Religious beliefs?
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BBB
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I beleive that the point of this passage is that you always follow the laws of the higher authority. There is no higher authority than GOD. Jesus was considered a rebel because when man's laws conflicted with GOD's laws he yielded to the higher authority, His Father. There are countless cases of this principle shown throughout the Bible. Daniel is an excellent example of this principle.
BBB
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It's difficult to have a open minded discussion about religion because we are all spiritual creatures and discussing spiritual issues is about a personal as it gets. However, some of the saunchest christians that I know started as atheist's and agnostic's and then one day God opened their eyes and their lives were forever changed.
DR.D
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Yeah, we could have been perfect according to the Bible! We can still be 'good' now even in the face of temptations, but discernment for truth and the discipline, desire and wisdom to apply it are required.
DR.D
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I'm good my friend! How about you? Just been busy. My wife recently had a son (5 months old now) so lots of work and planning, but still come around as much as possible.
BBB
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Some of my best friends are athiests and agnostics. I love um and keep praying for them.
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I'm good my friend! How about you? Just been busy. My wife recently had a son (5 months old now) so lots of work and planning, but still come around as much as possible.
Congratulations that is excellent news. Nothing keeps you busy like having a child.
DR.D
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omni
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I don't understand the logic of the Great Flood. God cleansed the earth, demonstrated his right to rule and then allowed us to continue to turn corrupt. Why not end it then. His point was made already. Why continue testing generations if he already Knows the outcome. If God took the population of the earth and asked "who believes in me?" Then destroyed the unbelevers, i'm sure everyone left alive would want to serve God whole heartedly. No one at that point would want to disapoint God. So why not get rid of everything corrupt, remove our temtations or the one tempting us, and put an end to pain and suffering. He had his chance to end it in the beginning, and after the flood but didn't take it. Life changes people. I use to be a kind person but life experiences have made me change. I'm not nice anymore. I feel no remorse or regret for the things i've done. Without evil in the world i would've been a different person. If god is foregiving, then whats the point in trying if he's gonna forgive me or the next guy. I do believe in God, but i always question my faith. God exists, but maybe he's not as good as we think.
DR.D
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You sound like a deep thinker, lol. I ask myself these kinds of questions all the time too!
The Bible says that God did think about pulling the plug on mankind back before the flood, but then decided to proceed with the best man He could still find, Noah. I guess God decided that any yield was better than no yield. I kinda view God as a scientist like that. In any experiment that goes off course, you don't just stop, or else you won't be able to quantitate the results in the end. You go ahead and finish it out if it's already half way done, and then you have solid unbiased data to conclude with for the next time maybe. I don't think God's new to all this. I think it probably all runs in cycles, and many civilizations have come and gone on this planet before us.
And I think He's definitely a good god. He knows that this is a messed up situation for humans, and He would be an irresponsible parent IMO to just abandon us in a mess that we were simply born into, so He offers an eternal retirement package to anyone who sucks it up and performs the jobs He asks of them. Jesus covers those bases for us, that's why I think He's a good god. Besides, He's god! Even if you don't like His plan, only a fool would take on God and think he could win, ya know?
Flaw
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Indeed.
Acts 5:29 KJV- "Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."
When man's laws interfere with god's laws we obey god even if that means imprisonment or death like in the case of jesus.
Hebrews 13:6 ASV "So that with good courage we say, The Lord is my helper; I will not fear:
What shall man do unto me?"
BBB
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God apparently wants people to serve Him by choice, he therefore gave us free will. The angles serve Him because that's what they were created to do. We on the other hand have a choice. That choice makes us either part of His family or not. His family will live with Him forever in eternity, that is His promise to us. If you are not part of God's family you will have no part in Heaven the Bible makes this abundantly clear.
Flaw
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The angels have free will as well, with only a few differences from us. They reside in heaven and we reside on earth. Their spirit creatures and we are Humans. In the end both our purposes are to serve the most high god and glorify his name. All of god's creation have been created in his image. The devils free will allowed him to desire his own worship and put it into action when he questioned god's rulership when he said to eve in the garden of eden at Gen 3:1 "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?" Other angels turned demons followed the devil by choice.
