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7 week Dermacrine LV log

BigBlackGuy said:
I wonder if the transdermal and the lv would have syngergistic effects or if they both just work by the same mechanism

I'm using the transdermal and it is nice. I will try the LV after I'm done with this.
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The actives will be metabolized by the same enzymes either way. The advantage of the topical is that you get to choose which part of your body the hormone enters through, and can therefore control for a higher percentage of conversion. Alternately, the advantage of LV is that it provides for much higher total absorption, so you get more active circulating in the bloodstream faster.

In the end, I think it will come down to personal preference, though the concept of doing both is certainly intriguing. A low dose of topical + low dose LV would give you "the best of both worlds" so to speak, but whether it would actually provide better results, I don't know.
 
one of the best workouts of my life today!!!

incline DB bench:
60x10
70x10
80x10
90x2
70x10

Close grip bench:
135x10
155x8
185x5
155x10

Flat DB bench:
80x8
70x12

Supersets EZ Bar Curl and Overhead Extensions
70lbsx10 (3 supersets of this)

V Bar pushdowns Superset w/ Rope Curl
120lb pushdown,100lb curl 3 sets of 10 each

Cable Crossovers
3 sets of 10

Machine Curl Superset w/machine dips
125 curl/135 dips... 3 sets of 10

Ive never been so pumped in my life. I took a 2 scoop sample of flashover preworkout and all i wanted to do was kill small animals. I was so pumped and ready for war. On the drive home from the gym my triceps were already starting to get sore so now im stuffing my face so that maybe tomorrow i can bend my arms. This is pretty much the Layne Norton chest/arm day with some minor tweaks. Did it with 2 of my friends and we were all trashed by the end. There was so much volume on this, but we got it done in ~90 min
 
Resolve said:
Awesome post. Awesome workout. Just remember you have to eat whatever you kill ;)

Way to aim high with the 90x2 on inc db press! :head:
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haha, thanks bro. my buddy who im lifting with also just started doing incline bench. he got like 185 for 2 with the barbell but he got 90lb dumbells for 8 and made me look weak. ive never seen anyone who could DB more than barbell
 
day... 26... i think

V-neutral grip pulldown
135x10
180x12
180x12
180x12

Iso-lateral plate loaded row (narrow neutral grip)
2 plates per side x10
3 plates per side x10 for probably 5 sets

Hang cleans
45x10
95x10
115x10
135x10

Lateral shoulder raises
3 sets

could have gone higher on the cleans but i havnt done them in so long and i had an awesome pump in my traps, which is what i was going for. i used to love these in highschool.... i really wanted to do shoulders, but i literally was so sore that even the 40lb dumbells were heavy to press. my triceps are WRECKED!!! im not sure how my biceps got away barely sore. my chest is sore as well by my triceps are just flat out destroyed
 
Nice log bro, lloking good in here you will really start to love the second month of dermacrine, great gains coming your way
 
HATEFULone said:
Nice log bro, lloking good in here you will really start to love the second month of dermacrine, great gains coming your way
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i started running a 50% higher dose than recommended starting wednesday and im already noticing a little more alpha male feeling. i have a feeling im gona make phat gains real quick, especially with the extra volume and food intake
 
Resolve said:
Hang cleans for sets of 10 will get your heart rate up like crazy!
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they also made my traps/read delts/mid back sore for the first time in a long while. rows/pulldowns never get me sore. my triceps are almost recovered from thursday and my back has just a slight bit or soreness in it. i think hang cleans would be a good movement for my power day so ill try them tomorrow but for like a triple or something
 
I DB incline press more then i barbell all day. But then again i use DBs way more then barbells so thats why im sure..

Logs lookin good brother.
 
3clipseGT said:
I DB incline press more then i barbell all day. But then again i use DBs way more then barbells so thats why im sure..

