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best nutrient re-partitioner

vanadyl sulfate is definitely well researched and i like it and chromium polynicotinate.Chromium polynicotinate is much more bioavailable than regular chromium picolinate.I don't think ne1 mentioned chromium so I figured i would and n my opinion vanadyl sulfate and chromium r 2 cheap 2 pass up especially on a bulking cycle.There is also cinnamon bark extract.I have read that regular vinegar is useful as the acetic acid it contains promotes muscle glycogen synthesis.it is also super cheap,I take 3 tbsp with hi carb meals.I think insulin mimmickers r often overlooked bcuz they don't have outrageous results or advertisement claims the way most supps do.But insulin is by far the most anabolic of all hormones and i think we should be focusing alot on trying to use lots of effective insulin like supps with every meal.I might even get a glucometer and start running some tests myself to really gauge the effectiveness of these supps.
 
andrewT said:
For you guys that use these products.

How often do you use them? do you cycle them quite often or just a once in a while thing?

that genomyx stuff has a nice price tag to it!
I cannot find this "need2slin"
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Yes I think it important to cycle most supplements. Depending on what supplement that is may determine in what length of time.

Thanks. Nutraplanet is selling Slin-Sane for an awesome price. I’m sure Protocol will be a bargain as well.
 
matthias7 said:
Recreate isn't bad at all. I did not complete the cycle largely because I was getting excessive blood pressure from a mixture of fat-burners and formestane. Normally 65/120 was 88/140 (?) if I remember.

Personally I prefer 2 x 25 mins cardio 3 times a week. I was told the excess cortisol will hammer my (modest) gains. I think 25 x 2 per week is better.

Cardio + Recreate would potent... but you risk catabolic (muscle) response.

Currently in detox.
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detox with USPlabs Refresh?
 
pressmaster said:
vanadyl sulfate is definitely well researched and i like it..
vanadyl sulfate and chromium r 2 cheap 2 pass up especially on a bulking cycle.
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cheaper..doesn't equate to better.
(in fact, it most often is not)

vanadyl sulfate has been well-researched?? :think:
ummm, yeah, it has.
you must have missed this on the first page; seeing as how you're new, I'll repost this for your benefit:

Dr. Alavattam Sreedhara, a professor at Ohio State University, has been studying vanadyl sulfate for many years. He and his partners have found that long-term use or the use of vanadium in large doses kills beta cells, damages DNA, blocks the synthesis of protein and other nutrients, and increases the risk of cardiovascular disease. Even taking trace amounts of the mineral causes stomach upset and a green tongue, both of which are symptoms of a toxic substance in the body. In addition, vanadyl sulfate builds up rapidly in the bones and kidneys, and no studies as to the long-term toxic effect of this have been done.
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imprezivr6 said:
So do you just take one, 15min before your post workout carbs? Or at the same time?
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I have a bottle in my gym bag, and I usually knock one back when I am getting dressed. This gives you about 20 minutes to knock back your postworkout shake.
 
dsade said:
I have a bottle in my gym bag, and I usually knock one back when I am getting dressed. This gives you about 20 minutes to knock back your postworkout shake.
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I have never had a repartitioner that did anything for me, but i may try this, since it is cheap..
 
snagency said:
not trying to impose the product upon this thread, but there is really good info on your question, found in the Anabolic Pump sticky guide..
check it out, you'll be enlightened with the concept.

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USPlabs put out a top quality product. I have seen many people that use Glycobol and just as many use AP. Some people use both.
 
pembroke3355 said:
USPlabs put out a top quality product. I have seen many people that use Glycobol and just as many use AP. Some people use both.
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Glycobol is a good product. I'm also looking forward to trying an advance bottle of Recompadrol.
 
ppreciate the info snagency ,i will def research this more and maybe i wil stop taking vanadyl all 2gether thats pretty scary stuff so we will c
 
pembroke3355 said:
USPlabs put out a top quality product. I have seen many people that use Glycobol and just as many use AP. Some people use both.
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Good post!
 
zb126 said:
lol


yeah, I'm a believer when it comes to glycobol but I need to try AP, too, to form my opinion on it. From all the good input I'm actually pretty excited to give it a shot!
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I am an absolute advocate of glycobol, but a buddy of mine just sent me a buttload of AP samples.....so i'll take them when my glyco is gone.
 
That Anabolic Pump actually looks pretty good. I might have to check it out. I got a bottle of Glycobol on it's way already and will stack that with my TT-33 and LX.
 
Some great suggestions! I've been using Anabolic Pump for over a year now off and on, and was keeping an eye out for a new product. Glycobol has had my eye, SlinSane sounds promising, and I'd love to see what you think of Recompadrol when you try it out DSade! I have friends that swear by NeoVar (they are definitely AppNuts :P ).