I don't think our purpose as a whole human race is to go to heaven. I hear people say this a lot. They talk about going to heaven but numerous scriptures in the bible point to us living forever on earth. What has happend is it's kind of like a tradition, a non biblical one. I think christians have to be careful that they don't just listen to everything they hear but listen to what's truly written in the bible. Let the bible speak for itself. The bible says their will be a kingdom in heaven and on earth. It was made very clear that god made the earth for us(humans) and we were ment to live here forever.
ASV- Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there is none else"
ASV- Ecc. 1:4-"One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever"
ASV- Psalms- 104:5 " Who laid the foundations of the earth,
That it should not be moved for ever."
ASV- MATT 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth
omni
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Would Eve had eaten the fruit of knowledge of good and evil if the devil didn't tempt her? What if she had also eaten from the tree of life on the way out of the garden? Why did God take Enoch and not test him until death? and Elijah? If some of the demons were imprisoned after the flood, then why weren't all of them imprisoned? If religions use the model prayer and say "let your name be santified" Why don't they use God's name? Why is he called the Lord instead? Just more questions without answers. I have a million. Here's example of God realizing he was wrong about something. Can he be wrong about more?
1 Chronicles 21:14-16 (Amplified Bible)
14So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel, and there fell of Israel 70,000 men.
15God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and He regretted and relented of the evil and said to the destroying angel, It is enough; now stay your hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16David lifted up his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and the heavens, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.
1 Chronicles 21:14-16 (Amplified Bible)
14So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel, and there fell of Israel 70,000 men.
15God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and He regretted and relented of the evil and said to the destroying angel, It is enough; now stay your hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16David lifted up his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and the heavens, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.
DR.D
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What would be the intensive? It's a cause and effect universe, so probably not. Right? If you can keep your kids from taking your car for a drive before they have a permit, then when they reach the proper stage of maturity do you still deny them? No. Eve should have held out until she had God's permission to reach for that knowledge, she reached for it too soon is the problem I think.
What?! Maybe she did grab one last bite, who knows. What's your point?
He didn't. Neither of them died, they were removed from this planet before tasting death, once their job was done. These guys were working directly with God.
I think because he can still get work out of them. Satan loves to kill and destroy, so he's still good for something when God has need of that. The ones imprisoned were exceptionally vile, so maybe they would have done more damage than it was worth to leave free?
That's the disciples prayer you reference, right? If so, it already identifies who's being spoken to earlier in the prayer. And God is God, but Lord or Lord God refers to Jesus. You'll notice the distinction right from Genesis.
Why do you say that? He doesn't state that He realized He was wrong, at least as far as I read it Those passages just point out an action He took in response to something one of his kids (man) did. Does it mean I'm wrong if I take my son's Nintendo away for making an F on his report card? Am I wrong that I ever gave it to him in the first place when he was behaving well, or am I right by reacting with corrective measures to a bad choice that he decided to make? Just sayin'.
Flaw
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I'll just answer 2 as I can get them to you off hand but the others will take time. Feel free to PM me with other questions.
Your first question is one that many people have asked or wondered. We don't know that answer. No one does. It could even be possible that eve could of ate from that tree out of her own will and not because she was tempted from him but the devil could have sparked a desire that was already in her. Just like the devil observes us today and finds our weaknesses and tries to make us fall into sin. Maybe based on how he observed eve he knew just what to say to her when he said here:
Gen 3:4"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 3:5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil"
So after the serpent/devil said that obviously that desire became manifested and she made that choice whether she was tempted or not. We make choices every day. Like with food. Should I eat that dessert or not.. "I know it's not good for me so I won't even though it's right in front of me and tempting and my friend is offering it to me". Catch my drift? That's why we must always be on guard. Aware of our weaknesses and aware of the devil's crafty acts. If you don't believe in the devil he has you right where he wants you to be and he can even appear as a friend making you think god's commandments are burdensome and then when he has your worship he will drop you like a hot potato.. believe me.. i've been there too. I've been on the other side. It's ugly.
They were strictly forbidden from that tree and it doesn't mention in the bible for how long, it's just mentions that that tree they could not eat from.
A second question
Through out history god's name "Jehovah" or the hebrew transliteration
of יהוה was used as god's name however more recent versions of the bibles have been published taking out god's name and replacing it with "LORD". It makes you wonder why they did that? We all know religion is corrupt and notice carefully what Jesus said in
MATT: 7:13 "Enter ye in by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many are they that enter in thereby. 7:14For narrow is the gate, and straitened the way, that leadeth unto life, and few are they that find it.
