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crystal meth and juice...

orangutan

orangutan

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i dont mean to bring negativity in here... but i know guys who do it to stay lean and have super strength/energy (makes sense i guess because one of the main ingrediants is ephedrine)
anyway, have any of u guys got ballsy and tried something like this before? i know its a horrible drug but just curious
 
Darwinism.... its not getting ballsy, its realizing your a bane on humanity and general stupid and should kill urself in a unique way combining chemicals...
 
Meth only makes people retarded (and I never use that word). If you have to use, or even consider using Meth, then enjoy being dragged to the depths of idiocy. I have NO respect for such people.
 
I had a friend that popped adderal like candy. He thought it helped his intensity in the gym and work. It took me a while to realize he had a problem, and I had to cut off my relationship with him. PLEASE don't go down this route. If you need more intensity in the gym, try ephedra or caffene. There are many supplements out that will help you with this.
 
It is really sad that AAS are attracting this type of loser. It used to be that people who used AAS woud never touch another drug except maybe for the occasional joint. Ever since the 90's with the Nubain craze it seems like it all went downhill. Now we have buff crackheads -- great.
 
Are u kidding me? Never seen a methhead with muscles.....or teeth for that matter. If they are buff, prolly won't be long. C'mon dude, we're here to IMPROVE our health and lifestyles. I don't think meth is gonna do it bro. I don't mean to start ****, but I don't think this post belongs in here.
 
Actaully, several people that I've known from the boards were addicted to Meth at some point. Then they quit to focus on health, but eventually fall of the wagon again. It's a sad cycle, that's for sure.
Cfour said:
Are u kidding me? Never seen a methhead with muscles.....or teeth for that matter. If they are buff, prolly won't be long. C'mon dude, we're here to IMPROVE our health and lifestyles. I don't think meth is gonna do it bro. I don't mean to start ****, but I don't think this post belongs in here.
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anyone who's considering using Tina to assist them in making gains in the gym/physique-wise definitely needs an in-depth psychological evaluation and possibly medication.

or maybe just a good ol' fashion belt whoopin'.
 
Im shure people have, not too many, but the bodybuilding boards only represent a small portion of the bodybuilding community. Most of my friends do not post on a forum. So if you get zero answers, that does not mean it would not happen.

Ephedrine and Meth are related, Ephedrine isnt safe either.

Just because its otc doesnt make it safe.

Some people Smoke cigarettes before a workout doesnt make it safe.

Some people take 3 scoops of NO Xplode before a workout, doesnt make it safe.

Do you know the biggest additiction in the US? Caffiene.
 
Ephedrine-hcl is ephedrine hydrochloride. Unless you are getting pharmaceutical methamphetamine you have no idea what you are getting. The waste byproducts of methamphetamine manufacture are toxic and carcinogenic. To take pharmaceutical methamphetamine is one thing, to take street meth is a completely different thing.
 
Mars1107 said:
Do you know the biggest additiction in the US? Caffiene.
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Fair. However, I haven't heard of people getting 'caffeine mouth.' I'm just saying.
 
orangutan said:
i dont mean to bring negativity in here... but i know guys who do it to stay lean and have super strength/energy (makes sense i guess because one of the main ingrediants is ephedrine)
anyway, have any of u guys got ballsy and tried something like this before? i know its a horrible drug but just curious
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There's no such things as a 'social' meth user. Once you start, there will be no stopping.
 
futurepilot said:
There's no such things as a 'social' meth user. Once you start, there will be no stopping.
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eh... i beg to differ. Ive never tried meth to clarify though but...

There are many different lists, of comparing what drug is the most addictive.

Nicotine, Herion, Oxycotin, Valium, Coke, and Ritalin are on the top of the list. To say which ones are MORE addictive is not clear to me.

But Ive never seen a list that puts meth on the top.

Anyways, ive tried a few drugs, and ive become addicted to none. They all pretty much suck. So therefore, even though i think Meth is a stupid drug, i think an arguement can be made for an occasional user.

Addiction varies with the person. An addictive personality type can become addicted to anything.


Also a lot of the negatives of meth usage, has to do with its illegality, its on the street and its not pure. The type of environment you are thrown in.


Also i am a proponent of getting rid of the drug war, but thats another thread:usa1:

Another comment, most drugs suck, really, they're not worth your time. All you get is a great intial time, then followed by an equally worse time period of crap. Only exception is Marijuanna.

