bradleywiens
Active member
Great progress man! Keep it up.
Kleen's Hopped up on HyperTest! (Sponsored)
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orbitron3000
Active member
beastly. but what do you mean by pointedness?
MrKleen73
Legend
Look back at this pic, Invalid Link Removed see the saggy moobs hanging down, and how the nipple kind of comes out to a point, well that is fat. It has been there since I was like 8, it makes my chest look soft on bottom until I am about 6%.:zx11pissed::wtf1::aargh4: There is not a bump in them and it all goes away. I used to think it was gyno but a surgeon checked and it was just fat. Lucky me! Good news is that it is tightening up which is a huge factor in how conditioned I look. Soon the nipple will tuck back up in and under my pec like on normal people.
If you go look at Snags Avatar or his recent pics in his you will see the difference in someone with even fat distribution and my pockets under my chest. Lean wise my upper chest is not that far from his but on the bottom there is a HUGE difference. I keep telling myself some day I will get that crap sucked out it is so annoying to have there. If only money grew on trees...
orbitron3000
Active member
ah, comprende. good that it's not gyno. that's some scary sh!t. man comparing the 'moob' pic to the ones from a wee bit ago and thats some crazy difference. definitely some good motivation.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thank Bro!
Thanks Mr Big this run is getting more enjoyable wit a little more carbs.
thundergod
Well-known member
Now that's really saying something!! With huge ass calves like yours Metroba!! I miss that old avatar of your bulls raging!!!
Kleen, shit oh shit dude!! :scared:Those bulls have been grazing indeed!! Very nice.
It has inspired me to quit making all those "genetics" excuses, and start making improvements. Gonna kill 'em this morning!!!
Good show brotha!!!:clap2:
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks!
Gracias Sir!
HaHa all of the moobs and gyno talk I have a local gyno, lipo add at the top of this page right now! LOLOLOLOLOL
Army Guy
Well-known member
:trout: killing me Met... just killing me
Great picks Kleen. How are you adjusting your cardio with the carb increase?
MrKleen73
Legend
I am not, at 2 1/4 hours a week I am golden all the way up to the show. Use diet to control weight not excess cardio. If it requres that much cardio in my opinion your just eating too many calories. Will add in walks at lunch on nice days but that is it unless I get a bug up my butt to push it a few day but that day to go hard and do something because I have the energy and want to. But that would just be incidental extra efforts. will just be extra and not part of the big plan. The difference I will make in the next 3-4 weeks and you will see I won't have any need to increase cardio.
thundergod
Well-known member
Spot on conclusion there Mr.Kleen. The "old timers" in the 50's, 60's, and even Arnold in the 70's did no or very limited cardio in their programs. Arnold said he would go running on the beach or swimming in the ocean, but it was mainly for fun rather than cardio for the sake of cardio.
Excess cardio lowers testosterone levels, raises muscle-eating cortisol, and takes away energy that should be going towards smashing the weights!! :werd:
Read up readers and see if I'm not right.....:deal:
MrKleen73
Legend
Day 21=Cardio, Day 22=Lift, Day 23=Rest
Hello Brothers in Iron,
Sorry it has been a few days without a real update. Today is a rest day, and I am going to do just that. However yesterday was the birthday dinner my wife had planned for me while the kids were out. We went and had steaks and then she took me to Marble Slab for my favorite a Big Dipper size Peanut Butter Ice Cream with basically an azzload of butterfinger crushed and hand mixed into it on a frozen marble slab. CAN I GET AN AMEN BRETHEREN!!!! LOL I am on target right now with weight loss so this was not a big deal and if anything may have givin my muscle the extra push to fill up more with glycogen. I was smart and took some good size doses of Yellow Gold to keep any of the wondrous meal from being stored as fat. I am full upon waking this morning, however I may go sit in the sauna to get any sub-q water that may have come on under control. That and it just feels so good to sweat in there. Skin always feels tighter afterwards. Okay without further chitchat we will get into the training section.
Day 21 Cardio - Walked 45 min on treadmill 420 cals, 15 leg raises, 75 crunches in sauna.
Day 22, Get your lift on!!!!
Push Press - 155x10, 185x6>135x7>115x2 Awesome work here. The last time my 1st workset was 135 for 8, so I increased 20 lbs there and 2 reps. Second set was 170x13, went up 15 lbs here and got 6. I think I would have hit 10 if first set had been lighter but when I look at the over all volume of weight it is still higher here. Either way I was very happy with how well the 185 felt in my hands and at lockout on top. All lowering is very controlled here on this lift always.
DB Pullover - 50x10, 75x10, 95x12>75x7>50x8 Oh Yeah Baby, I am so happy I was able to do these this week. 50s felt great, light and no twinge just enough weight to feel the groove an know I could proceed. Tried 75s, thought that may tweak the shoulder, NOTHING and the weight felt like somebody was teasing me, I could have thrown the 75 a good 10 feet from the bottom position, that would be a sight eh! I just felt powerfull again. Went to 95s thinking okay here comes the twinge we are in big boy territory now. Smashed it 12 reps at 95, now before you picture this, picture it done correctly not as most people I see do them do it. Only the upper traps, and posterior delts touching the bench, legs in closer to the bench knees bent with a deep dip going from the raised chest to the hips. Your butt should damn near be on the floor for these to get proper chest cavity expansion and an increased ranged of motion for the lats and serratus. Do not do these with you hips up or anywehere even close to parralel or you are truly missing what this exercise can do for you and specifically your chest poses, and lat spread. You also take in a huge breath of air and hold it in your chest cavity at the top of the movement then lower as deep as you can behind you pause at the bottom then finally exhale as you bring the weight back to the top position. It is the extra air in your lungs the forces the ribcage to expand as you lower the weight instead of the ribcage just compressing like it would if not holding the air in. Any other form on this exercise is going through the motions and acheiving half of what can be done with this exercise. After 2 months incorporating these your lats will flair lower down into your waistline, your chest will sit higher and appear larger because it will be sitting on an expanded rib cage. If you are looking for a way to look thicker trust me this exercise will give you some more room to grow front to back. Just look at Arnold, and what he has to say about these things. Anyway lesson over, I just figure if peope saw this and wanted to try it I want them to do them correctly to see the real benefits.
