Novadex XT or Formestane transdermal
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edwitt
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it will dry ur joints out too, chuck it in the garbage
liquid
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Actually low dosed ATD is quite useful.
PublicEnemy
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I've run transdermal form by itself and I loved it. Libido went up noticeable as did mood and focus. I'd go with the form, but I've also never tried ATD or ran a cycle.
For AI's, I've tried 6-oxo, Form, and am currently finishing off my bottle of 6-Bromo.
Of the three Form is by far my favorite. 6-Bromo seems to make me moody and the aggression that comes with it has a very self-destructive, about to snap over nothing feeling to it.
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True. But I'd like to add that side effects, like dry joints, are dose dependent. Too much of any aromatase inhibitor will have that effect.
For AI's, I've tried 6-oxo, Form, and am currently finishing off my bottle of 6-Bromo.
Of the three Form is by far my favorite. 6-Bromo seems to make me moody and the aggression that comes with it has a very self-destructive, about to snap over nothing feeling to it.
EDIT:
True. But I'd like to add that side effects, like dry joints, are dose dependent. Too much of any aromatase inhibitor will have that effect.
BurghHardcore
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Formestane is also steroidal is it not? I've always heard that Form is best used as an on-cycle AI to combat any estrogen related sides. I've seen plenty of recommendations for that, and to use another AI for your PCT. Anyone care to shed a little light on this?
As for the estrogen rebound...IMO, you really reduce your chances of that with a "taper down" method towards the end of your Form. cycle (or any AI for that matter). This allows for a slow and steady way for your estrogen levels to come back to normal. Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on that?
As for the estrogen rebound...IMO, you really reduce your chances of that with a "taper down" method towards the end of your Form. cycle (or any AI for that matter). This allows for a slow and steady way for your estrogen levels to come back to normal. Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on that?
Augustus
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Novadex XT is not just ATD, but is two different AI's from what I understand. I've also read that Formestane will shutdown libido more because it actually inhibits DHT, and this is a major contibutor to gyno.
Imeniaan
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is this person right? does formestane shut down your libido?
RoadBlocK
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Didnt shut down mine.
To the op,although Im not a fan of td stuff in general, def. rec. ANY formestane over novadex xt, also theres a new liq. form that just came out.
thebigt
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hell no!:trout:
R1balla
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they trick ppl who dont know alot about supplements and stuff by calling it nova when the real stuff is NOLVA. pisses me off and i know alot of others it does the same to. and if u use novadex xt as your only pct, your screwed. im just trying to help you out. if u already have nova, i would take it during the cycle to block estrogen but thats about all it will do for you. (at least for me thats all it did). if u want a legal PCT, go for sustain alpha for libido + cycle assist or PCT assist + TestoPRO plus an estrogen blocker other than novadex if u dont have it already.
Augustus
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What I'm saying is Formestane actually inhibits DHT, and this could be bad, because as soon as you stop using the Formestane, estrogen will rise because there's no DHT to antagonize increasing estrogen levels.
Has anybody had any issues with estrogen rebound post cycle or after PCT using Formestane
Has anybody had any issues with estrogen rebound post cycle or after PCT using Formestane
Augustus
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celc5
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In my experience, formestane is very potent run solo and ON cycle. It wasn't as potent for libido, aggression, or leaning in pct in my experience.
Yes, but so are all the other AI's mentioned in this thread. Steroidal means that the AI binds permanently to aromatase.
No. Formestane is the best libido booster available. It is also a bedroom performance enhancer.
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Augustus,
You are correct at form's dht controlling properties. That's another thing that makes it a good ON cycle choice to prevent increased shedding, acne, etc.
At the same time, my opinion is that rebound occurs because of the compound used (ahem Superdrol 99% of the time), not because of the AI. Lots of people run proper pct after SD and end up with delayed gyno down the road. It's tough to blame the serm and AI (whichever is chosen) after running such an erratic compound. I also suspect that may be true of tren compounds, although i don't plan on ever experiencing that myself.
Augustus
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Hey celc5, when using the Formestane on cycle did you taper off, or just stop when the cycle was over? If you did taper off what dosage did you use and for how long post cycle?
