hardknock
Well-known member
That's the same if you considering taking a knuckle, knife, or gun to someone's jaw, throat or head as being "discussing"...then, yeah, it's the same....:01:
Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!
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That's the same if you considering taking a knuckle, knife, or gun to someone's jaw, throat or head as being "discussing"...then, yeah, it's the same....:01:
hardknock
Well-known member
Even "back in the day" there was a bit of scrutiny with certain products. If you want to support the co then there's nothing wrong with sticking by your "man". However, it would be wise to not walk through tunnels with blind folders on.
wontstop985
Active member
Gym4Life
Active member
indeed you are correct i have just used their supplements from day 1 ..... and anabolic xtreme got me into sports supplements and if they really have done the bad deed here i am indeed fooled and feel upset.....
either way if they have done us all up the rear this is a massive shocker for the supplement industry it goes to show you cant trust any of the products your buying from any of these supplement companys.
I trusted AX and thought their products were great and safe. Looks like i am gonna have to come to terms with the facts i am very disapointed.
bobwasnick
New member
Ok im currently on the meth program but its just too darn expensive. Works wonders. Does anyone have any experience with Methyl Ice? Meth is becoming really expensive & I hate having to meet shady characters at 2A.M. at an abandoned spot. Or the supplement called "POISON"!!!
thebigt
Legend
poison, you mean strychnine? i know they used to put it in Lsd to give an extra stimulant boost, but damn man i would be very careful with dosing. i have heard that it might be dangerous if you exceed recommended dosage.:saroll:
MrBrightside
Active member
Wow. That's super ****ed up if AX's original formulation had some hormone in it since they were sending free samples of it. I had 6 of the caps and I'm "underage."
bobwasnick
New member
HaHa nah Poison by ALRI? Nothing on Methly Ice huh? I googled it but I only found one review and the guy didnt explain much other than "its a great product".
buffb2
Member
Nobody said "legitimate and sound" Im not sure where that came from
I was just wanting the research he has claimed. He just likes to say its crack or meth and say they recalled it its really bad. The product doesnt have any credibal medical research. It MAY or POSSIBLY could be an analouge of a sch 1 or 2. With the human consumption use label on the box could end up in a lawsuit. If your theory is correct how come they never recalled Sdrol or M1T? We are all very aware of what that stuff does.
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thebigt
Legend
if you can handle the yohimbine, check out blue up stim formula. that stuff had me wired on half the recommended dose. 2 caps-damn.
Bionic
Well-known member
To whom are you referring?
bobwasnick
New member
I ordered some SX, but I doubt it will even ship... if it doesnt I will try Methly Ice since thats what Nutraplanet recommends next. I was recommended SX after Hydroxycut Hardcore got recalled. I rem when I got SX HH was such a waste. Unless anyone can recommend something better. I dont wanna hear routine diet and exercise my god!!!!
thebigt
Legend
no one wants to give up their favorites for fear the fda might go after that next.
bobwasnick
New member
Yea its a shame the FDA and government are a bunch of crooks. I'm not sayin SX isnt bad for humans. I just read how people are buying raw milk and the feds WONT let them bring it across a state line where its legal to sell to a state where its not. The United States is becoming a horrible place to live prob has been for years. Im glad people are waking up and realizing this. Drug companys dont want it cause its another natural way to cure sickness. It's amazing how the Governement will accuse someone of distributing so called "harmful" things when in reality some stuff isnt so harmful exactly the opposite. Yet they continue to distribute harmful milk, alcohol is legal, cigerattes, and still learning about aspartame which is in diet drinks I suppose among other things. The government was established to protect us not control us. If I wanna get the swine flu who are they to tell me I cant? I've even read the vaccine contains what is "the spanish flu". So there giving you another disease? to cure disease? Another money scam just like Drug test.
Steveoph
NutraPlanet NinjaMonkey Rep
If it hasn't shipped out from us yet, it shouldn't. A CSR should contact you about a refund or switching for another product.
thebigt
Legend
don't confuse our country with the people running it. our country is still the best on earth, it is the knuckleheads running things that is the problem.
bobwasnick
New member
It was from another site & if/when they do tell me it wont happen I'm going back to nutraplanet who I am very satisfied with business wise and order some Methyl Ice.Yea your right the United States is a beautiful place I plan on living in FL,CA or Cananda one day but I hate cold weather. I was reminded of that this morning.
GoHardOrGoHme
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thebigt
Legend
that is a load of crap, jim put his balls in the vise to let us know what he knew. jim knew he was going to take heat coming on here and did it anyways. many times company reps don't know much more about whats going on than we consumers do. it's not like jim went out of his way to defend the company or it's product's, jim is a good guy and deserves respect for at least facing the music. those people that wrote that are just insuring that the next time no rep will ever have balls enough to step forward. i call bullshiit!