However, you can use any drug to your advantage, and if you use them smartly, you cannot become addicted. (That is if you are not hindered by genetics and poor addiction) traits)
 
Stating that there are no social users of meth is ridiculous. No drug will you try once and forever be in its evil clasp. I've tried basically everything BUT meth and never once felt that I was addicted in the least bit. I would think that the blood pressure spike in combination with AAS would suck. And taking meth before you worked out would be retarded because your heart would be pounding through your chest and your endurance would go waaaay down.
 
I had a cousin who went way over board on the juice (meaning he took way too much with out bothering to educate himself or without proper PCT) and immdiately followed that up with a rageing addiction to smoking crystal meth all within a year and a half. It seemed like one month he was bulked up, the next he was sucked up. It was pretty crazy. It really left him with some lingering mental health issues. Meth is nasty stuff.
 
Nicotine has the highest LD 50 (40-60mg can kill an adult), but to throw Valium and Vicodin in the same class with the rest is a tad absurd. Different receptors and class of drug.
 
Are you asking because you are considering this?

Knowing your past issues with dope, i would like to think there is no way in hell you would consider using meth as a performance enhancing drug.

FWIW, i knew a dude who was juiced out of his mind, who more or less used coke for the same purpose(besides i am sure he loved it), especially coming into shows.. Seems a bit extreme to me.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Are you asking because you are considering this?

Knowing your past issues with dope, i would like to think there is no way in hell you would consider using meth as a performance enhancing drug.

FWIW, i knew a dude who was juiced out of his mind, who more or less used coke for the same purpose(besides i am sure he loved it), especially coming into shows.. Seems a bit extreme to me.
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Thats kinda more of what i was getting at...
There are guys who are deticated in the training/eating/sleeping part and mean buisness in the gym(no socializing)....then there are the roiders who do drugs, party, socialize and f*ck all the chicks in the gym. i only posted because i definently see a difference in the gym when it comes to the two....or maybe i observe too much i duno.


btw. ive done every drug in the past....and any addict will tell u opiates are by far the most addictive because they are PHYSICALLY addictive....not just mentaly
 
I dont care what science says, what comparisons can be made to other drugs, what type of rationalizations people want to come up with, this is a baaaaaaad idea period, end of sentence. Dont mean to sound harsh, but in this case it is needed and I dont care if someone is offended.

OP, trust me, it is in your best interests to stay away from that stuff at all costs
 
orangutan said:
btw. ive done every drug in the past....and any addict will tell u opiates are by far the most addictive because they are PHYSICALLY addictive....not just mentaly
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FWIW ACTUAL alcholism, and addiction to benzos are both very physically addictive, and can have some of the worst withdrawals(death).
 
Rodja said:
Nicotine has the highest LD 50 (40-60mg can kill an adult), but to throw Valium and Vicodin in the same class with the rest is a tad absurd. Different receptors and class of drug.
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I dont know why they throw them on those lists but they do, if you check out lists, i always see valium somewhere.:dunno:
 
isoc said:
I dont care what science says, what comparisons can be made to other drugs, what type of rationalizations people want to come up with, this is a baaaaaaad idea period, end of sentence. Dont mean to sound harsh, but in this case it is needed and I dont care if someone is offended.

OP, trust me, it is in your best interests to stay away from that stuff at all costs
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Of course its a stupid idea, i dont think anyone here argue for it.

I argued that its not the end all be all to your life.
 
Alcohol if I know this right, is the only addiction which if you cut off cold turkey the withdraw can kill you.
 
Are we really having this conversation?

DON'T BE A CRACKHEAD. End of story.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Meth only makes people retarded (and I never use that word). If you have to use, or even consider using Meth, then enjoy being dragged to the depths of idiocy. I have NO respect for such people.
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Agree, with all respect, people who ask this questions, don't know what meth is or what it does.
 
B5150 said:
Ephedrine-hcl is ephedrine hydrochloride. Unless you are getting pharmaceutical methamphetamine you have no idea what you are getting. The waste byproducts of methamphetamine manufacture are toxic and carcinogenic. To take pharmaceutical methamphetamine is one thing, to take street meth is a completely different thing.
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There are many dead police officers and firefighters that have walked in a home where meth was produced and stirred up the gases from carpet fibers that settled and they breathed it and died.
 
Mars1107 said:
Of course its a stupid idea, i dont think anyone here argue for it.