Hammer Strength Super Incline - 45x12, 105x8, 125x4>90x5>45x4 WOW My delts were just burned already and this one is delt intensive felt great though and it is my goal to hit fron delts a little extra right now so very happy with this.
Close Grip Bench - 135x10, 165x9>115x6> slid down and did skull crushers for with empty bar for 10 all reps were 2-0-4 tempo. I am slowing down my tempo to lighten up weight on arms and will be doing the same for quad movememts until I feel my issues are healing up I want to attack muscle not connective tissue.
Cybex Single leg Kneeling Leg Curl Machine - 50x10, 90x8, 90x6>70x6>50x3
This was the first time I used this machine and I have to say I really like it. It isolates better than standing or the lying leg curls. I tip my hat to Cybex on this machine. Strange only doing one main leg exercise today but recovery is key.
Seated Bent Knee Calve raises - 115x25 as you know I hate this exercise. I think it is the mose poorly designed machine, how hard can it be to make the pads either a cover more surface area, or be better padding so people who need to put weight on there can do so without the wood pressing though the quads into the bone. I swear these may just be the reason my knees are aching. Anyway I put a relatively heavy weight and said to myself I will just go until I can't 1 time and done. Was impressed with the 25 at this weight though.
I weighed in at 198 yesterday, a 1 lb difference, I am looking leaner. I bet I am over 200 today after all that good eating yesterday. I just counted the rest of the HyperTest and Tuesday will be my last day on it. I think in one of my ADHD moments I double dosed it at some point by accident. That happens occasionally. What are ya gonna do? :dunno: I don't take meds for it and am not gonna start now. Ritalin and stuff used to turn me into a Zombie... Even though in the middle of the week I will take my bodyfat and some pics for the final review on Tuesday. So far I am pleased with the product and would have definitely enjoyed a second bottle of HyperTest to keep it going and see what happens when you stay in stride with it as is recommended I feel the second bottle would be the icing on the cake and really let this product shine. Oh yeah It goes without saying, that Hemo had me pumped to the gills.
Hello Brothers in Iron,
Sorry it has been a few days without a real update. Today is a rest day, and I am going to do just that. However yesterday was the birthday dinner my wife had planned for me while the kids were out. We went and had steaks and then she took me to Marble Slab for my favorite a Big Dipper size Peanut Butter Ice Cream with basically an azzload of butterfinger crushed and hand mixed into it on a frozen marble slab. CAN I GET AN AMEN BRETHEREN!!!! LOL I am on target right now with weight loss so this was not a big deal and if anything may have givin my muscle the extra push to fill up more with glycogen. I was smart and took some good size doses of Yellow Gold to keep any of the wondrous meal from being stored as fat. I am full upon waking this morning, however I may go sit in the sauna to get any sub-q water that may have come on under control. That and it just feels so good to sweat in there. Skin always feels tighter afterwards. Okay without further chitchat we will get into the training section.
Day 21 Cardio - Walked 45 min on treadmill 420 cals, 15 leg raises, 75 crunches in sauna.
Day 22, Get your lift on!!!!
Push Press - 155x10, 185x6>135x7>115x2 Awesome work here. The last time my 1st workset was 135 for 8, so I increased 20 lbs there and 2 reps. Second set was 170x13, went up 15 lbs here and got 6. I think I would have hit 10 if first set had been lighter but when I look at the over all volume of weight it is still higher here. Either way I was very happy with how well the 185 felt in my hands and at lockout on top. All lowering is very controlled here on this lift always.
DB Pullover - 50x10, 75x10, 95x12>75x7>50x8 Oh Yeah Baby, I am so happy I was able to do these this week. 50s felt great, light and no twinge just enough weight to feel the groove an know I could proceed. Tried 75s, thought that may tweak the shoulder, NOTHING and the weight felt like somebody was teasing me, I could have thrown the 75 a good 10 feet from the bottom position, that would be a sight eh! I just felt powerfull again. Went to 95s thinking okay here comes the twinge we are in big boy territory now. Smashed it 12 reps at 95, now before you picture this, picture it done correctly not as most people I see do them do it. Only the upper traps, and posterior delts touching the bench, legs in closer to the bench knees bent with a deep dip going from the raised chest to the hips. Your butt should damn near be on the floor for these to get proper chest cavity expansion and an increased ranged of motion for the lats and serratus. Do not do these with you hips up or anywehere even close to parralel or you are truly missing what this exercise can do for you and specifically your chest poses, and lat spread. You also take in a huge breath of air and hold it in your chest cavity at the top of the movement then lower as deep as you can behind you pause at the bottom then finally exhale as you bring the weight back to the top position. It is the extra air in your lungs the forces the ribcage to expand as you lower the weight instead of the ribcage just compressing like it would if not holding the air in. Any other form on this exercise is going through the motions and acheiving half of what can be done with this exercise. After 2 months incorporating these your lats will flair lower down into your waistline, your chest will sit higher and appear larger because it will be sitting on an expanded rib cage. If you are looking for a way to look thicker trust me this exercise will give you some more room to grow front to back. Just look at Arnold, and what he has to say about these things. Anyway lesson over, I just figure if peope saw this and wanted to try it I want them to do them correctly to see the real benefits.