Iron Lungz
Banned
I made a comment over there... Jim should not be called out.
Iron Lungz
Banned
They are clearly biased over there; my post was rejected. What a load of crap!
jim623
Guest
All I was trying to do is keep you guys informed, even though I didn't know anymore than any of you. Bad judgement call on my part I guess.
strategicmove
Legend
You have my respect, my friend! :thumbsup:
jim623
Guest
Thank for your support guys, it is GREATLY appreciated.
Was it a rookie mistake on my part to try an keep things smooth?
thebigt
Legend
jim, in a world of marble balls, you have beachballs for taking the heat. you deserve respect, not bashing. by calling you out, those douche bags have just discouraged any rep in the future from ever speaking out. those fools have done us all a dis-service! there are people here that know you, and have your back.:cheers:
hardknock
Well-known member
I got lost somewhat but did you say that raw milk cures all diseases???
hardknock
Well-known member
Shyyyat is hitting the fan, hard.
This is the type of crap that you do not want, someone twisting words and adding their own meaning.......nothing good can come of those quotes....
marco wolf
Member
No, but ATG back squats do.
thebigt
Legend
jim knows we got his back, they come over here spewing that crap they gonna git hit with they own shiit.:zx11pissed:
matthias7
Well-known member
Thread has become really informative.... not.
Against SX
The basic concern over SX is whether the 'stim' in it isn't actually a stim but some sort of methylphenidate type compound with a very long half life. These are reuptake inhibitors in the dopamine pathway, i.e. pretty serious stuff. Desoxypipradrol was the theory put forward earlier in the thread because it has a long half-life. These however aren't as dangerous as stuff like Adderall, I'm assuming this is amphetamine based, which cause high dependency and with abuse neuro-degeneracy. That stuff is extremely dangerous particularly when antagonizing dopamine. A reuptake inhibitor though ain't in that league, it will produce withdrawl however and for long term users this could be severe. Norephinephrine reuptake though is harmless - it'll just make you tired and a good dose of caffeine will clear this up. SO in worse case scenario it sure ain't toxic. Long term use ain't advised and withdrawl should be gradual - but thats not the same thing as being toxic.
Why is this suspected? Because SX has no competitors, it has an all day long effect and slow release sulbutiamine (syn. B1) clearly by itself is unlikely to be so give this effect, from personal experience. Synthetic B1 is an prescription drug used for chronic fatigue syndrome.
For SX
SX in this thread claimed to have developed an analogue of proline (I think) which they were protecting as a trade secret. In other words it AX would argue the potency of SX was due to the novel use of an amino acid analogue. They could well be correct. I don't know the unique neuro-chemistry of this stuff, but normally a compound is modified to help it get across the blood-brain barrier.
GHB is a case in point - dangerous... yes, it is in fact modified GABA. The modification enables to get into the brain. GABA on the other can't. GHB proponents argue there corner relentlessly, it was OTC.
The thread has become a mud-slinging match when the reality is the worse case is that its toxicity is less way, way less than Adderall and would probably be safer than Ritalin, viz. instant effect short half-life are dependency hazzards. I've never used either.
You could of course argue that because ephedrine is under restricted usage - which is alot safer than any of the above and may not have any dependency associated with it, so anything stronger should be out of bounds. It could be that like ephedrine becomes dangerous (to the heart) in a ECA stack, so could SX - then so could any fat-burner.
It could be of course that AX are perfectly correct.
We just don't know.
Just my 2 cents.
Against SX
The basic concern over SX is whether the 'stim' in it isn't actually a stim but some sort of methylphenidate type compound with a very long half life. These are reuptake inhibitors in the dopamine pathway, i.e. pretty serious stuff. Desoxypipradrol was the theory put forward earlier in the thread because it has a long half-life. These however aren't as dangerous as stuff like Adderall, I'm assuming this is amphetamine based, which cause high dependency and with abuse neuro-degeneracy. That stuff is extremely dangerous particularly when antagonizing dopamine. A reuptake inhibitor though ain't in that league, it will produce withdrawl however and for long term users this could be severe. Norephinephrine reuptake though is harmless - it'll just make you tired and a good dose of caffeine will clear this up. SO in worse case scenario it sure ain't toxic. Long term use ain't advised and withdrawl should be gradual - but thats not the same thing as being toxic.
Why is this suspected? Because SX has no competitors, it has an all day long effect and slow release sulbutiamine (syn. B1) clearly by itself is unlikely to be so give this effect, from personal experience. Synthetic B1 is an prescription drug used for chronic fatigue syndrome.
