Women...

Yeah, but from what I've read you seem comfortable with who you are. My guess he's talking about a smaller subset of women who are like you, but stressing over why they are not like their mothers: married young, ten kids, huge family, etc., etc., etc. This leads to static.

Women these days are more independent but often don't know how to handle it, like a stay at home dad dusting with a leaf blower. Today's woman has society telling her she can do anything she wants and have everything she wants, reality telling her something very different, that being that all actions have opportunity costs. They feel they can take care of themselves but modern feminism tells theym they are perpetual victims. Empowered ad victims at the same time. There's mixed messages on what is attractive, and what's worse women's confusion leaves guys worse off because we, tending to be more rational and straight forward in our thought processes, can't make heads or tails out what ever the **** it is you guys are doing.

**** will settle down eventually. But I think one thing is definitely true, and that is a lot of women after years of being told they should be independent and empowered are now looking for a guy and a long term relationship, and having waited quite a while and having massively over estimated their value on the meat market, are still surprised Brad Pitt isnt falling all over them with marriage proposals. Roger Devlin's got a bead on some of what's going on, though I think he's a bit extreme in some of his judgements.

Totally agree with everything you've said champ except that the comfortable, happy in her own skin 30-something female is the smaller subset as opposed to the rule (Kudos to you, if only there were more like you). I would also like to point out that there is a VAST difference between your average 30-something year old female saying they're happy and balanced etc and that actually being the case (Not that I'm saying you're lying, it's a generalisation). That's touching on your first post there CDB. :D

A good example of what you've said is that one of the biggest examples of the mass media ideas around modern feminism - Sex In The City (My ex watched it religiously) - ends in a movie in which SJP (Or as I describe her He-man in a mini-skirt) ends up desperately wanting to be married & settled down etc.

It's the whole, "Why haven't I been rescued yet?!" just as you described. Then when a guy comes along they play the role of the balanced, rational, easy going, supportive, nymphomaniac, and then after a period of time (Could be 3 minutes, could be 3 months) the crazy comes out to play, guy runs away, rinse, repeat.

Most people have or will know of an unmarried female in their broader circle of friends who acts like this. They are VERY hard work in a social situation.
 
A good example of what you've said is that one of the biggest examples of the mass media ideas around modern feminism - Sex In The City (My ex watched it religiously) - ends in a movie in which SJP (Or as I describe her He-man in a mini-skirt) ends up desperately wanting to be married & settled down etc.

Agreed with one proviso: women want a wedding, long term they could care less about being married. At least the psycho type we're discussing here.

It's the whole, "Why haven't I been rescued yet?!" just as you described. Then when a guy comes along they play the role of the balanced, rational, easy going, supportive, nymphomaniac, and then after a period of time (Could be 3 minutes, could be 3 months) the crazy comes out to play, guy runs away, rinse, repeat.

Most people have or will know of an unmarried female in their broader circle of friends who acts like this. They are VERY hard work in a social situation.

No argument these women exist, I just like to think for the sake of sanity that most are more or less balanced.
 
But I think one thing is definitely true, and that is a lot of women after years of being told they should be independent and empowered are now looking for a guy and a long term relationship, and having waited quite a while and having massively over estimated their value on the meat market, are still surprised Brad Pitt isnt falling all over them with marriage proposals.

somehow what immediately came to mind as i read this was Gloria Steinem's rant against Sarah Palin. What is more feminist than a woman who chooses to hunt and clean wild game, and chooses to have and raise a downs syndrome child?
 
Agreed with one proviso: women want a wedding, long term they could care less about being married. At least the psycho type we're discussing here.



No argument these women exist, I just like to think for the sake of sanity that most are more or less balanced.

I'll pay the wedding part.

Going by all the stories in this thread I'd say that the majority are the other way inclined but I don't blame you for liking to think that way, I like to think that way too. Just the older I get the more evidence I see to the contrary. :)
 
your joking right??????? actually us older girls, myself being 34, havent been married, no kids working on my second degree and in the end, much happier.....................

No, no hes not. You have missed the mark by 4 years, time to get your will started, and google up some retirement homes. Your time has passed.
 
somehow what immediately came to mind as i read this was Gloria Steinem's rant against Sarah Palin. What is more feminist than a woman who chooses to hunt and clean wild game, and chooses to have and raise a downs syndrome child?

