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Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

MYOFB, Bob. This goes back to post #518 & 561. But again, this is none of your business.

Hey Idiot! Welcome to the internet everything on here is everyones business if you dont want opinions then you shouldnt have posted period. Guess what theres nothing you can do about it either. Learn to read and stop being such an ass.
 
Really bob? "Idiot"? 17 posts and you already break forum rules? This has nothing to do with you. Oh and something has been done about it.
 
Really bob? "Idiot"? 17 posts and you already break forum rules? This has nothing to do with you. Oh and something has been done about it.

w/e dude honestly. I will not not debate for the sake of my account. Far as rep goes I could care less....
 
I agree, it's laced, but if I may ask, what "problems" did you experience coming off?

Chest pain and trouble breathing for about 4-5 days. At the peak it felt like someone had tightened a belt around my heart and lungs for a few hours straight. For the last 36 hrs it just felt like the area around the heart was swollen and inflamed. After that things were fine.

Minor effects that might be linked. Blurry vision. nausea when eating, shortness of breath.

I ended up skipping the gym for 10 days. When I finally went in that the end my workout was crap. Endurance was in the toilet. Numbers were down across the board.

Things are fine now - one additional week later.
 
Chest pain and trouble breathing for about 4-5 days. At the peak it felt like someone had tightened a belt around my heart and lungs for a few hours straight. For the last 36 hrs it just felt like the area around the heart was swollen and inflamed. After that things were fine.

Minor effects that might be linked. Blurry vision. nausea when eating, shortness of breath.

I ended up skipping the gym for 10 days. When I finally went in that the end my workout was crap. Endurance was in the toilet. Numbers were down across the board.

Things are fine now - one additional week later.

Wow that sucks; pretty scary too. It defiitely sounds different than run-of-the-mill stimulant withdraws.

I take a couple leftover SX pills from time to time , and I don't think occasional use will be problematic, but your post makes me reconsider. If this thing turns out the way it looks, AX's audacity, deceit, and complete disrespect for customers is mind-boggling!!! If it's true, someone should do time fo sho.
 
On that site with all the kids and fools, but some very great info if in fact you dig through the garbage.

Okay got it BB. Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) is the stuff in question. I'd never heard of it.

Mechanism of action, haven't a clue. Looks like its smashing into dopamine pathway. Toxic? Well if thats the stuff I would have thought so, one case report of toxicity. Generally if things are just smashing out dopamine and churning it out then good chance of neuro-toxicity.

Is this in SX? Not sure where the basis of this idea came from. Obviously if it is then there is trouble and yes its scary. If it isn't then its just a big scare.

I honestly can't believe an experimental antagonist(?) like this would be in there.
 
The idea is that I'd like to get to the bottom of the whole SX thing. I've been following this product and used it for a while.

Okay I see, what AX are calling a proline-analogue...others are interpreting it differently:
now, what they call "Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene" other people say may be the same chemical substance / molecule as the one introduced in this thread title: DIPHENYLMETHYLPYRROLIDINE.

What this post goes on to say is D2PM is a NDRI like pipradrol. Okay not too bad. The difference is that pipradrol has been clinically tested.

More from BB website below. This however is very unlikely to be true...
Originally Posted by BioCellularEnigma (BB)
Supposing it were originally meant for cocaine withdrawal and withdrawn for reasons other than health,
No its actually one of the few drugs where there isn't a pharmacological exit. There's been lots of stuff touted but nothing has come out good. Just to be a bit more specific lots of dopamine agonists have been tried for this and come out blank.

Dunno smoke and mirrors? What is clear is that the proline-analogue is what this debate is all about. Looking at the chemistry of D2PM though it doesn't look much like proline to me, I could be wrong and don't wanna check it out.
 
The idea is that I'd like to get to the bottom of the whole SX thing. I've been following this product and used it for a while.

Okay I see, what AX are calling a proline-analogue...others are interpreting it differently:


What this post goes on to say is D2PM is a NDRI like pipradrol. Okay not too bad. The difference is that pipradrol has been clinically tested.

More from BB website below. This however is very unlikely to be true...

No its actually one of the few drugs where there isn't a pharmacological exit. There's been lots of stuff touted but nothing has come out good.

Dunno smoke and mirrors? What is clear is that the proline-analogue is what this debate is all about. Looking at the chemistry though it doesn't look much like proline to me, I could be wrong and don't wanna check it out.