I'd rather not use it too far into my pct, just more as a bridge into pct.
thebigt
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i think both celc and i will agree that tapering off is way to go. how you taper off would depend on how you are dosing.
celc5
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If you're bridging into pct, then you probably should taper. Of course, you'd have another low dosed AI posed to step in at that point. Mid pct is not the time to cut out AI's all of the sudden.
Another side note, it's my personal opinion that an AI shouldn't be run ON cycle unless necessary. One reason would be that you have a gyno history in which case you are running the low dose AI in a preventive manner. Or the other reason would be that an estrogen or prolactin sensitivity started to pop up on cycle in which case I'd run it aggressively to relieve the problem asap. Otherwise, no need to put the extra stress on the body IMO.
Another side note, it's my personal opinion that an AI shouldn't be run ON cycle unless necessary. One reason would be that you have a gyno history in which case you are running the low dose AI in a preventive manner. Or the other reason would be that an estrogen or prolactin sensitivity started to pop up on cycle in which case I'd run it aggressively to relieve the problem asap. Otherwise, no need to put the extra stress on the body IMO.
thebigt
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wow- a rare appearance form td.:439::cheers:
liquid
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Never said it was just ATD.
I kept saying ATD because it is known that in certain doses, it can kill libido.
Augustus
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I'm just using it during a 6 week cycle of 1-T. So, that's what I'm asking what dosage would be a good precautionary dose and what would be the best way to taper off and bridge into pct.
Augustus
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I'm just using it during a 6 week cycle of 1-T. So, that's what I'm asking what dosage would be a good precautionary dose and what would be the best way to taper off and bridge into pct. I do have a small lump in behind my left nipple, so this is why I'm wanting to run it during my cycle.
celc5
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Run it as low as possible to get the lump down. I find that 1 squirt 3 times per day works on mild cycles for me.
Another reason to keep it as low as necessary is because you're probably gonna run an ai in pct... could get real messy on lipids with 6 week ON plus 4-6 weeks pct with ai's in the picture.
Another reason to keep it as low as necessary is because you're probably gonna run an ai in pct... could get real messy on lipids with 6 week ON plus 4-6 weeks pct with ai's in the picture.
thebigt
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what do you consider low doses? i am going to start out at 1ml 3xday with the formestane lv.
Augustus
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Thanks. The only bad part is havin to shower three times a day before applying it.
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celc5
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I don't think it's terrible, but all AI's affect lipids. Then when you add that to steroid affect on lipids, it's just extra stress is my point.
bobloblaw
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a op im on my 3rd day of running pp's 1T as well and also plan on running pp's formestane LV low dose into pct starting week 2-3.
during cycle ill be running it to start at 3ml=60mg into about week 2 of my pct then down a 2ml=40mg then switch in week 3-4 to some ATD for a few weeks and i should be golden.
during cycle ill be running it to start at 3ml=60mg into about week 2 of my pct then down a 2ml=40mg then switch in week 3-4 to some ATD for a few weeks and i should be golden.
bmw71285
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I have an annoying case of gyno in my right nipple that keeps flaring up from time to time. I have used nolva on a couple different occasions to get rid of it and it would work. But after being off the nolva it would start flaring up again a few weeks later. I used it a couple different ways, tapering off each time. I've done a 40,40,20,20 and a 40,30,20,10 and I still get the flare up. I got a bottle of cel's topical formestane to see what it does. Anyone have any recomendations? I was going to just follow their protocol they outline for using it as a stand alone. They recommend 200mg over 2 squirts a day for 3 weeks, followed by 100mg for the final week. If it works, I was thinking even to continue using it at a low dose of 100mg for a couple more weeks to try and prevent a rebound. Not sure if that would be suppressive?
celc5
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If you take a close look at the previous posts in this thread, several of us who eliminated symptoms with an AI (including form for myself) ended up having gyno creep back up afterward.
I recommend dosing the form as low as necessary to get the symptoms down. I personally respond really well to even low doses of form so I like 1 pump 3 times per day. I notice a difference in 2 days and it's gone in like 4-5 days IME.