Hammer Strength Super Incline - 45x12, 105x8, 125x4>90x5>45x4 WOW My delts were just burned already and this one is delt intensive felt great though and it is my goal to hit fron delts a little extra right now so very happy with this.
Close Grip Bench - 135x10, 165x9>115x6> slid down and did skull crushers for with empty bar for 10 all reps were 2-0-4 tempo. I am slowing down my tempo to lighten up weight on arms and will be doing the same for quad movememts until I feel my issues are healing up I want to attack muscle not connective tissue.
Cybex Single leg Kneeling Leg Curl Machine - 50x10, 90x8, 90x6>70x6>50x3
This was the first time I used this machine and I have to say I really like it. It isolates better than standing or the lying leg curls. I tip my hat to Cybex on this machine. Strange only doing one main leg exercise today but recovery is key.
Seated Bent Knee Calve raises - 115x25 as you know I hate this exercise. I think it is the mose poorly designed machine, how hard can it be to make the pads either a cover more surface area, or be better padding so people who need to put weight on there can do so without the wood pressing though the quads into the bone. I swear these may just be the reason my knees are aching. Anyway I put a relatively heavy weight and said to myself I will just go until I can't 1 time and done. Was impressed with the 25 at this weight though.
I weighed in at 198 yesterday, a 1 lb difference, I am looking leaner. I bet I am over 200 today after all that good eating yesterday. I just counted the rest of the HyperTest and Tuesday will be my last day on it. I think in one of my ADHD moments I double dosed it at some point by accident. That happens occasionally. What are ya gonna do? :dunno: I don't take meds for it and am not gonna start now. Ritalin and stuff used to turn me into a Zombie... Even though in the middle of the week I will take my bodyfat and some pics for the final review on Tuesday. So far I am pleased with the product and would have definitely enjoyed a second bottle of HyperTest to keep it going and see what happens when you stay in stride with it as is recommended I feel the second bottle would be the icing on the cake and really let this product shine. Oh yeah It goes without saying, that Hemo had me pumped to the gills.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks Brother!
celc5
Well-known member
Kleen,
Upright rows are NOT a shoulder friendly movement. To keep the biomechanics simple, uprights create a natural impingement, even for a healthy shoulder. Also, they put a negative force on tiny exerternal rotators.
There are a few tricks to make them a less destructive movement. The first option is to use dumbbells with a palms in or palms in 45 degrees to eliminate the impingement.
Grip changes can also be simulated with an EZ bar... keep in mind that rotating the EZ bar drastically changes your grip even if your width doesn't change. Experiment for 5 seconds with an EZ bar to see what I'm referring to here.
Finally, start really light. I have shoulder pathology history due to a dislocated shoulder, pitching, and quarterbacking. If I jump right into my heaviest set, I get nothing but irritation from uprights. However, if I incrementally warm up 3-4 sets with the EZ bar, I can pile it on without irritating the shoulder.
Upright rows are NOT a shoulder friendly movement. To keep the biomechanics simple, uprights create a natural impingement, even for a healthy shoulder. Also, they put a negative force on tiny exerternal rotators.
There are a few tricks to make them a less destructive movement. The first option is to use dumbbells with a palms in or palms in 45 degrees to eliminate the impingement.
Grip changes can also be simulated with an EZ bar... keep in mind that rotating the EZ bar drastically changes your grip even if your width doesn't change. Experiment for 5 seconds with an EZ bar to see what I'm referring to here.
Finally, start really light. I have shoulder pathology history due to a dislocated shoulder, pitching, and quarterbacking. If I jump right into my heaviest set, I get nothing but irritation from uprights. However, if I incrementally warm up 3-4 sets with the EZ bar, I can pile it on without irritating the shoulder.
thundergod
Well-known member
Looking awesome in here Mr.Kleen!! You tore the weights a new one on that workout!! Alright. And I want to wish you a belated Happy Birthday brosinski!! :fest30: :fest06:
What a meal too. You had me drooling describing that ice cream. Ohh.....:lick:
It's a shame that this ride is almost over already. Seems like it just got underway. Maybe these kind people will send you a second bottle and let you put it to the true long term test of a full 8 weeks. I think these natty test boosters just get revved up after the first 4 weeks. They take longer to fully kick than do true anabolics.
And Celc5 is giving out solid advice as always. I already suggested the DB upright rows. I love those, and no shoulder issues like a straight bar and free weights. I also like to do these with a short rotating bar on a cable stack. The continuous tension seems to keep my shoulders tight and secure.
Great log brutha!! You really did it justice!!! :thumbsup:
What a meal too. You had me drooling describing that ice cream. Ohh.....:lick:
It's a shame that this ride is almost over already. Seems like it just got underway. Maybe these kind people will send you a second bottle and let you put it to the true long term test of a full 8 weeks. I think these natty test boosters just get revved up after the first 4 weeks. They take longer to fully kick than do true anabolics.
And Celc5 is giving out solid advice as always. I already suggested the DB upright rows. I love those, and no shoulder issues like a straight bar and free weights. I also like to do these with a short rotating bar on a cable stack. The continuous tension seems to keep my shoulders tight and secure.
