Royd The Noyd
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Damn trauma. Were you cutting before or what's with the rapid weight gain?
Goin' Ape fukcing $hit cycle
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Kristofer68SS
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dbol?
sustaplex is a solid compound, half of that could be from the test.
diet manipulation could be a factor.
Trauma1
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Nah. I had taken off from the gym close to 6 months when we had the baby; I was also getting back into the groove with school. This whole cycle is a straight bulk in every sense of the word. Much of this initial weight gain is from the dbol and caloric surplus, but now it's time to solidify everything since the test is kicked in. I can put weight/muscle on pretty quickly, so this cycle combined with my layoff is really paying off. I have each and every day mapped out with my diet. I'm SOOO sick of chicken right now, haha.
I actually had the gym owner come up to me yesterday and tell me that I've really made some very good progress over the last few months. I'm pretty regimented in my daily training and diet; you should see the cooler I bring to work, haha. I have to be otherwise work (my primary job and primordial), school, and family time is all out of whack. My dedication and desire is about as good as it gets right now.
Starting in January 2011.......Anadrol/Test/Tren/hCG.
-John
Royd The Noyd
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Nah. I had taken off from the gym close to 6 months when we had the baby; I was also getting back into the groove with school. This whole cycle is a straight bulk in every sense of the word. Much of this initial weight gain is from the dbol and caloric surplus, but now it's time to solidify everything since the test is kicked in. I can put weight/muscle on pretty quickly, so this cycle combined with my layoff is really paying off. I have each and every day mapped out with my diet. I'm SOOO sick of chicken right now, haha.
I actually had the gym owner come up to me yesterday and tell me that I've really made some very good progress over the last few months. I'm pretty regimented in my daily training and diet; you should see the cooler I bring to work, haha. I have to be otherwise work (my primary job and primordial), school, and family time is all out of whack. My dedication and desire is about as good as it gets right now.
Starting in January 2011.......Anadrol/Test/Tren/hCG.
-John
I feel ya man. School, work, AMS, and girlfriend take a lot of time. Can't imagine having a baby or weird ass work hours like you (from what I remember). Tilapia sub time for chicken??
I've been natty for like 5 months now. Feels weird man. :grumpy:
ex-tightend83
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Nah. I had taken off from the gym close to 6 months when we had the baby; I was also getting back into the groove with school. This whole cycle is a straight bulk in every sense of the word. Much of this initial weight gain is from the dbol and caloric surplus, but now it's time to solidify everything since the test is kicked in. I can put weight/muscle on pretty quickly, so this cycle combined with my layoff is really paying off. I have each and every day mapped out with my diet. I'm SOOO sick of chicken right now, haha.
I actually had the gym owner come up to me yesterday and tell me that I've really made some very good progress over the last few months. I'm pretty regimented in my daily training and diet; you should see the cooler I bring to work, haha. I have to be otherwise work (my primary job and primordial), school, and family time is all out of whack. My dedication and desire is about as good as it gets right now.
Starting in January 2011.......Anadrol/Test/Tren/hCG.
-John
You beat me to the punch. I was gonna ask if it was the result of a long layoff/muscle memory. Also it could have been your first "real" cycle, I can't wait for mine, I'm expecting insane gains. You GOTTA log that Jan. cycle!!!
Trauma1
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tim1985
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Off day today
Im sitting at 202lbs right now, Im not unhappy about these gains because I look leaner, I have a new vein popping out of my lower abs so I think Ive lost some BF as well. I will be upping my calories once again, in an attempt to put on some more quality weight. I may drop off some off the cardio as well, but Im going to do one thing at a time, first I will up my calories first and then play it by ear from there.
Im sitting at 202lbs right now, Im not unhappy about these gains because I look leaner, I have a new vein popping out of my lower abs so I think Ive lost some BF as well. I will be upping my calories once again, in an attempt to put on some more quality weight. I may drop off some off the cardio as well, but Im going to do one thing at a time, first I will up my calories first and then play it by ear from there.
Royd The Noyd
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Good call. Do your pants feel looser around the waist. I always notice that during cutting phases. Pants are a great gauge of progress for me lol
SouthernCharm
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I'm all pumped up Doc office called to say I don'tneed to go back, blood is G2G BP is G2G I am G2G
Ear to ear
This is always good news bro...
tim1985
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I'm all pumped up Doc office called to say I don'tneed to go back, blood is G2G BP is G2G I am G2G
Ear to ear
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Well I guess the Tren is a go for you!
