The Strongest Natural Testosterone Booster Available? (Blood Work Included)

Yeah sure! Tell me what the diamonds in the dirt are? I dont mean to be ****y, but I have spent thousands of $$$$$$$$ on BS. and thats what it is, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Bull****. All you need is very simple if you want to go natural,,, protein,creatine,Bcaas and of course a preworkout, intra or post will help,, but all this Prime and Powerfull and GH up and testo-pro,,,,,listen to u guys, its a bunch of bull****. All it is is a state of well being and placebo effect. Take a mild PH and good PCT and you will be far better and save much more $$$$$ then taking this other crap! **** forget the whole cycle and just buy some Clomid and you will see 100X the results then any of this other bs products.
Please someone tell me i am wrong!
 
musclehustler said:
Yeah sure! Tell me what the diamonds in the dirt are? I dont mean to be ****y, but I have spent thousands of $$$$$$$$ on BS. and thats what it is, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Bull****. All you need is very simple if you want to go natural,,, protein,creatine,Bcaas and of course a preworkout, intra or post will help,, but all this Prime and Powerfull and GH up and testo-pro,,,,,listen to u guys, its a bunch of bull****. All it is is a state of well being and placebo effect. Take a mild PH and good PCT and you will be far better and save much more $$$$$ then taking this other crap! **** forget the whole cycle and just buy some Clomid and you will see 100X the results then any of this other bs products.
Please someone tell me i am wrong!
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You are wrong about one thing.

Herbals maybe bull**** to some, but offer serious results to others

I think you are wrong when that you say Prime...powerfull...etc are bull. I use them, I get amazing results. Anabolic pump....prime...yeah i get a measurable pump difference rested. Strength gains are strong and steady. And I dont lose my strength gains once i go off a certain cycle.


Im not saying using synthetics arent as effective...ive never used a synthetic...never used a PH, DS, or str8 test. But when im putting up more weight then my buddies which have used it....then i can say they are wasting their time.

So it's fine you dont prefer them, and if you dont like them you should not use them. But I love them...i consider them my preferred means of supplementation. And its not that i lack balls, I assure you the one thing i dont lack is balls...but my decisin to stay natural is that based on sufficient research that i feel the negatives of using a cycle of hormonals outweigh the momentary benefits.
 
musclehustler said:
Yeah sure! Tell me what the diamonds in the dirt are? I dont mean to be ****y, but I have spent thousands of $$$$$$$$ on BS. and thats what it is, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Bull****. All you need is very simple if you want to go natural,,, protein,creatine,Bcaas and of course a preworkout, intra or post will help,, but all this Prime and Powerfull and GH up and testo-pro,,,,,listen to u guys, its a bunch of bull****. All it is is a state of well being and placebo effect. Take a mild PH and good PCT and you will be far better and save much more $$$$$ then taking this other crap! **** forget the whole cycle and just buy some Clomid and you will see 100X the results then any of this other bs products.
Please someone tell me i am wrong!
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Im not gonna tell you your wrong man. GH boosters etc are laughable to me. Anyone with half a brain knows they are a complete joke. Your right bout results. I am simply saying if someone buys something and gets results (placebo or not) it is no waste.
But your right, not a natural supp on earth that any company can back with solid, consistent EXTENSIVE blood results. Shame really, they all turn massive profits but cry poor when it comes to proving supps......
However, not all people wanna go AAS brother, you gotta respect it.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Im not gonna tell you your wrong man. GH boosters etc are laughable to me. Anyone with half a brain knows they are a complete joke. Your right bout results. I am simply saying if someone buys something and gets results (placebo or not) it is no waste.
But your right, not a natural supp on earth that any company can back with solid, consistent EXTENSIVE blood results. Shame really, they all turn massive profits but cry poor when it comes to proving supps......
However, not all people wanna go AAS brother, you gotta respect it.
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Just going by pure data is a very known fact Real Recombinant Growth Hormone takes anywhere from 8 months to a year to start to show effects. Peptides available today (mainly 1-29 mod GHRH,ghrp-6/2, pGH or injectable gabob/gaba) also produce very similar results when combined, and only if executing the many variables involved with perfection over extended periods.(quality, recon delicacy and storage in proper temperature, doses used in conjunction with frequency, and in a fasted state with low diatary fats consumed near injections)

