Formestane - Estrogen Control Agent - Topical

i would guess it would stay good for 2-3 years, maybe more if unopened. i would just shake the dogcrap out of it before using. or do like paint and turn the bottle upside down for a few days.
 
So if i understand this correctly, lets take test subject A who will be running 50/75/75/75/75/75 of H-Drol, CEL td Formestane could be what "A" uses as his AI, obsoleting his original choice of ATD (inhibit-e) for that aspect of his pct?
 
Harry Manback said:
So if i understand this correctly, lets take test subject A who will be running 50/75/75/75/75/75 of H-Drol, CEL td Formestane could be what "A" uses as his AI, obsoleting his original choice of ATD (inhibit-e) for that aspect of his pct?
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Yes. I would use Topical Form ANY day over ATD too.

IMO you still should run a low dose serm... they are the only set of nuts you're ever gonna have.
 
Just an update... I'm 5 weeks into a PMag cycle. I am using 1 pump 2-3 times per day of CEL's TD form. I have had no testicular atrophy. Libido and male performance have not dropped one bit. IMO the ON cycle TD form is the key to keeping my mojo :afro:

...did I mention that the form has eliminated a small pre-existing gyno lump from a SD run last year? :head:
 
Harry Manback said:
So if i understand this correctly, lets take test subject A who will be running 50/75/75/75/75/75 of H-Drol, CEL td Formestane could be what "A" uses as his AI, obsoleting his original choice of ATD (inhibit-e) for that aspect of his pct?
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You would have two options, you could use the Topical Form in place of ATD for PCT, or you could run the Topical Form low dosed on cycle, then use the ATD for PCT.


I dont think a SERM is needed for H-Drol. Many of the SERM's have the potential for sides that alot of people dont fully research. I believe in using them only if necessary.
 
gogo said:
Why not form through cycle then up the dosage for pct alongside pct assist.
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that is almost what i am doing, i ran form at 2x2 ed on xtren cycle. i am still using that dose in pct, along with pct assist-but i added 50mg of inhibit-e. i am a fan of atd in pct. i will run out of td formestane soon, so i will go to 1x1 ed on the form soon. to answer your question, if you run form at 2x2 on cycle i see no reason to bump it up in pct, but make sure you taper down at the end.
 
thebigt said:
that is almost what i am doing, i ran form at 2x2 ed on xtren cycle. i am still using that dose in pct, along with pct assist-but i added 50mg of inhibit-e. i am a fan of atd in pct. i will run out of td formestane soon, so i will go to 1x1 ed on the form soon. to answer your question, if you run form at 2x2 on cycle i see no reason to bump it up in pct, but make sure you taper down at the end.
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Awsome, thanks for the quick reply. This sounds perfect but I may keep the ate out. Still debating that part although I do have a couple bottles, even at 2 a day my joints were aching. Also I'm guessing it's no problem running form for 8 weeks.. How about 12? I know on your bottle it doesn't suggest going over 4.
 
thebigt said:
that is almost what i am doing, i ran form at 2x2 ed on xtren cycle. i am still using that dose in pct, along with pct assist-but i added 50mg of inhibit-e. i am a fan of atd in pct. i will run out of td formestane soon, so i will go to 1x1 ed on the form soon. to answer your question, if you run form at 2x2 on cycle i see no reason to bump it up in pct, but make sure you taper down at the end.
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^^Agreed , you would absolutely need to taper off it!
 
gogo said:
Awsome, thanks for the quick reply. This sounds perfect but I may keep the ate out. Still debating that part although I do have a couple bottles, even at 2 a day my joints were aching. Also I'm guessing it's no problem running form for 8 weeks.. How about 12? I know on your bottle it doesn't suggest going over 4.
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some have used a low dose of formestane for long terms. dreamweaver uses it eod, and has run it for month's i believe. the dutchman used to post on here and i think he ran low dose form for extended periods too. i think the key is to keep doses low if using for long term, maybe even eod like dreamweaver.
 
I'm not so sure CEL td form is best suited for on cylce with hdrol, yet I'm also not convinced it is the best option for the a.i. part of a pct scheme. Even tapering it down towards the end of the pct, being it is synthetic, isnt this what we're coming off from in the first place, a synthetic substance (hdrol, etc.) hence needing the pct to come back as quickly to our normal homeostasis?
 