Steinem and the mainstream modern feminist movement has never been anything but an adjunct to the Democratic party. The ability to choose for women is not what they stand for, they want women to take a certain path, period. They have never been anything but an exclusive ideological movement and couldn't give a **** less about women in general or in specific cases if thier choices fall outside what is expected of mainstread feminism.
 
wow............I am speechless at the amount of BS I have read in this thread............ I believe this all started with a post from zerov.......... I wish you well, concentrate on you for now...........as long as your happy, life is good.....:)


TC
 
No, no hes not. You have missed the mark by 4 years, time to get your will started, and google up some retirement homes. Your time has passed.


WOW is all I can say!!! nice to know even at 39, guys are still tools........I am so much happier single!!!!!! I wont respond to another post in this thread it's a waste of time.............
 
WOW is all I can say!!! nice to know even at 39, guys are still tools........I am so much happier single!!!!!! I wont respond to another post in this thread it's a waste of time.............

I hate being single. Although I'm used to it because I havn't had a lot of relationships.
 
there are good women in every age bracket, and bad ones too :D Its true though, that men and women don't tend to hit emotional maturity until at least their 30s.

That's the truest thing that's been posted in this thread.
 
No, no hes not. You have missed the mark by 4 years, time to get your will started, and google up some retirement homes. Your time has passed.
WOW is all I can say!!! nice to know even at 39, guys are still tools........I am so much happier single!!!!!! I wont respond to another post in this thread it's a waste of time.............

I can't directly speak for rugger48, but I think he was making a joke...
 
Yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell here minus voice inflection and facial expression.
 
Very true, that's why if nothing else it's best to use a ;) or just blatantly say *joking*

Ok, off topic, I find it weird that there's no cursing allowed here but this is in the smilies:

:gay:
 
WOW is all I can say!!! nice to know even at 39, guys are still tools........I am so much happier single!!!!!! I wont respond to another post in this thread it's a waste of time.............


You actually took that seriously. do you really think thats my opinion on women.
 
WOW is all I can say!!! nice to know even at 39, guys are still tools........I am so much happier single!!!!!! I wont respond to another post in this thread it's a waste of time.............

It's nice to know it's true that at 39 women are dried up hags.

See, real nice when someone makes a generalization like that even when it's demonstrably not true, ain't it? If you honestly think the varied opinions here qualify men in general as tools, then you actually fall closer to the stereotype we're discussing than I had originally thought. I've seen this so many times; one or more guys bring up a perfectly valid complaint about one woman or a subset of women, and some woman busts in and decides they all have 'a problem with women' and makes some bull**** statement about 'all men...' being this or that. To any thinking person this validates the stereotype the guys are discussing to begin with.

So here's a clue: women can be off their ****ing rockers and pricks just as much as men can be, and it's perfectly valid to discuss that, and people, men and women, are capable of doing so without assuming one whole half of the species is ****ed in the head. Or tools. Or bitches. Or whores. Or pigs. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Now bow out if you want. When you're capable of dealing with the fact that not all women are perfect and above and beyond all criticism and not all men are **** or 'tools', maybe come back and reread a bit.
 
I can't directly speak for rugger48, but I think he was making a joke...

Any person who hasn't been brainwashed knows that. But TC's reaction is so stereotypical it's funny. Wow, a couple guys have dared to assail the fortress of perfect and flawless womanhood. Something must be wrong with them. I mean, women can never be at fault, and can never be the butt of humor, and can never be considered anything but flawless gems cast before the swine of the male half of the species, who themselves are so busy sniffing each other's asses and throwing **** at each other that they barely qualify as human.

Modern woman! Eternal victim, infinitely empowered. Capable of anything, so long as the government picks up the tab of the opportunity cost. Sails and moves in the highest echelons of corporate dominance making command decisions day in and out that affect the lives of thousands, but who somehow still can't take an off color joke without flipping out, firing three quarters of the male staff and putting the rest through sensitivity training. Sexually free dynamo, forever unlaid though because she's so over valued herself on the meat market that the guys on her radar aren't even looking at her. Independent but demands alimony and child support. Etc. Etc. Etc. Women used to be a philosophical contradiction. They made it real now and wonder why so many people have trouble getting it.

Are all women like this? Not by a long shot. But enough to justify the stereo type I'd say.
 
This guy is the million dollar winner. Your girl wants to get banged and she's got another guy willing to do it. Im sorry to be blunt Zero but a 22 yr old male who doesnt want to have sex is a little odd. Religious girls like sex too.

wow............I am speechless at the amount of BS I have read in this thread............ I believe this all started with a post from zerov.......... I wish you well, concentrate on you for now...........as long as your happy, life is good.....:)


TC

Thanks, and LOL you guys and girls went crazy for a minute. Daaang!