Dopamine agonists would be the last thing that will do anything worth mentioning to produce enhanced secretion via inhibition of prolactin that haults GH output. A single-chain protein hormone similar in structure to GH, also released from the anterior pituitary that stimulates and sustains lactation. Dopamine acts like an "on" switch, whereas prolactin is the "off" switch to GH output duration, and frequency.

These are the facts, and the only methods with any credible documentation, or studies that support their effectiveness to replace, mimic via stimulation, or enhance GH output PERIOD!

I did not want to re-hijack this thread, but a very indepth conversation developed, and this is a great example of how a thread like this can be extremely helpful in ways not even initially intended.

Lets add to the information both shared and learned, but without attacking any specific company or product, as I for one learned that helps nobody in the end. We all share the same passion at the end of the day, and we all have different and useful things to add and share among eachother. We all strive to bring new ideas, and products to make our sport/hobby more beneficial to ourselves, and those that also strive to enhance their physique, and health.

The vets, company reps, and owners have been in the center of things for a while and all have insight in specific areas, but not limited to one aspect. I learn from you , because we take pride in our sport, and it's contents and this is again obviously done with a passion.

Perhaps we can have a mod move the newly added discussion from this thread to a new one, if LG has any problems with it interfering with the threads main purpose. I'll talk to my buddy Jayhawkk, although he's in Atlantic city loosing large sums of money currently lol.
 
I disagree with some of the points, mainly on GH. It doesn't take 8 months to see the effects of GH, it is way shorter than that, depending on the dose. Noticeable effects can be had in 1-2 months on GH, but NOTHING including test is going to REALLY put 10-20lbs on you in a month. Much of it is increased water and glycogen, which we all know from our PH days. I am doing a small clinical trial on our GHenerate and IGH-1 supplements, simply because I think that they might be very effective compared to GHRP.
 
LegalGear said:
I disagree with some of the points, mainly on GH. It doesn't take 8 months to see the effects of GH, it is way shorter than that, depending on the dose. Noticeable effects can be had in 1-2 months on GH, but NOTHING including test is going to REALLY put 10-20lbs on you in a month. Much of it is increased water and glycogen, which we all know from our PH days. I am doing a small clinical trial on our GHenerate and IGH-1 supplements, simply because I think that they might be very effective compared to GHRP.
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I guess depending on the effects desired, duration would be a factor, as would dose used. To improve skin integruty, and replace lost elasticity I have only seen people state 6-8 months is the minimum time to show effect. Any new cells created via IGF-1 increases will take several months to mature, and only in an environment with exposure to potent androgens supplemented to harvest them. What effects are you talking about that show noticeable improvements in 1 or 2 months?

According to this Harvard study using .003mg/kg of Recombinant Growth Hormone shows effect in depletion of viseral fat at around the 6 month mark.

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If people could realistically get results similar taking an OTC oral product without spending thousands of dollars, I'm sure it would have been brought to the attention of every, and all growth hormone manufacture companys, and put them out of business if any actual proven studies done by respected organizations existed.

Peptides via injection are capable of reaching the pituitary, nothing taken orally will be effective to any great extent, unable to cross the blood brain barrier before the stomach breaks it down completely. L-dopa could be one exception here.

Just adding to the debate, I would love to see new innovative things evolve and take things to new levels.
 
TripDog said:
I guess depending on the effects desired, duration would be a factor, as would dose used. To improve skin integruty, and replace lost elasticity I have only seen people state 6-8 months is the minimum time to show effect. Any new cells created via IGF-1 increases will take several months to mature, and only in an environment with exposure to potent androgens supplemented to harvest them. What effects are you talking about that show noticeable improvements in 1 or 2 months?

