legally vs huge illegally why go with the latter? The days of legal PH/PS are definitely dwindling down though, you will be hard pressed to find a well known brand (C.E.L. for example) anywhere besides somewhere like Ebay. When given the option, I am sure most folks would rather not possess a controlled substance and risk getting arrested. That being said, there are not very many legal options these days that are comparable to old school AAS. And the ones that are still available are getting absurdly expensive. PH/PS have always been in that grey area with law enforcement anyway.

As for the "cool bottle" thing, I think that is dangerous as crap. I agree the old Havoc black bottle was pretty awesome looking, but the problem is that appeals to your 15 year old HS football player who is not fully developed and has no idea what support supplements are let alone a proper PCT. It is kindove a good thing that the stuff isn't available in GNC and vitamin world anymore, when you think about it like that.

My favorite cycle used to be a bridge starting with Havoc and ending with CEL Sdrol. I would get freaking mongo strong on that stuff. The good ol' days...
 
wilsmash4food said:
It all boils down to preference I guess, and legality. If you can get huge legally vs huge illegally why go with the latter? The days of legal PH/PS are definitely dwindling down though, you will be hard pressed to find a well known brand (C.E.L. for example) anywhere besides somewhere like Ebay. When given the option, I am sure most folks would rather not possess a controlled substance and risk getting arrested. That being said, there are not very many legal options these days that are comparable to old school AAS. And the ones that are still available are getting absurdly expensive. PH/PS have always been in that grey area with law enforcement anyway.

As for the "cool bottle" thing, I think that is dangerous as crap. I agree the old Havoc black bottle was pretty awesome looking, but the problem is that appeals to your 15 year old HS football player who is not fully developed and has no idea what support supplements are let alone a proper PCT. It is kindove a good thing that the stuff isn't available in GNC and vitamin world anymore, when you think about it like that.

My favorite cycle used to be a bridge starting with Havoc and ending with CEL Sdrol. I would get freaking mongo strong on that stuff. The good ol' days...
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A. You loose your gains much easier on orals
B.Orals in general are harsher on the body
C.Injections provide steadier levels of hormones
D.Injections bring about less side effects (generally)
E. All Over the Counter Hormones will be illegal shortly
 
This is a great thread.

Personally, as long as my sources don't dry up, I have no desire to ever pick up a PH. But I talk to guys in my gym that make good gains off them. So does that mean either one of us is right? Prob not. I just feel that the hormones that I'm injecting are more powerful than the ones you can buy in a tab or cap. Can I prove it? No, but I challenge you to prove otherwise. We all have preferences.

The legality of it doesn't bother me any, because I know that it's absolutely ridiculous that they are illegal to begin with. So I don't feel I am doing anything wrong. I do, however, realize the risk involved so if there is consequence, I can say I knew it was a possibility.
 
banana joose said:
This is a great thread.

Personally, as long as my sources don't dry up, I have no desire to ever pick up a PH. But I talk to guys in my gym that make good gains off them. So does that mean either one of us is right? Prob not. I just feel that the hormones that I'm injecting are more powerful than the ones you can buy in a tab or cap. Can I prove it? No, but I challenge you to prove otherwise. We all have preferences.

The legality of it doesn't bother me any, because I know that it's absolutely ridiculous that they are illegal to begin with. So I don't feel I am doing anything wrong. I do, however, realize the risk involved so if there is consequence, I can say I knew it was a possibility.
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HOPEFULLY people don't equate LEGALITY with MORALITY.

legality changes. morality doesn't.
 
schwellington said:
A. You loose your gains much easier on orals
B.Orals in general are harsher on the body
C.Injections provide steadier levels of hormones
D.Injections bring about less side effects (generally)
E. All Over the Counter Hormones will be illegal shortly
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A) this is a bro science myth.

B) methylated steroids you mean.

C) this is somewhat true. tbol can be taken twice per day to maintain steady blood levels over a 24 hour period.

D) not less sides effects, just different side effects.

E) not really, what is not banned will be banned someday, and then there will be new unbanned steroids released.

un banned compounds possibilities are endless.

I'm not sure why you are on this "illegal steroids are better" kick schwell, buying steroids off the black market, esp injectable ones, come with their own host of potential risks.
legal, and health.

as far as actual steroids, a steroid is a steroid, no matter if it's banned or not.
just because a supplement company calls something a pro hormone to make it look legal, does not mean it is any less of a steroid than dianabol, anavar, tbol, bolasterone, ect.

here is a look at the awsome world of black market injectables. side effect free!

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jbryand101b said:
A) this is a bro science myth.

B) methylated steroids you mean.

C) this is somewhat true. tbol can be taken twice per day to maintain steady blood levels over a 24 hour period.

D) not less sides effects, just different side effects.

E) not really, what is not banned will be banned someday, and then there will be new unbanned steroids released.

un banned compounds possibilities are endless.