Yeah I am preparing to secure a second job, and just work 2 jobs for a year(even if it kills me) to get out of debt, back into college full force, and get my degree!

Women are just something that is very on my mind. For many reasons. Most good! And of course the natural desire as well, but that has to be held.

But honestly, as a person who doesnt do fling dates, certain parts of the male anatomy HURT LIKE HELL when you dont get any for 2-3 years :sick: Especially when I am take something like DTHC or IGF-2+Drive....its just wrong, on so many levels. If I do a test cycle....:paranoid:

Also as a writer, all my friends who see my writings, idea, creativity are really pushing me to make a book...so maybe I can bunker down and have at lol. Who knows maybe I can get a best seller on the shelves ^.^
 
You need to find a partner who is on the same page as you, or you're screwed. It's that simple. I'd reconsider the sex thing too. Faith or not, I seriously doubt God wants any man or woman to go through that kind of suffering.
 
+1.

Think that's some good advice ZeroV. Also your targets get narrowed down by the no sex before marriage thing. Some chicks might find it cute to start with, but it'd wear off pretty quick and potentially they could move on for that reason alone.

Don't change what you do just on our say so though, just give it some thought.
 
Women are just something that is very on my mind. For many reasons. Most good! And of course the natural desire as well, but that has to be held.

But honestly, as a person who doesnt do fling dates, certain parts of the male anatomy HURT LIKE HELL when you dont get any for 2-3 years :sick: Especially when I am take something like DTHC or IGF-2+Drive....its just wrong, on so many levels. If I do a test cycle....:paranoid:

^

Explain something to me zero. You wont have sex due to faith but you will use steroids, and you post in the anabolic section giving advice on illegal drug use. Dont you find that a bit hypocritical?
 
all about older women, i used to date this 31 year old asian yoga instructor, hottest chick i've ever been with but i also have always had a thing for asian women.

i'll second the 25-30 as the prime age zone. haha.
 
You need to find a partner who is on the same page as you, or you're screwed. It's that simple. I'd reconsider the sex thing too. Faith or not, I seriously doubt God wants any man or woman to go through that kind of suffering.



+1.

Think that's some good advice ZeroV. Also your targets get narrowed down by the no sex before marriage thing. Some chicks might find it cute to start with, but it'd wear off pretty quick and potentially they could move on for that reason alone.

Don't change what you do just on our say so though, just give it some thought.

I think after all the posting in this thread, these two sum up and come to the closest resolution possible for the OP. Kudos.
 
You need to find a partner who is on the same page as you, or you're screwed. It's that simple. I'd reconsider the sex thing too. Faith or not, I seriously doubt God wants any man or woman to go through that kind of suffering.

God wouldn't desire that kind of suffering? You know how many missionaries have their innards ripped out, heads cut off, or families executed in front of them? Just because they had a Bible on them, and it was illegal in that country? Or how some of the greatest Christians died? I forget but one guy, back in the 1500-1600's had his stomach slit, then they put is intestines on a crankshaft, and kept turning it until it ripped his insides out while he was alive.

Just food for thought...How little of a sacrifice and how little it can be considered suffering that 'sex' is compared to...

But I do agree on the partner on the same page bit, most people(especially since I work in a warehouse) think I am completely insane when they find out I abstain from booty. Considering I am usually in great shape, confident, and damn sexy(lol) ^.^

But when I find my wife, it will be all the more special and intimacy will carry a real togetherness to it. Most of the girls I am interested have been with either zero guys, or sometimes one. It allows a mental connection of a level not common with people who have had many partners.

Explain something to me zero. You wont have sex due to faith but you will use steroids, and you post in the anabolic section giving advice on illegal drug use. Dont you find that a bit hypocritical?

That is because I find the governments interference unconstitutional. Like i said, some places having a Bible is grounds for execution... Just because its illegal by a, dictatorial unconstitutional corrupt organization touting itself as our government, does not force me to declare it wrong in my book.

Steroids can be used safely and effectively, its only illegal because of $$$ and an incapable average person who nowadays the average IQ has to be around...lets be generous, 50? IMO.

I mean, they are pushing for Vitamin B6 (P-5-P) to be illegal, so will it be wrong to still use it?

When this government makes a declaration, I am forced to suppress the desire to vomit, and that is pretty much its only effect on me. As long as I am a good person, I help people, and do what is right. The gov't can go off themselves. If I felt convicted about it, I wouldnt do it. But I cant find the scripture that says "Thou shalt not get ripped on da juice" but if I do...