According to this Harvard study using .003mg/kg of Recombinant Growth Hormone shows effect in depletion of viseral fat at around the 6 month mark.

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If people could realistically get results similar taking an OTC oral product without spending thousands of dollars, I'm sure it would have been brought to the attention of every, and all growth hormone manufacture companys, and put them out of business if any actual proven studies done by respected organizations existed.

Peptides via injection are capable of reaching the pituitary, nothing taken orally will be effective to any great extent, unable to cross the blood brain barrier before the stomach breaks it down completely. L-dopa could be one exception here.

Just adding to the debate, I would love to see new innovative things evolve and take things to new levels.
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the problem with hgh otc products is the recommended usage time is usually no more than 2 months. this is also true of test boosters- the 2 month mark is probably the point at which increased test would start having positive effects on body comp/strength. the ph's were very popular because of being fast acting-hell many guys front load a aas cycle with ph's. i really feel that it is a different pathway that is causing effects from otc boosters other than increased test/hgh.
 
Cordeen said:
I am 3 days into a low dose H-Drol cycle for 4 weeks (25mg/day). I know it is low but I am trying something. Support supps are Sustain Alpha LV On-Cycle at 3 days on 3 days off and Anabolic Innovations's Perform throughout. PCT will be Formadrol Extreme XL which I should receive in a few days. I am excited to see what it brings to the table for recovery!! So until then I guess I'll just sniff the bottle. But I will report back once I start PCT. I expect an easy recovery and to maintain my gains.
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Yoooo! that's pretty much how I ran my H-drol.. actually I went up to 50mg for weeks 2 and 3. I am running Formadrol Extreme as my PCT and it's going VERY WELL! I'm energetic, my strength is still going UP! Yes.. I am still increasing weight in the gym and I'm on a caloric deficit. Fat is still coming off I am super satisfied with this product thus far! :)
 
Turbo12a said:
Yoooo! that's pretty much how I ran my H-drol.. actually I went up to 50mg for weeks 2 and 3. I am running Formadrol Extreme as my PCT and it's going VERY WELL! I'm energetic, my strength is still going UP! Yes.. I am still increasing weight in the gym and I'm on a caloric deficit. Fat is still coming off I am super satisfied with this product thus far! :)
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Thats good news for ya man, Wish more people here were runnin it. I just started last night and thios morn (2 caps) both doses. Obviously wont be able to tell for first 5 days or so. I slept this morn after I had got up already though. That is unusual for me. Any lethargy for you after dosing? should I dose 3 at nioght 1 in morn maybe?
 
definitely not lethargic on this stuff. that could be your diet? :) I dunno man. One guy said he was doing 5 caps all before he went to bed so I don't see why taking 3 pm and only 1am would hurt.
 
Turbo12a said:
definitely not lethargic on this stuff. that could be your diet? :) I dunno man. One guy said he was doing 5 caps all before he went to bed so I don't see why taking 3 pm and only 1am would hurt.
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sweet, just curious. enjoy your run. good libido? post up some info bro. Things you,ve noticed etc:D
 
You shouldn't have any lethargy from the Formadrol. You can dose all at night, or you could split it up during the day. I'd listen to IC though, he knows these products very well.
 
GMG760 said:
You shouldn't have any lethargy from the Formadrol. You can dose all at night, or you could split it up during the day. I'd listen to IC though, he knows these products very well.
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yeah was prob some other reason, just curious. Hard to find people who are running just this though. All the logs are with other stuff, Or straight after other stuff. Wouldn't mind a libido hit, that is always fun :D But Im more interestd in strength.
 
LegalGear said:
I am compiling a list of IC50 values for the common AI's out there. Here is what I have so far. This is just a start and not ready for prime time yet, but it is a good start. As you can see this 7-Methoxy-flavone everyone is touting is not strong at all. It is fairly bioavailable but it is really weak...