AP used to give me a strong and clear hypoglycemic feeling (15-30min pre-meal, as long as I could stand it). Now it makes me hungry. No... not hungry. It's more like I am compelled to eat. I've never tried not getting enough carbs after dosing and have my sweet spot perfected (however, I love it for fasted cardio), but I have a feeling I would stay hungry/compelled until I did.

I still feel a slight pump/fullness, but nothing like in the beginning. I don't really chase that anyways. P-Slin + 100 carb preworkout meal is fun though, you gotta admit!
 
snagency said:
cheaper..doesn't equate to better.
(in fact, it most often is not)

vanadyl sulfate has been well-researched?? :think:
ummm, yeah, it has.
you must have missed this on the first page; seeing as how you're new, I'll repost this for your benefit:
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Just want to say in reference to your post most of those doses were upward of 300mg which is much more then usually taken

In NIDDM 50-150 mg were used safely for up to 6 weeks with hgh clearance rate.

However it is important to not that the build up happens. But it is important like anything else to take time off every 4-8 weeks

After usage for 6 weeks it was shown to exert it effcts for an additional 2 weeks and diminsh there after.

So a break of 2 weeks to wash out would be warrented

Vanadyl Sulfate is definetly effective but like anything else caution is needed.
 
crazyfool405 said:
Just want to say in reference to your post most of those doses were upward of 300mg which is much more then usually taken
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300mg??? where'd you get that figure at? incorrect.
In NIDDM 50-150 mg were used safely for up to 6 weeks with hgh clearance rate.
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#1 - I take issue with your statement there to begin with (I saw the study you refer to, don't come to the same conclusion).
#2 - what does Non Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus have to do with the bodybuilding world? :think:

some other sourced info for you, just doing a general search:

It turns out that the majority of companies that are including this substance in their formulations, are doing so, WITHOUT ANY REGUARDS TO TOXICITY.

Taking .5 to 1 mg a day of vanadyl sulfate is enough to meet or exceed nutritional requirements, without risking toxicity. Most of the bodybuilding supplements contain a minimum of 5 mg.... and up to 30 mg!!!!

"High doses of vanadium (anything over 15 mg/day) may cause liver and/or kidney damage."

Adult

Taking 0.5 to 1.0 mg/day of vanadium is enough to meet or exceed nutritional requirements, without risking toxicity. No more than 1.8 mg/day should be used in people. Some manufacturers promote high dosages (15 to 100 mg) of vanadyl sulfate per day, but studies do not support such dosages, and they may be toxic. Because the safety and effectiveness of vanadium have not been thoroughly studied, caution should be exercised when using vanadium as a nutritional supplement.

Uses

The effects of vanadium have not been studied extensively in people. The majority of studies to date have been conducted in laboratory animals.

Body Building/Performance Enhancement

While vanadyl sulfate is widely used by athletes to enhance performance, beneficial effects have not been confirmed by studies. Use of vanadium is not advised because of the potential toxic effects associated with high doses of this mineral.
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Material Safety Data Sheet


MSDS Name: Vanadyl Sulfate

Synonyms: Vanadium, Oxo[sulfato(2-)-O]-; Vanadium, Oxosulfato-; Vanadium Oxide Sulfate; Vanadium Oxylsulfate; Oxo(sulfato)


EMERGENCY OVERVIEW

Warning! Causes eye and skin irritation. Causes digestive and respiratory tract irritation. May cause liver and kidney damage.
Target Organs: Kidneys, liver, respiratory system, eyes, skin.

Ingestion: May cause severe gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting and possible burns. May cause liver and kidney damage. May cause central nervous system effects and/or neurological effects. May cause greenish-black tongue discoloration due to deposition of vanadium salts. Ingestion of large amounts may cause an increase in blood pressure.


Eye: May cause eye irritation and possible damage.


Skin: Contact with skin causes irritation and possible burns, especially if the skin is wet or moist. Contact with the skin may cause skin lesions which are characterized by cracking of the skin and the development of slow-healing ulcers.

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I really find it interesting that there are about six NO products on bb.com that contain vanadyl sulfate.... too bad it has been shown to induce pulmonary vasoconstriction, as a result of NO inhibition.


Environ Health Perspect. 2004 Feb;112(2):201-6.

Vanadyl sulfate inhibits NO production via threonine phosphorylation of eNOS.

