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Tyler4's First Log **P-Plex+Epi+DC=Mass!**

Irish Cannon said:
Ya, I think I'll give it a go before resorting to the Epi. How would you recommend running it?
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I've seen it best dosed starting at Day 1-.25mg, Day 2-.50mg, Day 3-1mg, Day 4- 1.5mg, Day 5- 2mg and Day 6 2.5mg. The next week you go from 2.5mg down and the week after you go from low dose to high again. You do this until it subsides. I've had buds in college see results in about a week and a half. You want to take it until it is gone plus another 4-7 days...then after that you can run .25mg until you run out.
 
MrBigPR said:
I've seen it best dosed starting at Day 1-.25mg, Day 2-.50mg, Day 3-1mg, Day 4- 1.5mg, Day 5- 2mg and Day 6 2.5mg. The next week you go from 2.5mg down and the week after you go from low dose to high again. You do this until it subsides. I've had buds in college see results in about a week and a half. You want to take it until it is gone plus another 4-7 days...then after that you can run .25mg until you run out.
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Okay. Thanks for the advice. I'll probably give this a try. I'm ordering a few chems next week sometime so I'll grab some Letro. I appreciate the help.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Who's kidney's are you selling to be spending like AM's Rockafellar? :afro:
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Poker, my friend. Learn it. You're Asian, so you've already got the intimidation factor (math whiz).

I work a lot, too, and hardly pay any bills. I'm trying real hard not to spend much, but I just really need to get rid of this gyno.
 
tyler4 said:
Well, I do have 2 bottles of the 800mg and since I w/o only 3 days per week, I may do the 8/6.
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The more the merrier. If I could afford to up my dosage, I most definitely would.

When PRIME first came out, I was taking 9 caps a day, 7days/week.
 
Well, I will be giving my final thoughts on how my cycle went soon. I'll try to write it over the weekend since I am pretty busy until then. I wont be updating with any more w/o's but they are still going well.

FWIW, i got 345 x 3 tonight on DL's and my weight is 188 as of today. I actually gained 2 lbs since starting PCT.
 
Kickn ass Tbone!
 
Well, my strength is still on the rise. I started PRIME right before I ended my cycle, so that is probably playing a good role in it. SA seems to work ok, it's hard to distinguish the difference between everything I have on my PCT. But overall, everything is still going good.

I'm really looking forward to T-911 that I'll start next Monday. Putting SA on 5 times a week sucks.

Steak is good:)
 
tyler4 said:
It does smell, but not exactly bad or foul. But it doesnt smell like roses either.
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Probably similar to Penetrate 2.0; I believe it's the same carrier. I know what you're saying. It wasn't great, but didn't really bother me too much. It was pretty annoying though. I felt greasy for a couple hours.
 
End Of Cycle Thoughts

Well, I started PCT on Tuesday and so far so good. Below are my impressions of my Epi/P-Plex bridge with DC training.

Weight: I gained 11 lbs on cycle which I think is respectable. As far as I can tell, my bf didnt increase much, if any. And because of that, I would have to consider this 11lbs a success. Like I have said before, I'm not down with putting on fat during a cycle and making the weight go up. I ate clean and my weight gain was clean as well.

Size: I put on some pretty noticeable mass as well. Not anything drastic, but I do seem larger nonetheless. I have also had some comments of my size as well, so others are noticing too. Vascularity also shot way up as well.

Strength: This is where the cycle shined. BUT, since I started DC Training at the same time, I cant attribute all my strength gain to one or the other. I dont have my log book here, but off the top of my head, here are the increases.

Bench: +30lbs
Squat: +30lbs
DL: + 100lbs. I undershot my weight here at first, so the increase isnt that drastic.
Arms: I increased all my exercises by about 15lbs.

Sides: Not too many sides at all. Some back pumps, little acne, some pretty tough lethargy at the end. But thats about it. I still maintained libido and didnt feel shutdown too much in that regard. I had some blood pressure headaches at first, but they went away.

So all in all, it was a pretty cool cycle. Put on some size w/o fat, some good strength, and not too many harsh sides. I kept my dosages moderate so I think this may have helped out some.

I'm now into my PCT and I have to say, the hardness is def not the same as on cycle. I do miss that, but it's really no biggie. But things are well, I'm running PRIME now and start T-911 next week. So the fun and gains should continue :)

Thanks to they guys who followed along. I have realized that I'm not very good at doing the "log" thing. I just dont have much time to keep anyones attention, and since I was running a cycle that has been ran a good amount by others, I didint feel like I needed to really dig into the details. Thanks!

This week officially starts college footbal season so.....Go Gators!

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tyler4 said:
Thanks Irish. Grabbed myself some Fat Tire at the grocery tonight. You like?
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Man I dig. You'll have to bring a case down in October when you come back. We'll plan a cheat night.

I just had an Arrogant Bastard Ale on Friday, and that's another beer you MUST try if you haven't already. That stuff is amazing. With the first sip, I was in heaven.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Man I dig. You'll have to bring a case down in October when you come back. We'll plan a cheat night.

I just had an Arrogant Bastard Ale on Friday, and that's another beer you MUST try if you haven't already. That stuff is amazing. With the first sip, I was in heaven.
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I actually looked for that yesterday at the grocery. I didnt see it though.
 