Anything under 50 is really potent and the difference between 2 and 20nm is not noticeable.

Compound IC50
Arimidex 8-25nm
Letro 2nm
Butein 375nm
ATD 180nm
LG Secret AI 20nm
6-OXO 430nm
7-MethoxyFlavone 1900nm
3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID 3070nm
2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE 70nm
Formestane 800nm

I will continue to add to this list.

Now, that being said, why would we put the 3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID into Formadrol when the other ingredient 2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE is so potent? One main reason, everything that is not steroidal like 6-OXO, Formestane or ATD are not suicide inhibitors, which means they only temporarily deactivate the enzyme. The only one on the list that is non-steroidal yet is a suicide inhibitor is 3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID.

Maybe Resolve can help me with more on this list...
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These are some of the ingredients in Methyl 1-D (by LG):
Prohormone Complex 125mg **
3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One
3-Beta-Hydroxy-Urs-12-En-28-Oic Acid
Para-Hydroxy-Phenyl-Ethanolamine

so is 3-beta-hydroxyandrost... good or bad?
 
WarMachine000 said:
These are some of the ingredients in Methyl 1-D (by LG):
Prohormone Complex 125mg **
3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One
3-Beta-Hydroxy-Urs-12-En-28-Oic Acid
Para-Hydroxy-Phenyl-Ethanolamine

so is 3-beta-hydroxyandrost... good or bad?
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It is good. It converts to Test.
 
Turbo12a said:
definitely not lethargic on this stuff. that could be your diet? :) I dunno man. One guy said he was doing 5 caps all before he went to bed so I don't see why taking 3 pm and only 1am would hurt.
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That was probably me. :fest30:

You can split it up morning/night or just take all at night. It's totally up to you. The bloodwork is based off of a guy that was dosing 2AM and 2PM, but I personally like to take all of them at night.

Lethargy shouldn't at all be Formadrol related. Never heard of that being a problem.
 
I'm curious as to how the all natural Formadrol stacks up against the old formula; in terms of increasing free testosterone.
 
ohiostate2827 said:
still sounds too good to be true imo..
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Try it and see! :)

theface said:
I'm curious as to how the all natural Formadrol stacks up against the old formula; in terms of increasing free testosterone.
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That's a good question, but probably hard to judge even with bloodwork as the ATD in the old formula would cause a false positive.

This stuff has my vote for sure. I'm on M1D/Epi/SD(Microdrol)/Formadrol right now and feel great. Uber teh hornies, dense muscle tissue, climbing strength, good energy. - Basically exactly how you're not supposed to feel on Epi/SD. :silly:
 
Irish-
How would you recommend taking one bottle of Methyl 1-D and one bottle of Formadrol? Methyl then Form, or could you stack them and not require PCT?
 
WarMachine000 said:
Irish-
How would you recommend taking one bottle of Methyl 1-D and one bottle of Formadrol? Methyl then Form, or could you stack them and not require PCT?
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This is from LG Sciences website, as the instructions per Methyl 1-D:
RECOMMENDATION: As a dietary supplement take
3 to 6 capsules per day in divided doses either with or
without meals. Use Methyl 1-D for 4 to 6 week cycles.
As a post cycle therapy, use Formadrol Extreme to
maintain your gains & boost natural testosterone levels.

Now with that said I have no experience with either supplement, so IC will be able to provide a better response.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Try it and see! :)



That's a good question, but probably hard to judge even with bloodwork as the ATD in the old formula would cause a false positive.

This stuff has my vote for sure. I'm on M1D/Epi/SD(Microdrol)/Formadrol right now and feel great. Uber teh hornies, dense muscle tissue, climbing strength, good energy. - Basically exactly how you're not supposed to feel on Epi/SD. :silly:
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That's impressive to feel energized etc on SD, but you are on a myriad of products right now. I'm wondering if anyone has ran this for pct or as a stand alone. After all, with blood work that boasts boosts increases in test levels like the ones referenced in this thread, this product should be sufficient to be ran as a stand alone; scientifically speaking. Can anyone shed some light in terms of people who have done logs on the new Formadrol? Oh, and I also found a post from Dr. C, who is 37 and says his test levels were boosted to 1100 plus because of GN's Novedex.
 