Exposure to excessive vanadium occurs in some occupations and with consumption of some dietary regimens for weight reduction and body building. Because vanadium is vasoactive, individuals exposed to excessive vanadium may develop adverse vascular effects. We have previously shown that vanadyl sulfate causes acute pulmonary vasoconstriction, which could be attributed in part to inhibition of nitric oxide production. In the present study we investigated whether NO inhibition was related to phosphorylation of endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS). VOSO4 produced dose-dependent constriction of pulmonary arteries in isolated perfused lungs and pulmonary arterial rings and a right shift of the acetylcholine-dependent vasorelaxation curve. VOSO4 inhibited constitutive as well as A23187-stimulated NO production. Constitutive NO inhibition was accompanied by increased Thr495 (threonine at codon 495) phosphorylation of eNOS, which would inhibit eNOS activity. Thr495 phosphorylation of eNOS and inhibition of NO were partially reversed by pretreatment with calphostin C, a protein kinase C (PKC) inhibitor. There were no changes in Ser1177 (serine at codon 1177) or tyrosine phosphorylation of eNOS. These results indicate that VOSO4 induced acute pulmonary vasoconstriction that was mediated in part by the inhibition of endothelial NO production via PKC-dependent phosphorylation of Thr495 of eNOS. Exposure to excessive vanadium may contribute to pulmonary vascular diseases.



Here is more incriminating evidence....



J Inorg Biochem. 1994 Aug 1;55(2):101-12. Links

One-electron reduction of vanadate by ascorbate and related free radical generation at physiological pH.

The one-electron reduction of vanadate (vanadium(V)) by ascorbate and related free radical generation at physiological pH was investigated by ESR and ESR spin trapping. The spin trap used was 5,5-dimethyl-1-pyrroline N-oxide (DMPO). Incubation of vanadium(V) with ascorbate generated significant amounts of vanadium(IV) in phosphate buffer (pH 7.4) but not in sodium cacodylate buffer (pH 7.4) nor in water. The vanadium(IV) yield increased with increasing ascorbate concentration, reaching a maximum at a vanadium(V): ascorbate ratio of 2:1. Addition of formate to the incubation mixture containing vanadium(V), ascorbate, and phosphate generated carboxylate radical (.COO-), indicating the formation of reactive species in the vanadium(V) reduction mechanism. In the presence of H2O2 a mixture of vanadium(V), ascorbate, and phosphate buffer generated hydroxyl radical (.OH) via a Fenton-like reaction (vanadium(IV)+H2O2-->vanadium(V)+.OH+OH-). The .OH yield was favored at relatively low ascorbate concentrations. Omission of phosphate sharply reduced the .OH yield. The vanadium(IV) generated by ascorbate reduction of vanadium(V) in the presence of phosphate was also capable of generating lipid hydroperoxide-derived free radicals from cumene hydroperoxide, a model lipid hydroperoxide. Because of the ubiquitous presence of ascorbate in cellular system at relatively high concentrations, one-electron reduction of vanadium(V) by ascorbate together with phosphate may represent an important vanadium(V) reduction pathway in vivo. The resulting reactive species generated by vanadium(IV) from H2O2 and lipid hydroperoxide via a Fenton-like reaction may play a significant role in the mechanism of vanadium(V)-induced cellular injury.



Oxy-vanadium (IV) complexes having spermicidal activity
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Vanadium promotes hydroxyl radical formation by activated human neutrophils
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and I could go on..

bottom line, VS on its own shows no merit in building muscle. period.
on the other hand, it shows great possibility for detrimental effects.
 
I think I've found my own re-partitioner "way"
I use to workout late afternoon, about 6pm
Well I am in a carbcycling diet, so my lunch has no carb, only protein, vegetables and fat.
I am using vpx NO shotgun v3 MHI fro pre-wkt, that is said to got pro-slin complex.
Just after wkt I take a shake of protein (whey or milk) plus high glicemic carb (maltodextrin). Well, I believe that my slin really shots my blood, 'cause 30min after that I feel completly shaking, hungry, carb-desired, like an authentic hipoglicemy condition!
I think all combinations: cycling carb, without carb before workout, shotgun and high-glicemic carb after wkout just work for me... imagine that adding something like recompadrol... welll maybe I die
 
I'm not really into arguing however I do see where you are coming from.

What your posts say are correct. However
Doses of 50-150mg for up to 6 weeks have been shown to be safe.

You must also remember not all is absorbed it can be excreted in feces and urine

How many human studies have you looked at with diabetics? Shown effective
 
crazyfool405 said:
I'm not really into arguing however I do see where you are coming from.
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not arguing friend, simply don't like to see what I consider to be bad advice bandied about.

How many human studies have you looked at with diabetics? Shown effective
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there may be some usefulness in the case of a diabetic..with the correct dosing parameters, duration, and monitoring.
I just don't think it should be applied to non-diabetic uses.
 