Great log brutha!! You really did it justice!!! :thumbsup:
FlexW99
Well-known member
Good Lord. Big Dipper PB Ice cream!! Frikkin jealous!
AZMIDLYF
Legend
Great advice Celc. I use an EZ bar cable set up and do even more warm up before the weight goes up.
Army Guy
Well-known member
First of all AMEN to the dinner and icecream!!! Second of all, I am with TG... happy belated brother!! I also love how you went in detail with the pullovers. I hate seeing knobs at the gym doing those wrong. I don't want to be the guy picking them off the floor when they hurt themselves. So... what's next for the Kleen Machine after you finish the last of the bottle????
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
I hear this a doctor tried putting me on Paxil for OCD. Took it for a week felt like crap and it did nothing for the OCD. When I saw him again I told him thanks but no thanks on the Paxil.
thundergod
Well-known member
I bet he tells you 1 minute. Just a guess. I sometimes let mine stretch out to almost 2 minutes if I feel fatigued. Don't want to rush between these 2 heavy sets. But after that second heavy set, the 2 subsequent drops are immediate. It's a fat-melting workout for sure.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks Guys and your not late my real birthday is today, 37 years old. Solid advice on the uprights, I have changed to dumbells however I may try a more nuetral grip. Tomorrow I am going all out on the Hemo and hitting the 10 just to see and for a punctuated ending to the log. I will be starting another log this week, and will post links to it or send invites. After some liberated eating I am up to 201 however I look just as lean if not leaner. Got my muscles filled back up finally. Now we can see where I end up. Will update later. Pics tomorrow.
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Happy b-day bro. Please enjoy your special day!!!!
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah, Paxil can be very bad news. I am glad I am now functional, I just have my moments.
1 minute rest, however if Mass is the goal I say 90-120 seconds between the two.
Thunder doesn't do this stretching the rest out anymore, he is on ASGT and Natadrol he does the entire workout as one giant set. LOL
HaHa no pics. Yesterday was an interesting day. I ate too much had a couple drinks and spilled over. LOL Tomorrow there will be pics it is the true end of this run and I can drop some of the water I put on yesterday. Scale weight after eating a little more liberally this weekend 202.5 extra is water from yesterday. All will be corrected by tomorrow.
Thanks Guys! I had a great birthday.
10 had me inflated like a balloonHappy Bday Kleenmachine! 10 is def the way to go! Pumps will have you
Thanks!
Thank Goodness! Ya make an aging man feel young!
I know that I picked up 4 at the price as soon as I saw it. I have never taken it but I like Tribulosin, from using in Refresh, and Divanil is my favorite test increasing ingredient of any so far just due to the initial kick. The avena sativa addition is nice for the LH boost and will go great I will also be adding in bulk 1C for another boost in Luetenizing hormone. I would jump on this fast. Bulk Divanil is 29 a bottle all by itself... so the combo of these ingredients at that price is off the chain. That and the PRIME deal is pretty phenominal too.
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Probably a stupid question but what is the TNA run?
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Thank you very much.
MrKleen73
Legend
Honestly TNA could be run with the SWOLE Stack, the Tribulosin, and Avena Sateva are different than Testofen and IC3 in Mode of Action, but it would be a lot of divanil at once with what is already in TestroPro. If I were to decide to run them together hoping for synergy, I may take 1/2 a dose of TestoPro and Half a dose of TNA together 3 times a day. However I don't know how much of a difference it would make.
He meant how would TNA (AZ spelled out acronym below) the InnerCircle release that just came out run alongside with the SWOLE stack.
Precisely Sir.
MrKleen73
Legend
Day 25 -One more dose
Hey everybody,
I have one more dose on this product and I will be done with this run. Yes it was very short and I wish it was a 2 month run but alas the next log awaits. The next portion of my Epic journey begins. I wont go into to many details now even though I am tempted to review the product as it stands I want some statistical data to verify my thoughts regarding the last week. Key stats would be my bodyfat percentage tomorrow. I know I dropped during the week but I did eat a good bit of carbs this weekend. Especially after coming to a realization that I need to take a break of sorts. I will go to the sauna tonight to get off any extra water I may be holding from the excess carbs and take my pics tomorrow. I think I will be coming in around 200-201 and 8% but that is a guess. If so I recouped the LBM loss and then some.
Here is my workout for this morning. I took 10 count em 10 Hemo's this morning and the pump was pretty ridiculous. I also changed all of the rep tempos to 2-0-4 as well as only doing 1 drop set. I would compare the weight to the others but honestly there is no comparison which is the point. Goal was to end up lowering the weight by 25-35% without sacrificing intensity of set. I would say I did this very well throughout the workout.
Flat DB Bench 50x10, 75x10, 75x8>50x5 Nice and slow reps here. Contractions were sick by the end of the setsm 50x5 felt like I had the entire gym in my hands when it was said and done.
Bent Over DB Row - 50x10, 75x8, 75x8>50x3 Forearms were pumped huge by the end of this one, made sure to squeeze lats at top, great contraction here.
Standing Arnold Presses - 25x10, 35x8, 35x7>25x5 Holy Crap I have never done these slow like this, it took a minute to figure it out but man ALL the heads of my delts were toast when this one was over. Slow reps on this is brutal, and the pump in my shoulders was just fugging stupid at this point.
