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Getting hard!!

caliphotog

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No... Not what you where thinking! Haha. Anyway, I am currently 6'1" 190 at 7.5% BF. Happy with my size but wanting to harden up my muscles. From your experiences what is the best PH to run for vascularity and hardness while maintaining size. A slight increase in size is okay, but no more than 5 lbs. I can control that with diet so not to worried about that. Thanks for the input.
 
To be honest, I am bot a huge fan of H-Drol. My body does not seem to respond well to it. Not that I get bad sides or anything, I just don't get results.

How is appetite with Tren alone? I ran Spawn (Epi and Tren) and my stomach was an open pit. I was CONSTANTLY hungry! Not good when I want to limit growth.
 
i would low dose phera and epi....say 20 mgs of each....the phera should completely kill your appetite and the epi will dry out any water from the phera....this is my next cut but stacked with sust as well
 
mooch2321 said:
i would low dose phera and epi....say 20 mgs of each....the phera should completely kill your appetite and the epi will dry out any water from the phera....this is my next cut but stacked with sust as well
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Never thought of low doseing thoes two. Wow, sounds pretty genious to me! I have been wanting to run a proper AAS but I gotta figure out the usual, how do I get it. For now I will think about your recomendation, but it sounds perfect!
 
caliphotog said:
The Phera + Epi at 20mg each sounds pretty interesting.
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You should persue this route. I am coming off a Phera/Tren cycle and am harder, leaner, and more vascular. The Tren kept the water retention way down, which is what epi will do in your case.
 
Don't take this the wrong way but why don't you want to get any bigger? If your stats are correct extra muscle wouldn't be a bad thing. Then again clothes get expensive when you outgrow them lol.
 
merph said:
Don't take this the wrong way but why don't you want to get any bigger? If your stats are correct extra muscle wouldn't be a bad thing. Then again clothes get expensive when you outgrow them lol.
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Haha. I hear you. I need to stay around my current weight though cause I fight MMA at 185. I hate having to cut more then 10 lbs. before a fight. Maybe soon I will jump weight and go to 205. I just can't for the next few months.
 
bb4life said:
where you fighting at and what promotor?
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Hey man. How you doing? Hope all is well. I don't want to come across like a ****, but I think it would be wise to give out as little info as possible as to not have anything associated with my name and steroids. However I can guarantee that you have not heard of me cause honestly I am not that great. :). Haha. ...but hopefully I will continue to improve.
 
Honestly with Drive/RPM from AN I had rock solid muscles. I know they are not anabolics, just saying it did the job for me back when. I had tree logs for viens down my arms, but I am naturally vascular so that coulda played into it.
 
caliphotog said:
Haha. I hear you. I need to stay around my current weight though cause I fight MMA at 185. I hate having to cut more then 10 lbs. before a fight. Maybe soon I will jump weight and go to 205. I just can't for the next few months.
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Good reason but in that case I think endurance and strength gains should be your main concern. Just because your not rock hard doesn't mean your not rock solid. Gotten my ass handed to me from powderpuffs because their conditioning was better than mine. Looks only take you so far.
 
merph said:
Good reason but in that case I think endurance and strength gains should be your main concern. Just because your not rock hard doesn't mean your not rock solid. Gotten my ass handed to me from powderpuffs because their conditioning was better than mine. Looks only take you so far.
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Amen to that! I figure that the strength/endurance should come from the same Phera/Epi cycle. What do you think?
 
Oh... I did not realize you were a fighter. Phera is known to cause some mean back pumps- although everyone is different. However, because you will obviously be doing alot of cardio for your conditioning, those back pumps may become even more aggrivated. Just something you may want to keep in mind before starting that compound. I would hate for it to effect your training and impede on your performance during a fight.
 
i doubt back pumps will be a problem with Phera at 20mg. Phera works well for hardening, it's common for us to think of it as a bloating bulker but when I ran it on a recomp the vascularity and hardness was great @ 40-50mg.

The phera/epi stack mooch mentioned sounds like (good synergy right) but he's going to stack it with test. Without test, i would up the epi dose to 30 because 20 is usually pretty low. The combination will produce some amazing vascularity I think ;)
 
^^^^true dat.....plus i think im just like a super responder to epi....i see results at ten mgs!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Pretty sure I am going with Mooch's recomendation just wanted yo run one more by you guys. How about Epi at 30 for 2 weeks and then bridge into a 4 week Oral Winstrol. For a total of 6 weeks. The only thing that scares me abou the Phera/Epi is running 2 methyls. Thoughts?
 
caliphotog said:
Pretty sure I am going with Mooch's recomendation just wanted yo run one more by you guys. How about Epi at 30 for 2 weeks and then bridge into a 4 week Oral Winstrol. For a total of 6 weeks. The only thing that scares me abou the Phera/Epi is running 2 methyls. Thoughts?
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epi/win are 2 methyls as well.

epi/win should be out of the question, ur joints will hurt like a mofo
 
again we may be back to this super responder to epi thing....but i honestly cant tell the difference between epi and winstrol.....
 
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