Yes my pants feel a bit looser, my shirts feel a bit tighter in the chest/back/shoulder region
tim1985
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I took 400mg the 1st week, but dropped it to 200 ew and will stay here for a few more weeks.
GearedVader
New member
Is pinning sus EOD a common thing on this forum? I just think it's a bad, bad idea.
Sus is all about 'sustained release' - you're ignoring the effects of the longer esters, which is sure to play all sorts of havoc on your plasma levels . . just Vaders 0.02
Sus is all about 'sustained release' - you're ignoring the effects of the longer esters, which is sure to play all sorts of havoc on your plasma levels . . just Vaders 0.02
edwitt
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I totally disagree this is the correct way to pin given the esters of sustaplex e3d would be the minimum there are plenty of threads discussing this on other boards and is the suggested method from the manufacturer
Kristofer68SS
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actually, this is a very debated topic.
Some swear by EOD, some swear by EW
I think EOD for the first 3 weeks, then week 4 2xEW, then week 5 on EW.
I would love to see this human grade sustanon manufacturers recommendations.
edwitt
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I'll pm u the link, it was debated at much length at the time
Kristofer68SS
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thats cool.
im just saying that alot of guys have different "theories" on the rate the testosteron actually cleaves off from the ester and becomes systemically active.
I wont lie. Almost all the info I found was EOD or MWF.
Still alot of great feedback from EW dosing as well.
Im torn honestly.
tim1985
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Right now Im trying to take advantage of the shorter esters(Ace,prop, phenyl prop) while the longer esters(cyp, deca) build up in my system
thundergod
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While I know that I have read of others pinning Sus once per week with self-proclaimed success and I have read the info given by Seth Roberts, I still feel one can't go wrong pinning this stuff EOD like suggested by so many others.
I would rather err on the side of caution and make sure I'm not wasting my gear by not getting the full benefits from it.
Tim, you're doing the right thing with the frequent injects. You're taking full advantage of the shorter esters. There's no way in Hel, I'd risk wasting my Test-Prop just because someone told me they injected it once weekly and it "worked" for them. No way.
Others can disagree all they want. I think they're just a little "pin shy" if you know what I mean??!!! :veryhappy:
thundergod
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Tim, how is the Tren making you "feel"? Any aggression or temper issues? I love those, by the way!!!:aargh::twisted:
edwitt
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tim1985
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Ive been kinda short with people, but nothing to worry about(yet). Aggression is definitely there, it comes in real handy in the gym lol
ex-tightend83
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LOL, just what I need to look forward to, with my hot-headed ass. I've come SO close to breaking a few ****heads' jaws, it's not even funny. But thanks, guys, especially TG, for the info on pinning. I'm getting all the knowledge I can before pinning. 365 lbs bodyweight, here I come...yes, you read right. a relatively lean 365 is my ultimate goal. Then I can die happy!!!:bigok::veryhappy:
edwitt
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Damn mate,
you gotta put up a picture,
How about a back shot????
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tim1985
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Day 6
Thursday: Hamstrings/Calves/Lower Abs
Superset #1
Lying leg curls 10 Reps 10 Sets No Rest
Lying Leg Raises 10 Reps 10 Sets 1 Minute
DB Lunges(press w/ heel) 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute
Standing Calf Raises 15-20 Reps 8 Sets 30 Seconds
Finished this w/o pretty quickly actually, I would say about 35 minutes, but I was was huffing and puffy and my shirt soaked up about 5lbs worth of sweat lol.
Thursday: Hamstrings/Calves/Lower Abs
Superset #1
Lying leg curls 10 Reps 10 Sets No Rest
Lying Leg Raises 10 Reps 10 Sets 1 Minute
DB Lunges(press w/ heel) 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute
Standing Calf Raises 15-20 Reps 8 Sets 30 Seconds
Finished this w/o pretty quickly actually, I would say about 35 minutes, but I was was huffing and puffy and my shirt soaked up about 5lbs worth of sweat lol.
Kristofer68SS
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More injections equal more chances for a bad one. Simple mathematics.
Its not about being scared of the needle. If its not needed, why waste the barrel, two pins, swabs, bandaids and extra risk?.