I see what you are saying. Valid point.
 
Chest pain and trouble breathing for about 4-5 days. At the peak it felt like someone had tightened a belt around my heart and lungs for a few hours straight. For the last 36 hrs it just felt like the area around the heart was swollen and inflamed. After that things were fine.

Minor effects that might be linked. Blurry vision. nausea when eating, shortness of breath.

I ended up skipping the gym for 10 days. When I finally went in that the end my workout was crap. Endurance was in the toilet. Numbers were down across the board.

Things are fine now - one additional week later.

I'm glad things turned out fine for you. I'm still having breathing issues and I stop SX on the 9th. I used 2 pills a day for over a month when I started noticing my asthma like breathing issues. Tightness of my chest & slight wheezing through-out my day.

Been hoping once SX cleared my system, my issues would disappear but that hasn't been the case for me yet. Going to take some time off like you did.
 
I'm glad things turned out fine for you. I'm still having breathing issues and I stop SX on the 9th. I used 2 pills a day for over a month when I started noticing my asthma like breathing issues. Tightness of my chest & slight wheezing through-out my day.

Been hoping once SX cleared my system, my issues would disappear but that hasn't been the case for me yet. Going to take some time off like you did.

Hey H1, I think you would be best served going to a Dr. ASAP. If the symptoms have persisted this long, you could be doing yourself irreparable damage by waiting. I hope that isn't the case but why take the chance? I hope you make a full recovery, man.
And for anyone else that hasn't seen it, here's a post from a guy that suffered congestive heart failure(!!!)


Line Noise said:
I can report possible cardiotoxic side affects. I've been using this product daily since it was released (2 pills a day). A couple of months I started having "trouble breathing", "Elephant on my chest", Breathing that produced froth, Heart Palpitations, inability to sleep laying flat, raspy chest noises. Went to the the ER, BNP test confirmed Congestive Heart Failure. Ejection Fraction 10-15%, Left ventricle dilated (remodeled ). Luckily treatment has been very helpful and I seem be improving. I've changed my life completely. Sodium intake under 1G a day, quit smoking and drinking. But mostly I Thank god for Coreg. as it has greatly improved my heart function.

Thank you so much for discovering this "spiked" product.
 
I have also experienced the tightness of breathing and the wheezing, but once i stopped the product it went away withing a few days.
 
I think people should be allowed to take whatever and however much they want of anything as long as they know what it is they are taking....

This allows for natural selection to weed out those who, are as darwin would put it, less fit for survival
 
Originally Posted by Line Noise
I can report possible cardiotoxic side affects. I've been using this product daily since it was released (2 pills a day). A couple of months I started having "trouble breathing", "Elephant on my chest", Breathing that produced froth, Heart Palpitations, inability to sleep laying flat, raspy chest noises. Went to the the ER, BNP test confirmed Congestive Heart Failure. Ejection Fraction 10-15%, Left ventricle dilated (remodeled ). Luckily treatment has been very helpful and I seem be improving. I've changed my life completely. Sodium intake under 1G a day, quit smoking and drinking. But mostly I Thank god for Coreg. as it has greatly improved my heart function.

Thank you so much for discovering this "spiked" product.
This sounds/seems like a guy/lady, that may have had some severe problems prior or at least some underlying issues prior. Perhaps not, but from what Line Noise described, I would be willing to bet a small wager. Still doesn't change the fact that the "supplement" could have been spiked....

For all the big brothers that want to post shyyyat on media sites....I typed COULD HAVE BEEN SPIKED.....
 
I agree HK. I just posted that for the people that are having breathing issues/ongoing sides. Maybe this LN had previous issues, maybe not. I'm just saying that people feeling these symptoms should get checked out rather than hoping it just goes away.
 
Laced or not.. It works.. Time to stock up on the bottles left out there..

dang,.. guess that menas i must resort to crack, when its time to cut. I mean who cares if its bad and all, it works. And who cares if its illegal as long as it does the job right?
















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Ok so this is a first for me. Every bottle of SX I have ever receiced had a metallic silver cap. Where as the bottle I just received has a white cap? Probably no diff but if there is and anyone is aware of it can you inform me please? Thanks.
 
