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Anthony Roberts on SARMS s4...check it out
Yesterday, I blogged about my experience with S-4, a Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator. I had no idea that I’d be getting such a huge response for that one blog post. Right now, I’m conducting more research into the practical application of S-4. I’m not claiming to have discovered this great new thing…you can search many of the major message boards and find that people have been talking about them for literally years. On steroid.com and other places, you can actually see that I approached a couple of research chemical companies a few years back, and asked if they were interested in bringing them to the market (I was intellectually curious, I suppose).
Last December I even spoke to Don Caitlin about them – mostly just asking if they were on his radar yet. He told me that he was aware of them, but that they weren’t really an issue. At that point, I already knew that they were in the United States, and even in the state I was living in at the time.
So remember, SARMs aren’t new – the thing that makes them suddenly interesting again is the fact that I’ve finally gotten first-hand experience in using them, and that they’re available on the market. People have been flooding my inbox asking where to get it, but take a step back for a second and let’s make a list of what S-4 actually does and doesn’t do:
* 1. Undetectable (this doesn’t matter for most of my readers)
* 2. Oral (no injections needed, but this won’t matter for my readers)
* 3. Similar effects to testosterone (libido, strength gains, etc…)
* 4. No conversion to Dihydrotestosterone
* 5. No conversion to estrogen
* 6. As anabolic as testosterone propionate
* 7. No liver toxicity
* 8. Does not inhibit your HPTA (no reduction in LH or FSH)
* 9. (Legal?)
Now, in my experience, the strength gains were very good – although not much weight followed [My experience was in agreement with the Phase-II clinical trial on S-4] In other words we can look at this similarly to a high-dose of Anavar (in terms of strength and weight gains). But unlike Anavar (or Masteron, or Winstrol, or the DHT-Family of steroids), we won’t see a real “hardening effect” from it. We also won’t see the huge gains in muscle that testosterone or anadrol will give us.
SARMs wont make you look like the guy on the left, but they can probably keep you from looking like the guy on the right.
SARMs won't make you look like the guy on the left, but they can probably keep you from looking like the guy on the right.
Remember, virtually all of the DHT-family of steroids (again I’m talking about Masteron, Winstrol, Anavar, Primobolan, Proviron) are what we consider “cutting drugs” – this is not a coincidence. Unfortunately, S-4 does not produce the same look to a physique as these drugs. It produces similar strength gains, and similar weight gains (a few pounds at most), and no water retention – but it just doesn’t make your physique “hard looking” like those other drugs. Realistically, we need to view S-4 as what it is…a nice, mild, non-liver-toxic oral anabolic.
It’s a fair trade off. There is no liver toxicity or inhibition of the HPTA…which is amazing for an oral androgen. It also means:
The ALL-ORAL cycle is now a possibility! Keeping 100% of your gains during PCT is possible!
On the internet, on most message boards, people will attack anyone asking about doing an all oral cycle. But in this case, if you can get your hands on S-4, then an all oral cycle is very possible. S-4 and Anavar would probably be an amazing cycle, but what I’d really like to try is S-4 and Proviron. Proviron is a nice DHT-derived non c17 alpha Alkylated steroid (and is therefore not liver toxic).
Using Proviron with S-4 would be an all oral, non-liver-toxic cycle that combines a nice hardening agent with a nice androgen that effectively replaces testosterone. I’d expect really great results for the average user on a cycle like this, and it has the added benefit of very low side effects – and it is an ALL ORAL cycle that you can run for 12 weeks without worrying about hepatoxicity.
I also think that S-4 has a strong potential for use in PCT. It doesn’t appear to inhibit the HPTA, and is a nice anabolic. I can imagine people making a full recovery using my PCT combined with S-4 and losing literally none of their gains (although they’d probably drop some water weight, I suspect they wouldn’t lose any muscle).
Anyway, I just thought I’d put some theories out there for you, let you know where I’ve been in my experience and research, and let you know what direction I’m going in with my current research on S-4 and SARMs in general.