Every shot increases the chance of seeing a bad shot, an infection or abcess.
30mg Prop EOD..........whoa, watch out.
lol
Still torn though. Alot, I mean ALOT of feedback says either way is a go with great results.
thundergod
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None of my comments were aimed directly at you brother. I was just giving out my own uneducated opinion on these matters.
About the extra risk of more frequent injections.........even if you pin once per week or even EOW, you still run the risk of a bad inject, an infection, or sterile abcess.
Maybe pinning isn't for people with such worries........:dunno:
edwitt
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Yea sh!t happens,
Was one of my major concerns bf stepping over to the darkside,
but you gotta loook at the pros and the cons and truly believe vast majority of bad injects are due to bad sanitation or bad gear
If you take all the precautions that you should its gonna be a very rare occurence and if for some reason you get an abscess you just go get it lanced and take care of it.
Ive had one beffore non AAS related its not a big deal if you take care of it immediately.
I personally dont know anyone who has had an issue and my Doctor is happy prescribing test Cyp for self inj over patches, thats good a good enough vote of confidence for me
Peace and keep killing em Tim
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ex-tightend83
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Pardon my uneducated, inecperienced ass, but since I'm coming over to the "Dark Side" later on this year (or early next year), I'm trying to get all of the knowledge I can. What exactly do you mean by a "bad inject?" I understand and accept the risk of infection or abscess, but please explain the "bad inject."
edwitt
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Ok
Y not 100% on what he means either. Bad inject to means infection or shooting a vein. The latter would require stupidity and infection/access is totally avoidable and very rare if u stick to sanitary protocols and even shud an abscess happen Dr will lance that sh!t and put I on antis, no bigger. As I said I've had one unrelated to AAS
Really don't understand the concern to be honest plus, I was hesitant at fisrst, couldn't stand the site of needles, now I look fwd to them
When doing the Helios I was inj that sh!t 3times a day
Y not 100% on what he means either. Bad inject to means infection or shooting a vein. The latter would require stupidity and infection/access is totally avoidable and very rare if u stick to sanitary protocols and even shud an abscess happen Dr will lance that sh!t and put I on antis, no bigger. As I said I've had one unrelated to AAS
Really don't understand the concern to be honest plus, I was hesitant at fisrst, couldn't stand the site of needles, now I look fwd to them
When doing the Helios I was inj that sh!t 3times a day
tim1985
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Fridays w/o Bicep/Tricep/Delt
superset #1
Standing db curls 8 reps 8 sets no rest
Lying tricep ext. 8 reps 8 sets no rest
BB shoulder press 8 reps 8 sets 1 minute rest
superset #2
Neutral Grip Chin-ups 15-20 reps 2 sets No rest
Close grip bench press 15-20 res 2 sets 1 minute rest
Bent-over lateral raises 15-20 resp 2 sets No rest
I had veins running down both of my biceps big time today, I even had some popping out my triceps. Funny how I like veins popping out now, I used to hate that $hit, thought it looked nasty, now I fukcing love it.
Im starting to really see the linings of my abs, I noticed that today as well, Ive never seen this much of my abs before. I really hope to keep them visible considering I just upped my calorie intake lol. Im torn between just letting go and doing an "all out bulk" or to keep doing what Im doing and gain less mass, but stay cut. Decisions decisions
superset #1
Standing db curls 8 reps 8 sets no rest
Lying tricep ext. 8 reps 8 sets no rest
BB shoulder press 8 reps 8 sets 1 minute rest
superset #2
Neutral Grip Chin-ups 15-20 reps 2 sets No rest
Close grip bench press 15-20 res 2 sets 1 minute rest
Bent-over lateral raises 15-20 resp 2 sets No rest
I had veins running down both of my biceps big time today, I even had some popping out my triceps. Funny how I like veins popping out now, I used to hate that $hit, thought it looked nasty, now I fukcing love it.
Im starting to really see the linings of my abs, I noticed that today as well, Ive never seen this much of my abs before. I really hope to keep them visible considering I just upped my calorie intake lol. Im torn between just letting go and doing an "all out bulk" or to keep doing what Im doing and gain less mass, but stay cut. Decisions decisions
thundergod
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X2 ^^^^^
Yeah.....what Bassgod said. Just keep the gains slow while keeping the bodyfat really low and enjoy looking like a real bodybuilder.
