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first cycle hdrol lv or epistane without a serm !!

Gym4Life

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Hey guys im looking to do my first cycle but dont wanna use a serm i wanna try the TRS pct from primordial performace.

Which product would be best for a first cycle epistane or hdrol .... im thinking the hdrol because i believe it to be the easier compound on shut down without a serm but i could be wrong.

the reason im asking is because if hdrol is the better option ill have to stock up now before PP tbol Lv is all gone !!

appreciate any feedback.
 
I wouldnt do either with out a serm. But if I had to pick one it would be Halodrol. Epi's Anabolic to androgenic ration is too out of whack. You be more likely to see some gyno after your done.
 
I personally did halo without a serm (5weeks ending 75mg.), seen a friend do Epi without 1 too. Depends, whats your goal... bulk / cut??

But i have a good supply of SERMs on hand...
 
Why not use a SERM? Its cheaper and more effective than any OTC. Strongly recommend not starting any cycle without least having SERM on hand. Better safe than sorry bro....
 
Buying pp's trt stack is idiotic. It's dumb to spend way more on a product that is garanteed to not recover you as fast. More for Less makes no sense.
I wouldn't do either without a serm personally, but I agree that h drop would probably be easier to recover from than epi. Epi will shut you down hard weather you feel it or not, h drol seems to be a little less surpressive.
 
id run hdrol....ive recovered very well with OTC, but no bloodwork though. i just felt normal.


i would run
Erase for 4-6 weeks
Testforce 2, get a couple of jugs
and if you really want run 2 bottles of hypertest at 6 caps a day.

erase should also help with cortisol, so your good to go with that as well.
 
Texan281 said:
Dont be an idiot...theres a reason why 99% of PH/AAS users recommend a SERM
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he isnt an idiot, he is asking questions....

many people use OTC for hdrol with perfect success...

some may even argue that you dont even need PCT for prohormones, although i dont like this theory.
 
Texan281 said:
Dont be an idiot...theres a reason why 99% of PH/AAS users recommend a SERM
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I'll tell you why near all reccomend serms... I'm on I think day 15 of pct from an m14-e/ SD bridge, m14-e was ran real high and I already feel great... No doubt in my mind that I'm recovered... Not sure if I'm fully recovered or just mostly, but by the end of week one I felt way way better and could tell that I was recovering fast. Btw the boys are definetly fully back in town... Maybe a touch larger than normal even but who knows cause I hardly feel them.

Btw pct has been nolva, clomid, and recycle. =] can't go wrong if you wanna keep near all strength gains.
 
ZamaMan said:
I'll tell you why near all reccomend serms... I'm on I think day 15 of pct from an m14-e/ SD bridge, m14-e was ran real high and I already feel great... No doubt in my mind that I'm recovered... Not sure if I'm fully recovered or just mostly, but by the end of week one I felt way way better and could tell that I was recovering fast. Btw the boys are definetly fully back in town... Maybe a touch larger than normal even but who knows cause I hardly feel them.

Btw pct has been nolva, clomid, and recycle. =] can't go wrong if you wanna keep near all strength gains.
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there is a big difference between your cycle and a mild hdrol cycle.
 
ax1 said:
there is a big difference between your cycle and a mild hdrol cycle.
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No doubt about it. It would be foolish to not use a serm after a cycle like that or any SD cycle at all. I was just making the point of why people say use serms because even after a cycle like that I'm feeling great in less than 2 weeks. Imagine how fast recovery would be with an h drol cycle!!!
Remember the faster you recover the fmore you'll maintain.


If it wast for going on vacation week 1 of pct and being sick week 2 I think I'd e holding on to all my strength, but under these conditions I'm happy only loseing about 2 reps on a few excercise.
 
ZamaMan said:
No doubt about it. It would be foolish to not use a serm after a cycle like that or any SD cycle at all. I was just making the point of why people say use serms because even after a cycle like that I'm feeling great in less than 2 weeks. Imagine how fast recovery would be with an h drol cycle!!!
Remember the faster you recover the fmore you'll maintain.


If it wast for going on vacation week 1 of pct and being sick week 2 I think I'd e holding on to all my strength, but under these conditions I'm happy only loseing about 2 reps on a few excercise.
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nice points....

my last pmag cycle i decided to run clomid and i went straight to a mild cut on day 1 on pct, and have kept all my muscle gains by the time pct was over.
 
Serms are overated IMO.. Ive used OTC PCT's and ive used Serms, felt great on both.


For the OP though i like hdrol more compared to EPI and our TRS stack was specificaly designed for our orals with complete recovery in mind. You really cant go wrong with it.
 
ax1 said:
he isnt an idiot, he is asking questions....

many people use OTC for hdrol with perfect success...

some may even argue that you dont even need PCT for prohormones, although i dont like this theory.
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I was told a SERM was not needed for the ultra-mild, super weak Pmag.

Biggest mistake of my life. Im only saying dont be an idiot because when a few months later my after an OTC PCT my workouts were crap, my sex drive was at an all time low, and I felt like crap all day, I felt like an idiot because I thought of all those guys who swore by a SERM and told me countless times to use one.

Then I ran Clomid for 4 weeks and felt instantly better in every way.

If you're one of those guys who can recover without a SERM, more power to you, but in my experience I will always PCT with a SERM and would recommend everyone the same.
 
ax1 said:
he isnt an idiot, he is asking questions....

many people use OTC for hdrol with perfect success...

some may even argue that you dont even need PCT for prohormones, although i dont like this theory.
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some people do use otc with success BUT take into account the negative feedback loop your body sends the hpta when it detects artifical androgens, thus shutting down testosterone production


serm is the safest most effective way


and i would get blood work just to be safe
 
Okay guys thank you all for your advice only reason I asked is because I'm not sure how to get a serm have tried Googling it but don't trust half the sites .... of someone could inbox me some hints on where to obtain a serm I'd appreciate it.
 
Its doable to run a PCT without a SERM but u cant be frugal. My personal PCT from now on will include clomid and HCGenerate.
 
I am doing this cycle as a recomp but will probably end up doing both h drol and epi down the line. So thanks to everyone for their replys I will use a serm.

Which serm is best nolva or clomid and would I need anything else for pct like a test boaster thanks again love all you peeps on this forum.

Respect to you all brothers.
 
Gym4Life said:
Which serm is best nolva or clomid and would I need anything else for pct like a test boaster thanks again love all you peeps on this forum.

Respect to you all brothers.
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some people will swear by nolva, some will swear by clomid, and some swear by others.

personally, im convinced clomid is the best choice.

keep in mind you can run something like testforce about 2 weeks after your pct started.

you still may want a cortisol product such as lean xtreme, some say start that 2 weeks in, i like it at 10 days in.
 
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