Tyler4's First Log **P-Plex+Epi+DC=Mass!**

I would say that 396 is pretty low for your age but not HORRIBLE. Was this after you started the cycle?
 
Usually, but I went to Wal-Mart today because their chicken is a pant-load cheaper, and you get way more. At Publix it's like $18 for ~2 days worth; Wal-Mart is $14 for ~3 days worth. :dunno:

If you can believe it or not, I saw an uber hot chick working at Wal-Mart. Can you believe it?! She was total Target material.

That is very rare, but my wally world is great for that always some hot little numbers in there working. At least it makes the experience more pleasurable for my eyes.
 
Usually, but I went to Wal-Mart today because their chicken is a pant-load cheaper, and you get way more. At Publix it's like $18 for ~2 days worth; Wal-Mart is $14 for ~3 days worth. :dunno:

If you can believe it or not, I saw an uber hot chick working at Wal-Mart. Can you believe it?! She was total Target material.

OK now that's the difference between Knoxville, TN and Destin. The day I see a hot chick working at the wal mart near my house, is the day....well....it'll will never happen.

I say THE difference but there obviously tons of differences between here and there. Damn, I gotta get back down there!
 
That is very rare, but my wally world is great for that always some hot little numbers in there working. At least it makes the experience more pleasurable for my eyes.
Ya, shopping where there are hot cashiers always makes it nicer. I always scope them out before I checkout. :D

OK now that's the difference between Knoxville, TN and Destin. The day I see a hot chick working at the wal mart near my house, is the day....well....it'll will never happen.

I say THE difference but there obviously tons of differences between here and there. Damn, I gotta get back down there!

Ya, we'll have to get up for sure. Does your girlfriend happen to have any hot little Asian friends? I still need a massage. :lol:
 
I would say that 396 is pretty low for your age but not HORRIBLE. Was this after you started the cycle?

Yes, before I started anything. I was thinking the same thing but thanks for the input. I wanted to hear from other people on what they thought. I may post in the anti aging forum and get Matrix to comment.

I really need to see the full labs, but I'm stil pretty bummed. I mean hell, I'm 24 years old. I eat super clean. I just got off the Metabolic (CKD) diet that should really help out with my T levels.

My total Chol was 121. Pretty low. Maybe thats why I am not making enough test??
 
Ya, shopping where there are hot cashiers always makes it nicer. I always scope them out before I checkout. :D



Ya, we'll have to get up for sure. Does your girlfriend happen to have any hot little Asian friends? I still need a massage. :lol:


I' not thiking so But she does have a friend that is staying at The Palms for the summer. She is really hot too. Kinda dark skinned, but not Asian.
 
Yea, I mean she's pretty cool. When we went out with her last time I was down there, was the first time I had ever met her. She kinda likes to party a little which is weird, cause my gf isnt really like that at all.

Her name is Kristina (sp?) and she works at Ruth's Chris. Dark hair, dark skinned, nice build.

AM is acting all screwy right now
 
Yea, I mean she's pretty cool. When we went out with her last time I was down there, was the first time I had ever met her. She kinda likes to party a little which is weird, cause my gf isnt really like that at all.

Her name is Kristina (sp?) and she works at Ruth's Chris. Dark hair, dark skinned, nice build.

AM is acting all screwy right now

I'm all about the exotic/dark chicks, man.

Ruth's Chris, huh? That sounds good. I heard they're not doing too well there. There have been a few restaurants closing down. It's sad to see that...We've got to get to the pub (McGuire's) next time you're here, man!
 
I'm all about the exotic/dark chicks, man.

Ruth's Chris, huh? That sounds good. I heard they're not doing too well there. There have been a few restaurants closing down. It's sad to see that...We've got to get to the pub (McGuire's) next time you're here, man!


Fo Sho! I love trying me some new/different brewskies :) I think we will be back down at the fist part of October.

That sucks about RC's. That was where I had the single best piece of steak that has ever touched my lips...a meal that I will never forget...ever.

I'll see if she is stil even living down there. She was gonna start grad school at Tulane in the fall. Shes a nutrition major. But trust me, the things they teach these kids is waayyy different from what we go by from strength/body building. My gf is a nutrition major and we hardly agree on anything food related.
 
Fo Sho! I love trying me some new/different brewskies :) I think we will be back down at the fist part of October.

That sucks about RC's. That was where I had the single best piece of steak that has ever touched my lips...a meal that I will never forget...ever.