Well, my grocery store is a little different. It's called Earth Fare (not sure if there are any in FL) It has a killer selection of imported beer. It's where I got my fat tire. Actually, they had so many different kinds, I probably just didnt see AB.
 
tyler4 said:
Well, my grocery store is a little different. It's called Earth Fare (not sure if there are any in FL) It has a killer selection of imported beer. It's where I got my fat tire. Actually, they had so many different kinds, I probably just didnt see AB.
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Oh, I gotcha. Perhaps AB is above being in some huffy puffy eco-grocery store. :D
 
tyler4 said:
Ha, maybe. I only buy my meat and some other stuff there (they have the brown rice sushi like Publix :)). It's too damn expensive for the basics.
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Yep. I take occasional Wal-Mart trips for little things, and then I go to Publix for all my meats, usually on an every other day basis. I like to get the stuff fresh, and I also like visiting the cute cashiers. :D
 
Awesome final review bud! You made some steller gains bro! You should be very proud. The prime/t-911 will start giving you some great hardness/density. You will loooove the constant state of flexion from Prime!

How long have you been on Prime now?
 
You are going to looove it! Not sure how much you will notice at the 1 week mark, but at 2 weeks, 5 caps pre w/o...mmmmm :food:
 
Honestly I feel like I am on epi, strength wise, alpha wise.
 
Yea, for some reason, I didnt get that "Alpha/euphoric/"on" feeling that most people get on cycle. Kinda dissapointed, but then again thats not why I ran the cycle in the first place. But IF I ever get the opportunity to run Test, I think that feeling will be present :)
 
tyler4 said:
Yea, for some reason, I didnt get that "Alpha/euphoric/"on" feeling that most people get on cycle. Kinda dissapointed, but then again thats not why I ran the cycle in the first place. But IF I ever get the opportunity to run Test, I think that feeling will be present :)
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Thats weird phera is supposed to do that to alot of people.
 
Tyler's balls are also swinging like a grandfather clock...were all different..lucky bastard

Oh yeah no homo...k homo
 
metroba said:
You are going to looove it! Not sure how much you will notice at the 1 week mark, but at 2 weeks, 5 caps pre w/o...mmmmm :food:
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metroba said:
Honestly I feel like I am on epi, strength wise, alpha wise.
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Do you mean at the beginning of 2 weeks, or by the end of week 2?...I'm on week 2 right now, Saturday being the mark of Week 3, and I mean my workouts are pretty awesome, but nothing out of the ordinary. Strength didn't go up in bench between this week and last or anything.
 
It was def beginning of wk 2 for me
 
Bro you went up 20lbs on lifts and 8 reps on db bench..and its only the beginning. Wait it out and then tell me if you still dont think its worth it.

I def think its too expensive tho. Even 40 would be a better price.
 
metroba said:
Bro you went up 20lbs on lifts and 8 reps on db bench..and its only the beginning. Wait it out and then tell me if you still dont think its worth it.

I def think its too expensive tho. Even 40 would be a better price.
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The extra 20lbs on RDL and GM's shouldn't really even be accounted for. I'm easing into those because of my back.

I went up 0 on flat.

I realized that the Incline bench I used was lifted higher than it was the previous week. I had to use the set bench rather than the adjustable one.

I'm not saying it's a bad supp. I do like it. It just seems way too expensive thus far. Now if next week I feel something crazy, and it lasts well through the end of the run, I may think differently. I'm not giving an overview of it just yet. Just saying that thus far it's way overpriced.
 
I agree overpriced...let me know what you think next week.
 
Well guys, I have some pretty interesting news in regards to my saliva based hormone test. I just now got the results back and I'm thinking of starting a new thread to make sure more people can chime in.

Here is what I found. Keep in mind the different ranges for different testing methods. This was an Optimale RX test.

Testosterone: 15.6 The ref range was anything less than 35 was defficient. So needless to say my T was extrememly supressed, which I expected.

Estrodial: 1.5 The ref range for E was anything 1.5 or higher was elevated.

Obviously, the E result was quite surprising. So going into my cycle, my E was high, and during my cycle of Phera and Epi, my E was also high. The results were taken the last week I was on both Epi and PP.

Maintaining high E could be the reason my libido stayed??

Knowing this, I am no longer concerened about E suppression. I will introduce T-911 today.

Thoughts??????
 
tyler4 said:
Well guys, I have some pretty interesting news in regards to my saliva based hormone test. I just now got the results back and I'm thinking of starting a new thread to make sure more people can chime in.

Here is what I found. Keep in mind the different ranges for different testing methods. This was an Optimale RX test.

Testosterone: 15.6 The ref range was anything less than 35 was defficient. So needless to say my T was extrememly supressed, which I expected.

Estrodial: 1.5 The ref range for E was anything 1.5 or higher was elevated.

Obviously, the E result was quite surprising. So going into my cycle, my E was high, and during my cycle of Phera and Epi, my E was also high. The results were taken the last week I was on both Epi and PP.

Maintaining high E could be the reason my libido stayed??

Knowing this, I am no longer concerened about E suppression. I will introduce T-911 today.

Thoughts??????
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Exactly what I would expect. PP is a wet compound, and while Epi has anti-estrogenic effects, it doesn't mean that it lowers estrogen, only blocks it in certain areas.

Sounds about right to me.
 
Yea, but MOST of the time, when T is surpressed so is E (as long as the compound doesnt aromatize). Or so I thought???

Either way, this is info for the future and now I can go "full bore" with an AI. I'm about to dose T-911 now:)

IC, ever thought about trying Deisel Test Pro??
 
tyler4 said:
Yea, but MOST of the time, when T is surpressed so is E (as long as the compound doesnt aromatize). Or so I thought???

Either way, this is info for the future and now I can go "full bore" with an AI. I'm about to dose T-911 now:)

IC, ever thought about trying Deisel Test Pro??
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Nope. I like my Blue Up. :)
 
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