DB Drag Curls - 25x10, 25x7, OH My God the burn! So I was asked how I do this one specifically. I took mental notice of what I found to be the perfect rep or best range of motion for peak contraction and I have found it. Do I drag up then a negative down was what was asked. No I pull my elbows back behind my back as far as I can get it to go. Picture doing and underhanded grip db bent over row. If you were to squeeze the lat how it pulls your elbow behind the rear plane of your back. Well if you were to stand up at peak contraction that is where you want the point of your elbow basically sticking out backwards from your shoulder/back at a 45 degree angle. Now lock your arm back in that position and curl, the dumbell should basically be moving perfectly verticle as if moving along a plumb line hanging from the center of your shoulder. This ends up being the same motion as in incline db curl but it isolates even more. When you are on the bench your front delt is in a stretched position limiting its ability to contract and assist the biceps in the movement but if any of you have ever strained hard on these you know the anterior delt still gets into this move. HOWEVER, engaging the rear head of the delts, the traps and rhomboids to pull that arm back basically disengages the ability of the anterior delt to become an active primary mover as it has already been engaged as an antagonist to the muscles of the back and rear delts for stability. EI it can not transfer the force forward to the anterior head while you are intentionally engaging the opposing muscle groups to lock yourself into that position. Clear as mud huh? Bottom line hold your elbow back behind you as far as your joint allows and curl from that point keeping the motion of the dumbbell as linear as possible vertically and you will get one hell of a pump!
Hindu Squats - BWx15, BWx15, BWx30 Body weight movement for legs, current injury is keeping me from putting any weight on my legs for movements. Also the main reason I am moving my contest back to one that is in mid-July. I expect I will be training my legs with this method and some higher resistance biking on the recumbant bike. Just stuff to keep the muscles in use without hurting them any further. Get a good pump in there give them the much needed extra circulation then leave them be to recover. We are looking at 4-6 weeks here I think. I will be going to my Ortho if it does not start showing signs of recovery after a few weeks of no weight training.
Unfortunately I am having to put the contest off until July. I just have too many nagging injuries. The wife stopped me this weekend as i was wincing to get in my push press, my knee was hurting when changing direction at the bottom to explode up. Then yesterday I had to change from regular to recumbant bike due to my leg hurting on Monday, well she made it final today when i put 135 on the squat and had to put it right back up due to it hurting. I need at least a month to 6 weeks of lighter lifting on my upper body to let some tendonitis heal. Even more importantly since my leg has not begun to recover yet since straining it during some very heavy DC leg press. I will be taking 4 weeks off of all weighted quad work. Now that is not really something I can do this close to a show and not get freaked out about. Well at least she took the choice out of my hands because I knew I needed to push the show back but couldn't bring myself to do it.
I still have some things up my sleeve though. A few tricks to eek out some growth on lower weights. Yet I can not continue on with a competition mindset right now or I will not let myself heal. So I have my sights set on another show July 17th. What this does change up for me are my current goals. Instead of cutting, I will work on recomping until mid to late May. By recomping I mean my goal is to get as close to 200 lbs and 6% BF as i can during that time. This will be a challenge since 1 month I will not be doing much leg work at all. Higher resistance recumbant bike, and Hindu Squats these will be my quad exercises during that time. Plenty of blood and lubrication sent to the area with minimal stress on the tendons.
Once again tomorrow is the final review and I will put up some pics and do my body fat as well.
Hey everybody,
I have one more dose on this product and I will be done with this run. Yes it was very short and I wish it was a 2 month run but alas the next log awaits. The next portion of my Epic journey begins. I wont go into to many details now even though I am tempted to review the product as it stands I want some statistical data to verify my thoughts regarding the last week. Key stats would be my bodyfat percentage tomorrow. I know I dropped during the week but I did eat a good bit of carbs this weekend. Especially after coming to a realization that I need to take a break of sorts. I will go to the sauna tonight to get off any extra water I may be holding from the excess carbs and take my pics tomorrow. I think I will be coming in around 200-201 and 8% but that is a guess. If so I recouped the LBM loss and then some.
Here is my workout for this morning. I took 10 count em 10 Hemo's this morning and the pump was pretty ridiculous. I also changed all of the rep tempos to 2-0-4 as well as only doing 1 drop set. I would compare the weight to the others but honestly there is no comparison which is the point. Goal was to end up lowering the weight by 25-35% without sacrificing intensity of set. I would say I did this very well throughout the workout.
Flat DB Bench 50x10, 75x10, 75x8>50x5 Nice and slow reps here. Contractions were sick by the end of the setsm 50x5 felt like I had the entire gym in my hands when it was said and done.
Bent Over DB Row - 50x10, 75x8, 75x8>50x3 Forearms were pumped huge by the end of this one, made sure to squeeze lats at top, great contraction here.
Standing Arnold Presses - 25x10, 35x8, 35x7>25x5 Holy Crap I have never done these slow like this, it took a minute to figure it out but man ALL the heads of my delts were toast when this one was over. Slow reps on this is brutal, and the pump in my shoulders was just fugging stupid at this point.