Why are you asking us? You said a few posts back that our thoughts do not matter. Contact AX and ask them... I'm sure that a stand-up company like that will answer your questions. :rolleyes:
Ok so this is a first for me. Every bottle of SX I have ever receiced had a metallic silver cap. Where as the bottle I just received has a white cap? Probably no diff but if there is and anyone is aware of it can you inform me please? Thanks.
 
Why are you asking us? You said a few posts back that our thoughts do not matter. Contact AX and ask them... I'm sure that a stand-up company like that will answer your questions. :rolleyes:

On what I take correct.... so.... yea.... Im simply asking if anyone knows why the cap tops are different colors? Why do people try to be a smartass and in the end do nothing but look dumb?
 
Ok so this is a first for me. Every bottle of SX I have ever receiced had a metallic silver cap. Where as the bottle I just received has a white cap? Probably no diff but if there is and anyone is aware of it can you inform me please? Thanks.
Mine have white caps and have a skull and cross bones printed on them.
 
well the reason for different coloring has to do how that particular cap absorbs or reflects light. Depending on what wavelenght it absorbs or reflects will cause it to vary in pigmentation.

Now white reflects all wavelengths of light causing it to appear white. Metallics have a characteristic sheen to them due to there chemical make up and allows them to reflect light causing it to be "shiny".
 
Negative. A dumb ass is defined by the actions that one does, and to be honest with you - you fit that bill.
On what I take correct.... so.... yea.... Im simply asking if anyone knows why the cap tops are different colors? Why do people try to be a smartass and in the end do nothing but look dumb?
 
dang,.. guess that menas i must resort to crack, when its time to cut. I mean who cares if its bad and all, it works. And who cares if its illegal as long as it does the job right?

I have taken 3 panel 10 tests and all came back negative. 2 of the tests i took caps that morning. 1 test i was off bottle cycle. Im pretty confident that there is no illegal compound or should i say at least what they commonly test for.

The silver tops mean its the original 500mg with the aniracetam. The white tops are 450mg and they added the apple cider vinegar minus the aniracetam. The Slim Xtreme Lite ( white caps) doesnt have the Aniracetam either.
 
well the reason for different coloring has to do how that particular cap absorbs or reflects light. Depending on what wavelenght it absorbs or reflects will cause it to vary in pigmentation.

Now white reflects all wavelengths of light causing it to appear white. Metallics have a characteristic sheen to them due to there chemical make up and allows them to reflect light causing it to be "shiny".

Not sure that he meant the scientific literal meaning of why they were that color....more along the lines of..."oh shhhyaaat, I think i got duped"...
 
dang,.. guess that menas i must resort to crack, when its time to cut. I mean who cares if its bad and all, it works. And who cares if its illegal as long as it does the job right?

I have taken 3 panel 10 tests and all came back negative. 2 of the tests i took caps that morning. 1 test i was off bottle cycle. Im pretty confident that there is no illegal compound or should i say at least what they commonly test for.

The silver tops mean its the original 500mg with the aniracetam. The white tops are 450mg and they added the apple cider vinegar minus the aniracetam. The Slim Xtreme Lite ( white caps) doesnt have the Aniracetam either.

Why would you say the reason is for people having so many odd side effects...most of which have been along the same lines.

I actually did not know that there were so many random threads floating around with people telling of the same or similar side effects. It seems as if it was feast or famine. Either they had no side effects or the effects were severe.
 
Not sure that he meant the scientific literal meaning of why they were that color....more along the lines of..."oh shhhyaaat, I think i got duped"...

sarcarsm is not your strong suite oh jedi...that or you took that post just as seriously as i was hoping he would take it

none-the-less.....i know he wasnt asking for it i was just being a smart @ss
 
I am new to all this… as in the use of supplements to reach a weight loss goal, and to posting something on a site where people can respond. I “thought” I had done my homework by reading about SX and thought I should give it a try. I ordered it on oct 11th and received it in the mail yesterday. Now that I look more closely I understand now that most of the reviews I read were posted by people paid to sell the product. I am smarter than that, but the mistake I did make. I need advice from people (like on this site) that are knowledgeable about products such as this. I took my first pill this morning and everything has been fine, no problems. I got online tonight to find out that I am taking a product I shouldn’t be. Should I be worried? I am tired of working out and eating right with no results. I was hoping this would give me the boost I need. Do I need to give up on this, or is this being blown way out of proportion?
 
It is a concern, but overly stated IMO at this point.