I'm not sure why you are on this "illegal steroids are better" kick schwell, buying steroids off the black market, esp injectable ones, come with their own host of potential risks.
legal, and health.

as far as actual steroids, a steroid is a steroid, no matter if it's banned or not.
just because a supplement company calls something a pro hormone to make it look legal, does not mean it is any less of a steroid than dianabol, anavar, tbol, bolasterone, ect.

here is a look at the awsome world of black market injectables. side effect free!

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Gee, thanks for the vid bro! I was snacking on yogurt and granola when I clicked on your link and saw all those open sores! :rasp:

And that's one of the reasons I never use "research chems" and UGL stuff that so many recommend here. Of course one UGL differs from the next but you never really know what you're getting?! I always recommend people go with pharma grade stuff if they can get it.
 
kanakafarian said:
Gee, thanks for the vid bro! I was snacking on yogurt and granola when I clicked on your link and saw all those open sores! :rasp:

And that's one of the reasons I never use "research chems" and UGL stuff that so many recommend here. Of course one UGL differs from the next but you never really know what you're getting?! I always recommend people go with pharma grade stuff if they can get it.
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Are you sure most if not all of the photos in that video are from using dirty needles? Not saying it can't happen from a bad lab but I don't know. I have been a fan of otc legal steroids, mostly because I don't know how to get hookups for the injects and ordering online looks terrible... and anyway you can only run so many legal oral steroids or any oral steroid cycle for so long.
 
dirty needles, dirty gear, all falls into the same point i was making with that video, these are other potential side effects of injectable steroids.

and there is no difference in "amount of cycle you can run" with oral or injectable cycles.

gains made from testosterone are not magically different than gains made from superdrol.

experts agree shorter cycles are better overall for a person than longer cycles. and you aren't going to run a very good short injectable cycle unless you are using a suspension base, or acetate at best.

gains cease after 6-8 weeks on steroids. even if it takes 2-3 weeks to build up levels to supra physiological levels, your still basically running the compound for the same amount of time.

this is why non methylated steroids have precedence over methylated ones. they can be ran at higher dosages for longer (in this case, testosterone for ex).

but the longer you run the cycle the more it is going to negatively effect your hpta function, and increase negative side effects.

if injecting is your choice for using steroids, then using a suspension type compound (like test suspension) for 6-8 weeks (42-56 shots) would be the way to go. if you can handle it.
 
BUT

if you take precautions and KNOW your supplier then these things aren't issues


FDA is working on a ban to ban ALL steroidal subtances (this is iwhat the grapevine told me so i dontk now how legit it is)

Also

6 weeks on an oral doesnt give the body time to adjust to the new muscle mass gained......thus wont it catabolize it first?



explain yo self MR JBRYAND!
 
and- i continue to make gains after 6-8 weeks so on that point im the exception :P

provided i introduced new compounds


i did notice though after about 5 weeks on dianabol the gains starting to slow down- till i added trenbolone

thats my point is all

advisable- no not really

did i do it anyways? Why hell yes i did
 
Schwell I don't think it's the oral compound itself that has anything to do with the lost gains after cycle it is simply about the cycle length.

I agree with you about a trusted supplier.
 
Who says gains go away on orals? I disagree with that entirely. I am still holding on to 10 lbs of muscle from an xtren/ hdrol cycle last year. You will lose gains from ANY cycle, oral or pin, if you dont do right after it is over. And like any other man made chemical you put into your body, they all have side effects. The side effects become an issue when you start abusing the steroid. Like say...doing dbol for 5 weeks and then starting tren because your gains are slowing down.
Ill go out and say that a 6 week cycle of superdrol and x-tren would give you just as many if not more gains than any old school hormone. And if you have never done either of those hormones then you don't have an opinion, because you dont know what sdrol was like.
 
wilsmash4food said:
Who says gains go away on orals? I disagree with that entirely. I am still holding on to 10 lbs of muscle from an xtren/ hdrol cycle last year. You will lose gains from ANY cycle, oral or pin, if you dont do right after it is over. And like any other man made chemical you put into your body, they all have side effects. The side effects become an issue when you start abusing the steroid. Like say...doing dbol for 5 weeks and then starting tren because your gains are slowing down.
Ill go out and say that a 6 week cycle of superdrol and x-tren would give you just as many if not more gains than any old school hormone. And if you have never done either of those hormones then you don't have an opinion, because you dont know what sdrol was like.
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like chocolate milk said its not the orals themselves but the fact they cannot be run long enough to solidify ALL gains


i guarentee you i loose none of my gains i made from dianabol


but then again im on a long

long



long





lonnnnnnnnnnng cycle
 
I give up. hey, if your making gains still, well, good luck.

the anabolic process is a complex one. PA or Will Llewellyn can better explain it. ask them to break it down.
 
I personally feel that these legal methylated steroids can't really be ran long enough. People wanting to take there body's muscular development over the red line are asking for trouble if they try this with just solely legal methylated ph's i think..
 
Hey, Arnold ran Dbol for 6 months at a time and right up to contest. I wish that after his political career ends he would wright a book about his usage. I would love to pick his brain about how they did it in the good ol' days.
 
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