Logs lookin good brother.
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i bet your chest is real thick. when i use DB's i usually keep my elbows in, but on BB incline i grip it decently wide. with flat bench, my strongest grip is almost where some ppl close grip it. my shoulders are just not up to par, i should probably start working them real hard
 
My shoulder hurts when i do bench these days, a reoccuring injury :(, so i started focusing on shoulder press and i love the results. I realized i can get a good chest workout with dumbbells, and since the load is lighter it doesn't really hurt my shoulder. So now i seem to have the best of both worlds.
 
good news is i got 185x5 on incline bench... bad news is i crashed and burned on flat bench trying 240... me and my workout buddy both got 235 easy last week but then failed this time. we concluded that we were burned out from the second chest/arm session in the week because there was so much volume to it. we did clean and press, i got to 155 but my balls were killing me so i didnt want to go any heavier. got 240x5 on the V pulldown with some straps but it took every ounce of strength i had.

rly need to call my surgeon tomorrow and ask him about why im still in pain, i dont even remember the date i had it done... just that they keep sending me more and more bills
 
today was my huge time gap between classes. from 9:15am to 4:30 pm i have to sit around campus and wait for my next class so i hit up the gym. first off, i had to wake up at 6am so i had no energy but i pushed as hard as i could.

seated shoulder press:
45x10
95x10
115x5
135x5

hangclean
135x10
135x10

seated DB hangclean (couldnt figure out how to do it right)
20lb DB's x 10 reps, 2 sets

sprints
5 sets

single leg, leg extension
~8 sets per leg of 5-10 reps

hyperextensions- 1 set
 
haha, like rodja said, got it from him :p

todays workout...

DB incline press
50x10
70x8
85x4
85x4

Close Grip Bench
135x8
155x8
185x6

Incline BB Bench
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
115x10
115x10
115x10

Arnold Press
20x10
25x10
30x10

Triceps
3 sets of 10

Got one more rep for the close grip bench than last week and tried the 85's on DB incline and my balls were throbbing. Calling my surgeon tomorrow for sure since i just looked up his number and left myself a note. Did the 10x10 thing for incline bench and it was insane. My triceps got probably the best pump of my life from that, but after 7 sets of 135 i about killed myself with no spotter on the last rep. Moved it to 115 to finish up. Food time =D
 
Rodja said:
DeFranco. I've based a lot of my routine from him.
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Hmm, is that recommended in WS4SB?

tnubs said:
haha, like rodja said, got it from him :p

todays workout...

DB incline press
50x10
70x8
85x4
85x4

Close Grip Bench
135x8
155x8
185x6

Incline BB Bench
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
135x10
115x10
115x10
115x10

Arnold Press
20x10
25x10
30x10

Triceps
3 sets of 10

Got one more rep for the close grip bench than last week and tried the 85's on DB incline and my balls were throbbing. Calling my surgeon tomorrow for sure since i just looked up his number and left myself a note. Did the 10x10 thing for incline bench and it was insane. My triceps got probably the best pump of my life from that, but after 7 sets of 135 i about killed myself with no spotter on the last rep. Moved it to 115 to finish up. Food time =D
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I like 10 sets of anything. 10x10 is good, I like 10x3 better. Either way, it's a darn effective paradigm.
 
did 10 sets of 10 with bodyweight rows. put a smith machine about waist high and got a box to put my feet on and then just did 'em out like that. it was a nice change of pace and at the end it got harder to pull my chest all the way to the bar. after this i hit up 3 sets of wide grip pulldowns with 135lbs and 3 sets of curls on machine. my chest/shoulders were so sore yesterday it was rough holding my phone to my ear but today it feels a lot better. did a set of incline bench with just the bar and stretched to get some of the tightness out
 
tnubs said:
did 10 sets of 10 with bodyweight rows. put a smith machine about waist high and got a box to put my feet on and then just did 'em out like that. it was a nice change of pace and at the end it got harder to pull my chest all the way to the bar. after this i hit up 3 sets of wide grip pulldowns with 135lbs and 3 sets of curls on machine. my chest/shoulders were so sore yesterday it was rough holding my phone to my ear but today it feels a lot better. did a set of incline bench with just the bar and stretched to get some of the tightness out
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I was battling some major tightness in my right anterior delt yesterday while training. I know that it's from internal rotation in the humerus, but when I see some of the other dudes at the gym, their arms are completely pronated and I wonder how the hell do they not have major problems?
 
