New PH product..... Interested

isoc said:
was enough interest shown for this to be pursued?
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Yep, and we are persuing it. Sourcing has been more difficult then we first thought but I think we will still be able to get some in for lab testing. Once that happens and if it get's the "go" on purity then we will make an announcement.:thumbsup:
 
sounds great, interested to see what it is (although I am sure I will really have no clue, but still interested) and a little more in specifics as to effects, thanks a lot CEL!
 
I'm, like many, very interested in a non-methyl product for strength and hardening.
I hope you can find it for us! This is exciting!
 
corsaking said:
If its going to be non methyl , then i assume a high dosage would be required per day , so please put enough caps /tabs in to see reasonable results after use of one tub , and price it reasonably ( ideal UK price about £25)

thanks
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HAHAH hes a rather demanding English fellow isnt he?! LOL
 
luke1984 said:
I'm, like many, very interested in a non-methyl product for strength and hardening.
I hope you can find it for us! This is exciting!
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I am also interested in the pre-wkout boost/aggression and intensity this should have as well. I dont think I would be using till early/mid July, it would be great if it was out by then...
 
isoc said:
I am also interested in the pre-wkout boost/aggression and intensity this should have as well. I dont think I would be using till early/mid July, it would be great if it was out by then...
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theres a danger here that this new product is expected to do too much.
As regards pwo boost and aggression, supplements already exist to do this which are not connected to designer steroids/prohormones.

Lets keep it simple and lets get a product that will put on quality gains , even if its only 2 or 3 lbs in a 4 to 6 week period, that will do this as safe as possible

maybe one already exists?
 
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corsaking said:
theres a danger here that this new product is expected to do too much.
As regards pwo boost and aggression, supplements already exist to do this which are not connected to designer steroids/prohormones.

Lets keep it simple and lets get a product that will put on quality gains , even if its only 2 or 3 lbs in a 4 to 6 week period, that will do this as safe as possible

maybe one already exists?
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it does exist you are missing the point of this product bro
 
there are prewkout stims, etc., but I am talking about the prewkout aggression and focus that comes with the use of some hormonals, ie halotestin, test no ester, the old mdht, this is a different thing than a stim/focus blend, not knocking that either. And no, this does not mean roid rage.

I do agree with the couple pounds of easily maintainable gains and safer cycles, that is a good thing.
 
I just want to get this clear in my head -This will be a PROHORMONE which will have an ingredient or ingredients necessary for the conversion to a steroid to take place within the body or will it be a steroid and therefore the active ingredient requiring no conversion.

Do you understand where im coming from?
 
isoc said:
there are prewkout stims, etc., but I am talking about the prewkout aggression and focus that comes with the use of some hormonals, ie halotestin, test no ester, the old mdht, this is a different thing than a stim/focus blend, not knocking that either. And no, this does not mean roid rage.

I do agree with the couple pounds of easily maintainable gains and safer cycles, that is a good thing.
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exactly no caffeine or preworkout product can compare to a good ol hormone.
 
corsaking said:
I just want to get this clear in my head -This will be a PROHORMONE which will have an ingredient or ingredients necessary for the conversion to a steroid to take place within the body or will it be a steroid and therefore the active ingredient requiring no conversion.

Do you understand where im coming from?
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yes but they havent released the info yet so no one knows
 
corsaking said:
I just want to get this clear in my head -This will be a PROHORMONE which will have an ingredient or ingredients necessary for the conversion to a steroid to take place within the body or will it be a steroid and therefore the active ingredient requiring no conversion.

