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Non-Methyl DS

Dante87

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Can anyone recommend some non methylated DS that would help maintain gains from a harsher methyl, superdrol in this case. And yes, I know Epi is good for this but I'm looking for a liver friendly one.
 
if youre not wanting to run another methyl... which is smart.... you might try pulsing.. how far into your superdrol cycle are you?
 
Oh, I haven't started it. I'm planning for my next one. I don't mind the toxicity of superdrol for 3 weeks, it's just for the bridge that I don't want to use a methyl. I'm experimenting with a new idea for a cycle.
 
You should check out Unreals guide to superdrol. It covers a lot of bases man.. If anyone here knows superdrol, that is your man. He has helped me plenty.
 
SouthernCharm said:
You should check out Unreals guide to superdrol. It covers a lot of bases man.. If anyone here knows superdrol, that is your man. He has helped me plenty.
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Oh I have, :).

I've actually run it before too, but like I said, I had this idea for a cycle and need a non methyl that doesn't suck. Haha.
 
Dante87 said:
Can anyone recommend some non methylated DS that would help maintain gains from a harsher methyl, superdrol in this case. And yes, I know Epi is good for this but I'm looking for a liver friendly one.
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primordial performance 1-t:ntome:
 
while epi is methylated it is not nearly as harsh as other methyls- I wouldnt stack it with sd but u could bridge it!

SD-10/20/20/0/0/0
Epi-0/0/30/40/40/40

Something like that
 
it will also shut you down VERY hard- not a good idea
 
if u do it though run the 19 nor first- using the sd to solidify and keep the wet gains made on the 19 nor- but I would not reccomend this cycle plenty of people are bridging sd and epi with great success- just saying
 
schwellington said:
if u do it though run the 19 nor first- using the sd to solidify and keep the wet gains made on the 19 nor- but I would not reccomend this cycle plenty of people are bridging sd and epi with great success- just saying
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I would hardly call 19nor gains wet...

Also, I'm planning an extreme oral cycle. I'm prepared for shutdown. I'd probably log what I'm doing but to many people would flip out.
 
19 nor is progesterone meaning its wet
 
no offense, but if you think any 19 nor androgen is a progesting you need to research better sources.

tren is dienedione (pro dienolone) a pro hormone to dienolone. and an anabolic androgenic steroid.

not a progestin. there are no progestin compounds used as steroids. not pro dienolone, not max lmg, not propadrol.

you guys need to get that dumb azz bro science out of your heads.

Pro dienolone (tren) = anabolic/androgenic compound.

max lmg = anabolic/androgenic compound

propadrol = anabolic/androgenic compound

not progestins. progestins are used for things like birth control. you dont see a bunch of biches all swole walking around with 16" arms.

these are all pro hormones that convert into anabolic/androgenic steroids.

now, nor-androgen compounds do have some interaction with the progestin receptors, but they are androgens, that bind to the androgen receptor.

max lmg can cause some wet gains d/t interaction with the progestin receptor, and also d/t some minor conversion into estrogen.

pro dienolone does not aromatize, does have some interaction with the progestin receptor which can increase estrogenic sides, but is mainly a dry compound, similar to trenbolone, but much weaker.

propadrol, well, not much is known about this, i'll have to get back on this, but so far, users report dry lean gains. this is different than max lmg.

non methyl stack to bridge into, i'd say 4-androstenediol/1-androstenediol
 
I dont think anyone was claiming it was literally a progestin just that it affects your progestin levels
 
deadaim said:
I dont think anyone was claiming it was literally a progestin just that it affects your progestin levels
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- lol no I know tren or even a ps form of tren is not used as birth control- although the information jbry some of it is new to me-thus I have learned more today
 
there's not many choices for nonmethyls

a) x-tren
b) max LMG
c) 1T
d) 11oxo

out of all 4 that have been mentioned in this thread, I would choose the 1T. The first two... YES i've been calling them PROGESTINS, because of the progestin activity they elicit anyway, are less ideal to bridge to because of the shutdown... Transdermal 1T strikes me as a good choice. 11-OXO, the problem is it's so weak, even at a high dose I am skeptical about it being able to accomplish the job as well as 1T would.