Rodja said:
I was battling some major tightness in my right anterior delt yesterday while training. I know that it's from internal rotation in the humerus, but when I see some of the other dudes at the gym, their arms are completely pronated and I wonder how the hell do they not have major problems?
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I see this all the time and wonder the same thing. If they keep it up, bad form will accumulate to injury - we just don't see it.
 
im confused. are you talking about the guys who bench way too much(ignoring back work) and their shoulders kinda bow forwards? or there are ppl whose palms face posteriorly when they are relaxed, kinda like a monkey? o.0
 
tnubs said:
im confused. are you talking about the guys who bench way too much(ignoring back work) and their shoulders kinda bow forwards? or there are ppl whose palms face posteriorly when they are relaxed, kinda like a monkey? o.0
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I interpreted Rodja's post as referring to those who bench with their elbows straight out to either side - i.e. not tucked as elbows should be in the bench press. I know that this causes more stress on the humerus and rotator cuff.

He, however, would know better than I since he's in school in this field, while I spend my days mutilating rodents... ;)
 
Resolve said:
I interpreted Rodja's post as referring to those who bench with their elbows straight out to either side - i.e. not tucked as elbows should be in the bench press. I know that this causes more stress on the humerus and rotator cuff.

He, however, would know better than I since he's in school in this field, while I spend my days mutilating rodents... ;)
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oooh nice, animal testing. my current anatomy teacher used to study how cats could live without their brains or something like that lol

your post reminds me of something i saw the other day at the school gym... this kid was maybe 130 pounds and he needed a spot. this was one of the skinniest, nerdiest kids ive ever seen. he was trying to bench 95lbs for 5 reps but got 3 but his grip was scary wide so i asked him if he ever tried tucking his elbows a little bit and using a more logical grip so he doesnt hurt his shoulders. he told me there were certain physics involved to which he couldnt explain to me but i should trust him -____- and that if his shoulders were not stressed from this then they would never get stronger
 
tnubs said:
im confused. are you talking about the guys who bench way too much(ignoring back work) and their shoulders kinda bow forwards? or there are ppl whose palms face posteriorly when they are relaxed, kinda like a monkey? o.0
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It's usually both as the hands are pronated and the shoulders are protracted.
 
I know this all to well, after years of benching with my elbows out and some rotator cuff injuries, I finally started benching the correct way, although it took a while to get used to.
 
today i just did a quick workout before class. incline bench and pulldowns in a superset fashion. after my workout, got a call back from my surgeon and he said the pain was most likely from one of the tacks holding the mesh in place and suggested some ridiculous amount of motrin for a week to stop the inflammation and it should help solve the problem. really hoping this works b/c i will be 100000x happier with my life. i also rushed out the door this morning without taking my dermacrine -________-
took 10mL just a few min ago and im gona take 10mL more before i hit the sack. im gona try 20mL/day for the remainder of this week, which is about when i will run out. im also going to lift every day to make good use of it.
 
tnubs said:
today i just did a quick workout before class. incline bench and pulldowns in a superset fashion. after my workout, got a call back from my surgeon and he said the pain was most likely from one of the tacks holding the mesh in place and suggested some ridiculous amount of motrin for a week to stop the inflammation and it should help solve the problem. really hoping this works b/c i will be 100000x happier with my life. i also rushed out the door this morning without taking my dermacrine -________-
took 10mL just a few min ago and im gona take 10mL more before i hit the sack. im gona try 20mL/day for the remainder of this week, which is about when i will run out. im also going to lift every day to make good use of it.
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Hope it gets better brother!!


Looks like your killing it though, How much weight exactly have you put on?
 
3clipseGT said:
Hope it gets better brother!!