DB Drag Curls - 25x10, 25x7, OH My God the burn! So I was asked how I do this one specifically. I took mental notice of what I found to be the perfect rep or best range of motion for peak contraction and I have found it. Do I drag up then a negative down was what was asked. No I pull my elbows back behind my back as far as I can get it to go. Picture doing and underhanded grip db bent over row. If you were to squeeze the lat how it pulls your elbow behind the rear plane of your back. Well if you were to stand up at peak contraction that is where you want the point of your elbow basically sticking out backwards from your shoulder/back at a 45 degree angle. Now lock your arm back in that position and curl, the dumbell should basically be moving perfectly verticle as if moving along a plumb line hanging from the center of your shoulder. This ends up being the same motion as in incline db curl but it isolates even more. When you are on the bench your front delt is in a stretched position limiting its ability to contract and assist the biceps in the movement but if any of you have ever strained hard on these you know the anterior delt still gets into this move. HOWEVER, engaging the rear head of the delts, the traps and rhomboids to pull that arm back basically disengages the ability of the anterior delt to become an active primary mover as it has already been engaged as an antagonist to the muscles of the back and rear delts for stability. EI it can not transfer the force forward to the anterior head while you are intentionally engaging the opposing muscle groups to lock yourself into that position. Clear as mud huh? Bottom line hold your elbow back behind you as far as your joint allows and curl from that point keeping the motion of the dumbbell as linear as possible vertically and you will get one hell of a pump!
Hindu Squats - BWx15, BWx15, BWx30 Body weight movement for legs, current injury is keeping me from putting any weight on my legs for movements. Also the main reason I am moving my contest back to one that is in mid-July. I expect I will be training my legs with this method and some higher resistance biking on the recumbant bike. Just stuff to keep the muscles in use without hurting them any further. Get a good pump in there give them the much needed extra circulation then leave them be to recover. We are looking at 4-6 weeks here I think. I will be going to my Ortho if it does not start showing signs of recovery after a few weeks of no weight training.
Unfortunately I am having to put the contest off until July. I just have too many nagging injuries. The wife stopped me this weekend as i was wincing to get in my push press, my knee was hurting when changing direction at the bottom to explode up. Then yesterday I had to change from regular to recumbant bike due to my leg hurting on Monday, well she made it final today when i put 135 on the squat and had to put it right back up due to it hurting. I need at least a month to 6 weeks of lighter lifting on my upper body to let some tendonitis heal. Even more importantly since my leg has not begun to recover yet since straining it during some very heavy DC leg press. I will be taking 4 weeks off of all weighted quad work. Now that is not really something I can do this close to a show and not get freaked out about. Well at least she took the choice out of my hands because I knew I needed to push the show back but couldn't bring myself to do it.
I still have some things up my sleeve though. A few tricks to eek out some growth on lower weights. Yet I can not continue on with a competition mindset right now or I will not let myself heal. So I have my sights set on another show July 17th. What this does change up for me are my current goals. Instead of cutting, I will work on recomping until mid to late May. By recomping I mean my goal is to get as close to 200 lbs and 6% BF as i can during that time. This will be a challenge since 1 month I will not be doing much leg work at all. Higher resistance recumbant bike, and Hindu Squats these will be my quad exercises during that time. Plenty of blood and lubrication sent to the area with minimal stress on the tendons.
Once again tomorrow is the final review and I will put up some pics and do my body fat as well.
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Hey everybody,
I have one more dose on this product and I will be done with this run. Yes it was very short and I wish it was a 2 month run but alas the next log awaits. The next portion of my Epic journey begins. I wont go into to many details now even though I am tempted to review the product as it stands I want some statistical data to verify my thoughts regarding the last week. Key stats would be my bodyfat percentage tomorrow. I know I dropped during the week but I did eat a good bit of carbs this weekend. Especially after coming to a realization that I need to take a break of sorts. I will go to the sauna tonight to get off any extra water I may be holding from the excess carbs and take my pics tomorrow. I think I will be coming in around 200-201 and 8% but that is a guess. If so I recouped the LBM loss and then some.
Here is my workout for this morning. I took 10 count em 10 Hemo's this morning and the pump was pretty ridiculous. I also changed all of the rep tempos to 2-0-4 as well as only doing 1 drop set. I would compare the weight to the others but honestly there is no comparison which is the point. Goal was to end up lowering the weight by 25-35% without sacrificing intensity of set. I would say I did this very well throughout the workout.
Flat DB Bench 50x10, 75x10, 75x8>50x5 Nice and slow reps here. Contractions were sick by the end of the setsm 50x5 felt like I had the entire gym in my hands when it was said and done.
Bent Over DB Row - 50x10, 75x8, 75x8>50x3 Forearms were pumped huge by the end of this one, made sure to squeeze lats at top, great contraction here.
Standing Arnold Presses - 25x10, 35x8, 35x7>25x5 Holy Crap I have never done these slow like this, it took a minute to figure it out but man ALL the heads of my delts were toast when this one was over. Slow reps on this is brutal, and the pump in my shoulders was just fugging stupid at this point.
DB Drag Curls - 25x10, 25x7, OH My God the burn! So I was asked how I do this one specifically. I took mental notice of what I found to be the perfect rep or best range of motion for peak contraction and I have found it. Do I drag up then a negative down was what was asked. No I pull my elbows back behind my back as far as I can get it to go. Picture doing and underhanded grip db bent over row. If you were to squeeze the lat how it pulls your elbow behind the rear plane of your back. Well if you were to stand up at peak contraction that is where you want the point of your elbow basically sticking out backwards from your shoulder/back at a 45 degree angle. Now lock your arm back in that position and curl, the dumbell should basically be moving perfectly verticle as if moving along a plumb line hanging from the center of your shoulder. This ends up being the same motion as in incline db curl but it isolates even more. When you are on the bench your front delt is in a stretched position limiting its ability to contract and assist the biceps in the movement but if any of you have ever strained hard on these you know the anterior delt still gets into this move. HOWEVER, engaging the rear head of the delts, the traps and rhomboids to pull that arm back basically disengages the ability of the anterior delt to become an active primary mover as it has already been engaged as an antagonist to the muscles of the back and rear delts for stability. EI it can not transfer the force forward to the anterior head while you are intentionally engaging the opposing muscle groups to lock yourself into that position. Clear as mud huh? Bottom line hold your elbow back behind you as far as your joint allows and curl from that point keeping the motion of the dumbbell as linear as possible vertically and you will get one hell of a pump!