My desires are to be a teacher,preacher,personal trainer, with musical and bi-lingual talents. As well as weight about 190-205 depending on the season ^.^
 
If they start making vitamins illegal and supplements and start controlling our food. Either A. I'll die, because I can't handle nonorganic food or free gluten, B. I'll leave the country where they allow supplements(what ever country codex has not reached yet) or C. Go to the gun shop and buy a rifle and eventually get shot and killed by the government.
 
If they start making vitamins illegal and supplements and start controlling our food. Either A. I'll die, because I can't handle nonorganic food or free gluten, B. I'll leave the country where they allow supplements(what ever country codex has not reached yet) or C. Go to the gun shop and buy a rifle and eventually get shot and killed by the government.

I like C, but lets live and overthrow!

How would you know considering you've never been with someone who has? You are just self-justifying.

From my mistake in the past me and her found out it was pretty powerful... And psychology supports that. Essentially there are chemical bonds formed through intimacy, many partners though often times makes that bond less and less powerful because it doesn't mean as much. You arent giving something special, you are just doing what you do, and if it wasn't with them, it would just be with someone else.

Look at divorce rates and how often spouses cheat nowadays compared to back when 1 or two partners in a lifetime was common practice.
 
That is because I find the governments interference unconstitutional. Like i said, some places having a Bible is grounds for execution... Just because its illegal by a, dictatorial unconstitutional corrupt organization touting itself as our government, does not force me to declare it wrong in my book.

Steroids can be used safely and effectively, its only illegal because of $$$ and an incapable average person who nowadays the average IQ has to be around...lets be generous, 50? IMO.

I mean, they are pushing for Vitamin B6 (P-5-P) to be illegal, so will it be wrong to still use it?

When this government makes a declaration, I am forced to suppress the desire to vomit, and that is pretty much its only effect on me. As long as I am a good person, I help people, and do what is right. The gov't can go off themselves. If I felt convicted about it, I wouldnt do it. But I cant find the scripture that says "Thou shalt not get ripped on da juice" but if I do...

My desires are to be a teacher,preacher,personal trainer, with musical and bi-lingual talents. As well as weight about 190-205 depending on the season ^.^

But I'm sure you can find scripture that says thou shall not break the law. I know your type very well.
 
I have a problem where I get too attached. I feel more confident saying I'm a virgin now that zero has said he is one. I don't feel alone. However, unlike zero I am not a virgin by choice. It just never happened. All the girls I've been with I was never with more then 2 months then they dump me. These have been younger girls 16 and 17. I haven't had a lot of experience. I have fooled around, gotten a bj but never had intercourse. I was going to get with this 18 year old but she went with some fat ass instead. I really think it's because I'm stuck in college and can't get money for a car. All girls I talk to always have a boyfriend I mean ALWAYS, or they live to far that I need a car to visit them. On top of that I've never been a ladies man. Hopefully no one here will judge me or be prickish. I have gotten more wise over the years. I could have lost it before, but to this fat chick **** that call me prideful, but if I'm going to loose it I need to be at least somewhat attracted to the girl....I introduced her to my friend he ****ed her and said he throw up afterward.

craigslist. you'll get laid.
 
From my mistake in the past me and her found out it was pretty powerful... And psychology supports that. Essentially there are chemical bonds formed through intimacy, many partners though often times makes that bond less and less powerful because it doesn't mean as much. You arent giving something special, you are just doing what you do, and if it wasn't with them, it would just be with someone else.

Look at divorce rates and how often spouses cheat nowadays compared to back when 1 or two partners in a lifetime was common practice.

So 1 example in your life means everyone is like that? And what in psychology supports that? not just Zero V's theory about chemical bonds, but something scientific. And why is the act of sex your primary "definer" of intimacy? I'd assume its only because you haven't had it. Sex isn't the most intimate thing you can do with another, and giving your heart is far more intimate than sharing bodily fluids, sorry.
 
I have a problem where I get too attached. I feel more confident saying I'm a virgin now that zero has said he is one. I don't feel alone. However, unlike zero I am not a virgin by choice. It just never happened. All the girls I've been with I was never with more then 2 months then they dump me. These have been younger girls 16 and 17. I haven't had a lot of experience. I have fooled around, gotten a bj but never had intercourse. I was going to get with this 18 year old but she went with some fat ass instead. I really think it's because I'm stuck in college and can't get money for a car. All girls I talk to always have a boyfriend I mean ALWAYS, or they live to far that I need a car to visit them. On top of that I've never been a ladies man. Hopefully no one here will judge me or be prickish. I have gotten more wise over the years. I could have lost it before, but to this fat chick **** that call me prideful, but if I'm going to loose it I need to be at least somewhat attracted to the girl....I introduced her to my friend he ****ed her and said he throw up afterward.