7:15Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 7:16By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 7:18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 7:19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 7:20Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
So the gate leading to everlasting life is narrow and jesus made it very clear not everyone claiming to be a christian will allowed to enter into his kingdom. They proved hypocrites by their works. Along with believing in christ you must do the will of God. Jesus said.. "by their fruits ye shall know them" That means you shall know whether they are good or bad. "false prophets that come to you in sheeps clothing" These could be religious leaders claiming to do the will of god but having ill intentions. Again this goes back to religious corruption. Jesus warned us about this. It's no secret. Why don't they use god's name? That's a good question.
I believe taking god's name out of the bible is all part of what jesus warned and then people just follow as they do and fail to see where it all started from. God's name isn't used in a lot of churches these days either.
I address God as Jehovah as it is written.
Psalms 83:18 "That they may know that *thou alone, whose name is Jehovah,
Art the Most High over all the earth."
Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images"
omni
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-If Eve did eat from the tree of life, she wouldn't have died, and the devil would have been correct that her eyes were open, and she would've been more like God. God let her eat from one tree but not the other. If God had taken Adam and Eve away before being tempted, like Enoch and Elijah who were born like the rest of us, all this pain and suffering wouldn't have happened.
-If God has angels to work for him then why keep demons around who were unloyal, and if the Devil was leading them, an enemy of God, why not lock him up to? He's going to put him in the abyss anyway.
-Taken from the wikipedia "Regret is a negative conscious and emotional reaction to personal past acts and behaviors. Regret is often felt when someone feels sadness, shame, embarrassment, depression, annoyance or guilt after committing an action or actions that the person later wishes that he or she had not done. Regret is distinct from guilt, which is a deeply emotional form of regret — one which may be difficult to comprehend in an objective or conceptual way. In this regard, the concept of regret is subordinate to guilt in terms of its emotional intensity. By comparison, shame typically refers to the social (rather than personal) aspect of guilt or (in minor context) regret as imposed by the society or culture (enforcement of ethics, morality), which has substantial bearing in matters of (personal and social) honor." 1Chronicles 21:15 says that god felt regret. Like God, if you killed your kids you would feel regret and not continue killing them no matter what they did. Most people wouldn't have started killing them in the first place. God didn't think about how he'd feel before sending the angel,not demon, to kill his people. Later he knew that he was wrong.
-If "the gate leading to everlasting life is narrow and jesus made it very clear not everyone claiming to be a christian will allowed to enter into his kingdom. They proved hypocrites by their works." -then most organized religion, christian churches are full of hypocrites. They don't use God's name. How can his name be sanctified if they choose not to use it?
God showed he can create, destroy and change his mind. I just think he has a mean streak.
-If God has angels to work for him then why keep demons around who were unloyal, and if the Devil was leading them, an enemy of God, why not lock him up to? He's going to put him in the abyss anyway.
-Taken from the wikipedia "Regret is a negative conscious and emotional reaction to personal past acts and behaviors. Regret is often felt when someone feels sadness, shame, embarrassment, depression, annoyance or guilt after committing an action or actions that the person later wishes that he or she had not done. Regret is distinct from guilt, which is a deeply emotional form of regret — one which may be difficult to comprehend in an objective or conceptual way. In this regard, the concept of regret is subordinate to guilt in terms of its emotional intensity. By comparison, shame typically refers to the social (rather than personal) aspect of guilt or (in minor context) regret as imposed by the society or culture (enforcement of ethics, morality), which has substantial bearing in matters of (personal and social) honor." 1Chronicles 21:15 says that god felt regret. Like God, if you killed your kids you would feel regret and not continue killing them no matter what they did. Most people wouldn't have started killing them in the first place. God didn't think about how he'd feel before sending the angel,not demon, to kill his people. Later he knew that he was wrong.
-If "the gate leading to everlasting life is narrow and jesus made it very clear not everyone claiming to be a christian will allowed to enter into his kingdom. They proved hypocrites by their works." -then most organized religion, christian churches are full of hypocrites. They don't use God's name. How can his name be sanctified if they choose not to use it?
God showed he can create, destroy and change his mind. I just think he has a mean streak.