I'll see if she is stil even living down there. She was gonna start grad school at Tulane in the fall. Shes a nutrition major. But trust me, the things they teach these kids is waayyy different from what we go by from strength/body building. My gf is a nutrition major and we hardly agree on anything food related.

Well, to us it's performance based, to them it's health based. I like to think I have some middle ground in all of it. For example, right now I'm eating...

Grilled chicken breast
lots of broccoli
green olives
banana peppers
bella mushrooms
almonds
salt + pepper

...Healthy? Yes. Muscle food? Somewhat. - Very CKD of me. :D

October! Great time of year! That should be fun.
 
Well, to us it's performance based, to them it's health based. I like to think I have some middle ground in all of it. For example, right now I'm eating...

Grilled chicken breast
lots of broccoli
green olives
banana peppers
bella mushrooms
almonds
salt + pepper

...Healthy? Yes. Muscle food? Somewhat. - Very CKD of me. :D

October! Great time of year! That should be fun.

Very true.
 
OK, GF's flight got delayed so while I have some time..I'll post up my w/o from this morning.

It went well but I still need to get used to an early AM w/o for sure. I've only done it once or twice, but this time I was kinda sluggish. Dont have my log book with my so I forget most weights.

Day 17

Weight: 180 (+5 so far)
Cycle Dosage: Epi 20mg/20mg PP 10mg/10mg

DC W/O B1

EZ Bar Curls: I have weak Bi's. I think my RP set was with 90 lbs.

Incline Hammer Curls:
Bi/Forearm stretch

Close Toe Calf Raise: Lots of weight but I forget how much.

Leg Curls:
SLD's

Squats: 245x5. I went down on weight here but I wanted to make double sure I was getting low enough. Felt good.
Quad Stretch

Thats about it.

Sides/Thoughts:
-I hit a freakin wal around 2:00 but I feel fine now.
-Still no sides, except maybe some lethargy today but that could be from AM w/o.
-"boys" are still normal and I really dont feel "shutdown" at all.
-Muscle hardness is off the charts.
 
Ya, shopping where there are hot cashiers always makes it nicer. I always scope them out before I checkout. :D

I tend to buy BS stuff if a saleswomen is hot. I mean, not at grocery stores, but at the firm we have sales people coming into the office to sell stuff. One day they sent this blond chick in iddy bitty shorts, great legs, and a really tight shirt, pretty much like how high school girls dress, but with a college girls physique. She was selling flowers, (that were completely wilted) and it was all I could do to turn her down. I almost just broke down and wrote her a check for the cost of the flowers, but without buying it. I didn't, but I did get a hell of a test boost.
 
Good talk going on in here :lol:

Nice workout bro! 90s is not weak for bis bro! Give yourself some credit! As for the chest on incline bench shrugs, they are great for working your upper middle back (rhomboids) but it will not be good enough for overall back thickness. Chest on incline db rows sound good. Give em a shot and see how they feel.
 
Good talk going on in here :lol:

Nice workout bro! 90s is not weak for bis bro! Give yourself some credit! As for the chest on incline bench shrugs, they are great for working your upper middle back (rhomboids) but it will not be good enough for overall back thickness. Chest on incline db rows sound good. Give em a shot and see how they feel.

Metroba is mostly right. Incline double Db rows are quite noice for upper back thickness, but the best things for "overall" back thickness are number one dead lifts and number two barbell rows, and it all boils down to number of muscles activated.

Bottom line, retraction movements create thickness, by the nature of the movement being retractive and all retractive motions will stimulate acromio/spino traps, rhomboids, teres major/minor, posterior delts, lats do help while vertical movements are associated with width, for the sole reason that vertical movements best engage your lats and in their most effective plane, because the insertion points of the lats are placed vertically.

The only reason BB rows are technically better for overall back thickness then incline double Db rows, is because the BB rows also engage the lumbar erectors in a static contraction, so in terms of total stimulated surface area, BB rows take it. However, for upper back thickness alone, incline double Db rows are quite good. You're still engaging everything you would engage with a bb row, but without the lumbar erector stimulation and/or jerking assist.

However, bottom line, I don't even know what the original question or concern was, I'm just responding to Rob Zombies post :happysad:

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Tyler, you stocking up on the gear at NP? I was debating buying a few things, but I've got my two bottles of E-Stane, and I think I'll pick up 3 bottles of HD-2, and then I'll consider myself set. I really wanted to get some EQ-Plex and SD, but I don't see a point.
 