You have a relatively unknown ingredient, the toxicity of which has not been disclosed/there is little information on. There has been a LOT of speculation its toxic. Why? Best I can tell because of a related cousin compound that hospitalized a non-athlete that consumed alongside other street drugs.

Call me a skeptic but that's a stretch. It may very well be that the compound in SX is safe or "safer" than its toxic cousin, which more or may not be given it was consumed alongside other street drugs. We just don't know yet.
 
Okay lets put it another way.

If they are using a "party pill" - thats very different.

Normally the OTC US market is known for picking up stuff that pharmaceutical companies have dropped or where the patents run out etcc... (sulbutiamine is a good example). They also use stuff developed by the Russions (pyritol and GABA-B3 - I've forgotten the name are good examples). I thought the stuff used in SX was junked by the companies developing Ritalin type compounds - thats what I thought worse case scenario is.

The rumours are circulating around party pills or 'legal highs'. This is a very dodgy area of law indeed and only exists because its legally difficult to enforce. What happens is a backstreet chemist will take and illegal drug and chemically alter it, hoping it will have the same effect but because the legislation was set up around the exact illegal chemistry the law no longer applies. The reallity the legal substance could be more dangerous than the illegal substance.

If AX were doing that:
a) Fitness culture is entirely the opposite to rave-culture. I don't like the slightest bit of association at all.
b) The rave-culture chemist is only checking out what 'effect' the party pill has on its youth market. Not what damage it will cause. Rave-culture knows this stuff can junk them.
c) If AX got away with this (if thats what they have done) it would open the floodgates to a VERY dark age of supplement "R&D".
d) Thats exactly why BB & Nutra have taken such drastic action. Their reputations are on the line.

US OTC uses some potent stuff - we know the risks and how to minimize them. We also know the benefits. Yohimbine HCL is a drug used to counter adverse sides of ssri. US supplements use it to boost libido and as a general stim. ... Fine we know exactly was this stuff does, its an antagonist so no real problem. This ain't the same thing as dumping a product in your fat-burner that a back-street chemist has developed. What about the synergistic effects/damage?

If these rumours are true I don't quite think you understand what is going on in Europe right now and what a massive concern and legal headache this creates. At the very least rave-culture know what they are doing is risky, if that fed-into "health supplements" it jeopardizes the whole boat.

However there is no verdict but the allegation is serious.
 
I am tired of working out and eating right with no results.

If you are eating/training right, then results will be there. You need to make your way to the Nutrition and Training Sub-Forums rather than trying to find a magic pill (because there isn't one).
 
Anyone remember the Syntrax thing a while back? Yeah... :rolleyes:


EDIT: Here is the FAQ on their web-site... Note that they continue to say that NO Reports of adverse reactions have been reported.
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
1) Why have we decided to voluntarily recall the product?
a) We have made the decision to voluntarily recall the product as a precautionary measure due to claims that an ingredient in the product may be deemed to not comply with certain applicable regulatory provisions. The law is not clear as to this issue, but we felt it appropriate to take this proactive step as we look into the issue.
2) Have there been any serious adverse reactions to this product?
a) We have not received any reports of serious adverse events associated with this product
3) What federal law provisions are in question?
a) A law called DSHEA (Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act) governs the manufacturing, sale and distribution of dietary supplement products. We believed that this product was in compliance with those rules and regulations, but due to questions that have recently arisen and the recent pronouncements by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration, we felt it appropriate to take the actions we are taking.
4) What were the speculations?
a) There have been scandalous and damaging comments made in multiple online discussion forums based on conjecture about the formula. Suggestions were made that SX contained meth or phentermine or even, absurdly, cocaine and that it MUST contain an illegal drug since it works so well. We believe these allegations are false. However, due to the intensity of the speculation we felt that extraordinary precaution was necessary.
5) Which ingredient is creating the concern?
a) We have a very novel custom-formulated amino acid (proline) ingredient in the product, identified on the packaging as phenyl-pyrrolindynltoulene. This ingredient is very unique, and its interaction with the other ingredients is what makes the product so effective. However, because that ingredient is so unique, the bulk of our efforts are focused on the analysis of that ingredient.
6) Is it safe?
a) Like all dietary supplements, or for that matter, all prescription drugs, there is always a risk of an adverse interaction in any human being. Having said that, we believe our product is safe and we have had not received any report of a serious adverse event. Our focus on extraordinary caution is based on the allegations that have been made and the time it will take to look into them. As a result, we are advising everyone to stop taking it immediately and to follow the procedure outlined below for returns.
7) Will I get a refund if I return my purchase?
a) All partially or totally unused products in original packaging will be given a full refund or, if preferred, a credit or exchange.
8) I purchased my product from your site, how do I return it?
9) Follow the procedures outlined in the posted letter. Initially send an email to [email protected]. You will be given an auto-reply which will contain the instructions necessary to return the product.
10) I purchased my product from another retailer, how do I return it?
a) Since we sell through distributors, we are not aware of all the retailers selling our products. We have notified all distributors and requested that they notify their retail customers. Once everyone is notified, all retailers will accept returns for refunds or exchanges If you purchased through another retailer, please allow a week or so for all to be notified.
 