BigNutz
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The flood was to destroy the humans whose DNA had mingled with that of the "sons of God". The fallen angels who mated with human women and produced the Nephilim . Noah and his family were the only ones left with pure blood. "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Genesis 6:1-2, "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4. The book of Enoch is the oldest book in the bible but it was left out. Why?
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I am Jewish but I can tell you as a example on Shabbot if I got shot than I am able to get in the ambulance to the ER room. There are rules to the exception. If your Doctor said medically you need Test because your levels are low than what makes it any different than blood pressure medication. Now on the other hand if your in the range and you are taking advantage of what GOD gave us you be the judge on what is moral and what is not.
kingk0ng
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I'll go ahead and throw in my religion...
Just Christian. I believe in God, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc.. I haven't been as strict as I should be with religion, but it's definitely something I've thought about being more strict with.
When I left for the Marines I stuck with church pretty frequently... a lot of people accused me of only doing so in case I died in combat, but it wasn't true. I was going to church frequently because joining the Marines was my attempt at a better person and what better way to become a better person than to invite God into your life?
I don't put down anyone else beliefs; I believe it's wrong. I also firmly believe in helping only those who wish to be helped. I will not walk up to an atheist on the street and tell him he's going to hell; that is not my decision to make. I will, however, answer questions of an atheist or Muslim or whatever their religion is if they are wanting to become a christian. I'm a forgiving person and have seen things in Afghanistan that I never want my kids to be around. My father tried warning me when he told me about Vietnam and I refused to listen.
Just Christian. I believe in God, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc.. I haven't been as strict as I should be with religion, but it's definitely something I've thought about being more strict with.
When I left for the Marines I stuck with church pretty frequently... a lot of people accused me of only doing so in case I died in combat, but it wasn't true. I was going to church frequently because joining the Marines was my attempt at a better person and what better way to become a better person than to invite God into your life?
I don't put down anyone else beliefs; I believe it's wrong. I also firmly believe in helping only those who wish to be helped. I will not walk up to an atheist on the street and tell him he's going to hell; that is not my decision to make. I will, however, answer questions of an atheist or Muslim or whatever their religion is if they are wanting to become a christian. I'm a forgiving person and have seen things in Afghanistan that I never want my kids to be around. My father tried warning me when he told me about Vietnam and I refused to listen.
BigNutz
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True! More like most of it. Scientists at a loss on how, almost instantly, an advanced culture appeared out of nowhere. These entities will have a big role to play in the end times (whenever that may be) and suppressing the book that speaks on their origins is a very effective way of doing that.
"But the angels that did not keep their proper domain, but left their abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day..." Jude 6
DR.D
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Exactly. They weren't even human. Their hybrid genome was corrupted by satan. Why? He was envious of God's plan for man. He wanted his own seed line that could antagonize the coming of the Son of Man. Jesus told the Pharisees that they where a genera of vipers, literally translates to genetic serpents. That their father was a liar and murderer from the start. That can only mean Cain, the first liar and murder in human history, and the spawn of satan with Eve. That's right, Eve got seduced/beguiled by the serpent. Whatever Eve did with satan in the garden, it made her realize she was naked and felt ashamed, hiding from God and resulting in an illegitimate hybrid offspring. God reprimanded all 3 of them for this, and said that the lineage of both seed lines would be at enmity from now on. That's why Eve and Adam got kicked out, because Cain was not Adam's seed and not how God had instructed satan to oversee us. Adam later had a 'child in HIS own image' and that was Able.
That's why I think a shill wrote the Book of Enoch. It sounds great, right up until the end when it denies that the fallen ones generated the Nephilim. I suspect about 90% of that book is accurate, I just don't know which of that other 10% are lies, so it's all unreliable to form solid conclusions on. Interesting read though, which does yield a better understanding of the big picture.
omni
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2 Peter 2:5 says, "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly." Why did God have Noah preach to the people he knew he was going to destroy. If they were Satan's seed, then whats the point?
BigNutz
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Never thought of it like that. If you ever read the apocryphal book of Adam and Eve, it states that the serpent was the most beautiful of all the creatures God made, that all the other animals were dumbfounded by its beauty. But after the fall, God turned it into a snake, but still allowed it to speak. It tried to kill Adam again, so God took its speech as well. I never thought Eve and the serpent might have "done it", LOL, and that could have been the forbidden knowledge.