I argued that its not the end all be all to your life.
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Good post, agreed, we all need to realize the importance, role, and priority lifting should have and maintain balance, understanding that it can be indiviudal depending on a number of different factors. But I think that perspective would keep the abuse of any type of drug, including supps and super supps to a minimum, and crazy ideas like this would not even be a topic.
 
imprezivr6 said:
FWIW ACTUAL alcholism, and addiction to benzos are both very physically addictive, and can have some of the worst withdrawals(death).
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very true, as fas as death is concerned alcohol is the riskiest withdrawl......but who said death was the worst part about kicking?
try them all, then come back and talk to me...lol
 
orangutan said:
i dont mean to bring negativity in here... but i know guys who do it to stay lean and have super strength/energy (makes sense i guess because one of the main ingrediants is ephedrine)
anyway, have any of u guys got ballsy and tried something like this before? i know its a horrible drug but just curious
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Wanna know what happens for real? Here you go conversation in someones head

OK two hits of this then I'm good to go off to the gym two hits later wait i didnt' get the last one that good two more hits. Aright starting to feel it let go. gets up grabs gloves keys. Wait there still some left in the pipe might as well finish is and then go for some PR's. couple more hits later YEAH let's do this wait let me rest a bit i dont' want anyone at the gym looking at my eyes wide open. OK OK I'm ready get up time to go **** now i'm down lets get one more hit before I leave. 3 hours later damn i missed my work out and I know i would of been tearing it up........

I know it's not scientific or anything like that but it's probablly one of the most realistic versions.
 
mixedup said:
Wanna know what happens for real? Here you go conversation in someones head

OK two hits of this then I'm good to go off to the gym two hits later wait i didnt' get the last one that good two more hits. Aright starting to feel it let go. gets up grabs gloves keys. Wait there still some left in the pipe might as well finish is and then go for some PR's. couple more hits later YEAH let's do this wait let me rest a bit i dont' want anyone at the gym looking at my eyes wide open. OK OK I'm ready get up time to go **** now i'm down lets get one more hit before I leave. 3 hours later damn i missed my work out and I know i would of been tearing it up........

I know it's not scientific or anything like that but it's probablly one of the most realistic versions.
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That I think is pretty much accurate from what I have seen of the addicts around.
 
orangutan said:
very true, as fas as death is concerned alcohol is the riskiest withdrawl......but who said death was the worst part about kicking?
try them all, then come back and talk to me...lol
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Opiates are much easier/quicker to build a physical dependence on that is for sure.

Death is the end of the road, it doesn't get worse then that really as there is no coming back. You may WANT to die when kicking opiates, though..lol

My point was, that it is not the only drug that is physically addictive as you made it out to be.

Like i have said before, i have been through the H detox with friends on numerous occasions. One being a VERY heavy user, for 5years, and that **** was indeed UGLY. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
 
havent they been experimenting with sedating people when they are kicking an addiction as bad as meth? To ease the pain? Or did they decide it carried too many dangers?
 
I think that some people's opinion on METHheads, CRACKheads, being retared is true to a certain extent, but you really are taking a one-sided approach to the issue.

These drugs are not good for anybody.

Some people have genetic and social makeups that give them a propensity to become addicts, its not entirely their choice.

Yes of course, the people become stupid due to the drugs, but they're not retards. I wouldnt use that word, it could be as offending as a drug user to you, as offending to that drug user to themself.

and to remind, if theoretically meth was legal, there wouldnt be dangerous meth labs. Its illegality just makes it more dangerous. And i dont think MORE people will become addicted to it if it were legal, theres really no scientific correlation you can bring up.

However, i can bring up many facts to support why making meth in particular legal, would be beneficial. Even though i dont codone the use of drugs:wave2:

I also believe in civil liberties and freedom, and drug usage is part of that as well. Theres no reason for the government to hinder are own PERSONAL moral dilemas through their laws. Whether it be, steroids, opiates, stimulants, or psychedelics.

Now, your rebuttle to that, yes i dont want people personal moral dilemas to conflict with others. I.E.Don't drink and drive. This law is completely neccesary and morally correct.
 
Zero V said:
Alcohol if I know this right, is the only addiction which if you cut off cold turkey the withdraw can kill you.
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i thought this was the case with heroin. didn't know it was like this with alcohol though. :dunno:
 
purebred said:
i thought this was the case with heroin. didn't know it was like this with alcohol though. :dunno:
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Actually opiate withdrawals are very seldom fatal. They are horrible to my understanding, but rarely do they actually kill the addict.