Tyler, you stocking up on the gear at NP? I was debating buying a few things, but I've got my two bottles of E-Stane, and I think I'll pick up 3 bottles of HD-2, and then I'll consider myself set. I really wanted to get some EQ-Plex and SD, but I don't see a point.

I don't really see too much of a point either. I keep hearing about a Tren ban, but to be honest, I dont ever plan on running any of the Tren compounds anyway. I do plan to run SD, so I may get a few bottles of that, some more Epi, and some PP. But until a ban gets closer, I'll just chill. :afro:
 
Well my goodness, I just saw where NP is leaving the PH game. I may have to make a small order then. I only plan on running maybe one more cycle this winter, so I'm not going to stock up or anything. But if SD is marked down, I may grab some.
 
I was hoping for the CEL M-Drol, you think PD is cool though?

Damn, gyno from HGW??? Dont know much about that stuff but does it increase natural Test??
 
Picked up some SD-1 by PD :) :)

But as time goes by, I really dont want to run any more of these DS cycles. I will run SD this winter to see what the fuss is about, but that will be it. After that, if a test cycle is not an option, then it's all naturale fo me. My goals dont include me needing to do gear for years and years. I want to get up to around a lean 210 and stay there.

Plus, if PRIME is half as good as Met and everyone says is is, then who the hell needs gear anyways! :)
 
Ya, HGW is basically Icariin, but it's supposed to work better. I though the I3C in all this broccoli I'm eating would take care of it! Do you think the two doses of Nolva I have are enough to zap it?
 
Ok, well it sounds like your basic "aromatization to estrogen" gyno. Hopefully at least.

How much is exactly two doses? 40mg? That should do it along w/ stopping HGW but if it doesnt, let me know. Since it probably takes a while to get some more in, I can help a brotha out.
 
Got my dc protein in just now. Along with the dc DVD. Coo :).

I also just weighed myself. I'm up 2 lbs to 182. Plus 7 overall.
 
OK, at the risk of sounding like a huge DC nuthugger, The True Protein "DC Mix" might be the best tasting protein I have ever had. I got the chocolate mint. My next order will be for about 10-15 lbs.
 
Picked up some SD-1 by PD :) :)

But as time goes by, I really dont want to run any more of these DS cycles. I will run SD this winter to see what the fuss is about, but that will be it. After that, if a test cycle is not an option, then it's all naturale fo me. My goals dont include me needing to do gear for years and years. I want to get up to around a lean 210 and stay there.

Plus, if PRIME is half as good as Met and everyone says is is, then who the hell needs gear anyways! :)

The SD-1 is as legit as they come....SERIOUS.

OK, at the risk of sounding like a huge DC nuthugger, The True Protein "DC Mix" might be the best tasting protein I have ever had. I got the chocolate mint. My next order will be for about 10-15 lbs.

Nice man sounds good. Can you describe the taste? What kind of proteins are in there?
 
The SD-1 is as legit as they come....SERIOUS.



Nice man sounds good. Can you describe the taste? What kind of proteins are in there?

and you get basically 2 cycles for 14 dollas. That's smokin.

The taste on the TP is hard to describe. Sweet kinda and not bitter at all. Most proteins take a while for me to get a taste for. It's got a nice mix of chocolate and mint. I'm on my phone now but the mix is called the DC mix at true protein. Mainly whey.
 
NIIIIICEE bro!!! Its xmas time over at your place. And I hope you read Volcoms post. Good info right there.
 
Ok, well it sounds like your basic "aromatization to estrogen" gyno. Hopefully at least.

How much is exactly two doses? 40mg? That should do it along w/ stopping HGW but if it doesnt, let me know. Since it probably takes a while to get some more in, I can help a brotha out.

I really appreciate that dude. I'll let you know how things are tomorrow morning. I dosed 20mg last night, about 25mg this morning, and I've got about another 20mg left for a dose tonight. If it's not cleared up in the morning, I'll definitely hit you up. Thanks, Tyler.
 
I really appreciate that dude. I'll let you know how things are tomorrow morning. I dosed 20mg last night, about 25mg this morning, and I've got about another 20mg left for a dose tonight. If it's not cleared up in the morning, I'll definitely hit you up. Thanks, Tyler.