WarMachine000 said:
Thanks, Irish!
Now if only LG will offer a promo discount so that we can all post rave reviews. It's cheaper than advertising, right?
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Agreed. A discount with the guarantee of a detailed log (on the customer's part) would be nice, or at least a money back guarantee. I think everyone is a little disillusioned with the supplement industry because of companies like Muscletech and products like Anator etc., which claim to alter your genetics, give the user 15 lbs of lean muscle growth, so on and so forth. I think we are all tired of being blasted in the @$$ by ridiculous claims and expensive products that offer little to no results.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Try it and see! :)



That's a good question, but probably hard to judge even with bloodwork as the ATD in the old formula would cause a false positive.

This stuff has my vote for sure. I'm on M1D/Epi/SD(Microdrol)/Formadrol right now and feel great. Uber teh hornies, dense muscle tissue, climbing strength, good energy. - Basically exactly how you're not supposed to feel on Epi/SD. :silly:
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Are you taking Formadrol On-Cycle?
 
WarMachine000 said:
Irish-
How would you recommend taking one bottle of Methyl 1-D and one bottle of Formadrol? Methyl then Form, or could you stack them and not require PCT?
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HereToStudy said:
This is from LG Sciences website, as the instructions per Methyl 1-D:
RECOMMENDATION: As a dietary supplement take
3 to 6 capsules per day in divided doses either with or
without meals. Use Methyl 1-D for 4 to 6 week cycles.
As a post cycle therapy, use Formadrol Extreme to
maintain your gains & boost natural testosterone levels.

Now with that said I have no experience with either supplement, so IC will be able to provide a better response.
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Between 4-8 caps/day, spread over three doses for 4-8 weeks. - That's my PERSONAL recommendation.

theface said:
That's impressive to feel energized etc on SD, but you are on a myriad of products right now. I'm wondering if anyone has ran this for pct or as a stand alone. After all, with blood work that boasts boosts increases in test levels like the ones referenced in this thread, this product should be sufficient to be ran as a stand alone; scientifically speaking. Can anyone shed some light in terms of people who have done logs on the new Formadrol? Oh, and I also found a post from Dr. C, who is 37 and says his test levels were boosted to 1100 plus because of GN's Novedex.
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It's even more impressive seeing how my carbs are so low.

It's hard to get a solid reading with Novedex as it contains ATD and registers a false positive for Test.
 
Irish Cannon said:
This stuff has my vote for sure. I'm on M1D/Epi/SD(Microdrol)/Formadrol right now and feel great. Uber teh hornies, dense muscle tissue, climbing strength, good energy. - Basically exactly how you're not supposed to feel on Epi/SD. :silly:
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:notworthy: Wow.....what a stack!!

But I'm curious like the other poster who asked why you're taking the Formadrol ON cycle? I would think you would use that for your PCT.
 
Irish Cannon said:
That's a good question, but probably hard to judge even with bloodwork as the ATD in the old formula would cause a false positive.
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Irish Cannon said:
It's hard to get a solid reading with Novedex as it contains ATD and registers a false positive for Test.
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That's twice you said that ATD will cause a "false" reading on a test. I'm curious as to why it would be false.
I would think that since ATD lowers (kills) estrogen levels, this would signal the Hypothalmus to send a message to the Leydig cells within the testes to create more testosterone to let aromatase enzymes attach and create more estrogen to achieve homeostasis. So you would end up with more Testosterone. A true reading instead of a false one.


Or this was my impression.......

I'm thinking that the Formadrol would work somewhat the same.

Can you clarify?
 
thundergod said:
:notworthy: Wow.....what a stack!!