If what you pruport is the case, who are Cain's descendants today?
DR.D
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Because God's a hard master who harvests where He doesn't sow and gathers where He doesn't scatter. He's also an incredibly gracious master, who's not willing that any should perish. He'll save kids that aren't his. Anybody can be saved by adoption, but they must go through Christ who God appointed specifically and formally to our defense/salvation.
It's a sweet deal, especially for 'serpents' that wanna jump ship and switch teams in the end. Who knows, we may all be contaminated at this point, as in the days of Noah so shall it be. Jesus told the angels not to separate the tares from the wheat until the end, so salvation is still available to any anybody of any origin if they stop their evil ways and begin to serve God now. But 1 day in the future will be the last day, and all hope abandon any man caught on the wrong side of that choice, who knew better and failed to repent.
Unless you know when that final day is, I wouldn't waste anymore time defecting to the winning team!
DR.D
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I've read both of those books, and found them very interesting also! How Adam kept committing suicide because Eve was such a "blonde" (lol) and thus the blood sacrifice was instituted. It's also notable how God would make Adam look at satan from time to time when Adam would get tricked by him, at how grotesque satan's true form was, and Adam never wanted to look it was so hideous. The Bible eludes to this in places as well, how pathetic satan truly is, who brings low the nations! If we only knew the truth, we would not be scared of satan, just grossed out.
They are of Hamitic origin that carry on Cain's line/agenda. Ham found Cain's Pillars of Knowledge after the flood, after his dad kicked him to the curb for gaining forbidden "knowledge" of his wife one night when Noah was drunk. Only Canaan was cursed though, so maybe he was the foreseen product of that union? Anyway, Canaan was quite prolific and all his tribes later had to be cleansed from the region. Joshua failed to eradicate at least one or two of these tribes though, and let them live as slaves instead. The Bible says that the Nephilim walked the earth in those days, and in the days after too. That's why, they were never fully scrubbed from the genome.
BigNutz
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This is off topic but I wanted to share it. One of the main issues I always had was if God is love and all powerful why would he allow children to suffer, when I see cripple children it makes me sick, and my first instinct was to blame God, etc.
What I came to understand, I would say God told me, as I just instantly knew, is that these peoples rewards will be SO great in heaven that if you could choose before you were born to be that way and suffer that way, because you knew what your eternal reward would be, everyone would choose to be born that way! How awesome is that.
What I came to understand, I would say God told me, as I just instantly knew, is that these peoples rewards will be SO great in heaven that if you could choose before you were born to be that way and suffer that way, because you knew what your eternal reward would be, everyone would choose to be born that way! How awesome is that.
DR.D
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Yeah, my wife says the same thing.
She thinks we choose our assignment before we are even born. She read a book called 'Embraced by the Light' that solidified that theory in her understanding. Who know man, but there is a reason for everything that happens, for sure.
omni
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The only choice for life is through God. I loved my father and would've died for him, even though i knew his faults. I feel the same about God and don't think you have to be blind or brainwashed to serve God. People can reason how they want and ignore the truth.
The OT was a diferent time but it showed his views and personality, if not he would've changed things. God had rape laws in place. Its plane black and white. He was in favor of rape, as long as his laws were followed. Sorry, no women would want you willingly after you destroyed her family. Deau.21:10-14, Zech. 14:1,2 Judges 21:10-24. Alot of things we would call evil today, God has done in the past. We view slavery as bad, but God approved and had rules about that also.
Jesus didn't come here to promote peace,Matthew 10:34-36, Luke 12:49-53.
First we were given free will that we weren't really suppose to use. There were two trees to tempt humans in the beginning and it wasn't enough so, God allowed us to be tempted even more(because the trees weren't enough)with the devil. The whole theme of the bible is Gods right to rule. Since God is the most high and the creator he's already won.
Most people would save kids that aren't theirs, the diference is that most people wouldn't decide to start killing them in the first place, unlike God. People get happy and say a baby is with God when it dies, while a child with birth defects lives and we're happy about them getting a wonderful reward. The truth is that they get the same reward as the rest of us, they just suffer more.
Free will is a joke. With temptation we all fail at something. If jesus didn't know he was the son of God would he have been faithful?
DR.D
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So what are you saying exactly, that God is chickensh!t?
