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New Years Sale? Fadogia-500 from iForce...who is interested?

saludable24 said:
Price jumped to 19.99. I thought it was on sale for the whole 2 weeks for 15.99. Is that not so?
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gah. he did say it was. i just started mine today so hopefully ill know within a few days if its worth buying more or not.
 
It was supposed to be up 2 weeks. Looks like they altered it due to the Fadogia/Tropinol deal.
 
Hmm, so these should be over 0.625 grams per cap, but they weigh out at 0.5 grams on my scale. 10 caps weight out at 5.0g, 20 caps at 10.0-10.1g
 
Love this stuff. My muscles look soo full when i wake up in the morning! Kinda like im on a cycle. But guess what. im not! So props to iforce! deff going to be a staple for 8 weeks and taking my breaks in between...I know i wont stop taking it.
 
madds87 said:
Love this stuff. My muscles look soo full when i wake up in the morning! Kinda like im on a cycle. But guess what. im not! So props to iforce! deff going to be a staple for 8 weeks and taking my breaks in between...I know i wont stop taking it.
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I haven't stopped taking it for MONTHS. Love it, simply amazing (that... and EcdyMorph) are two of my favorites :)
 
Outstanding said:
I haven't stopped taking it for MONTHS. Love it, simply amazing (that... and EcdyMorph) are two of my favorites :)
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I was under the impression that you SHOULDN'T take it for more than a few months due to negative effects on the testicles (no we aren't mice, but if the positive effects translate into humans, it's reasonable to say that the negative ones do aswell.) In case anyone is wondering what i'm talking about:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18023305 said:
Effects of oral administration of aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem on some testicular function indices of male rats.

Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.

Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, P.M.B. 1515 Ilorin, Nigeria. [email protected]
Abstract

AIM OF THE STUDY: The effects of administration of aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem on some testicular function indices of male rats (Rattus norvegicus) and their recovery potentials for 10 days were investigated.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: Rats were grouped into four: A, B, C and D where A (the control) received orally 1 ml of distilled water (the vehicle), B, C and D (the test groups) received orally on daily basis graded doses of 18, 50 and 100mg/kg body weight of the plant extract, respectively, for 28 days.

RESULTS: Compared with the control, extract administration for 28 days at all the doses resulted in significant increase (P<0.05) in percentage testes-body weight ratio, testicular cholesterol, sialic acid, glycogen, acid phosphatase and gamma-glutamyl transferase activities while there was significant decrease (P<0.05) in the activities of testicular alkaline phosphatase, acid phosphatase, glutamate dehydrogenase and concentrations of protein. Recoveries were made by the animals on some of the testicular function indices mainly at 18 mg/kg body weight.

CONCLUSIONS: The alterations brought about by the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem are indications of adverse effects on the male rat testicular function and this may adversely affect the functional capacities of the testes. The recovery made at the dose of 18 mg/kg body weight as used in folklore medicine suggests that it does not exhibit permanent toxicity at this dose.
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Nigeria? No!

HAHA! ;)

I have no idea... I lost my testicle measure device; it doubles as a freight scale for semis.

(Note: I am completely kidding and will read what you posted later, but I'm clocking out and wanted to make one side splitting remark before bidding a good evening to Anabolic Minds)
 
Outstanding that dude has been sweating that study way too much. There is negative research on SERMs when it comes to the HPTA yet for most it works quite well. You need to do research and come with your personal decision. At the end of the day too much of anything can be a bad thing, do bloodwork if you are worried, that simple.
 
Outstanding said:
Nigeria? No!

HAHA! ;)

I have no idea... I lost my testicle measure device; it doubles as a freight scale for semis.

(Note: I am completely kidding and will read what you posted later, but I'm clocking out and wanted to make one side splitting remark before bidding a good evening to Anabolic Minds)
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:mischievous:
 
andrew732 said:
Outstanding that dude has been sweating that study way too much. There is negative research on SERMs when it comes to the HPTA yet for most it works quite well. You need to do research and come with your personal decision. At the end of the day too much of anything can be a bad thing, do bloodwork if you are worried, that simple.
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"That dude has been sweating that study way too much"........it's the first time I've EVER posted it anywhere. I am really getting sick of you reps, as soon as somebody says something remotely bad about a product you sell it's go go go.

And yes, you are saying the same thing I was saying...too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.
 
Actually I am a sponsored athlete and good friend of Nate the owner of NTBM. This has nothing to do with NTBM but fadogia. I just saw you another thread complaining about the same issue.

To Vaughn True you seem to be hating on NTBM from what I have noticed, I guess it sucks to that you got serious competition...
 
andrew732 said:
Actually I am a sponsored athlete and good friend of Nate the owner of NTBM. This has nothing to do with NTBM but fadogia. I just saw you another thread complaining about the same issue.

To Vaughn True you seem to be hating on NTBM from what I have noticed, I guess it sucks to that you got serious competition...
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Negative. I have only ever said good things about fadogia. I ordered two bottles of the iFOrce stuff myself. Care to show me a link to that thread where supposedly I was complaing about it?

Not only do you conceal the fact that you a sponsored athlete until called out on it, you also make things up. I am never buying a NTBM product, ever.
 
Remember when I repped you? It was for the same issue about the rat study.

Secondly who called me out, many people know I am an athlete for NTBM, I just don't put in my sig cause I don't rep on this forum just show support.

Lastly what do i care if you purchase a NTBM product or not, stop crying and just do you.
 
andrew732 said:
Actually I am a sponsored athlete and good friend of Nate the owner of NTBM. This has nothing to do with NTBM but fadogia. I just saw you another thread complaining about the same issue.

To Vaughn True you seem to be hating on NTBM from what I have noticed, I guess it sucks to that you got serious competition...
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Well I figure it's fair for anyone with any affiliation to any company to be upfront about it in a signature. Anything short of this will be viewed as deception, intended or not.

From what I've seen, Vaughn True tends to stay very on point and at least when you view his post you can see he works for a company and take from that what you will.
 
Can't we all just agree Fadogia is bombastic bliss?

Here's my thoughts on Fadogia, summed up in picture:

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;)
 
I think at most we can conclude that there is conflicting data on fadogia. One study says it damages, another says it increases testicular output. Now to say it does both simultaneously is a bit much. My background in endorinology is by all means very basic but certain things can be concluded based on basics. For one that if a product damages the testicles or causes atrophy, I believe they will be unable to increase endogenous testosterone. So further studies need be either done or found to see what is actually going on and preferibly some human studies/bloodwork can help clarify this considerably.

There is also a study which looks into liver and kidney toxicity showing it to be safe in that regard.

Like Andrew has said, proper research needs to be done and anything in excess can be dangerous. To date it seems Fadogia is best not mega dosed and cycled properly. At the doses both NTBM and Iforce recommend seem to be under the level which the rat study showed to have major damage.

Also we must take into account the differences in rate to human data and we must also take into account the anecdotal data recieved by countless fadogia users. If testicular impairment was a tue issue, more individuals would note negative sides attributed to testicular atrophy while on fadogia for long durations are excessive dosages.

That being said Both NTBM and Iforce are companies that I believe if they found an ingredient to be detrimental to their consumer population, they will remove said ingredient.
 
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