Hindu Squats - BWx15, BWx15, BWx30 Body weight movement for legs, current injury is keeping me from putting any weight on my legs for movements. Also the main reason I am moving my contest back to one that is in mid-July. I expect I will be training my legs with this method and some higher resistance biking on the recumbant bike. Just stuff to keep the muscles in use without hurting them any further. Get a good pump in there give them the much needed extra circulation then leave them be to recover. We are looking at 4-6 weeks here I think. I will be going to my Ortho if it does not start showing signs of recovery after a few weeks of no weight training.
Unfortunately I am having to put the contest off until July. I just have too many nagging injuries. The wife stopped me this weekend as i was wincing to get in my push press, my knee was hurting when changing direction at the bottom to explode up. Then yesterday I had to change from regular to recumbant bike due to my leg hurting on Monday, well she made it final today when i put 135 on the squat and had to put it right back up due to it hurting. I need at least a month to 6 weeks of lighter lifting on my upper body to let some tendonitis heal. Even more importantly since my leg has not begun to recover yet since straining it during some very heavy DC leg press. I will be taking 4 weeks off of all weighted quad work. Now that is not really something I can do this close to a show and not get freaked out about. Well at least she took the choice out of my hands because I knew I needed to push the show back but couldn't bring myself to do it.
I still have some things up my sleeve though. A few tricks to eek out some growth on lower weights. Yet I can not continue on with a competition mindset right now or I will not let myself heal. So I have my sights set on another show July 17th. What this does change up for me are my current goals. Instead of cutting, I will work on recomping until mid to late May. By recomping I mean my goal is to get as close to 200 lbs and 6% BF as i can during that time. This will be a challenge since 1 month I will not be doing much leg work at all. Higher resistance recumbant bike, and Hindu Squats these will be my quad exercises during that time. Plenty of blood and lubrication sent to the area with minimal stress on the tendons.
Once again tomorrow is the final review and I will put up some pics and do my body fat as well.
You did a great log and looking forward to the final review.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thank You Sir!You did a great log and looking forward to the final review.
Yeah it really is a blow to the ego, but my triceps are still sore from Saturday and that was the first of the slow reps I did. I amagine tomorrow I will be feeling it everywhere. Once you have done a program like GVT you have to become more humble. Working with 60% of your rep max at those tempos just kills you. The soreness is almost unreal. So is the growth and the pump. I love changing my rep schemes but have had to much of a hard on for weight lately to slow my tempo resulting in all of my recent ouchies.
Army Guy
Well-known member
celc5
Well-known member
Well said. This punk on BBing saying how whimpy GVT was... I thought, whoa you are doing something wrong. I remember feeling my lungs on fire after about 6 or 7 sets squats, bench, and pullups. I mean what routine makes your lungs burn with pullups? It's tough to move the next day after a correctly done GVT routine :head:
Army Guy
Well-known member
agreed, which is why I hate doing them!!! :mischievous:
MrKleen73
Legend
LOL
Yeah, I could push through bit it just isn't smart. I am not as young as I used to be I guess. I am a lot smarter though.
Yeah apparently he never actually did it and only looked at the weights being lifted. DuecheBag....
Yeah but the effect, is amazing...
thundergod
Well-known member
Another thing about Avena Sativa......it's notoriously great at freeing up bound testosterone. Like the divanil. And about as strong at it too. In fact just the other day I was reading on a Steroid site where they say that in large doses, Avena Sativa is almost as good as prescription Proviron at freeing up bound testosterone. I take anywhere from 1 to 3 grams per day myself. It binds to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and allows more test to be free to use in muscle and strength building.
Just thought I'd toss that in the ring. :439:
MrKleen73
Legend
The Final Review
Here were go with the final review. Can I get a drum roll please.
Mood - Was generally elevated, I had a distinct calm to me for a bit when first starting, I think from the Rosea. Alpha male feel came in around mid second week.
Libido - Honestly mine is pretty high, there were times it was elevated but never became an inconvenience.
Strength - I continued to make strength gains even as I continued to lose fat. Even during lower carb periods.
Size - I started this on a cut and honestly ate pretty much like a cut except for a few large meals. I ended up gaining almost a pound of LBM in the end once it started picking up. I am pretty impressed with the gain. I was expecting some loss or breaking even here.
Aggression - This kicked in for me end of second week when I upped the dose to 2 an hour before training. The effect was almost immediate. I found myself snapping and getting irritated. I was however able to manage it once I made myself aware of the situation.
Pump - I was consistently able to get a pump even during low carb periods which impressed me most about the Hemodraulix. My pump seemed to last a while after working out as well which was nice.
Vascularity - As far as vascularity it increased throughout as I got leaner however once I added some carbs to my system and took the Hemo I started getting the road map veins during workouts. Just as many others I found my sweet spot here to be 8 caps.
This is a shot of me with my chest slung low like in the shot from last time. You can see I am leaner for sure, and my chest and arms look much bigger to me.
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This is a shot of me relaxed again but with chest held high like in the first set of pics. The difference in leanness is obvious in both shots.