I will NEVER bulk again. But after all.......I don't need to at 254 lbs and 9% bodyfat. I'm just working on gaining even more strength and adding contour and detail to my muscles.
Kristofer68SS
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We gotten off into a tangent in someone else's log.
My apologies to tim1985. After this I am done debating sust dosing.
With that being said Thundergod.
Your comment doesnt add up. Statistically speaking, why would you knowlingly increase the probability of a bad shot, infection or abcess if its not needed? I dont understand.
No offense, but that just sounds stupid to me. And a waste.
That is not a worry brah, its simple mathematics. Did you sleep through it?
On with the log!
thundergod
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Thanks for the courteous comments. LOL
Stupid I am. I decide to dose things according to the greater amount of information, feedback, and literature I can gather on certain compounds. And the verdict on Sus, it to inject EOD. I guess lots of people are stupid and wasteful.
To lessen your risks even further, why don't you just inject 2 grams of Sust once per month and tell me how it works for you.........
edwitt
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Thanks for the courteous comments. LOL
Stupid I am. I decide to dose things according to the greater amount of information, feeedback, and literature I can gather on certain compounds. And the verdict on Sus, it to inject EOD. I guess lots of people are stupid and wasteful.
To lessen your risks even further, why don't you just inject 2 grams of Sust once per month and tell me how it works for you.........
lol...
I am on TRT Test Cyp and whilst many inject twice or even once a week, the correct protocol is EOD and that straight from the doctors mouth
"There is a logic when using transdermal or injectable application.
Transdermal, only when there is need to raise DHT
Injectable, all other cases.
Transdermal raise DHT proportionally to used skin area.
1%Androgel will need 10x or more skin area than 10% T-cream
Many people do not like shots, doctors trying to accommodate look for high density (10% sometimes 20%) creams/gels.
Problem is that other that 1% Androgel
and
1% Testogel
all other creams/gells that are sold have questionable performance.
Even worst, performance vary from batch to batch.
So, if one needs to raise DHT, use BigPharma products (Androgel, Testogel).
Otherwise use injectable testosterone.
When doing injections always use EOD schedule (EveryOtherDay)
Always use this needle, or you will not be able to comply.
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $27.80
Other than actual therapy, the EOD schedule is important when you do blood tests.
You do not need to guess what levels you have.
Goal of TRT is
#1
to get SHBG(15-25)
#2
to raise BAT~575
BAT-BioAvailableTestoterone
BAT must be read from this test at Quest Diagnostics.
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS) Code: 14966X
Do not look at BAT provided by any other laboratory.
Actually Quest is not able to provide good tests for Estradiol,
so we must go to other laboratories anyhow.
There is workaround for BAT (from Quest)
There is no workaround for good Estradiol test.
My next blood test I will be doing at LabCorp.
I will not use their BAT test (it is a sh*t)
Everything else is ok.
To approximate BAT~575
use
TotalTest
SHBG
Albumin
and
this chart
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on this chart you want
FreeT(300-350)
Do you suggest ignoring my doctors express orders? because im worried about an abscess, hell no and neither is he worried, he quite clearly told me an abscess will only be caused by a dirty injection, ie sh!t gear or not following the sanitary protocols that im happy to share.
Chances of infection are negligible if done correctly, miiscule an dthe benefits far out weigh any of the risks
Now as far as Sust is concerned EOD is the correct protocal and chance if infection is the same, once again in the extremely unlikely case of an infecton it is not a big deal, you and it and take antibiotics, its a simple in and out procedure, local Anesthetic not even necessary
Sh!t man theres a risk of a tricep popping every time i do skull crushers do you suggest i dont do those? maybe i should just stay at home
tim1985
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Monday's w/o Quads/Calves/Upper Abs
Superset #1
Squats(medium stance) 10 reps 10 sets No Rest
Crunches 10 reps 10 sets 1 minute rest
Squats (wide stance) 15-20 reps 2 sets 1 minute rest
Calf press 8 reps 8 sets 30 second rest
Im feeling like $hit after this, Im having trouble stomaching my post w/o shake right now. Good sign I guess lol
EDIT: I barfed up my post w/o shake
Superset #1
Squats(medium stance) 10 reps 10 sets No Rest
Crunches 10 reps 10 sets 1 minute rest
Squats (wide stance) 15-20 reps 2 sets 1 minute rest
Calf press 8 reps 8 sets 30 second rest
Im feeling like $hit after this, Im having trouble stomaching my post w/o shake right now. Good sign I guess lol
EDIT: I barfed up my post w/o shake
Kristofer68SS
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Edwitt and Thuder,if the shoe fits-
Stupid is as stupid does.