Harry Manback said:
I'm not so sure CEL td form is best suited for on cylce with hdrol, yet I'm also not convinced it is the best option for the a.i. part of a pct scheme. Even tapering it down towards the end of the pct, being it is synthetic, isnt this what we're coming off from in the first place, a synthetic substance (hdrol, etc.) hence needing the pct to come back as quickly to our normal homeostasis?
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do your research, read some logs and come to a decision. try to keep it simple and not over-think things once you have the info. h-drol will supply test from an outside source this is what causes shutdown-the form will get you back to making your own test again, imo formestane is a great ai, plus much more. do your research.
 
Harry,
I am convinced that TD formestane is the best on cycle AI. And H-drol/Formestane was BY FAR the best cycle that I have ran in terms of lean mass gains and fat loss. I strongly encourage you to try that exact stack whether you're a beginner or have substantial cycle experience.

Your "synthetic" comment doesn't make sense to me. I'm sorry but maybe you are trying to articulate a different point? Formestane has been shown to instigate HPTA activity for 19-22 weeks after cessation. That is one of the primary goals of pct.

My personal preference is to switch to a different AI in pct. At the same time, the consensus seems to thoroughly enjoy formestane in pct. There are many AI options for pct and just about everyone approaches their estrogen control strategy differently.
 
thebigt said:
do your research, read some logs and come to a decision. try to keep it simple and not over-think things once you have the info. h-drol will supply test from an outside source this is what causes shutdown-the form will get you back to making your own test again, imo formestane is a great ai, plus much more. do your research.
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T,

I'm in the midst of my research and is why I'm proposing a few questions of my own. Hell, I even went as far back to a few of your and CELC5's threads/posts on form from back in 2007.

Form is very intriguing to me. I am in no way trying to put it down or discredit it with my questions. In fact, I am looking for a reason to use it in my upcoming cycle. The more I thought about it last night, the more I think I may want to use it on cycle, partnered with hdrol as compared to pct protocol.

Heres a thought. Instead of using it the full 6 weeks on cycle, could it be started on week 3 on cycle, and go into week 3 off/pct cycle, tapered down as a separate ai/possibly atd is tapered up? A cycle-to-pct "bridge" essentially.
 
celc5 said:
Harry,
I am convinced that TD formestane is the best on cycle AI. And H-drol/Formestane was BY FAR the best cycle that I have ran in terms of lean mass gains and fat loss. I strongly encourage you to try that exact stack whether you're a beginner or have substantial cycle experience.

Your "synthetic" comment doesn't make sense to me. I'm sorry but maybe you are trying to articulate a different point? Formestane has been shown to instigate HPTA activity for 19-22 weeks after cessation. That is one of the primary goals of pct.

My personal preference is to switch to a different AI in pct. At the same time, the consensus seems to thoroughly enjoy formestane in pct. There are many AI options for pct and just about everyone approaches their estrogen control strategy differently.
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C,

Your first paragraph is what I'm leaning towards. It becomes increasingly appealing the more I think about it.

By synthetic, I just didn't understand why you would use form (syn) to get back to normal (HS) from hdrol, etc. (syn). I was under the impression that you didn't want to do that. But I can't argue with the hard facts showing it can bring you back. That comment was just merely my misunderstanding. Heres the train of thought that I couldn't understand - SYN(on) + SYN(pct) = HomeoStasis?

Would utilizing Form on cycle make for a more difficult pct during said pct time frame? From what I've researched so far, it seems it may in fact make for an easier transition back to norm. Any truth to this?
 
Harry Manback said:
T,

I'm in the midst of my research and is why I'm proposing a few questions of my own. Hell, I even went as far back to a few of your and CELC5's threads/posts on form from back in 2007.

Form is very intriguing to me. I am in no way trying to put it down or discredit it with my questions. In fact, I am looking for a reason to use it in my upcoming cycle. The more I thought about it last night, the more I think I may want to use it on cycle, partnered with hdrol as compared to pct protocol.