Alcohol on the other hand can and will kill you if you are severely addicted and go cold turkey.
 
GMG760 said:
Actually opiate withdrawals are very seldom fatal. They are horrible to my understanding, but rarely do they actually kill the addict.

Alcohol on the other hand can and will kill you if you are severely addicted and go cold turkey.
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Not many people have first-hand witnessed an alcoholic going through delerium tremens. Let me tell you, it isn't something you'd wish on your worst enemy. It's something you'd almost have to see to believe.

Not to mention death is very much a real possibility if left untreated secondary to seizure activity/massive electrolyte imbalances.
 
Trauma1 said:
Not many people have first-hand witnessed an alcoholic going through delerium tremens. Let me tell you, it isn't something you'd wish on your worst enemy. It's something you'd almost have to see to believe.

Not to mention death is very much a real possibility if left untreated secondary to seizure activity/massive electrolyte imbalances.
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Its like being stuck in a state of dieing in the most painful way possible, over, and over, and over, and over, and over....thats the only way its been described to me...

I actually do have a worst enemy...But I will plead the fifth on whether or not I would wish that on him...I am actually the most sadistic person alive ^.^ Just too nice to hurt anyone. but if it happens naturally >.>
 
well let me say right off the bat....drugs are the solution to your problems, they are not the problem themselves. thats why anti-drug commercials and anti-drug teachings in schools DONT MAKE ANY SENSE.....being pier pressured into a drug has nothing to do with becoming addicted. your personality defects will decide whether u become addicted or not. basically in a nut shell...if the drug fills a hole in your persona(or atleast enough to make u think it does), u will more than likely become addicted. now, u can stay away from ever doing drugs in general to avoid this...but c'mon, isnt everyone going to try legal alcohol use or weed at some point? thats why alcohol needs to be included in anti-drug themes. its like the worst/most violent f*king one of all. makes NO sense

on the other note....keep in mind ive done both.... alcohol detox is horrible and u can die from seizures.... however it does not hold a candlestick to kicking opiates. kicking dope is the worst thing u can possibly go through in life, it is hell on earth. u will pray for eternal sleep everyday.. if my whole family died tommrow, it would not even compare to kicking dope. i say that with no hesitation.
if anyone has ever kicked methadone, u know what im talking about.
 
orangutan said:
well let me say right off the bat....drugs are the solution to your problems, they are not the problem themselves.
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Let me say right off the bat that drugs are not the solution to your problems. They are a symptom of your problem and their use will only further complicate the original problem to the point where you will have no clue how and why your drug problem started.
 
indianballer said:
Stating that there are no social users of meth is ridiculous. No drug will you try once and forever be in its evil clasp. I've tried basically everything BUT meth and never once felt that I was addicted in the least bit. I would think that the blood pressure spike in combination with AAS would suck. And taking meth before you worked out would be retarded because your heart would be pounding through your chest and your endurance would go waaaay down.
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What you have just typed is that you have smoked crack?
I've never seen an occassional crack smoker. I've seen some that claim they are but they are lying to themselves...
How can you occassionally smoke crack? So, only smoke it on holidays, twice a month or once a new yrs. Even if so, you are still an addict.
 
mixedup said:
Wanna know what happens for real? Here you go conversation in someones head

OK two hits of this then I'm good to go off to the gym two hits later wait i didnt' get the last one that good two more hits. Aright starting to feel it let go. gets up grabs gloves keys. Wait there still some left in the pipe might as well finish is and then go for some PR's. couple more hits later YEAH let's do this wait let me rest a bit i dont' want anyone at the gym looking at my eyes wide open. OK OK I'm ready get up time to go **** now i'm down lets get one more hit before I leave. 3 hours later damn i missed my work out and I know i would of been tearing it up........

