Scientific Experiment/Log 12 week epi/m14/pmag cycle

schwellington

schwellington

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First of all I know the risks with what I am about to do so dont f ucking flame me and waste both my time and YOUR time!

Shutdown will suck liver will be f ucked up I know the risks of oral steroids- well


Okay so what brought this on- I simply want to see what will happen- am I crazy? WHY YES! But I am also an extremist!


This is what its going to look like

finishing up the epi at 40/50/50/50/50/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
On the last week of it

Will start taking the m14add tomorrow at 60 mgs

P mag will start next week at 75 soooo this is what it looks like!

Epi-40/50/50/50/50/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
M14-0/0/0/0/60/90/90/90/90/0/0/0
pmag- 0/0/0/0/0/75/100/100/100/100/100/100

Pct Clomid- 50/50/50/25/25/25
All the usual supprot supplements of creatine/arganine

Calories will be around 3.5k about 500 above maint


Okay so this is to push the limit- and push it hard I know this is stupid and I know some of you are going to tell me im an idiot- maybe I am I know this COULD backfire- bad- but it could be a success

Bottom Line- my body my laboratory

So Welcome for the maddness,swoleeness and educational experience!
 
ah so instead of following your original plan and hitting PCT, you're starting another oral cycle

get bloodwork done while on that
 
I will have blood work done and I will post it! This is a scientific log sir! I will post blood work for: My cholesterol, and Test- I will also be taking my blood pressure twice a week and posting that



yes I am not going into PCT I am pushing it to the limit
 
I dont think you are going to gain any more than 5-7lbs from this.

it may look like it d/t the water weight from the m14add.

maybe 10 if you're lucky and eat enough.

but im sure strength will be fun though.

weight gain from oral steroids tend to stop after 6 weeks from what data based studied show, and my own personal experience.

short cycles with minimal shut down to keep gains is the best way to go.
 
yeah Im not expecting to gain massive amounts of weight


Just seeing what is going to happen


I know m androgen receptors are worn from the epithio
 
wait why do you say 5-7 minus the water weight I am seeing people gain like 15 and keep 12 from m14 and pmag- not that the goal of this is weight gain but to see what happens rather and if I gain weight sweet

NVM i Saw what you said
 
well, my hypothesis is that after week 7 (dont know what week you are on now) you will begin to see the signs of feeling like sh it.

and you will be lethargic, sleepy, not wanting to workout, no libido, and eventually you are going to feel totally sh itty.

pct will be long and hard, but eventually you'll feel better and back to normal. when this happens, I recomend getting a full panel of blood work drawn. on everything.

it'll probably be about 2-3 months till you feel good again after the cycle.

but we'll see i'll be watching.
 
how does a receptor get "worn"? People run androgens for months, the receptors don't just go away after a few weeks.
 
UnrealMachine said:
how does a receptor get "worn"? People run androgens for months, the receptors don't just go away after a few weeks.
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Right. That's like saying taking a bunch of hormones is going to have less effect than taking a smaller amount... or that a 4 week cycle is going to be better than a 10 week cycle. I don't understand the logic. It's true that bigger is NOT always better and that more is NOT always better but when guys can run 1-2grams of test along with .5-1 gram of tren for weeks on end... well... you decide when the androgen receptors are "worn" or no longer recepting... in the meantime they will be getting huge :bigok:

Edit: I do agree though that after a cycle like that he may have a hard time restarting his own natural production. That would be detrimental to gains especially if he isn't running GH or other ancillary drugs.
 
I dont think scientist know the reason behind gains ceasing after a period of time.

me, I never said anything about the androgen receptors being worn out.

though it is a theory that makes scens, I just havn't seen any data to support it.

i think it comes from the idea of clen being ran, and how it wears on the beta 2 receptors, to the point one needs more and more, then u have to cycle off, to cleanse the receptors, or up regulate them.