One more thing Derrick, why are you dating under aged girls. I think you should have f#cked the fat chick.
 
One more thing Derrick, why are you dating under aged girls. I think you should have f#cked the fat chick.

there is no possible way I could have gotten wood. When I dated the 16 year old I was 17 and when I dated the 17 year old I was 19.
 
Essentially there are chemical bonds formed through intimacy, many partners though often times makes that bond less and less powerful because it doesn't mean as much. You arent giving something special, you are just doing what you do, and if it wasn't with them, it would just be with someone else.

Which type of chemical bonds are you speaking about?
 
But I'm sure you can find scripture that says thou shall not break the law. I know your type very well.

You know not my kind at all, I am a hell of a freak of a hybrid you couldnt imagine ^.^ just keep an eye out for some of my more devious posts.

I have a problem where I get too attached. I feel more confident saying I'm a virgin now that zero has said he is one. I don't feel alone.

I am not a virgin at all mate, sorry lol. Me and my ex rocked out the poon for quite a few months before things fell though... Sorry...I am simply seeking to overcome weaknesses in the form of cravings of the flesh. We all make mistakes, and being with her, we were both virgins, creates such a damn craving now. Even worse she is married, and I am still single and suffering ^.^
 
Which type of chemical bonds are you speaking about?

So 1 example in your life means everyone is like that? And what in psychology supports that? not just Zero V's theory about chemical bonds, but something scientific. And why is the act of sex your primary "definer" of intimacy? I'd assume its only because you haven't had it. Sex isn't the most intimate thing you can do with another, and giving your heart is far more intimate than sharing bodily fluids, sorry.

Its not a Zero V theory. Its something I have learned repeatedly in psychology both from high school, and into college, as well as the realization about how chemicals affect the body.

Every emotion you feel is because of a chemical trigger or a chemical reaction. The catalyst of cause and effect in our minds.

And it works just like a "stimmed out" effect. Too much caffeine for too long and it doesn't do a damn thing but make you sleepy.

Sexual intercourse, at least the first few times, intensifies what feelings you have for a person, and creates chemical reaction induced bonds. If sex is something that you hold as sacred, and not a toy to be wasted on individuals, when you give that part of you to the other person it magnifies their importance to you, your heart, your mind by quite the number.

It is why in marriage you take the two candles, and merge them into one. Because you are no longer two beings, but one, one flesh together, an insuperable team in this world that will share their most sacred possessions with each other, themselves.

But if missy jane has been with the entire football team, and billy joe has been with eh entire cheerleader team, sex with each other is just...sex, something for fun they do all the time, and its not special because its not restricted.

Instead of begin a special climax of a romantic night of emotional and spiritual intimacy, it is something that you have done plenty of times before so it is not unique or special. It is simply a routine.

Each person you have intercourse with in essence takes a part of you with them, emotionally.

I wish we had a psychology major on here, because I dont want to dig up all the info on this. Its a psychological fact.

Not that people who have spent their bodies cant stil lbuild such things, its just harder. A person is never "jaded" if they dont waste themselves.

And besides, honestly, I like the emotional attachment these girls are capable of compared to every secular girl I have taken on a date...holy hell, especially since those who abstain are often "anti" materialistic as well. Because it takes self control, and a strong will to abstain from that. Its a strength most lack.

Relationships from the decades of the 50's and before were far superior and sound thant todays relationships. That cant be argued.
 
I have been married longer than most of you have been alive here. 26+
Take a good look at yourselves. Look at some of the stuff in here. You rant and complain there is no one out there for you. Clean your house, then look for a new buyer.
 
I have been married longer than most of you have been alive here. 26+
Take a good look at yourselves. Look at some of the stuff in here. You rant and complain there is no one out there for you. Clean your house, then look for a new buyer.

Hence why I am going to be going to 2 colleges for a few years ^.^

one for my BA in education, another for my BA in Ministry Leadership, all the while learning to be fluent in Spanish, finish learning the bass and guitar, pick up the drums, reach my physical goals, get certed as a personal trainer, and pay off my debts...

I am setting myself up for 2-3 years of hell, but I will certainly be a happy guy when its over ^.^
 
Youre all right Zero. You just need to get laid so you can unclutter your mind.

LOL. That is possibly quite true. I only had about 6 months of getting any in my entire life, with my ex. Then she warped me mentally quite well :laugh2:

Maybe I have low test or something. Actually a few years of depression because of her could have hurt test levels...i been thinking about that alot lately.
 