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This is a picture of me relaxed arms up like in the other pics. I am not only tighter but noticeably thicker in the chest and lats look bigger due to waist getting smaller.
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Below is a tail of the tape, from begining to end side by side comparisons.
Date: 1/10/2010 1/24/2010 2/3/2010
Skinfold Site Start Mid Final
Pectoral 7 5 5
Abdomen 17 16 14
Quadricep 7 5 5
TOTAL 31 26 24
Bodyweight 206 200.25 202
Weight change from previous 1.75
Weight change from beginning -4
% Bodyfat 10.02 8.46 7.82
lbs Bodyfat 20.65 16.94 15.81
Fat Mass change from previous -1.13
Fat Mass change from beginning -4.85
% Lean Mass 89.97 91.54 92.17
lbs Lean Mass 185.34 183.30 186.19
Lean Mass Change from Previous -2.03 +2.88
Lean Mass Change from beginning +0.85
As you can see the biggest things to notice are a total fat loss of 4.84 lbs
of fat and a muscle gain of .85 lbs on a cut. I honestly feel a second bottle and we could have seen some numbers along the lines of 2 lbs LBM up and 7 lbs of fat down with the way everything was picking up there at the end.
I would recommend this product to anyone looking to gain lean mass during hypercaloric phases or maintain / gain LBM during a cut. Strength increases were good considering low calories. All in all the stack was a success and for the price as far as test boosters go this one is cheap. I woul recommend getting 3 bottle for a 2 month run taking 2 every morning and 4 at night. I feel this is the sweet spot for this and a 2 month test stack that is effective and about $100 for what I think would be an optimal run and you have a winner here. At the doses I took it I was able to gain almost a lb of lean mass during this month of cutting that is pretty good in my book.
Oh yeah ain't this a BIA BIA, I listed my bodyfat percentage as it was with my original age at 36, if I "turn" 37 in the middle my bodyfat percentage goes up by about a third of a percent. For consistensy sake in this log I left it at 36 but my next log will start with what is figured out for 37 Years old.
Here were go with the final review. Can I get a drum roll please.
Mood - Was generally elevated, I had a distinct calm to me for a bit when first starting, I think from the Rosea. Alpha male feel came in around mid second week.
Libido - Honestly mine is pretty high, there were times it was elevated but never became an inconvenience.
Strength - I continued to make strength gains even as I continued to lose fat. Even during lower carb periods.
Size - I started this on a cut and honestly ate pretty much like a cut except for a few large meals. I ended up gaining almost a pound of LBM in the end once it started picking up. I am pretty impressed with the gain. I was expecting some loss or breaking even here.
Aggression - This kicked in for me end of second week when I upped the dose to 2 an hour before training. The effect was almost immediate. I found myself snapping and getting irritated. I was however able to manage it once I made myself aware of the situation.
Pump - I was consistently able to get a pump even during low carb periods which impressed me most about the Hemodraulix. My pump seemed to last a while after working out as well which was nice.
Vascularity - As far as vascularity it increased throughout as I got leaner however once I added some carbs to my system and took the Hemo I started getting the road map veins during workouts. Just as many others I found my sweet spot here to be 8 caps.
This is a shot of me with my chest slung low like in the shot from last time. You can see I am leaner for sure, and my chest and arms look much bigger to me.
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This is a shot of me relaxed again but with chest held high like in the first set of pics. The difference in leanness is obvious in both shots.
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This is a picture of me relaxed arms up like in the other pics. I am not only tighter but noticeably thicker in the chest and lats look bigger due to waist getting smaller.
Invalid Link Removed
Below is a tail of the tape, from begining to end side by side comparisons.
Date: 1/10/2010 1/24/2010 2/3/2010
Skinfold Site Start Mid Final
Pectoral 7 5 5
Abdomen 17 16 14
Quadricep 7 5 5
TOTAL 31 26 24
Bodyweight 206 200.25 202
Weight change from previous 1.75
Weight change from beginning -4
% Bodyfat 10.02 8.46 7.82
lbs Bodyfat 20.65 16.94 15.81
Fat Mass change from previous -1.13
Fat Mass change from beginning -4.85
% Lean Mass 89.97 91.54 92.17
lbs Lean Mass 185.34 183.30 186.19
Lean Mass Change from Previous -2.03 +2.88
Lean Mass Change from beginning +0.85
As you can see the biggest things to notice are a total fat loss of 4.84 lbs
of fat and a muscle gain of .85 lbs on a cut. I honestly feel a second bottle and we could have seen some numbers along the lines of 2 lbs LBM up and 7 lbs of fat down with the way everything was picking up there at the end.
I would recommend this product to anyone looking to gain lean mass during hypercaloric phases or maintain / gain LBM during a cut. Strength increases were good considering low calories. All in all the stack was a success and for the price as far as test boosters go this one is cheap. I woul recommend getting 3 bottle for a 2 month run taking 2 every morning and 4 at night. I feel this is the sweet spot for this and a 2 month test stack that is effective and about $100 for what I think would be an optimal run and you have a winner here. At the doses I took it I was able to gain almost a lb of lean mass during this month of cutting that is pretty good in my book.
Oh yeah ain't this a BIA BIA, I listed my bodyfat percentage as it was with my original age at 36, if I "turn" 37 in the middle my bodyfat percentage goes up by about a third of a percent. For consistensy sake in this log I left it at 36 but my next log will start with what is figured out for 37 Years old.
FlexW99
Well-known member
Damn brother. Sorry to hear about this. You'll persevere. All of us warriors do. Maybe increase massages and therapeautics!?