Looks like your killing it though, How much weight exactly have you put on?
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probably about 5lbs but i need to re-weigh myself to know for sure. i wasnt as concerned with gaining weight as just recomping and trying to stay lean while getting stronger. i have definetly lost some fat, tho. waist is feeling smaller in pants and im more defined. lats/shoulders/chest all look bigger so im happy. i was lifting in the school gym and its set up so that if i look in the mirror in front of me, i can see my back in the mirror behind me. its looking wide as hell. heres my workout today:

arms: went behind one of those plate loaded pullover machines(my favorite machine of all time) and did skullcrushers. hard to explain but i did about 5 sets and one dropset. also did some overhead extensions with 50x10,60x10,70x10. for biceps i did a bunch of curls and reverse curls. didnt keep track of weight

hyperextensions: 10 sets of 20 reps (bodyweight)
leg lifts holding my body in the air: 5 sets of 20
single leg, leg extensions: 8 sets of 75lbs x 10 reps
regular leg extensions 2 sets of 175lbs x 10 reps (extra slow)
ab machine: 3 sets of 20
leg scissors (for abs) 1 set to failure

had a huge test this morning, and didnt have time to eat breakfast b/c i had to wake up at 6am to drive to school and cram for 30 min. put 2 servings of USP's modernBCAA's in a waterbottle and drank half before class and half after. lifted at 9:30 and then had a nice chicken burrito w/a scoop of protein to celebrate. my recovery/muscle fullness is getting pretty good at this point.

i wish i had done a video log to compare before and after
 
tnubs said:
i wasnt as concerned with gaining weight as just recomping and trying to stay lean while getting stronger. i have definetly lost some fat, tho.
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That is exactly what I am going for. I just ordered the Dermacrine Muscle Stack plus two bottles of Formestane LV. It's go time.
 
bikeswimlive said:
That is exactly what I am going for. I just ordered the Dermacrine Muscle Stack plus two bottles of Formestane LV. It's go time.
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Good luck bro!

The initial libido increases were... Epic. But It hovered slightly over normal since then. Since upping the dosage my libido increased some more and today I've had this desire to sex everything I see :( *upped the dosage to 20ml yesterday*
 
todays workout:

plate loaded machine pullover: 10 sets of 10 w/ 140lbs added
plate loaded bench machine: 3 sets 10 w/ 180lbs added
wide pulldowns: 3 sets of 10 w/ 135lbs
1 handed pulldowns 3 sets of 10 w/ 45lbs

SICK pump in my lats today. few things ive noticed but im not sure if they are related or not to Dermacrine. i feel lethargic and sleepy more often throughout the day and my urine smells funky when i dont drink enough water or when i take my morning piss both of these started about the same time i started my second bottle, which is when i went to 15mL/day... anyone else have experience with this?
 
Rodja said:
Have you upped your calories to compensate for the extra LBM?
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Yep, and this isnt hard to do because ive been hungier since starting this stuff

Todays workout:

Seated Barbell Shoulder Press
10 sets of 10 w/ 95lbs

Plate Loaded Shrug Machine (seated):
10 sets of 10 w/ 2 plates

I know it wasnt much weight on the shoulder presses, but i gripped it real wide and tried to do slower reps. It actually got a little tough after the 8th set and i had a sweet pump in my shoulders/triceps and then a little in my traps. Did the seated shrugs very slow and controlled with a pause at the top and it was burning so good. My hamstrings are still sore so tomorrow i want to try 10x10 on flies and something for quads.

Does anyone know any really good quad excercises that has minimal hamstring use? I was thinking front squats but i wana keep as much load as possible off my lower back especially if i start to bend over
 
Any squat and/or its derivatives are going to have a good amount of hamstring work with them. The only way to hit them with minimal hamstring effort is leg extensions.
 