God wouldn't desire that kind of suffering? You know how many missionaries have their innards ripped out, heads cut off, or families executed in front of them? Just because they had a Bible on them, and it was illegal in that country? Or how some of the greatest Christians died? I forget but one guy, back in the 1500-1600's had his stomach slit, then they put is intestines on a crankshaft, and kept turning it until it ripped his insides out while he was alive.

Well either God wants it, and he's a prick, or he doesn't, and we're mislead. And I see no holiness equation that goes up just because a person doesn't get laid. I certainly see value in not throwing sex around like it's meaningless and whoring around, men or women. But I think there's a distinct difference a God who desires a little responsibility on the part of his creation, and one who sets the rules and desires in total opposition.

But I do agree on the partner on the same page bit, most people(especially since I work in a warehouse) think I am completely insane when they find out I abstain from booty. Considering I am usually in great shape, confident, and damn sexy(lol) ^.^

But when I find my wife, it will be all the more special and intimacy will carry a real togetherness to it.

Or you'll be unable to get it up and if you do, pop within three seconds. Either way would you consider it reasonable that in order to be intimate one has to know how to be intimate? The basics of ****ing come naturally, but the finer points... It's like McDonald's vs a 5 star Italian place.
 
I have been married longer than most of you have been alive here. 26+
Take a good look at yourselves. Look at some of the stuff in here. You rant and complain there is no one out there for you. Clean your house, then look for a new buyer.

A lot of **** can change in 26 years. Kudos to the duration of your stay with your spouse. So far I've only met two women I'd even consider marrying and it didn't work out in the end. Still talk to and love them both to death, but marriage ain't in the cards. And my criteria for marriage was very simple: they were rational and I felt I could trust them both long term. Very, very few women fit that mold, at least that I meet. And I know two happily married couples, the rest of the married people I know are either miserable, on their way there, and already cheating on each other.

I think it's perfectly acceptable that the human race is evolving and marriage, good though it was in its time, is not necessarily the deal it used to be. Women would get material security, men would get sex and heirs. Marriage is necessary for neither these days, nor are we necessarily monogamous by nature long term if any other primates are to be used as a guide. So it's perfectly possible that 26 years ago and today are totally different.

And the shift is primarily with women. They're the ones who are now independent and probably got the worst of the deal in marriage in the past. Now they are free to exercise their will as they want to, but whether that necessarily agrees with or benefits the world at large has yet to be seen, as are the adaptations we're all likely going to have to make. 'Cause it sure as **** isn't going away. I don't blame them for it, but modern women are insane and too unpredictable.

Perfect example: I used to work with this fat couple when I was younger. They were both short and tubby, perfect for each other really. At least I thought so. They had problems, she scored a divorce. She soaked him for half his income which wasn't much, their house, car, etc. What happened at work? She got high fives and congratulations. There was no abuse in their relationship, he was just a dud. Afterward, they celebrated her 'new independence' from him, conveniently ignoring that she was pulling half his salary, living in a house that was his before the marriage, and driving his car. And they were all so happy for her and saying she could get a 'real man' now. As if, free from his bonds, but enjoying a portion of his pay check of course, the last barriers between her and Brad Pitt had finally been removed and they could run away together...

Which leads to her radar screen. Plenty of guys on it, none of them would have a thing to do with her. Her gut hung over her crotch, she had pitted skin. She was not by anyone's judgement attractive, except to the one guy who she dumped, pillaged, and sent scuttling. Women look for and go after the top guys without realizing that the vast majority if not all of them are way out of their league, and with so many disproportionate offers even should they get him, he has no incentive to be faithful. Meanwhile mere mortal men who get careers and some material security get to consider themselves lucky if a woman deems them fit to marry. They get to spend a few grand on an over priced ring, go into hock to pay for a fantasy wedding, and then run a roughly 50% change of losing a chunk of their income, their house, most of their material possessions, along with losing any say in the raising of any kids who might enter into the equation in the interim, if he sneezes wrong one day and she files for divorce.

What a deal. Sign my ass up...

Why would a guy want to get married these days? We can have anything from a fling to a long term committed relationship without any issues legally or morally. If there are kids we're no worse or better off married. Meanwhile most divorces are initiated by women and result in a guy who looks like he got ****ed by a Mack truck. Too many women have expectations and desires which just don't match the reality of what an every day guy can deliver. So why should we try? Where's the benefit?
 
Sexual intercourse, at least the first few times, intensifies what feelings you have for a person, and creates chemical reaction induced bonds. If sex is something that you hold as sacred, and not a toy to be wasted on individuals, when you give that part of you to the other person it magnifies their importance to you, your heart, your mind by quite the number.