I believe there are some products that up regulate the androgen receptor, this may allow you to make gains longer.

but from the data I have seen, 20 weeks on 600mg of test e does not make significantly more gains than 6 weeks of 100mg test e, and 20mg of anavar.

maybe half a lb.
 
jbryand101b said:
I dont think scientist know the reason behind gains ceasing after a period of time.

me, I never said anything about the androgen receptors being worn out.

though it is a theory that makes scens, I just havn't seen any data to support it.

i think it comes from the idea of clen being ran, and how it wears on the beta 2 receptors, to the point one needs more and more, then u have to cycle off, to cleanse the receptors, or up regulate them.

I believe there are some products that up regulate the androgen receptor, this may allow you to make gains longer.

but from the data I have seen, 20 weeks on 600mg of test e does not make significantly more gains than 6 weeks of 100mg test e, and 20mg of anavar.

maybe half a lb.
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Not to hijack the thread, but I'm wondering... do you think blitz cycling might be a better option than going on something longer? I was thinking about it for my cycle now but... I don't know. I've never done it before. Essentially what I mean is:

Weeks 1-2: epistane 90mg/day
Weeks 1-2: Sdrol 50 mg/day
Weeks 1-2: Hdrol 150 mg/day
Weeks 1-2: 1-t at some absurb dosage/day
Weeks 1-2: Test Prop 250mg/two-three times weekly

Then PCT until you feel hot for the next one.
 
Will do man I just dosed my first dose of m14add at 30 mgs 15 minutes ago

I know pct is going to be bad- but the clomid will get me up and going again at 50/50/50/25/25/25

I may feel like **** I may not



THE RIDE HAS BEGUN!
 
I am going to do a six week pct- plus wait another three months until my next cycle



God I am having second thoughts on doing this- but I have already popped the seal on the m14 and dosed- to late? LoL IM NUTZ
 
schwellington said:
First of all I know the risks with what I am about to do so dont f ucking flame me and waste both my time and YOUR time!

Shutdown will suck liver will be f ucked up I know the risks of oral steroids- well


Okay so what brought this on- I simply want to see what will happen- am I crazy? WHY YES! But I am also an extremist!


This is what its going to look like

finishing up the epi at 40/50/50/50/50/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
On the last week of it

Will start taking the m14add tomorrow at 60 mgs

P mag will start next week at 75 soooo this is what it looks like!

Epi-40/50/50/50/50/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
M14-0/0/0/0/60/90/90/90/90/0/0/0
pmag- 0/0/0/0/0/75/100/100/100/100/100/100

Pct Clomid- 50/50/50/25/25/25
All the usual supprot supplements of creatine/arganine

Calories will be around 3.5k about 500 above maint


Okay so this is to push the limit- and push it hard I know this is stupid and I know some of you are going to tell me im an idiot- maybe I am I know this COULD backfire- bad- but it could be a success

Bottom Line- my body my laboratory

So Welcome for the maddness,swoleeness and educational experience!
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in for madness, however i would definetly suggest higher on the m14add,

but remember theres a law of diminishing returns. you most likely wont get much out of it past week 7
 
I still think I will continue to make gains- we will have to see though!

Just doesnt make sense to me why I wouldnt personally

But we will hust have to see

I dosed up on 60 mgs m14add today low dose to let my body accumulate it good mood elevation too! Feel all around good
 
oh yeah starting weight- 212 bf? round 15%

Diet-slowly upping my carbs went from 150 to 250 today along with 300 grams of protien and 100 grams of fats

Target is 350 grams of carbs 300 grams protien and 100 grams fats to come out at 3500 calories my maint is about 3k cals so that should give me some room to grow- I may up it to 400
 
ps if i do not continue to make gains after week 8 I will run into the pct


This is purely educational!
 
gamer2be08 said:
LOL, I have to see what happens, im in.
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WELCOME TO THE EPICNESS!