For SX
SX in this thread claimed to have developed an analogue of proline (I think) which they were protecting as a trade secret. In other words it AX would argue the potency of SX was due to the novel use of an amino acid analogue. They could well be correct. I don't know the unique neuro-chemistry of this stuff, but normally a compound is modified to help it get across the blood-brain barrier.
GHB is a case in point - dangerous... yes, it is in fact modified GABA. The modification enables to get into the brain. GABA on the other can't. GHB proponents argue there corner relentlessly, it was OTC.
The thread has become a mud-slinging match when the reality is the worse case is that its toxicity is less way, way less than Adderall and would probably be safer than Ritalin, viz. instant effect short half-life are dependency hazzards. I've never used either.
You could of course argue that because ephedrine is under restricted usage - which is alot safer than any of the above and may not have any dependency associated with it, so anything stronger should be out of bounds. It could be that like ephedrine becomes dangerous (to the heart) in a ECA stack, so could SX - then so could any fat-burner.
It could be of course that AX are perfectly correct.
We just don't know.
Just my 2 cents.
hardknock
Well-known member
Jim, I think it is best that from now on you should deliver all and any with a handshake .... once I get home today to my computer, ill let you know what that means...at this point, things are getting out of hand.
I commend you for your efforts but this thing could get REAL nasty, REAL quick for you man.
Iron Lungz
Banned
Recalling a product involves money... a lot of money. Do you think they would do that if they didn't find it to be illegal? And where are they?
hardknock
Well-known member
I am not seeing how toxic it is or isn't removes legal ramifications? This is the partt that AX should be concerned about along with how toxic it is.
If it has an illegal or script like substance, it's going to be very ugly.
Steveoph
NutraPlanet NinjaMonkey Rep
Matthias have you seen the GC/MS data? There's a very good thread "over there" in the supplement science that delves quite thoroughly into the issues. I won't get into the specifics, but there is almost no safety data on D2PM so I think your statement of "worse case scenario it sure ain't toxic" isn't substantiated.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
How they are handling the situation.
UGHQTempus
Member
Sold a product with an ingredient not on the label.
Even if everyone is perfect, that is a no-no.
And things aren't perfect. Enough people, myself included, have had problems coming off. This stuff is laced.
Does it work: yes.
Did I want enough information to make an intelligent decision: hell yes.
supersize77
Member
I agree, it's laced, but if I may ask, what "problems" did you experience coming off?
matthias7
Well-known member
Its just my 2 cents. My concern is could be damage my health? Based on what I wrote my conclusion is no. I've not looked into the point Steveoph has raised.
The UK legal system isn't the US system. What I personally think is.... no, I'm not getting drawn into this any further. As I say its just my 2 cents
matthias7
Well-known member
Could you some provide the link or PM? I'm not sure what "over there" is, so I can't comment till I read it.
hardknock
Well-known member
On that site with all the kids and fools, but some very great info if in fact you dig through the garbage.
bobwasnick
New member
WoW! It shipped this is probably gonna be my last bottle... I hope I dont die hahaha. I prob shouldnt be saying this either so... Everything I just stated is a lie and fabricated.
buffb2
Member
Why do I have to show you anything? I'm not your secretary.
There is only 1 person who has mentioned meth or crack in the Slim X discontiued thread.
thebigt
Legend
just curious, is that you in your avi?
Bionic
Well-known member
Don't accuse me of things I didn't do. I never said that SX contained crack or meth. If you knew how to read you'd understand that. Since you're accusing me, show where I did, otherwise keep my screen name and any references to me out of your posts.
bobwasnick
New member
Dude! She lets call that person "she" cause the avatar. She said MENTIONED! Maybe you need to learn to read and YOU did mention meth. I hope she is a girl that would be even better. Why are you so concerned with what others put in their body? I'm completely with anyone who says it was wrong to note put this "substance" on a label. But lets just let it be. It is what it is and nothing will change. I'm sure theres millions of unknown and unlabled substances being put into food,pills,etc. as we speak and nothing nor noone is going to solve this problem. Why cant we all get along?
thebigt
Legend
bob, have a cup of coffee and sober up dude.:saroll:
bobwasnick
New member
HaHa. I never know if your joking with me or not. I just dont get why hes gotta argue over something so dumb, but I guess he has a point I wouldnt wanna be accused of something I didnt say either but in fact the person said mention and never accused him of anything than he goes and says that person cant read cmon? Anyways it shipped im getting it tomorrow. I too am not a body builder. I dont know what its called but I workout using my body and the only weights I use are dumbells but this is a great community.
Bionic
Well-known member
MYOFB, Bob. This goes back to post #518 & 561. But again, this is none of your business.