So basically you are saying it takes the rest of the relationship which really has nothing all that special about it, which becomes special solely because you saved your virginity for it? Thats so totally absurd its comical. Sex is icing on a cake, but its the cake that matters. A little less icing, a little more, who cares. If the icing matters that much, it means you don't care for the cake very much.

It is why in marriage you take the two candles, and merge them into one. Because you are no longer two beings, but one, one flesh together, an insuperable team in this world that will share their most sacred possessions with each other, themselves.

Sure, but again what does sharing bodily fluids have to do with that? Sharing your hearts, your dreams, your feelings is far more intimate, and far more important.

But if missy jane has been with the entire football team, and billy joe has been with eh entire cheerleader team, sex with each other is just...sex, something for fun they do all the time, and its not special because its not restricted.

Instead of begin a special climax of a romantic night of emotional and spiritual intimacy, it is something that you have done plenty of times before so it is not unique or special. It is simply a routine.

Again, not true at all, although I suppose it may be because of your limited experience, and not having been married. I can make the case for it being even more special in that case as you have now given yourself entirely to that person and they are the only person you'll have sex with the rest of your life.

Each person you have intercourse with in essence takes a part of you with them, emotionally.
maybe for you, not for the rest of the world.

And besides, honestly, I like the emotional attachment these girls are capable of compared to every secular girl I have taken on a date...holy hell, especially since those who abstain are often "anti" materialistic as well. Because it takes self control, and a strong will to abstain from that. Its a strength most lack.

That does sound nice, but do you think its possibly more about the secular girls you were attracted to and took out rather than a general rule?

Relationships from the decades of the 50's and before were far superior and sound thant todays relationships. That cant be argued.

Really? in the way that a man could have a woman put in an insane asylum for complaining? in the way that a man could rape his wife? or beat her? In the way that there was no way to get out of a failing relationship? In the way women were treated as second class citizens?
 
God wouldn't desire that kind of suffering? You know how many missionaries have their innards ripped out, heads cut off, or families executed in front of them? Just because they had a Bible on them, and it was illegal in that country? Or how some of the greatest Christians died? I forget but one guy, back in the 1500-1600's had his stomach slit, then they put is intestines on a crankshaft, and kept turning it until it ripped his insides out while he was alive.

Just food for thought...How little of a sacrifice and how little it can be considered suffering that 'sex' is compared to...

Kinda like to point out buddy that the level of suffering that has been inflicted upon Christians throughout history (Either individually or as a group) is wholey and utterly insignificant to the amount of blood and suffering they have spilled or inflicted in the name of religion. They've razed whole regions to the ground slaughtering everyone in sight, burned people alive, executed people by hanging, drawing & quartering them (Just as you described), inquisitions, crusades, genocide... You name it Christians have done it. With that same bible you mentioned clutched tightly between their God fearing fingers. I state this as a lapsed catholic, just in case you are considering my religious persuation.

As for your assertion that holding out until you find yourself a wife and it being so special blah blah blah (The televangelist 101 on sex)... I can't help but wonder if you'd see it that way if you meet a girl, love her to bits, she loves you, you get married, you start doing the deed and you're enjoying it and so is she... Then you find out that she's one of those girls who has been with a football team.

Perhaps your perspective on the issue would change somewhat dramatically. Perhaps you'd be uber-jealous and all bent out of shape and start abusing her and calling her a slut and/or become quite controlling, or you might feel like a douche for only have slept with one person before you got married and want to experiment more and broaden your horizons (With or without the bible in hand) or you'd shrug your shoulders and still be happy as Larry - what do you think would be more likely?

Sounds to me buddy that you are looking for yourself with tits and a vagina as opposed to actually looking for a partner. Just careful you don't go blind in the process.
 
Every emotion you feel is because of a chemical trigger or a chemical reaction. The catalyst of cause and effect in our minds.

This is more or less correct.

And it works just like a "stimmed out" effect. Too much caffeine for too long and it doesn't do a damn thing but make you sleepy.

This is not.

Sexual intercourse, at least the first few times, intensifies what feelings you have for a person, and creates chemical reaction induced bonds.

Yes, vis-a-vis Dopamine, Norepinepherine, Oxycotin, etc.

But if missy jane has been with the entire football team, and billy joe has been with eh entire cheerleader team, sex with each other is just...sex, something for fun they do all the time, and its not special because its not restricted.

No, wrong here again.

Instead of begin a special climax of a romantic night of emotional and spiritual intimacy, it is something that you have done plenty of times before so it is not unique or special. It is simply a routine.