Heres a thought. Instead of using it the full 6 weeks on cycle, could it be started on week 3 on cycle, and go into week 3 off/pct cycle, tapered down as a separate ai/possibly atd is tapered up? A cycle-to-pct "bridge" essentially.
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it's cool harry. i thought you were new to ph's and ai's, glad you did some research. yes, what you are proposing would work.
 
Harry,
your formestane bridge is a popular plan. BigT is sort of using it that way right now and he's doing very well.

I used a form bridge with Phera. I feel like I get the most out of my formestane for about 3 or 4 weeks and then I like the sudden switch to what I believe an equivelant dosage of another AI. Again, that's just my personal preference and is far from the consensus strategy I believe.

As far as synthetic goes, steroids and aromatase inhibitors are synthetic drugs whether they're otc, rc, or pharm.

Are you trying to ask if Formestane would be suppressive in pct? If so, you should be safe since just about every study that I've seen addressing that issue suggests that formestane is not suppressive in nature.
 
Alright, so what I'm taking from this is that 3 weeks in, I can integrate form into my cycle mid way, using it (form) for 6 weeks total, 3 weeks of which are on and 3 weeks of which are pct weeks (bumping up the dosage during the pct weeks). At which point I would turn to another ai.

Now ideally, how long would I want to run this second ai if I've already completed 3 weeks off cycle with form being the first ai?
 
bigT any labido issues using atd with form

im sure the form keeps labido high

i know atd crushes me but im married so sex isnt a big deal anymore lol
 
Outside Backer said:
bigT any labido issues using atd with form

im sure the form keeps labido high

i know atd crushes me but im married so sex isnt a big deal anymore lol
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I never have problems with ATD as long as I dont go over 50 mg everyday. Also, PCT Assist helps with the libido aspect of things alot.
 
Outside Backer said:
bigT any labido issues using atd with form

im sure the form keeps labido high

i know atd crushes me but im married so sex isnt a big deal anymore lol
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man, my libido is rockin-even at 50mg of inhibit-e. i am using form at 2 pumps 1 time a day and 6 pct assist. like cel say's pct assist has got to be helping. td formestane is a must [imo], for cycles that are known for shutdown. and as a solo run it can't be beat. i am a huge fan of this stuff.
 
Form has me foaming at the mouth it really does

and its exploding all over the net which is great for CEL


you guys are running pct assist with form? are you guys drying out? with the estrogen lowering effects plus forme aren't you completing killing off estrogen?

pct assist looks great to run while on cycle to keep labido up
 
Outside Backer said:
Form has me foaming at the mouth it really does

and its exploding all over the net which is great for CEL


you guys are running pct assist with form? are you guys drying out? with the estrogen lowering effects plus forme aren't you completing killing off estrogen?

pct assist looks great to run while on cycle to keep labido up
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the formestane will take care of on cycle libido, bet on it. i kept libido even on 5 caps of xtren. the suppress-c/inhibit-e is what is drying me out, have to watch doses carefully. i am leaning out like a anorexic teenager.
 
Harry,
I know you're not gonna like this but "it depends!"

1. My personal preference is to run form ON and then switch to another AI day 1 pct.

2. form is run ON at a low dose. If serm is involved, don't peak form dosage until the serm starts to taper.

3. If no serm is involved, peak your form dosage day 1 of pct and then taper it just like you would any AI.

I hope that clears it up.
 
celc5 said:
Harry,
I know you're not gonna like this but "it depends!"

1. My personal preference is to run form ON and then switch to another AI day 1 pct.

2. form is run ON at a low dose. If serm is involved, don't peak form dosage until the serm starts to taper.

3. If no serm is involved, peak your form dosage day 1 of pct and then taper it just like you would any AI.

I hope that clears it up.
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decisions decisions.

Let me see what i can put together.
 
bigt, celc5 heres a question:

There is another Form product on the market right now that is in tablet form. I'm not going to name names because by no means do I want this to be misconstrued as anything negative against the product, this is for informational purposes only. But this alternative Form product suggests that it increases free test/lowering SHBG and prevents hair loss by blocking 5a reductase activity. Seeing how they are both formestane (CEL vs. XXX), is the same (lower SHBG/Blocked 5a reductase activity) to be said for CEL's Formestane?