What would be cool is if you could get the lump down in like 3-4 weeks of form and have sort of a bridge in a low dose of nolva afterward (speak up here fellas) but I'm thinking like 10-20mg for about 4-6 weeks. That's just me thinking out loud, and it's quite possible that there really is no solution to our problem.
I recommend dosing the form as low as necessary to get the symptoms down. I personally respond really well to even low doses of form so I like 1 pump 3 times per day. I notice a difference in 2 days and it's gone in like 4-5 days IME.
What would be cool is if you could get the lump down in like 3-4 weeks of form and have sort of a bridge in a low dose of nolva afterward (speak up here fellas) but I'm thinking like 10-20mg for about 4-6 weeks. That's just me thinking out loud, and it's quite possible that there really is no solution to our problem.
thebigt
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nolva after form or even one of the 7,8 benzo non steriodal ai's if not wanting to go the research chem route.
nunes
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I still don't understand how atd is still one of the most used ai`s, theres a lot of better options and form is one of them.
I never tried the transdermal but I always saw good comments on the libido issue, in my particular case I tried formex and that stuff made my wife always very happy on my cycles
I never tried the transdermal but I always saw good comments on the libido issue, in my particular case I tried formex and that stuff made my wife always very happy on my cycles
thebigt
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try the td form-you will be glad you did.:439:
celc5
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You're overthinking the suppression possibility. My opinion is that there will be no suppression issues with a 4 week run... and to top it off, you might even need lower doses than you expect to achieve your goal of getting the lump down.
WORKOUT COACH
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Not a fan of either! A former client of mine, a world leading researcher in breast cancer and fertility, has worked with all the anti estrogens. He was shocked that these were being sold over the counter, but even more shocked at the dosages recommended. When nolvadex first came out I showed him the bottle and he recommended 1 cap not the 4 as suggested. I was an idiot and went with 4. Didnt take long for me to start losing strength, sore joints, loss of libido, etc. These AI have no place in our supplement stacks as far as im concerned! But good luck and keep us updated.
narraboth
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I agree. I think guys got novadex already should try 1 cap first and see how things going. I have heard people who just do 2 caps 'can never have enough sex'.
wait... I am looking at the bottle, it says '2 caps before bed time.... don't exceed 4... ' the recommand dosage is 2, not 4?
Form has low bioavaliblity when took orally, might be the reason why it's better on libido aspect.
just my guess.
thebigt
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einstein was a big fan of formestane-he was using it when he came up with theory of relativity.:shhh:
celc5
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It's cool that you understand your mistake. However, it's illogical to say "I used supplement incorrectly" and then follow with "it has no place in supplementation" LOL Are you kidding me? :laugh2:
Also, formestane, trione, and 6bromo are nothing like Novedex. It's illogical to lump all AI's into one basket. The reason I mention this is because you say "AI's have no place in supplementation" and there's other otc AI options. The same is true of the typical RC AIs, all have different methods of action and different effects.
WORKOUT COACH
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I never used the supplement "incorrectly"! The bottle of Novedex Xt Im holding in my hands has an expiry date of 6/7 lot # 82070 and it says "take 2 to 4 capsules at night.' This supplement screwed me up, and alot of others I know personally. I had had to work closely with my reasearch client to get myself normalized. Want an AI? Use a real one like Femara! Got gyno? CUT IT OUT and stop playing silly games!
thebigt
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there isn't a drug or supplement on the market that hasn't been shown to effect certain people negatively. for every person who has had bad sides on novedex xt i can show a hundred who have had bad experiences with prescription serms and ai's. my wife is allergic to penicillin-does that mean it is a bad drug?
celc5
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Wow, you sound really bitter towards Novedex for not doing your research for you :kiss: Ha Ha NO ONE takes 4 caps of Novedex anymore LOL
Also, I'd be hesitant to suggest a non steroidal ai. If not used properly, it's likely to exacerbate symptoms upon cessation. Oh wait, it doesn't say that on the bottle so you'll get mad at Femara too
WORKOUT COACH
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No one should take this period! If you require a AI then take a REAL one! Femara isnt without problems, especially the way I see most people taking it.
If your Novedex or whatever is working for you keep taking it then