No.

I wish we had a psychology major on here, because I dont want to dig up all the info on this. Its a psychological fact.

Well, given the fact you are speaking about the release of neurohormones and neurotransmitters, it would be a "physiological" fact, rather than "psychological" fact. This being said, I was never disputing the notion that hormonal fluctuations [may] play a role in the learned behavior of sex and intimacy, including long-term pair-bonding.

As in other adaptively-learned behaviors, these hormones seem to be involved in the restructuring of neuronal connectivity in response to a particular stimuli - in this case, the rewiring of areas involved in memory, motivation, emotion, pleasure and so forth in response to sex. (This rewiring in response to sex looks similar to the restructuring induced by addiction, by the way.) As a result, one "learns" that 'Action X' (:sex and intimate behavior) produces 'Favorable Response p' (: orgasm, feelings of fulfillment and intimacy, etc.) vis-a-vis the release of Dopamine, Oxycotin, etc., and is driven to seek this feeling again. (While much more intense, and much more emotive, the general process is the same type of self-satisfaction that occurs when learning a new skill, process, fact, etc.) This type of "learning" - involving the release of "feel-good" hormones, along with the physical pleasure of sex - is probably an evolutionary mechanism: incentivizing the passing of genetic material to multiple partners through fulfilling "emotions", ensuring the survival of the species.

Now, there is no evidence to suggest that this release of dopamine and/or norepinephrine and/or oxycotin diminishes with multiple, casual partners. To be truthful, much of the evidence I have seen claims that the more partners, and the more sex, the more powerful the release of these "feel-good" hormones over time; and again, this is probably an evolutionary mechanism. While the evidence points to this, it is a fairly intuitive notion as well: the body's "learning" of sex involves high levels of reward, and this reward-response ensures you will do it again to pass on your genes. In fact, you seem to have this whole issue backwards. These hormones actually precipitously decrease the more times you have sex with one individual, in inverse proportion to the release of alternate, complimentary hormones. This is again an evolutionary mechanism: the body's response to finding a suitable, reproductive mate is to decrease the motivation to sleep with other partners, and increase hormones that increase connection, feelings of security and monogamy.

The fact is, you are not feeling "god" in your crotch when you look at these girls you can't seem to obtain. What you are feeling is the brain deliberately rewiring itself to prepare for what it 'thinks' will be the inevitable reward of these feelings: sex! It's not "god", it's heroin. Euphoria, anxiousness, happiness and the subsequent depression you feel are, again, not some type of mystical bond being broken and/or a spiritual release, they are simply diagnostic of the body's response to massive fluctuations in your very own brand of narcotics.

This all gets quite messy in that we have overlain biological and evolutionary responses with these ridiculous social and religious constructs.

Relationships from the decades of the 50's and before were far superior and sound thant todays relationships. That cant be argued.

Oh yes, the glorious and nostalgic relationship s of the "50's and before". Where women knew to shut-up and take it when beaten by their husbands - you know, their role. Where women were taught their exclusive role in the household was to ensure a cheery attitude toward their husband and to go to a happy place while your husband is on top! Where young girls were taught that while they must service their mates, sexual thoughts were forbidden. Or how about the notion that "at fault" divorce statutes necessitated lengthy and ridiculous trials in order to grant divorces, essentially locking people into unhappy marriages. Ah, those were the days.

Men were also screwed in these days, too: even if their wife was acting like a massive whore, they were legally-bound to her vis-a-vis so-called, "dependency laws". Men in states like New York, for example, had to fabricate evidence of themselves being unfaithful, and subsequently be labeled "criminal fornicators" in order to obtain a divorce. In other states still, it was completely outlawed until the mid-50's. Yes, cultural factors play a role in the high rates of divorce, but so does the amelioration of legal restrictions against it.
 
There's crazy stuff when you get into the science of sex, that's for sure! I've been meaning to read a book called "Sperm Wars" that a buddy recommended to me, the product description on Amazon was enough to make me intrigued with the subject:

Evolution has programmed men to conquer and monopolize women while women, without ever knowing they are doing it, seek the best genetic input on offer from potential sexual partners.

In this book, best-selling author Robin Baker reveals these new facts of life: ten percent of children are not fathered by their "fathers;" less than one percent of a man’s sperm is capable of fertilizing anything (the rest is there to fight off all other men’s sperm); "smart" vaginal mucus encourages some sperm but blocks others; and a woman is far more likely to conceive through a casual fling than through sex with her regular partner.



Might make for some good casual reading.
 
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