Do you understand where im coming from?
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Just a guess, but I would say pro hormone requiring conversion. If you look at most of the pro hormones vs already active steroids, the already active are more often methylated and the true ph's are mostly non-methyl, although not always true in either case, but I would say statistically speaking we would be leaning towards true ph.
 
isoc said:
Just a guess, but I would say pro hormone requiring conversion. If you look at most of the pro hormones vs already active steroids, the already active are more often methylated and the true ph's are mostly non-methyl, although not always true in either case, but I would say statistically speaking we would be leaning towards true ph.
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good to hear- i bought epidrol , only used 20 out of 90 -kept thinking about what i was doing to the liver, after all you only get one,
taking a non -meth prohormone i dont think id have the same hang-up
 
agreed, in general non-methyl are safer, and true ph's are usually a little weaker, so gains may be decreased, but so is risk, again generally speaking. Although, epi compounds are relatively less toxic than other compounds out there. For most people who do not have pre-existing conditions, and run sane dosages, 4-6 weeks a couple times per year is not that bad, but again we are speaking in general terms. Each person has their own risk level that they are willing to accept. The older I get, the less risk I am willing to take. I am still waiting for the compound that will do what this new mystery compound is supposed to do with very low neg sides, minimal hpta effect, obviously non methyl so no liver toxic, and no bad effect on cholesterol, etc., including eye sight. that eye sight thing makes me a little nervous, and also legal to purchase, possess, and ingest.
 
isoc said:
agreed, in general non-methyl are safer, and true ph's are usually a little weaker, so gains may be decreased, but so is risk, again generally speaking. Although, epi compounds are relatively less toxic than other compounds out there. For most people who do not have pre-existing conditions, and run sane dosages, 4-6 weeks a couple times per year is not that bad, but again we are speaking in general terms. Each person has their own risk level that they are willing to accept. The older I get, the less risk I am willing to take. I am still waiting for the compound that will do what this new mystery compound is supposed to do with very low neg sides, minimal hpta effect, obviously non methyl so no liver toxic, and no bad effect on cholesterol, etc., including eye sight. that eye sight thing makes me a little nervous, and also legal to purchase, possess, and ingest.
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excellent!! couldnt have put it better myself



now waiting in eager anticipation
 
an affordable furazadrol clone would be great.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Waiting for an updated guys. No definitive eta as of yet.
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^^ As he said, until we get test results back on the raws, there wont be any updates. Dont want to get hopes up for no reason.

thebigt said:
an affordable furazadrol clone would be great.
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There are two issues there, lack of quality raws at an affordable price, and the fact that there doesnt seem to be a clear standard for testing the raws to ensure quality.
 
from brief description of the end results I would say sounds like dht based, reminds me more of halotestin than var, as halo is supposed to enhance aggression, whereas never heard this from var, but have not used either of those two substances. In an earlier post I guessed a non methyl halotestin analogue/ph, but highly doubt it, would think more along the lines of dht derivative. I honestly dont care, outside of just curiosity, what it is, as long as it does what it says it will. As far as price goes, if this truly will help in aggression, anything hormonal is going to give a pump, we would be able to ditch any pre-wkout product, so we should take this into account, as most non-methyls are a little more expensive.
 
isoc said:
from brief description of the end results I would say sounds like dht based, reminds me more of halotestin than var, as halo is supposed to enhance aggression, whereas never heard this from var, but have not used either of those two substances. In an earlier post I guessed a non methyl halotestin analogue/ph, but highly doubt it, would think more along the lines of dht derivative. I honestly dont care, outside of just curiosity, what it is, as long as it does what it says it will. As far as price goes, if this truly will help in aggression, anything hormonal is going to give a pump, we would be able to ditch any pre-wkout product, so we should take this into account, as most non-methyls are a little more expensive.
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I honestly dont know anything about chemistry so idk if a non methyl version of halo is possible or economical but if they came out with something that was close to halo, methyl test, cheque strips it would honestly be insane Id personally buy 50 bottles lol thats per year btw. Any hormonal preworkout aggression product will rock this mfer
 
Mr.50 said:
Any idea on timeline yet? Sounds more like a cutter then a bulker so summer time would be better then fall
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I agree. We just have to wait and make sure that what we are trying to manufacture is EXACTLY what we want. Waiting sucks, but in the end getting the highest quality product for our customers is what counts. I think you guys will be pleased.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I agree. We just have to wait and make sure that what we are trying to manufacture is EXACTLY what we want. Waiting sucks, but in the end getting the highest quality product for our customers is what counts. I think you guys will be pleased.
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Waiting sux. But its kinda like getting a girl righto off the bat, but she is a 6-7/10 but if you wait long enough you get a 10/10

Patience is a virtue ^.^
 
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