But I'm curious like the other poster who asked why you're taking the Formadrol ON cycle? I would think you would use that for your PCT.
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Ingredients in Formadrol are shown to increase LH. My theory is that if I run Formadrol on cycle I can minimize suppression on cycle. So far I feel very good on cycle. I'm running it for another week and then I'll do PCT.

thundergod said:
That's twice you said that ATD will cause a "false" reading on a test. I'm curious as to why it would be false.
I would think that since ATD lowers (kills) estrogen levels, this would signal the Hypothalmus to send a message to the Leydig cells within the testes to create more testosterone to let aromatase enzymes attach and create more estrogen to achieve homeostasis. So you would end up with more Testosterone. A true reading instead of a false one.


Or this was my impression.......

I'm thinking that the Formadrol would work somewhat the same.

Can you clarify?
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ATD metabolites falsely register as testosterone on blood panel tests. What you see as testosterone may actually just be the metabolites of ATD, so it's really not a true test of testosterone levels.
 
theface said:
Agreed. A discount with the guarantee of a detailed log (on the customer's part) would be nice, or at least a money back guarantee. I think everyone is a little disillusioned with the supplement industry because of companies like Muscletech and products like Anator etc., which claim to alter your genetics, give the user 15 lbs of lean muscle growth, so on and so forth. I think we are all tired of being blasted in the @$$ by ridiculous claims and expensive products that offer little to no results.
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Exactly! One website boasts that they have over 12,000 products for bodybuilding in their supplement store! I would rather only have a few quality products, but how do you know?
Trial and error- and these forums.
I appreciate the blood tests, but look at muscletech ads:
Photographs, studies, clinical trials, thermal imaging... I have tried some of their products, but liked them less than other brands' equivalent products (plus you're not helping mtech pay for another deceptive "6-page ad report", which tries to blend in with other articles instead of standing out and saying: look, bitch. I work. And here is a guarantee!)
 
Irish Cannon said:
Ingredients in Formadrol are shown to increase LH. My theory is that if I run Formadrol on cycle I can minimize suppression on cycle. So far I feel very good on cycle. I'm running it for another week and then I'll do PCT.

ATD metabolites falsely register as testosterone on blood panel tests. What you see as testosterone may actually just be the metabolites of ATD, so it's really not a true test of testosterone levels.
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Yeah and a curious thing about the original study used to market some products with ATD was that LH, FSH and SHBG hardly budged over the course of the study and stayed consistent with the placebo group.
 
WarMachine000 said:
Exactly! One website boasts that they have over 12,000 products for bodybuilding in their supplement store! I would rather only have a few quality products, but how do you know?
Trial and error- and these forums.
I appreciate the blood tests, but look at muscletech ads:
Photographs, studies, clinical trials, thermal imaging... I have tried some of their products, but liked them less than other brands' equivalent products (plus you're not helping mtech pay for another deceptive "6-page ad report", which tries to blend in with other articles instead of standing out and saying: look, bitch. I work. And here is a guarantee!)
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AMEN!
 
I just ordered this stuff and am going to stop taking everything, including the BS amino DAA, and run this as a stand alone. If LG is making claims of testosterone levels reaching 1300 plus, then I should see noticeable results. I have been at this for over 10 years now and I notice every single thing I put in my body; even aspirin. If this product is legit, then I will see results. If not, well, then we know it isn't.
 
theface said:
I just ordered this stuff and am going to stop taking everything, including the BS amino DAA, and run this as a stand alone. If LG is making claims of testosterone levels reaching 1300 plus, then I should see noticeable results. I have been at this for over 10 years now and I notice every single thing I put in my body; even aspirin. If this product is legit, then I will see results. If not, well, then we know it isn't.
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I look forward to the log, too- if you think about it, pm me and let me know so i can follow it. What dosage and for how many weeks are you going to do? Do you plan on copying what the guy with the posted blood results did?
 
