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CLENVISCERATE the god of fat loss

If you call 4 1.5''x1.5'' pieces of pineapple a quantity source of carbs, then yes. I have 4 small pieces with my whey protein shake. I have carbs a couple hours later around 9ish with my eggs and then my afternoon meal with some diced up baked potatoe around 1. Afternoon application is at 3. The carb thing did cross my mind too, but what I eat that early in the morning really is negligible.
 
So am I. My first thought was, given I'm eating in a fasted state (just getting up after not eating for 6+ hrs) the carbs are kicking starting my metabolism. I have always noticed an increase in body temp after eating. Some people get tired after eating, I always feel more awake. I was wondering if the ingestion of carbs after a fast plus the clenvis was amplifying the increased body temp. I'm just speculating. I would really like to know where dsade is going with it because I'll be going up to 80 mcg in the morning and if the same experience as this afternoon, will goto 100 mcg's come 3 pm for my 4:45 workout.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
So am I. My first thought was, given I'm eating in a fasted state (just getting up after not eating for 6+ hrs) the carbs are kicking starting my metabolism. I have always noticed an increase in body temp after eating. Some people get tired after eating, I always feel more awake. I was wondering if the ingestion of carbs after a fast plus the clenvis was amplifying the increased body temp. I'm just speculating. I would really like to know where dsade is going with it because I'll be going up to 80 mcg in the morning and if the same experience as this afternoon, will goto 100 mcg's come 3 pm for my 4:45 workout.
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simplest explanation - energy to heat conversion of carbs versus fatty acids.

I am experimenting quite a bit, especially with the far reaching effects of clenviscerate....a small amount of simple carbs within 2 hours of appication causes a massive increase in sweating and bodytemperature that then sustains over hours.

I will get more into it, but it's the same reason for the inclusion of pyruvate in DCP....it's a metabolic primer. within reason.
 
i am studying the effects of NICOTINE with CLENVISCERATE ... looks promising... very very synenergistic (sp?)
 
lonewolf0420 said:
So clen is a little more effective when ingesting some carbs after application?
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Let me clarify in a bit more disclipined state of mind before changing your whole approach.
 
IRONPOPE said:
i am studying the effects of NICOTINE with CLENVISCERATE ... looks promising... very very synenergistic (sp?)
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If there was anything I would love to be able to add into this it would be nicotine.
 
so i should smoke cigarettes while using clenvis? :)

also, dsade, does it matter how much carbs to take with the clen? 20g, 40g or what?

another question, does clen as a topical touch on beta receptors? or just local receptors, or are they the same? im trying to figure out whether taking ECA while on clenvis will cause down regulation faster. i assume that since the protocol so far is to switch body parts every couple weeks, the reason is because different body parts' receptors are exclusive to each other, as well as the CNS' receptors, which ECA/CLEn orally would normally hit.

sorry im throwin alot at you
 
soontobbeast said:
so i should smoke cigarettes while using clenvis? :)

also, dsade, does it matter how much carbs to take with the clen? 20g, 40g or what?

another question, does clen as a topical touch on beta receptors? or just local receptors, or are they the same? im trying to figure out whether taking ECA while on clenvis will cause down regulation faster. i assume that since the protocol so far is to switch body parts every couple weeks, the reason is because different body parts' receptors are exclusive to each other, as well as the CNS' receptors, which ECA/CLEn orally would normally hit.

sorry im throwin alot at you
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FORgive me for selectively answering.....

You would want to reduce your ephderine intake. E will still act centrally as an adrenergic stimulant, while clen will stimulate beta receptors locally. so, yes you are correct.
 
you mean figuring out the correct/safe dosage mixed with clenvis? yeah i could imagine that would be a toughy.

i guess you could start with a drop or two, then increase every day. also, the chemical reaction might be unpredictable. you dont want somethin blowin up
 
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saw some people talking about adding nicotine to dnp. so this may or may not be related
 
soontobbeast said:
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saw some people talking about adding nicotine to dnp. so this may or may not be related
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Damn. yeah I just read all the follow up comments and my head is like, oh snap. Def. want to hear the follow up dsade. IP, you figure a way to incorporate that into the mix, we gotta know!
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
Damn. yeah I just read all the follow up comments and my head is like, oh snap. Def. want to hear the follow up dsade. IP, you figure a way to incorporate that into the mix, we gotta know!
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i am talking to a few people about this... Nicotine has a molecular weight of 162.24. That makes is small enought to pass thru the dermal layer and directly in the fat cell. This sudy Invalid Link Removed
shows hot nicotine has a direct uncoupling effect on fat.

more to come.... right now i trying to see if nicotina nasal spray will stack with Clenviscerate and not overload the transdermal
 
just so we are clear, the typical rule of '' 2-3lbs a week of fatloss or less without losing muscle'' doesnt apply here correct? since the fatloss isnt necessarily being induced by a major calorie deficit, but by other means?

or does the clenvis CAUSE a major calorie deficit?

edit : couldnt transdermal nicotine cause addiction? since dopamine levels would probably be increased and all that other stuff that cause people to crave nicotine once they start smoking....
 
soontobbeast said:
edit : couldnt transdermal nicotine cause addiction? since dopamine levels would probably be increased and all that other stuff that cause people to crave nicotine once they start smoking....
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No... nicotine is not addictive in itself ... its about absorbtion rate...

I read that NICOTINE is not addictive when its absorbed at a slow rate...nicotine gym takes about 30 minutes to hit the blood stream transdermally in the mouth

Nicotine in cigarette smoke hits the blood in 7 seconds!!

that fast uptake of nicotine is what makes it so addictive....
 
Ok, I took 80 mcg clen this morning, ommitted my pinapple this morning (wondering if the sugars/carbs were doing something) and I feel MUCH better. I don't feel anywhere Near the elevated body temp that I felt yesterday and the day before.