EESCHMan
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inarguably (the stats don't lie), the VAST majority of killings (unjustified i might add) in the LAST CENTURY were done by OFFICIALLY ATHEIST (note: not merely secular, but officially atheist) governments
atheists (and in the greatest #'s, communist atheists) have killed far far far more people in this century than theists.
period.
even including islamofascists.
stalin, mao, pol pot, etc.
need i go on
religion doesn't cause intolerance. people are naturally intolerant. we don't need help with that.
but the reality is, that in RECENT (ie last 100 years) history, it has been demonstrably proven that official atheism (and of course "strong" atheism is as much a religion as theism, since it requires a leap of faith and a determination about the undetermined) is more dangerous than theism, or secularism.
so much for the "civil" conversation...
the quote above (bold) is the dumbest thing religious people ever use as an argument.
Really? it takes a leap of faith to NOT believe in something?? Really??
was trying to not get involved in this, but sometimes things just bug you enough
EESCHMan
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ugh...
It's not up to the atheist to prove something doesn't exist.
It is up to you to prove that something DOES exist.
Can you prove there aren't any unicorns?
I don't think you can prove that Brahma, Thor, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist?
I won't even go into the "more evidence...there's a intelligent creator" statement.
"Plus... who else is giving us the hope of eternal life?"
so this is one of your criteria for believing?
Bionic
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Invalid Link Removed. The bit about the Mark Of the Beast is fascinating. Stay away from Nephilim-abol, NGF-1 (Nephilim Growth factor-1) or Nephilim Xtreme if you want to be saved!
DerickVonD
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Hindu, although I still have not read all the Vedas, then again there are many Christians that have not read all of the Bible.
BigNutz
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God is omnipotent, yes, but he cant go against rules he has set. Thats a limitation of God. He also gives everyone second, third and fourth chances (and more). That is why, I believe, he doesnt just wipe the slate clean and start over. He wants as many as he can get to be with him. He will hold out for you till the very last second. I would never love or forgive someone who had done something heinous to a child, say rape and murder, I would be looking to kill that person. God will forgive them if they come to him. Death may be their punishment for their crime, but if they truly repent, God will save them. Thats how great he is. No way I would do that. I would kill them and sleep like a baby afterwards. Thats where humans and God differ (one of the countless ways). He loves everyone, and wants everyone to be with him. God IS love.
Look at the amazing variety of life just here on earth (plant and animal), plus the angels in heaven and who knows what else. The fact that God likes variety says alot to me about who he is. Hes not looking for robots singing his praises non-stop, he wants people to be with him in heaven. He wants to give you every good thing your heart desires. He will even do that for you here on earth if you will let him.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. Not only gave his son, but he himself felt the pain of being a man, and dying. He knows what your going through, hes been there.
Look at the amazing variety of life just here on earth (plant and animal), plus the angels in heaven and who knows what else. The fact that God likes variety says alot to me about who he is. Hes not looking for robots singing his praises non-stop, he wants people to be with him in heaven. He wants to give you every good thing your heart desires. He will even do that for you here on earth if you will let him.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. Not only gave his son, but he himself felt the pain of being a man, and dying. He knows what your going through, hes been there.
EESCHMan
Member
Really? Isn't that what church is?
Isn't that what you're doing in this thread?
So everyone in Haiti that was crushed to death was given everything their heart desires?
Don't even bother with the "he has higher plans for them" or the "he works in mysterious ways" nonsense.
djrodimus
New member
hey guys, new to the forum and first time poster. i just wanna say i think this thread is awesome and i personally am one of those crazy Christians. I love the Lord above all else and strive to serve him each day and grow closer to him too. (i fail a lot though)
as to the question about juicing (drugs etc)...
i've done about every single illict drug known to man cept roids and never plan to. i don't believe simply taking a drug is a sin but what that drug causes you to do or the lifestyle it causes you to live can be sinful. and the Bible is pretty clear about breaking the law so right now (at least in the country) its pretty much a sin...however if the laws changed so could that i guess.
this May im drug clean 5 years and alcohol clean about 3. i have a different view them most Christians about drugs though... I think ALL chemical substances should be legal. I don't think the goverment should be locking people up for putting things in thier own bodies. And simply making a substance illegal doesn't really stop those who want to use from using... however... I DON'T SUPPORT or ENCOURAGE any kind of drug use. I think if properly educated (even if legal) most people would stay away from drugs and those who want to use would be using anyway.