So friday i skipped b/c i just needed a rest day and today i did chest & triceps. I had absolutely no energy today so i tried my last 3 scoops of the tub of ASGT... hardly helped. Btw, yesterday was the last day of the dermacrine but i only took 10mL and saved about 5mL for pre workout today.

my workout:

incline bench:
115x10
145x10
145x10
145x10

DB incline bench:
60x10
60x10
60x10

Machine flat bench:
160x10
160x10
160x10

Rope Pushdowns:
70lbs for 10 sets of 10

I was really hoping to just do 145 on incline bench for the 10x10 but i just had no energy and just felt crushed before i started and i dont even know why. I dont really feel shut down but at the very end of the first bottle i started getting a little bit lethargic and its gotten increasingly worse. No clue if its from the dermacrine but i guess ill see over the next few days without it how i feel. Overall from two bottles i gained 6 pounds but im definetly leaner and i look bigger in the mirror. Ive pretty satisfied from this run. I would compare it to be slightly more mild than h-drol but my balls are full sized and my libido is strong so im hoping im not shut down much, although, the lethargy may be a sign of shutdown? not sure. The past 3 days ive been taking a half dose of tcf-1 to let it build up a little in my system and tomorrow on i will be taking tcf-1 full dosed till i run out. I think there was some kinda problem with the endoamp/sustain getting here. got a email last week saying it was processing and now yesterday i got another email with a tracking number and it says it just shipped and the estimated date of arrival is october 1st. i think their huge sale on their hormonal products set them back a little bit.
 
ended up taking a full dose of TCF-1 last night and when i woke up i had raging morning wood that did not want to go away. this morning i took a full serving of tcf-1 and tonight im probably going to try 3g of nutra's bulk DAA. they are the same thing but ive seen a lot of people run DAA at 6 grams during pct, so i might as well do that until the rest of the stuff arrives.
 
In very late but interested in the Dermacrine since I just picked up 4 bottles of the TD version and I am researching. I want to see how high I can dose with good returns and no ill effects. If any Reps have some tips I would love to hear them. Great log by the way T.

Side note: My lower back has been buggered lately so I can't back squat for awhile. I started doing Bulgarian split squats with a twist. My foot goes back on the bench and the front foot is placed on a calf block. Only the ball of the foot is on the block. I found that this takes your heel out of the equation and really focuses on the front quads. DBs are held for added resistance. It tears my quads up pretty good!
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Side note: My lower back has been buggered lately so I can't back squat for awhile. I started doing Bulgarian split squats with a twist. My foot goes back on the bench and the front foot is placed on a calf block. Only the ball of the foot is on the block. I found that this takes your heel out of the equation and really focuses on the front quads. DBs are held for added resistance. It tears my quads up pretty good!
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will have to try this, thanks!
 
Bulgarian split squats, speed skater squats, step ups, hack squats, smith machine single leg squat, backwards sled dragging. Those should help, still looking good in here.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
In very late but interested in the Dermacrine since I just picked up 4 bottles of the TD version and I am researching. I want to see how high I can dose with good returns and no ill effects. If any Reps have some tips I would love to hear them. Great log by the way T.

Side note: My lower back has been buggered lately so I can't back squat for awhile. I started doing Bulgarian split squats with a twist. My foot goes back on the bench and the front foot is placed on a calf block. Only the ball of the foot is on the block. I found that this takes your heel out of the equation and really focuses on the front quads. DBs are held for added resistance. It tears my quads up pretty good!
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These are fantastic. Haven't done them in a while, I bet my balance would suck, but they leave your quads burning like hell.
 
HATEFULone said:
Bulgarian split squats, speed skater squats, step ups, hack squats, smith machine single leg squat, backwards sled dragging. Those should help, still looking good in here.
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Don't forget the importance of hip flexibility and piriformis mobility. These have helped to keep my back healthy and my hips flexible. Also, unilateral work is just as important as it helps to loosen the glute min and glute med.
 
Rodja said:
Don't forget the importance of hip flexibility and piriformis mobility. These have helped to keep my back healthy and my hips flexible. Also, unilateral work is just as important as it helps to loosen the glute min and glute med.
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Agreed, foam roller helps emensely before and after workout, a must for before stretching, as joe d says it improves the quality of muscle before you stretch it. Hurts so good.
 
did step ups yesterday. didnt go very heavy but WOW. the pump was crazy from it and today im wobbling around b/c my ass is so sore. very, very sore
 
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