No prob bro. Just holla.

I may make another NP order too. I just dont like the feeling of not being able to freely buy PH's anymore so I need some in my cabinet to make me feel better. :laugh2: Maybe some Epi, and some more SD, and PP.
 
Met, IC and whoever else. Next time you order some protein, you might should take a look at DC's Mix over at TP. This stuff really is killer and mixes great. There are tons of different flavors but I got mint chocolate. It's not a bad price at 9.99/lb.

Drinking some now and about to go play in a golf touney.

Lol, I forgot to update my w/o yesterday, I will do that later on tonight or tomorrow.
 
No prob bro. Just holla.

I may make another NP order too. I just dont like the feeling of not being able to freely buy PH's anymore so I need some in my cabinet to make me feel better. :laugh2: Maybe some Epi, and some more SD, and PP.

They're all out of PP at the Planet.

Good luck in that Golf tourney, bro. Sounds like a great time. I haven't played golf in forever but always enjoy being out there playing. I suck pretty bad, but it's fun just to be out with the guys, have a cigar, and spend some time outside.

And keep in mind guys that this is only NP doing this that I know of. I haven't heard of companies quitting making the products yet (other than RPN) or other places that are done selling them.
 
They're all out of PP at the Planet.

Good luck in that Golf tourney, bro. Sounds like a great time. I haven't played golf in forever but always enjoy being out there playing. I suck pretty bad, but it's fun just to be out with the guys, have a cigar, and spend some time outside.

And keep in mind guys that this is only NP doing this that I know of. I haven't heard of companies quitting making the products yet (other than RPN) or other places that are done selling them.

Damn, Oh well.

Yea, but if NP is stopping sales, then I smell a real ban this time and I wanted to take advantage of the sales.

Im stoked about this tourney and it's not becasue of the golf. I just like competing in stuff. It's like an addiction. My team is pretty good so we should do well. That reminds me, I need to grab some cigars!
 
I'm definitely moving if $hit goes down this year. Banks will probably be nationalized, healthcare will pass now that the BDDems have compromised...I'll look into Texas first, and if that's a no, I'll probably go to AUS.
 
Days 18,19,20

Weight: 182 (+7 Overall)

Epi: 20mg/20mg
PP:10mg/10mg

Today (day 20)

Epi: 20mg/30mg
PP:20mg/10mg

Workout A2

W/O went OK. I really need to get used to this AM workout thing. My energy just isnt there but I think the more I get used to it, I'll be OK. All my lifts went up for A2, so I cant complain too much. I'll try my best to remember the weight.

Incline Smith Press: 185 5/4/3
Chest Stretch w/ 40's for 90 sec.

Smith Shoulder Press (front): 135 8/5/3
Shoulder Stretch

Skull Crushers: 80 I think for 8/5/3
Tri Stretch

Rack Chins:
Back Stretch

DB Rows:


This will be the last full week for Epi and I plan to hit it hard. Looking forward to it:)

Sides/Thoughts on Cycle:

-This is weird, I dont feel "shutdown" at all. My boys are still doing good and my libido is normal. I increased dosage on both Epi and PP today, so this may change during the week.

-Diet has been kinda crappy this weekend. I played in a gold tourney yesterday and wasnt able to pack anything to eat during. So needless to say my diet suffered. But, I am got my protein (~300g) in both days so I'm not too worried about it.

-My body comp is pretty good right now. Def looking thicker. I may have lost a little ab definition but it could be in my head.

-Went to the store today and picked up some grass fed beef, some bison (never had this before) and some good ole chicken :).

-Plan on really kicking it up these next couple weeks. I fully expected to have no libido by now and experiencing normal shutdown symptoms, but I havent. Dont know what to think about that really??

-I have some new equipment comming in this week and I'm stoked! I got a belt so I can finally do the correct back stretches.

-One more thing, I know this is frowned upon, but I may change an exercise or two since I will have some new equipment. I really want to throw in rack deads and dips.
 
What kind of belt did you get? A weighted belt?
 
Sooo, I kicked up the Epi to 50mg (This is as high as I will be going) and the PP to 30mg. Lethargy is killing me right now!!!

Let me get my notes and I'll update yesterday's W/O.
 
Lethargy only effected me in the morning. Is that how it is for you too? - I'm surprised that with that PP dose you're still lethargic. I would think it helps to balance it out a little. I felt amazing on PP.
 
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