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Okay ive decided to stop otc hormones for several reasons one being i have several legit sources in country for aas

sooo this is what i have at my disposal


week 1-4 dbol- 50 mg ed
week 1-12 test p 500mg ew
week 7-12 epistane at 60 mg

pct

clomid 75/50/50/25
hcgenerate
tcf-1
MK-2866 SARM


adex at a low dose too like .5 mg eod


input please


and if ur gunna flam- dont waste ur time or mine please


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You sure you're ready to pin eod for your first inject??? Why not test e or cyp?? Just my initial thought.. but if you can pin frequently enough, test prop i think would be good for you.


Also, dbol will get you big... But looking at your pics, it doesn't look like you need something as 'wet' as dbol at this point. Why not kick things off with SD and try to work towards a 12 week recomp, leaning out some AND gaining a litttle bit of LBM.
 
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i would cut to 200lbs b4 this cycle



and ive used needles b4
 
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positive im rdy


test p is alll i can get my hands on domestycly
 

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Mannnnn **** all this.


Do your test prop, I wanna see schelly on some trenbolone. Just shoot 75mg of tren A with every test P inject.
 
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no way for first injec lol? ive read the sides-no thanks
 
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ur facking crazy dude that shizz is no joke i have researched it a tiny bit- sides no thanks i ll stick with good ol dbol, test, winnie,var, sust- those guys lol


im gunna get some cjc-1295 dac to throw into my pct


for those of u who dont know what that is it basically forces the body to release massive amounts of HGH


anywho what u guys think?


I may be able to get test e
i dont mind pinning at all btw
 
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what happened to the boladrol you were suppose to run for ibe? or will you squeeze that in between your pct now and the beginning of that cycle lol. you know im just bustin your nuts. im happy to see you on inj a lot better for you than all those methyl oral only cycles. now cut down on the orals here too
 
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My first inject WILL include trenbolone. Always wanted to try that ****..
bad choice for a first inject. i didnt do that until cycle 4-5.

OP, if u can get prop, u can get test e or c, just gotta know where to look :wink1:
 
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Take out the HCGenerate during PCT unless you want to sabotage your recovery.
 
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You sure you're ready to pin eod for your first inject??? Why not test e or cyp?? Just my initial thought.. but if you can pin frequently enough, test prop i think would be good for you.


Also, dbol will get you big... But looking at your pics, it doesn't look like you need something as 'wet' as dbol at this point. Why not kick things off with SD and try to work towards a 12 week recomp, leaning out some AND gaining a litttle bit of LBM.
Agreed, I would look to replace the dbol w/tbol. If you can get tbol, you could run it at 50-75mg e/d.


Take out the HCGenerate during PCT unless you want to sabotage your recovery.
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I would say before you do this take a little more time off from your last cycle, do some things to get your receptors nice and primed and sensitive, then do the prop or test e at 500mg/week with an ai only if needed, throw hcg in there too so your balls still hang low, you don't want them desensitized after all these cycles your doing, if you add in the dbol, which I suspect you will, use the ai off the bat. I would make sure you do everything possible to have the maximum benefits of the test. I would suggest a slightly longer then normal break for, putting NOTHING in your body, then do this cycle and reap the most benefits...just my thoughts
 
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Take out the HCGenerate during PCT unless you want to sabotage your recovery.
why is this? im curious to the data you have that shows this.

and have you ever used this product?

im curious to which natural compound contributes to it sabatoging recovery during pct. worked great for me at 10 caps e/d as well as others at an even lesser dosage.
 
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I understand the total test and free test relationship. do you have any studies, or blood work to support such claims?

I'm sure you wouldn't say such a thing unless you knew of a specific study done on one of the compounds, showing it to negatively effect hpta function, or hurt recovery of normal hormone production.

so is it the total test vs free test relationship that is going to make an impact, or the shbg & e2 relationship? are you even sure you know what your talking about?
 
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I understand the total test and free test relationship. do you have any studies, or blood work to support such claims?

I'm sure you wouldn't say such a thing unless you knew of a specific study done on one of the compounds, showing it to negatively effect hpta function, or hurt recovery of normal hormone production.

so is it the total test vs free test relationship that is going to make an impact, or the shbg & e2 relationship? are you even sure you know what your talking about?
SHBG also binds E2, so, by lowering SHBG, you are also increasing E2. Also, your test levels are already very, very low and lowering SHBG will only cause a longer time for the HPTA to correct itself and return to homeostasis.

This is also another reason why an AI should be used with any nettle and/or divanil supplement.
 