I know it's not scientific or anything like that but it's probablly one of the most realistic versions.
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aint that right. i had a buddy of mine who was naturally lean mane and he worked out for 3-4 hours busting his butt. used to work out 6 days a week and then he started the habit of using meth.. and he'd come in with his eyes bugged out. worked out for a half an hour and start getting texts over the phone about some chick wanting him to cum over so he left the work out and disappeared for a couple of weeks. he told me it takes over you and you lose track of time and what day it is, what you did and who you are you don't even know anymore. he says its a very scary addiction and something some people can control.. but not for very long before they lose themselves.
 
orangutan said:
well let me say right off the bat....drugs are the solution to your problems, they are not the problem themselves. thats why anti-drug commercials and anti-drug teachings in schools DONT MAKE ANY SENSE.....being pier pressured into a drug has nothing to do with becoming addicted. your personality defects will decide whether u become addicted or not. basically in a nut shell...if the drug fills a hole in your persona(or atleast enough to make u think it does), u will more than likely become addicted. now, u can stay away from ever doing drugs in general to avoid this...but c'mon, isnt everyone going to try legal alcohol use or weed at some point? thats why alcohol needs to be included in anti-drug themes. its like the worst/most violent f*king one of all. makes NO sense

on the other note....keep in mind ive done both.... alcohol detox is horrible and u can die from seizures.... however it does not hold a candlestick to kicking opiates. kicking dope is the worst thing u can possibly go through in life, it is hell on earth. u will pray for eternal sleep everyday.. if my whole family died tommrow, it would not even compare to kicking dope. i say that with no hesitation.
if anyone has ever kicked methadone, u know what im talking about.
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How long were you an alcoholic for?

How long did you use opiates, and to what extent?
 
Mars1107 said:
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Some people have genetic and social makeups that give them a propensity to become addicts, its not entirely their choice.
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Wait, Huh? What about personal choice? Are you saying that the person does not choose to do the drug? If they did not choose to do the drug, then they would not had become addicted IF they had a genetic makeup to become so.

I still think people need to be responsible for their own actions. No one else makes them do it.
 
dg806 said:
Wait, Huh? What about personal choice? Are you saying that the person does not choose to do the drug? If they did not choose to do the drug, then they would not had become addicted IF they had a genetic makeup to become so.

I still think people need to be responsible for their own actions. No one else makes them do it.
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I second that it's like the children of alcholics who never take a drink because they fear their genetic disposition or the person who knows they have an addictive personality so steers clear of any type of drug. You still have to make the choice to take the drug even if you are predisposed to addiction if you never take the drug it doesn't matter
 
Zero V said:
havent they been experimenting with sedating people when they are kicking an addiction as bad as meth? To ease the pain? Or did they decide it carried too many dangers?
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it works, and its safe. the issue most doctors have when prescribing it though, is who's to say that the addict in question isn't already on sedatives, and is just getting more.

having a psychiatrist in my family, and a close friend who's a psychologist, they say the easiest way to detox off opiates is to switch to 20mg of diazepam (valium) for 2 weeks, then quit the diazepam cold turkey. valium should take care of the random panic attacks from withdrawal, but won't help with the leg twitches, or the crawling in your skin feeling.

again, the primary issue though, is most prescription opiate addicts (not street heroin users), are already addicted to other meds, so the doctor is forced to figure out if the addict is really trying to detox, or if they're just searching for more meds.
 
orangutan said:
well let me say right off the bat....drugs are the solution to your problems, they are not the problem themselves. thats why anti-drug commercials and anti-drug teachings in schools DONT MAKE ANY SENSE.....being pier pressured into a drug has nothing to do with becoming addicted. your personality defects will decide whether u become addicted or not. basically in a nut shell...if the drug fills a hole in your persona(or atleast enough to make u think it does), u will more than likely become addicted. now, u can stay away from ever doing drugs in general to avoid this...but c'mon, isnt everyone going to try legal alcohol use or weed at some point? thats why alcohol needs to be included in anti-drug themes. its like the worst/most violent f*king one of all. makes NO sense

on the other note....keep in mind ive done both.... alcohol detox is horrible and u can die from seizures.... however it does not hold a candlestick to kicking opiates. kicking dope is the worst thing u can possibly go through in life, it is hell on earth. u will pray for eternal sleep everyday.. if my whole family died tommrow, it would not even compare to kicking dope. i say that with no hesitation.
if anyone has ever kicked methadone, u know what im talking about.
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Dude, you are 25, when have you had time to get completely dependant on all of these drugs? You say that you have been on every drug known to man yet haven't lived long enough to have had time to be 'hooked'. There's a difference in trying and being an addict.
I think you have experimented and maybe have been addicted to something but all drugs known to man, as you put it?

Not sure where or why the topic popped up though? Who's going to agree that meth is a great way to stay lean, the healthiest. There are multiple paths without the use of meth....wtf?
 
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