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Anthony Roberts on SARMS s4...check it out
Yesterday, I blogged about my experience with S-4, a Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator. I had no idea that I’d be getting such a huge response for that one blog post. Right now, I’m conducting more research into the practical application of S-4. I’m not claiming to have discovered this great new thing…you can search many of the major message boards and find that people have been talking about them for literally years. On steroid.com and other places, you can actually see that I approached a couple of research chemical companies a few years back, and asked if they were interested in bringing them to the market (I was intellectually curious, I suppose).
Last December I even spoke to Don Caitlin about them – mostly just asking if they were on his radar yet. He told me that he was aware of them, but that they weren’t really an issue. At that point, I already knew that they were in the United States, and even in the state I was living in at the time.
So remember, SARMs aren’t new – the thing that makes them suddenly interesting again is the fact that I’ve finally gotten first-hand experience in using them, and that they’re available on the market. People have been flooding my inbox asking where to get it, but take a step back for a second and let’s make a list of what S-4 actually does and doesn’t do:
* 1. Undetectable (this doesn’t matter for most of my readers)
* 2. Oral (no injections needed, but this won’t matter for my readers)
* 3. Similar effects to testosterone (libido, strength gains, etc…)
* 4. No conversion to Dihydrotestosterone
* 5. No conversion to estrogen
* 6. As anabolic as testosterone propionate
* 7. No liver toxicity
* 8. Does not inhibit your HPTA (no reduction in LH or FSH)
* 9. (Legal?)
Now, in my experience, the strength gains were very good – although not much weight followed [My experience was in agreement with the Phase-II clinical trial on S-4] In other words we can look at this similarly to a high-dose of Anavar (in terms of strength and weight gains). But unlike Anavar (or Masteron, or Winstrol, or the DHT-Family of steroids), we won’t see a real “hardening effect” from it. We also won’t see the huge gains in muscle that testosterone or anadrol will give us.
SARMs wont make you look like the guy on the left, but they can probably keep you from looking like the guy on the right.
SARMs won't make you look like the guy on the left, but they can probably keep you from looking like the guy on the right.
Remember, virtually all of the DHT-family of steroids (again I’m talking about Masteron, Winstrol, Anavar, Primobolan, Proviron) are what we consider “cutting drugs” – this is not a coincidence. Unfortunately, S-4 does not produce the same look to a physique as these drugs. It produces similar strength gains, and similar weight gains (a few pounds at most), and no water retention – but it just doesn’t make your physique “hard looking” like those other drugs. Realistically, we need to view S-4 as what it is…a nice, mild, non-liver-toxic oral anabolic.
It’s a fair trade off. There is no liver toxicity or inhibition of the HPTA…which is amazing for an oral androgen. It also means:
The ALL-ORAL cycle is now a possibility! Keeping 100% of your gains during PCT is possible!
On the internet, on most message boards, people will attack anyone asking about doing an all oral cycle. But in this case, if you can get your hands on S-4, then an all oral cycle is very possible. S-4 and Anavar would probably be an amazing cycle, but what I’d really like to try is S-4 and Proviron. Proviron is a nice DHT-derived non c17 alpha Alkylated steroid (and is therefore not liver toxic).
Using Proviron with S-4 would be an all oral, non-liver-toxic cycle that combines a nice hardening agent with a nice androgen that effectively replaces testosterone. I’d expect really great results for the average user on a cycle like this, and it has the added benefit of very low side effects – and it is an ALL ORAL cycle that you can run for 12 weeks without worrying about hepatoxicity.
I also think that S-4 has a strong potential for use in PCT. It doesn’t appear to inhibit the HPTA, and is a nice anabolic. I can imagine people making a full recovery using my PCT combined with S-4 and losing literally none of their gains (although they’d probably drop some water weight, I suspect they wouldn’t lose any muscle).
Anyway, I just thought I’d put some theories out there for you, let you know where I’ve been in my experience and research, and let you know what direction I’m going in with my current research on S-4 and SARMs in general.
Bookmark It