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okay wellll im going back and forth between e and p i can get p locally 240 for 12 weeks worth


test e i have to order from overseas- its legit source but im worried about customs
 
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okay wellll im going back and forth between e and p i can get p locally 240 for 12 weeks worth


test e i have to order from overseas- its legit source but im worried about customs


You'll be fine with the prop, just have to pin a lot is all
 
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SHBG also binds E2, so, by lowering SHBG, you are also increasing E2. Also, your test levels are already very, very low and lowering SHBG will only cause a longer time for the HPTA to correct itself and return to homeostasis.

This is also another reason why an AI should be used with any nettle and/or divanil supplement.
taken to pm's, no need to clog up the thread. will repost the data if there is any.
 
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yeaaa but finances i just forked out 240 bucks for 4000mg dbol, i guess im gunna have to wait a bit before i order the rest


cycle isnt till feb so i got time
 
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okay wellll im going back and forth between e and p i can get p locally 240 for 12 weeks worth


test e i have to order from overseas- its legit source but im worried about customs
Id say Enan cuz youre new to injecting, it wont seem like a big deal now but when you have a loaded syring in your hand you'll prolly be freaking out.

yeaaa but finances i just forked out 240 bucks for 4000mg dbol, i guess im gunna have to wait a bit before i order the rest


cycle isnt till feb so i got time
get all what you need + than some. nothing ever goes as planned.
 
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Id say Enan cuz youre new to injecting, it wont seem like a big deal now but when you have a loaded syring in your hand you'll prolly be freaking out.


get all what you need + than some. nothing ever goes as planned.
Exactly!
 
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im not new to injecting at all


i used to slam meth like there was no tommorrow



i like needles lol- which is what scares me


i know aas isnt iv its im but needles dont bother me


im going with eneth tho i just dont wanna pin eod too much of a hassle


eneth inj is wha.... twice a week?

500mg a week so 250 mg on mon and thurs that sound right??
 
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Natty's take as well (who understands this much better than I do):

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/136507-quit-taking-3-a.html

okay. sounds good. i see where you got it from. no data or blood work yet though. all in all, it's just a hypothseis. a theorectically sound hypothesis, but no data to support it.

okay, via your pm's you've stated over and over basic endocrinology. that isn't the topic at hand. you claimed hcgenerate would hurt ones recovery. i asked for some blood work, or a study, something to show that.

all you could say was, buy a textbook? and take shots at ntbm? classy. you are clearly a more educated and intellectual person than I sir.

your claim gets tossed out the window for me.

it's about as good as saying high dosages of msg increase asthmatic symptoms. no data. msg is gtg for me.
 
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okay. sounds good. i see where you got it from. no data or blood work yet though. all in all, it's just a hypothseis. a theorectically sound hypothesis, but no data to support it.

goes out the window for me.

it's about as good as saying high dosages of msg increase asthmatic symptoms. no data. msg is gtg for me.
Here's a novel idea:

Why don't YOU provide proof that your product does work?
 
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okay, brb, going to go grab the numerous studies showing one or more ingredients will increase testosterone levels.
 
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okay, brb, going to go grab the numerous studies showing one or more ingredients will increase testosterone levels.
You just changed the argument. I never said they do not increase test in a "normal" environment, but I'm saying that during PCT when the HPTA is recovering, it is bad to use any product that lowers SHBG.

If you can find studies that show that these will help to restore HPTA following an AAS cycle, then I'll believe you. Until then, it's just a product pimp.
 
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okay, see how easy this is, now, watch and learn rodja, i hope it's not dummbed down too much for your super smart self.

I know of no studies done on humans showing one or more of the ingredients contained in hcgenerate will help to restore hpta function following a cycle of anabolic/androgenic steroids used in supraphysiological, or theraputic dosages.

all I have is anectdotal evidence, which, in a scientific community, doesn't mean jack squat.

see how difficult that is. man, now I can totally understand why you didn't want to say that for the claim you made.

it's like you said, until you show it, your just a competing product pimp, knocking another companies product. looks like both our opinions dont mean squat. they are both biased.

im out of this thread, good luck when you run this cycle scwell. hcgenerate is good stuff.
 
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damnit this isnt a thread to argue of hcgenerate- although i am interested to see if it hinders or aids pct


this always seems to happen LOL jbry aint aimed at u brother i like u :)

butttt schwell just tryin to make sure he got his ducks in a row


im going to focus on diet/training before i hit this up tho in feb
 
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I would do tbol with test c. Then run whatever else you want with it. Throw the prop out the window or get rid of the dbol. I'm running dbol with test c then winny to kill it at the end. 4,000 mgs of dbol is alot why did you get so many?
 
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Oh and also 50 mgs of dbol is way too much if
Your getting it from a legit source then 30 mgs should do the trick. You can run hcg from weeks 4-14 then start your pct after the eythers cleared your blood.
 