Iron Lungs- technically there is a difference between an actual reported issue and someone saying "I went to the ER suffering phychosis from this product alone"

We have to apply the same logic when someone makes an extreme complaint as we do when someone makes an extreme compliment "I put on 40 pounds of muscle and no fat in 5 weeks". You have to apply the same scrutiny in proof. Now if someone posted their ER visit and resulting diagnosis, then I apologize.
 
I am fully aware of the differences. From what I was told, several people put written complaints in to their Head Quarters for various ill-sided effects. Is this known to be truth? No. Do I trust the random person who states they have? No. At the same time, do I trust AX’s word? No.

It’s all speculation at this point; however, I’ve seen enough threads about such bad reactions and the way AX always treated the issue, so my judgment is based off of their statements made to the people that brought up their concerns.

Iron Lungs- technically there is a difference between an actual reported issue and someone saying "I went to the ER suffering phychosis from this product alone"

We have to apply the same logic when someone makes an extreme complaint as we do when someone makes an extreme compliment "I put on 40 pounds of muscle and no fat in 5 weeks". You have to apply the same scrutiny in proof. Now if someone posted their ER visit and resulting diagnosis, then I apologize.
 
I am fully aware of the differences. From what I was told, several people put written complaints in to their Head Quarters for various ill-sided effects. Is this known to be truth? No. Do I trust the random person who states they have? No. At the same time, do I trust AX’s word? No.

It’s all speculation at this point; however, I’ve seen enough threads about such bad reactions and the way AX always treated the issue, so my judgment is based off of their statements made to the people that brought up their concerns.

Not to mention the method of avoiding the situation all together.
 
sarcarsm is not your strong suite oh jedi...that or you took that post just as seriously as i was hoping he would take it

none-the-less.....i know he wasnt asking for it i was just being a smart @ss

I've not read many of your posts so I did not know if you were just jerking him or not....
 
Anyone remember the Syntrax thing a while back? Yeah... :rolleyes:


EDIT: Here is the FAQ on their web-site... Note that they continue to say that NO Reports of adverse reactions have been reported.

Unreal man, just takes my breath away.
 
I stand by my original statement... Feel free making 10 more pages repeating the same thing said in the first 5 if that makes you feel more vindicated.
 
That and offering to pay for another person's flight ticket in order to get them face to face so they can 'whip their a&&es', all in all a very poor attempt at handling the situation.

They said they received no reports. someone would have to be insane to believe that there were no reports...maybe not after the server was purged or mail dumped then possible.
 
you know jay kinda has a point....

this thread is 22 pages long....how many ways can it be said that a supp company should divulge all ingredients to their products?

And this isnt the first supp "scandal". Heck i think we all agree dispite our differences that everyone SHOULD know what they are putting into their body. Now will knowledge of a "potentially" dangerous compound stop some people? Obviously not, but I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO THAT CONVO AGAIN haha.
 
you know jay kinda has a point....

this thread is 22 pages long....how many ways can it be said that a supp company should divulge all ingredients to their products?

And this isnt the first supp "scandal". Heck i think we all agree dispite our differences that everyone SHOULD know what they are putting into their body. Now will knowledge of a "potentially" dangerous compound stop some people? Obviously not, but I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO THAT CONVO AGAIN haha.

Eh... its more of a conversation... we are on a message board, who cares if the page count is 134538 long?
 
Eh... its more of a conversation... we are on a message board, who cares if the page count is 134538 long?


Ok when you put it that way


Maybe we should keep going till the thread hits 100!


Does anyone know if the FDA has raided or is investigating any other companies?
 
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