In short, does CEL formestane lower SHBG and block 5a reductase activity?
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Yes. Those benefits are attributed to formastane in general. Including topical.
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i was going to tell him what i thought of oral v td form, but what the heck it's the weekend. i hope a certain metal-man appreciates my tact,lol.
 
posting for a friend

Can form be used on the chest instead of inner arms? He is trying to reduce a pea size gyno...

I am using oral form (Yes I know I know) Just ran out of room for topical but if it doesnt produce, I will switch as my friend is loving your product
 
Jbrooks said:
posting for a friend

Can form be used on the chest instead of inner arms? He is trying to reduce a pea size gyno...

I am using oral form (Yes I know I know) Just ran out of room for topical but if it doesnt produce, I will switch as my friend is loving your product
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It can be used on the chest, but it is systemic, not localized.

Didnt understand what you meant about running out of room for a topical?
 
Thanks ,

Sorrry what I meant was I am doing oral as I'm doing other topicals and dont have much room to add another
 
Jbrooks said:
Thanks ,

Sorrry what I meant was I am doing oral as I'm doing other topicals and dont have much room to add another
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The areas for topical delivery for topical formestane are very diverse because it is systemic, not localized. You can use it on inside or arms, thighs, top of feet, etc.

Not trying to talk you into it, just providing info for those reading.
 
if i had unlimited supply i would fill bathtub and jump in/ok im just kidding, maybe? jbrooks tell you friend to apply 1 pump to each side of chest, even though td formestane is systematic i seem to get more effect at area i apply it to.
 
thebigt said:
if i had unlimited supply i would fill bathtub and jump in/ok im just kidding, maybe? jbrooks tell you friend to apply 1 pump to each side of chest, even though td formestane is systematic i seem to get more effect at area i apply it to.
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Thanks I will do that

Ok I might order a bottle for myself didnt realize I could take a foot bath in it lol
 
Bathing in Form?!?...excellent.

In other news, I have decided to utilize CEL td Form "on" cycle along side the ever popular hdrol. Is it me or does hdrol seem to be the honda civic/suzuki GSXR of PH's? Gotta love entry level life. Anyhow, you CEL guys are gonna love me. 85% of my arsenal is CEL products. I didn't originally plan it that way, but after research, many of your products suit my needs best. Kudos to you CEL.

Not that any of you truly care, just bringing closure to those of you who have helped me make the decision. To you, I thank.
 
Harry Manback said:
Bathing in Form?!?...excellent.

In other news, I have decided to utilize CEL td Form "on" cycle along side the ever popular hdrol. Is it me or does hdrol seem to be the honda civic/suzuki GSXR of PH's? Gotta love entry level life. Anyhow, you CEL guys are gonna love me. 85% of my arsenal is CEL products. I didn't originally plan it that way, but after research, many of your products suit my needs best. Kudos to you CEL.

Not that any of you truly care, just bringing closure to those of you who have helped me make the decision. To you, I thank.
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Glad we were able to help, and thanks for the support. We do our best.

I think that will be an excellent stack for you. Make sure that you use Cycle Assist while on cycle, I would start one week prior to your cycle and run it throughout.

Do you already have your PCT decided upon?
 
CEL products I will be utilizing this run; Cycle assist, pct assist, hdrol, formestane, suppress c.

I'll start a thread soon so we're not deviating too far from the thread topic here in formestane.
 
Harry Manback said:
CEL products I will be utilizing this run; Cycle assist, pct assist, hdrol, formestane, suppress c.

I'll start a thread soon so we're not deviating too far from the thread topic here in formestane.
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Excellent to hear. Was curious about your overall PCT. If you dont want to go over it in the thread, feel free to pm me a layout
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Excellent to hear. Was curious about your overall PCT. If you dont want to go over it in the thread, feel free to pm me a layout
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Sure, we can discuss this. Let me create a new thread. I should have some time this weekend. This way we don't junk up a form thread with irrelevant talk of other products.

A question on topic:

My cycle is your run of the mill 6 week 50/75/75 etc. I will be running CEL Form on cycle. What do you propose as to proper dosage for the 6 weeks while on hdrol I should run the form at?


...While finishing that sentence, I'm having second thoughts of running the two together as it seems it is better to run for "ON" with something a bit more harsh than hdrol...Enlighten me
 
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