Dsade, when ever you have your theory, I'd love to hear it. If the carb ingestion is increasing my metebolic rate more so with the clen, then I'll go back to ingesting additional carbs with my early am meal instead of straight protein.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
Ok, I don't even feel like I took anything today. Seriously. No warmth, no elevated body temp, NOTHING. How is that possible?
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The only time I feel elevated temp is when I work out. I dont notice it until I have a good workout going. I dont know if I am not using enough or less sensitive, but I have never got that overall body temperature increase that many users report. If I have, I haven't noticed it.

But I dont think you have to feel the body temperature increase for it to be effective, I read that somewhere on this thread.
 
Well the crazy thing is, the past two days (not today) I've felt a VERY noticable increase in overall body temp. The fact that I didn't today when I have 2 days straight has me confused. I'm all for it working without noticing an increased temp, but to go from crispy hot to normal body temp with continued increased clen seems.....strange. The burning everyone talks about has been minimal for me. I've increased the dosage several times and its been quite tolerable. I jokingly say to myself I've burned out my pain receptors already with 3 days use, but I know thats not the case.
 
To me the burn is like a mild to moderate sunburn. It actually doesnt feel too bad, but everyone handles it differently. It only lasts about 20-30 minutes after working out or sweating a lot. I actually put on a sauna belt to get the burn going and trap the body heat around my waist and that has been working pretty quickly, within 5 minutes or so.
 
Does anyone else get bad stains from this? I went in for AM cardio yesterday, by the time I was done, I had brown, sweaty stains all over my white t-shirt.

Also, I rotate this product every two weeks, because I do feel like it builds up a tolerance after a while; and when I put it on a different bodypart, it has that fresh, burny feeling all over again.
 
Maybe I'm just not using enough evis? Thing is, I def get enough to coat my abs and obliques without issue, so I don't think lack of volume is the answer. I'll def. take tom. and the whole weekend off of clen. Will add the 100 mcg dose today to see what happens and go from there. Be interested to see how my workout goes.
 
How do you get this stuff off your hands? I'll apply and rub it in in the morning and then ill take my contacts out 8 hours later and it will still burn after a hundred hand washes...any suggestions?
 
I wear contacts too and Know first hand what kind of burn you can experience from capsacin. It is NOT pleasant. Happened many years ago and I learned. I wear a plastic glove. There disposable so it well worth it.
 
Nicotinic acid is oxidizD form of nicotine... Add some I added clenvicerate to abfx along with no infuse just for fun and I apply that after my shower and regular clenvicerate preworkout
 
i have added nicotine gum twice a day.... and body temp sky rockets... i sweating profusely all day...even in the AC..... still research this synenergy
 
so you're chewing nicotine gum twice daily while the clenviscerate is active and you are seeing extra results?
 
soontobbeast said:
so you're chewing nicotine gum twice daily while the clenviscerate is active and you are seeing extra results?
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well i just added the nicotine gum 2 days ago ... and i noticed i was hot...very hot and sweaty. pouring... didnt feel all the great. It may be too much on the system...

still checking this out on me...
 
IRONPOPE said:
well i just added the nicotine gum 2 days ago ... and i noticed i was hot...very hot and sweaty. pouring... didnt feel all the great. It may be too much on the system...

still checking this out on me...
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You arent still taking SX with all of this are you? That would have you taking Clenviscerate, SX, and nicotine. I dont know how you would have any weight left.
 
Alright last when laying with my girl she started burning on her side It must have rubed off on her. It was about 15min after appling. I've also had a slight burn on my manhood once when night when lying naked, so it must have touched my stomach. Should this be happening or do I need to wipe my stomach after appling?
 
jackclove said:
Alright last when laying with my girl she started burning on her side It must have rubed off on her. It was about 15min after appling. I've also had a slight burn on my manhood once when night when lying naked, so it must have touched my stomach. Should this be happening or do I need to wipe my stomach after appling?
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You need to avoid contact with her for around 45 minutes minimum. If intimate activity is desired, depending on what time, you might want to avoid the application for 3-4 hours before - and WASH YOUR HANDS VERY WELL WITH A SUPERFATTED SOAP.

Capsaicin is OIL SOLUBLE - which means your standard cheap soaps will not remove the residue.

We're instituting a "buy eviscerate, get a free Java Lather' here next week. In addition to exfoliating the application area, it takes it off of your hands easily.
 
dsade said:
You need to avoid contact with her for around 45 minutes minimum. If intimate activity is desired, depending on what time, you might want to avoid the application for 3-4 hours before - and WASH YOUR HANDS VERY WELL WITH A SUPERFATTED SOAP.

Capsaicin is OIL SOLUBLE - which means your standard cheap soaps will not remove the residue.

We're instituting a "buy eviscerate, get a free Java Lather' here next week. In addition to exfoliating the application area, it takes it off of your hands easily.
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no problem with the hands cause I wear gloves. But I'll make sure to wait 45min before contact. Thanks for the info.
 
GTmauf said:
Would the transdermal clen still have the potential to cause negative effects on the heart?
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You referring to heart rate and such? If that is what you are talking about, the answer is only if you use too much clen. It will not go systemic unless you use too much, and then some users have reported some of the classic clen sides. Thats why it is advised to start low and test your tolerance.
 
Well I wasn't really referring to increased heart rate, but there were some studies that showed hypertrophy and necrosis of cardiac muscle. This is what I was asking about.

But I would think that if it's not going systemic it can't really affect the heart unless you overdo it, like you mentioned. Also how does it increase overall thermogenesis if it's not going systemic?
 
I may have to use some old Napalm for a day or two, as I am low on Eviscerate, just ordered some, but could be a day or two of clenpalm.
 
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