Yeah, my log will be close to his. I will run 4 caps a day in the beginning to see how I like it. I should notice a difference, withing a few days, if the stuff is legit or not.
 
theface said:
Yeah, my log will be close to his. I will run 4 caps a day in the beginning to see how I like it. I should notice a difference, withing a few days, if the stuff is legit or not.
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Hey mate, Im like you: Been at it a long time and definitely notice changes in my body. Not young and taken to flights of fancy and hype. Im on 3rd day of this (stand alone) and only feel a short fuse really. Especially in traffic. But it is only third day :D
Oh I'm taking 2 at night 2 in AM. Im curious for your log too, as Im not the log running type. Cant really find any stand alone logs on this!
 
All I can say about the results is WOOOOOOOOOOW!:notworthy:
And I also have a question to make about this new Formadrol version to you LG guys: since I've taken Novedex XT back in March 09' my libido (and by libido I mean erctions) haven't been the same. Recently I've tried ARLI's Restore, nice results, but no improvements in the "wood department". So with this said, and since I like the feeling of eleveted mood and strength that you said it can bring from the high levels of test, I'd like to know if it could help me bringing back the wood that I used to have before using steroidal AI's? And as for agression, as I have tendency to have a short temper, will it be that increased or the "mood elevating power" is more likely than the agression one?
 
Broly said:
All I can say about the results is WOOOOOOOOOOW!:notworthy:
And I also have a question to make about this new Formadrol version to you LG guys: since I've taken Novedex XT back in March 09' my libido (and by libido I mean erctions) haven't been the same. Recently I've tried ARLI's Restore, nice results, but no improvements in the "wood department". So with this said, and since I like the feeling of eleveted mood and strength that you said it can bring from the high levels of test, I'd like to know if it could help me bringing back the wood that I used to have before using steroidal AI's? And as for agression, as I have tendency to have a short temper, will it be that increased or the "mood elevating power" is more likely than the agression one?
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How old are you? Your hormones may be wacked out. I recommend you get some blood work done and check your testosterone and estrogen.
 
LegalGear said:
I am compiling a list of IC50 values for the common AI's out there. Here is what I have so far. This is just a start and not ready for prime time yet, but it is a good start. As you can see this 7-Methoxy-flavone everyone is touting is not strong at all. It is fairly bioavailable but it is really weak...

Anything under 50 is really potent and the difference between 2 and 20nm is not noticeable.

Compound IC50
Arimidex 8-25nm
Letro 2nm
Butein 375nm
ATD 180nm
LG Secret AI 20nm
6-OXO 430nm
7-MethoxyFlavone 1900nm
3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID 3070nm
2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE 70nm
Formestane 800nm

I will continue to add to this list.

Now, that being said, why would we put the 3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID into Formadrol when the other ingredient 2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE is so potent? One main reason, everything that is not steroidal like 6-OXO, Formestane or ATD are not suicide inhibitors, which means they only temporarily deactivate the enzyme. The only one on the list that is non-steroidal yet is a suicide inhibitor is 3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID.

Maybe Resolve can help me with more on this list...
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What's this about "LG Secret AI"? What product is it in?

Speaking of bioavailability, how is it for the URS and BENZO components and is there something in FE that increases that?
 
metroba said:
How old are you? Your hormones may be wacked out. I recommend you get some blood work done and check your testosterone and estrogen.
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I'm 28. I've done a blood work back in September but only to prolactin, progesterone, 4-delta androstenedione and total testosterone, and every thing came out ok, actualy my test levels were pretty high (757,5ng/dl in a scale where the maximum level for a male adult is 800ng/dl) wich actually made me think what in the hell was wrong there. I've tried Restore as I said, between the last week of this January and the 3 weeks of February, and I haven't seen any changes in libido, if any a slight decrease, nothing big, but I sure felt some difference in the gym. So with what I've said what do you guys think?
 
There's always tadalafil. You'd think that with testosterone that high you'd be chomping at the bit.
 
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