Hey man to each his own. With a body builders diet and use of illicit drugs (gh ect) and the onset of metabolic syndrome in the US. With the proper dosing and time on/off there can be real benefits
 
idk how 30mg or whatever u said ann be toxic, heres two studies that prove otherwise.

the first study used 2 grouops 1 with 150mg dose and the 2nd with 300mg and the conclusion was 6 weeks is safe.

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this 2nd link has 2 studies done with 100mg for a period of 3 weeks , and a 2nd test with 3 groups, (75mg, 150mg, 300mg) all for a period of 6 weeks.

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Im not sure why vanadium is getting criticized when its not even the main ingredient in recompadrol. im guessing since its new people like to hate on innovation and ingredients theyve never seen before. I shouldnt say hate but maybe be skeptical and try to point out flaws without even trying the product or doing research. Its not like the company has outlandish claims like some companies in the industry, just real studies to back up real results that are very possible with the formula. thats just my 2 cents, take it for whats its worth i guess
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
idk how 30mg or whatever u said ann be toxic, heres two studies that prove otherwise.

the first study used 2 grouops 1 with 150mg dose and the 2nd with 300mg and the conclusion was 6 weeks is safe.

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this 2nd link has 2 studies done with 100mg for a period of 3 weeks , and a 2nd test with 3 groups, (75mg, 150mg, 300mg) all for a period of 6 weeks.

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okay, run with that.
I could list a gazillion studies showing otherwise, but to what avail?
Im not sure why vanadium is getting criticized when its not even the main ingredient in recompadrol. im guessing since its new people like to hate on innovation and ingredients theyve never seen before.
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what? I'd be a little more careful on your choice of words.
that is character assasination.
who the hell is even talking about recompadrol? I don't know anything about that product, so let's keep things straight.
my whole point was the validity (or lack thereof) of VS. period.
I brought this up on page 1 (sharing personal experience as well, not just some linked study) - before recompadrol was even mentioned in this thread.
you can go try to instigate elsewhere.

as I find to many times on this forum, some ppl you just can't get a point across to.
and once again, I'll exit a thread due to ignorant posting..better things I can be doing. :wave:
 
What you're looking for will hit the market in a few weeks.

The time has come, to unleash a new product with a new ingred. to the industry.

Here's a little teaser that has some promising blood work samples. :cool:

Figure 1. The effects of a single dose (1000mg) of SLINShot on plasma creatine clearance.

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Note: Average plasma creatine concentration following intake of creatine monohydrate (60 mg/kg body weight), preceded 15 minutes earlier by ingestion of 1000mg SLINshot, the equivalent of one serving. Subjects were 11 young, healthy men.
Adapted from Jager et al. JISSN 2008, 5(Suppl 1):P4


and there's more....


Table 1 provides values for each time point of sample collection for both placebo and SLINshot trials. The area under the curve (AUC) is also presented, which uses a mathematically model to represent the ?sum? over the course of the one hour post ingestion period. Percent difference values between placebo and SLINshot trials are included for each time point, as well as for AUC. Figure 2 provides a graphical representation of the data. As can be seen, oral intake of SLINshot provides for blood glucose disposal effects in healthy men.


Table 1 and Figure 2. Effect of SLINshot on blood glucose concentration following an OGTT.

Time Sub X Placebo Sub X SLINshot 1000mg Sub X % difference
Pre 86 79 7.5
15 min 90 83 8.5
30 min 126 84 33.6
45 min 114 94 18.0
60 min 104 86 17.5

AUC 425 342 19.5

Time Sub Y Placebo Sub Y SLINshot 2000mg Sub Y % difference
Pre 91 75 17.4
15 min 120 107 11.0
30 min 118 112 5.0
45 min 173 117 32.1
60 min 160 96 39.9

AUC 536 421 21.5



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Pertaining to the above, while only two subjects were used in this initial experiment, it cannot be concluded that all individuals will respond in the same manner. Additional research, using a sample of 10-20 individuals, is needed to provide additional support for these initial findings. This is true for all herbal forms of glucose regulatory agents recommended for use in human subjects (Cefalu et al., 2008b).

Logs will be next. :D
 
Hey Link, PM sent with some logs and testers using Slin-Sane. Let me know if you have any more questions.
 
GENOMYX said:
Hey Link, PM sent with some logs and testers using Slin-Sane. Let me know if you have any more questions.
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could I get a copy of that PM bud? I know Dsade puts his faith in this product, and I respect his and Christines opinions highly.
 
Hey CT just sent you a PM as well. Thanks for the kind words. Yes Matt and Christine are both great people and same here. I respect both of there opinions as also.
 
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