With 1T however I'd want more than 7 days of overlap. I think the cycle should get overhauled. I would do at least 10 days of overlap with the 1T, and then extend the SD a few days, make it more like 25 days. 3 weeks is pretty short.
 
calling them progestins confuses the newbs un. but gets back to what we're always tellin them, reseach, and it will clear up their confusion.

and there aren't a lot of people that know max lmg is an androgen.

in it's pre converted form, it's chemical structure is almost identical to ru-86 or w/e that birth control pill is called.

but once it hits the stomach acids, it is converted into a nor-androgen pro hormone that resembles norbolethone.
 
UnrealMachine said:
there's not many choices for nonmethyls

a) x-tren
b) max LMG
c) 1T
d) 11oxo

out of all 4 that have been mentioned in this thread, I would choose the 1T. The first two... YES i've been calling them PROGESTINS, because of the progestin activity they elicit anyway, are less ideal to bridge to because of the shutdown... Transdermal 1T strikes me as a good choice. 11-OXO, the problem is it's so weak, even at a high dose I am skeptical about it being able to accomplish the job as well as 1T would.

With 1T however I'd want more than 7 days of overlap. I think the cycle should get overhauled. I would do at least 10 days of overlap with the 1T, and then extend the SD a few days, make it more like 25 days. 3 weeks is pretty short.
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I was also extremely skeptical about the 11-oxo for bridging, i scoured the internet and found a few people who used it off of SD with good success. But still i wouldnt run it less than around 10 caps a day.
 
deadaim said:
I was also extremely skeptical about the 11-oxo for bridging, i scoured the internet and found a few people who used it off of SD with good success. But still i wouldnt run it less than around 10 caps a day.
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yeah I agree man the compound is weak yet I find it VERY effective if A. Dosed right, B. For cutting purposes. C. If diet is on point


I have never used it in anything except this recent cut I am finishing up


So that is the only experience I can speak from but hey I started at 215 and am now at 211 but I have dropped almost a pants size and gone up in strength on almost all my lifts- solid ass recomp it sounds like?!
 
good cut.

a better recomp would of been if you dropped a pant size, and stayed the same weight. and all ur lifts went up.
 
schwellington said:
yeah I agree man the compound is weak yet I find it VERY effective if A. Dosed right, B. For cutting purposes. C. If diet is on point


I have never used it in anything except this recent cut I am finishing up


So that is the only experience I can speak from but hey I started at 215 and am now at 211 but I have dropped almost a pants size and gone up in strength on almost all my lifts- solid ass recomp it sounds like?!
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Sounds like it. You should go by the mirror. And definitely take progress pics!

Last summer when i did my hardcore recomp, i took a bunch of pics and even videos on a weekly basis. week 4 i was looking real lean, but still kind of soft. After week 8 I looked like i was carved outta granite, veins and striations. I knew i was getting leaner but i didn't really see it until I looked back over all the pictures and videos.

jbryand101b said:
good cut.

a better recomp would of been if you dropped a pant size, and stayed the same weight. and all ur lifts went up.
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i think 4 pounds is within the realm of a recomp, you lose about that just from clearing out some carby water weight after a bulk.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Sounds like it. You should go by the mirror. And definitely take progress pics!

Last summer when i did my hardcore recomp, i took a bunch of pics and even videos on a weekly basis. week 4 i was looking real lean, but still kind of soft. After week 8 I looked like i was carved outta granite, veins and striations. I knew i was getting leaner but i didn't really see it until I looked back over all the pictures and videos.



i think 4 pounds is within the realm of a recomp, you lose about that just from clearing out some carby water weight after a bulk.
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i need to buy a digi- ihave before and afters on my phone just need to up load them lolz


I will have a digi b4 long though
 
Fura is always a possibility...

you could do

SD - 10/20/20
Fura - 0/200/200/250/250/300/300

or something like that
 
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