We are not talking about cyp, so i really dont care what your doctor says edwitt. Stay current please.
FYI, Doctor prescribed sustanon shots are biweekly or monthly.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/153426-sus-250-injection.html#post2430963
Stupid is as stupid does.
We are not talking about cyp, so i really dont care what your doctor says edwitt. Stay current please.
FYI, Doctor prescribed sustanon shots are biweekly or monthly.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/153426-sus-250-injection.html#post2430963
Kristofer68SS
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One of the better posts in that that thread, by Timmah.
1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.
The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.
1. The less you shoot the less of a chance of sterile abscess.
2. The less you shoot the less the cost of pins.
3. The less you shoot the less the pain.
4. Sustanon was designed to be a timed-release version of test that gives equal levels of dosing for a period of time. prop:first 2 days isocaprate: hits after 4 days and depending on the sust, either decanoate or cypionate hits day 7-10 or so.
The OP is asking if he needs more pins or is once a week okay.
The answer is once a week is okay, it's not only not a big deal, it's controversial at best to do anything other than once a week with sust.
ex-tightend83
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Kris, is this really necessary? And the insults? Not to mention you guys are unconsciously hijacking Tim's thread. Let's keep this civil and just agree to disagree. Please. I come on this forum to escape my day and to garner knowledge. Not to read hot-headed insults and name-calling. You don't have to agree. But you SHOULD keep it respectful.
Kristofer68SS
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You are correct.
Terrible etiquette on my part.
My apologies to the OP for this childish tangent. I am sorry tim1985.
reps for speaking up ex-tightend.
TexasRaised
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Sounds solid tim (except the shake). Keep it up bro!
SouthernCharm
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good workouts and progress tim...
lets keep the log clean boys!
lets keep the log clean boys!
thundergod
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Sorry to offend you so easily Kris. My apologies. I never meant to anger you to the point of name-calling. Sorry sir. :notworthy:
You had already posted that the majority of the info you have garnered advocated EOD or Mon/Wed/Fri pinning protocol. Now you saying it's controversial to pin anything other than once per week? What changed your mind so suddenly? You really are torn, aren't you? :think::scratchchin:
And it's only obvious that the less frequently one pins equals less pain, less cost for syringes, and the less chance that person has of enduring a "bad" injection.
The safest route of all is the route of not pinning at all. That's keeping it safe.:thumbsup:
ex-tightend83
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I'll take my chances pinning. I'd rather die young and have to have 8-10 pallbearers carry my big ass in an extra-wide casket.
Silver3CSRT8
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Dude...at your size (not saying fat, but 300lbs+) I have a feeling you are going to need a big ass casket anyway. LOL
I agree with the others, save the drama for your mama! I understand both points, but the consensus for Sust is 3x per week for best results and more stable blood levels.
jessta
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Ok i had to say something on this. Just cuz im going to school for mortuary science..if you want to go that way..cool..just make sure you have big guys that can carry that damn thing. I so small its hard too move the big ones on my own. LOL. But i totally get ya..you want it all so go for it, so be carefully and youll be fine!!!!
ex-tightend83
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LMFAO!!!!
tim1985
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Tuesday Chest/Back/Traps
Superset #1
Incline BB Press 10 Reps 10 Sets No Rest
Pull-up to front(wide grip) 10 Reps 10 Sets 1 Minute Rest
Superset #2
Chest Dips 15-20 Reps 2 Sets No Rest
Close Grip Chins 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute Rest
Superset #3
Lateral Raises 15-20 Reps 2 Sets No Rest
Upright Rows 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute
Superset #1
Incline BB Press 10 Reps 10 Sets No Rest
Pull-up to front(wide grip) 10 Reps 10 Sets 1 Minute Rest
Superset #2
Chest Dips 15-20 Reps 2 Sets No Rest
Close Grip Chins 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute Rest
Superset #3
Lateral Raises 15-20 Reps 2 Sets No Rest
Upright Rows 15-20 Reps 2 Sets 1 Minute