This will either be a great success or a horrible fail.....but for the purpose of science I am doing it- and cause im just downright crazy


Deadaim mentioned I will get jaundice- I seriously doubt it


I have abused so many illicit chemicals and my liver has been fine


I think 12 weeks of a methylated compounds I will be okay


BUT He may be right we will just have to see
 
I doubt you get jaundice.. Your liver, kidney and cholesterol levels will be off throughout the cycle.. But, im sure they will bounce back to normal pretty fast when you finish.
 
yep.....but if gains slow after week 8 im running pct no use in wasting it if im not making progress still........................hw****inGO
 
LOL you my friend are retarded and i commend you for it ha. 4 days of SD into 12 wqks of other orals haha.

I also think your gains are really going to taper off, i dont know why this happens but no matter what im taking it seems to happen... except something like deca... but even if the weight gain slows i wouldnt be surprised to see your body composition continue to improve, giving you a look of more muscle maturity and density. good luck brother, you may need it.
 
THANKS HUMP! I know what im doing is compleley crazy dude- while gains may stop I believe strength will continue to go up yes? And any gains I make will be completely solidified because I have given my body enough time to adapt- at least that my theory lol
 
its the addict in me hump- defying rebellious and making a point!
 
this is ****ing completley crazy of me- since ive already started the m14add is pct an option here? I may just power through tho lol im kinda interested to see whats going to happen
 
If you can continue to eat an excess amount of calories and enough protein with sufficient rest, I dont see why you cant gain throughout the 13 weeks..
 
gentlemen I hate to brake it to you- I was talking to patrick arnold- and yes past 4-6 weeks is pointless thus I have no need to waste my m14add- and will go into pct day after tommorrow- well it was fun while it lasted sorry guys!
 
yeah no ****...well FLAME ON CAUSE I KNOW ITS COMING!
 
my butthole is going to be BURNING FROM THE FLAMING
 
Yeah....sigh....**** I hate my addict side sometimes- but at least I listened to PA and didnt power on saying f uck him he dont know nothing



well Guess I should pct it up and wait till winter


and hump I bear no grudge- I do stupid **** sometimes


But the mdrol log was pretty epic eh?
 
im done with this forum :(
 
that was a joke d ick
 
Well I for one commend you, a man has to know his limits not only so he can break them when the time comes but so he knows when to back off before he kill himself.
 
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BigBlackGuy said:
Well I for one commend you, a man has to know his limits not only so he can break them when the time comes but so he knows when to back off before he kill himself.
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Exactly couldnt have said it better thank you sir!
 
sure, I tell you gains will stop after 6 weeks, and you dont listen.

moth fukcing patrick arnold tells you same ****, and you listen.

whats he got that I dont, besides being an expert on chemistry, and steroids.

just kidding, but any how

I FUKCING TOLD YOU SO.
 
i had no idea you got told by PA. Now this thread is epic, or epic fail
 
HumpTheCook said:
but you probably would have started a new thread to say it haha jk jk. had to.
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Naw man I aint trippin lol I laughed at that ****.....im pretty thick skined now a days
 
and i didnt really get told by PA I should have worded myself better- I did a little research and PA's research was the effect of diminishing returns where people start getting less and less after 4-6 weeks of a steroid- oral I believe
 
it is oral. I havn't read pa's view's on it.

but I have read a study done with anavar. 20mg e/d.

6 weeks vs 8 weeks

gains ceased after the 6 week mark.

my own experience is agrees with this i've added maybe 5lbs. but it was most likely water weight, as it was lost during pct.
 
but a static dose of var that's about 1/3 as much as you should be taking isn't the kind of cycle I would want to draw conclusions from.

you can absolutely continue making gains on week 6/7/8 of a cycle. you just need to vary the doses and change compounds.
 
UnrealMachine said:
but a static dose of var that's about 1/3 as much as you should be taking isn't the kind of cycle I would want to draw conclusions from.

you can absolutely continue making gains on week 6/7/8 of a cycle. you just need to vary the doses and change compounds.
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This^^^
 
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