as for bodybuilding i've gone in 3 years from (6ft 1in) 155 lbs to 200 lbs with nothing but creatine and whey protein and eating like a freaking horse. 2-4 gym nights a week with heavy lifting and i've seen huge increases. i don't think its necessary to juice espeically with all the new supplements that are coming out now...
thats ma 2 cents.
as to the question about juicing (drugs etc)...
i've done about every single illict drug known to man cept roids and never plan to. i don't believe simply taking a drug is a sin but what that drug causes you to do or the lifestyle it causes you to live can be sinful. and the Bible is pretty clear about breaking the law so right now (at least in the country) its pretty much a sin...however if the laws changed so could that i guess.
this May im drug clean 5 years and alcohol clean about 3. i have a different view them most Christians about drugs though... I think ALL chemical substances should be legal. I don't think the goverment should be locking people up for putting things in thier own bodies. And simply making a substance illegal doesn't really stop those who want to use from using... however... I DON'T SUPPORT or ENCOURAGE any kind of drug use. I think if properly educated (even if legal) most people would stay away from drugs and those who want to use would be using anyway.
as for bodybuilding i've gone in 3 years from (6ft 1in) 155 lbs to 200 lbs with nothing but creatine and whey protein and eating like a freaking horse. 2-4 gym nights a week with heavy lifting and i've seen huge increases. i don't think its necessary to juice espeically with all the new supplements that are coming out now...
thats ma 2 cents.
omni
Active member
I'm not sure why you think I insinuated that. I think people are the chickens because they don't want to accept all of Gods qualities, just the good ones. I only stated facts that are in the bible, but skipped over. Anyone bother looking those scriptures up? If a persons faith is strong then test it. I imagine most people don't know God at all and just listen to what the preacher says on Sunday. I call myself a christian but not to gain a reward at the end of my life. I learned the diference between right and wrong from the bible as a child. Its the same knowledge and ability to think for myself that i can see God allowing rape and slavery among his people as wrong. I apologize if I offended you. That wasn't my intent. I was just posting facts.
BTW. If I were to call God a chicken I would've used these scriptures in this order...Psalm 91:4 and Matthew 23:37
DR.D
Well-known member
No, I'm not offended at all. God can fight His own battles. I was just asking you to clarify. Thanks for answering!
fit guy
New member
I'm a former Pastor, Bro! I AM a Christian! There are NO "moral" decisions in juicing. However, The Bible does tell us to "abide by the laws of the land." we have to get this "stuff" illegally. But, if you want to get technical, every time you turn without a blinker, speed, etc, you are breaking the laws of the land.
what about the smoker, then? or, the person who has to depend of prescription drugs to deal with life? breast implants? are they making a "moral" decison? if so, the church is full of them... trust me!~
what about the smoker, then? or, the person who has to depend of prescription drugs to deal with life? breast implants? are they making a "moral" decison? if so, the church is full of them... trust me!~
djrodimus
New member
agreed on all of that. just one thing I wanna point out...just becuase the Church or a lot of Christian do something doesn't make it ok (-:
As Christian's we are called to a higher standard and to encourage others in that way (not to judge which I have a hard time doing sometimes).
There were three big reasons I quit doing drugs and drinking and I'm not sure if they are in any particular order but here goes...
1.) Because my body was absolutley destroyed. At one point I was down to like 135 lbs (6ft1) and only eating once a day and not sleeping much.
2.) I wanted to re-dedicate my life to God and really start following what I knew was right and work on my relationship with him and I soon relazied I couldn't do that high or tripping.
3.) I wanted to be a GOOD EXAMPLE to others espcially when I started telling people that I was a Christian again there's just no way to do that while using.
#3 would be the biggest thing stopping me from ever jucing. (now im not judging anyone out there who claims to be Christian and does) but for me personally I feel that I've screwed up more in the first 20+ years of my life then most people do in 50 years and I want to go the extra mile to do what I know / feel to be right.
B5150
Legend
I think, therefore I am; created in the image of God.
Our bodies are simply temporary temples of the Holy Spirit.
DerickVonD
Well-known member
I see few people treat their body like a temple.