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Take out the HCGenerate during PCT unless you want to sabotage your recovery.
LOL...

Schwell already used HCGenerate for PCT and loved it. Go find his review.

Nice try though...
 
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when did this board become bb.com and everybody is arguing with each other?
 
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ya i know ^^^^ lol yes hcgenerate worked well for me honestly


uhhhhhhhh tbol what r sides like with it?

Im trying to keep this cycle side free


and i am using test e ^^^^ well keep em low as possible
 
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when did this board become bb.com and everybody is arguing with each other?
I was not mentioning it for the sake of argument. I was pointing out how messing with your SHBG during PCT is bad for HPTA recovery.

There's a lot of bad information out there and I was trying to explain how taking anything (e.g. nettle, testofen, etc.) that lowers SHBG is going to slow production of total test with a concurrent rise in E2. If I was merely trying to plug in a PP product while slamming there's, then I'd see how it would look like to reps just bickering. However, at no point did I call the product bad and/or ineffective; I only said that it was not a good choice during PCT.
 
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ya i know ^^^^ lol yes hcgenerate worked well for me honestly


uhhhhhhhh tbol what r sides like with it?

Im trying to keep this cycle side free


and i am using test e ^^^^ well keep em low as possible
Tbol is really mild in terms of sides. It'll help mainly with LBM and CNS recovery as opposed to a wet bulker.
 
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okay


if i havent dropped enough fat will use
 
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im not new to injecting at all


i used to slam meth like there was no tommorrow



i like needles lol- which is what scares me


i know aas isnt iv its im but needles dont bother me


im going with eneth tho i just dont wanna pin eod too much of a hassle


eneth inj is wha.... twice a week?

500mg a week so 250 mg on mon and thurs that sound right??
yea just shoot 250 mon / thurs easiest way to keep it straight.
damnit this isnt a thread to argue of hcgenerate- although i am interested to see if it hinders or aids pct


this always seems to happen LOL jbry aint aimed at u brother i like u :)

butttt schwell just tryin to make sure he got his ducks in a row


im going to focus on diet/training before i hit this up tho in feb
still havent responded in your training thread lol :p

buy enough for 2-3 cycles cuz youre gonna use it again and youll want to extend your cycle longer than 12 weeks Ill bet my life on it.


and as far as Tbol goes...

I just finished using it like 5 days ago 60 mgs x 6 weeks. It pretty good, average strenght and you harden up. at first I didnt care for it but now Ill most definately be using it again in the future.
 
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so buy enough test e for 2 cycles then?
 
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ya i know ^^^^ lol yes hcgenerate worked well for me honestly


uhhhhhhhh tbol what r sides like with it?

Im trying to keep this cycle side free


and i am using test e ^^^^ well keep em low as possible
Good choice on the Test-E. As far as Tbol sides are concerned, it all depends on the individual, everyone reacts differently. Tbol has reportedly less sides than dbol. But this is coming from someone who never really gets any sides from any orals, including Halotestin.


How are you setup on your liver/organ supports??
 
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I was not mentioning it for the sake of argument. I was pointing out how messing with your SHBG during PCT is bad for HPTA recovery.

There's a lot of bad information out there and I was trying to explain how taking anything (e.g. nettle, testofen, etc.) that lowers SHBG is going to slow production of total test with a concurrent rise in E2. If I was merely trying to plug in a PP product while slamming there's, then I'd see how it would look like to reps just bickering. However, at no point did I call the product bad and/or ineffective; I only said that it was not a good choice during PCT.
no i totally get your points dude. just wondering why people (not saying it was u) on here lately are going to great lengths to prove others wrong.

OP, im using t-bol next... supposedly its a cross between dbol and var from what people say.
 

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Here's a novel idea:

Why don't YOU provide proof that your product does work?
Not trying to get in a fight here but I have seen only positive reviews from this product, have not seen a negative... Especially when used during PCT..

I bought a couple bottles for my PCT and will be using an AI as well.. I do not see how my combo will hinder HPTA recovery??
 
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it shouldnt j ****tingham shouldnt it provide a rise in natural test and coupled with an ai prevent that natty test from converting to estrogen?

My pct right now has testopro with erase plus clomid of course



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additional NAC coq 10 hawthorn berry too
 

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Ya, AI and HCGen sounds like a great combo.. Dont see it effecting HPTA bad at all and I have done tons of research on all of these compounds and ingredients..
 
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i like hcgenerate + clomid in my pct. 50mg of clomid + 10 caps of hcgenerate e/d. im feeling back to normal in 2 weeks. the last two weeks im just making sure im good.

then I'll add in bridge to end it all.
 
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