Tegs LIFE Challange to OVERCOME Crohns Colitis and Ectomorphizem!

[Teg]

Let us consider somthing for a second..... I am going to probably piss someone off but i feel like if i really care about you i need to tell you my version of the truth!

Nope no one getting poed here.

Your body is allegedly tainted with some illness and trying to fight it, i guess? and then you take supplements with a purpose of sports performance, muscle and strength gain....

Which will try to allocate what little nutrients and water you DO have for your muscles....

Which inevitably leaves you sluggish , weak and tired due to your body as a whole lacking sufficient nutrition.

Yes, crohns is an illness which if you dont know or understand youll have to go do some research, and yes i take supps to help with muscle perfomance and yes i want them to help gain. The thing you dont get is there is a biproduct from them that i get, and thats feeling good/better. They believe it or not help me feel better while helping gain muscle! I cant give it to you in scientific terms, but it works, how do i know this? Ive experimented over the last 5yrs, and guess what, i actally FEEL BETTER then BEFOR! Supps, and Exersize/Lifting has been shown to improve crohns. I rarely feel sluggish or tired

I personally believe that you are VERY toxic and your body has been telling you for a VERY long time.

Of course it is, i have crohns!

The drugs you take keep you going in this state much like caffeine keeps awake a tired trucker who doesnt want to go to sleep, people need sleep and the drugs are only delaying or preventing your body from doing what it needs to.

You need rest and you need to get healthy BEFORE ANY long term health gains are possible... and in turn will leave your body in a position to HAVE and KEEP muscle. You are so unhealthy that you simply cannot support a muscled frame, you cannot be a high performance athlete with just willpower.

You body has told you this time and time again.....
The drugs that i have been on are what has kept me ALIVE! I dont know what you mean by get rest and get healthy? Ill never be "healthy" as the typical person is. Even guys/girls that are in remission never as "healthy" as the typcial person. BUT yet, there are PLENTY of ppl out there living a athaletic life with Crohns, Colits and IBS! There is one football player, that i cant remember his name along with a couple other athletes that have it and still do it in and outta remission!

Anyone who eats like you will eventually feel the way you do. Then there will be a doctor to tell them what drug to take and how to medicate it.... WHICH WILL NEVER MAKE IT GO AWAY. DRUGS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION!! They are very dangerous and will keep you in this toxic state FOREVER!!

Then PLEASE tell me what to eat that WILL NOT cause me pain and STILL keep me healthy and not end up in the hospital in 30days! Cause ive tryed over and over and over and over and over and over again! 17+ yrs and trust me, i keep trying things! YOUR RIGHT drugs are NOT the solution, but they are what has been and still are keeping me ALIVE this long. And your right again, they wont make it go away, but from ALL MY research ALL THE DRS research there is NOTHING that makes it go away. There is NO cure, there are only treatments. Weather it be by drugs, diets, holistic, natropathic ETC. But its never gone away! ANYTHING can be toxic, its all depentent upon each persons body! Everyones body is different same with crohns/colitis/IBS

SO logically you cant go on like this forever, you need to change. You need to eat better, you need to get off the drugs albeit slowly, since i know nothing of this drug. You cannot tolerate certain foods due to the very poor condition of your pancreas and small intestine. You lose muscle very easily because you are malnutritioned and you metabolise your own body to keep going. That gurgling is a high acidic stomach that is probably reacting to the acidic compounds that you just ingested and i am assuming you frequently have horrendous gas that is an indication of the very poor state of your digestive system.

Logically what other choice do i have? As stated BEFORE, How do i eat better and NOT HAVE PAIN? And again, As stated before ive tryed time and time again, still yet, no such luck! Nope, no gas. When i was younger i did, but anymore now days its the typical protein gas. My guess was its something i was tryin, i stopped it, and guess what it stopped. But of course my digestive system is in "poor state" that compared to a normal person, thats part of crohns! I know your goin to say well then you need to fix that or you need to do this or that. Thats what im working on

You need a plan. You need to lower your acidity so that you body can host the proper digestive enzymes and probiotic cultures necessary for you to digest the alkaline fruits and vegetables that are missing from your life. Then you need to take a break from the gym and eliminate ALL acidic food items that are unneccessary and eat a diet consisting of anti oxidants and a ratio of 80% alkaline and 20% acidic foods.

Well im all ears, but remember, its gotta involve not having pain that puts me in the hospital. Its a catch 22 bro!

You need to cleanse you body of toxins or you WILL have cancer or some other fatal illness. I am not being mean, i am not being rude i am being candid and i hate to see you go on like this in circles forever. How are things going to miraculously be perfect?

I know your not bro. But im not expecting them to be perfect. Nothing is and nothing ever will be, simple as that. I know this and accept it, but i do my best to do what works for me.

I am very impressed by your fighting spirit and positive attitude.
Thank You :bow:

You need to stop making excuses and saying youve done it all, thanks but no thanks to other peoples advice since you have only managed to keep yourself sick with your efforts.

No excuses here! I never said ive done it all, i have DONE ALOT, but there is always something new, something someone has never thought of and i know that better then anyone else and i understand it to boot! Actually like i said befor, OTHERS advise has not kept me sick, it has helped me. No offense, but that last part is VERY ignorant on your part being that you have no clue who ive talked to, what ive done, and how ive came to be were im at today!

YOU DONT HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS.

I know this, thats why im always trying new things and keep an open mind! With in reason of course!

Your positive attitude will be an asset when you rid yourself of toxic drugs, detoxify, lower your acidity, build up your immune system, begin to host your own healthy digestive system and then eventually your body will be able to digest supplements, maintain large amounts of muscle and digest enough nutrition to support your entire system.

I cant go on telling you "good job" " soldier on" Becasue i believe down in my heart that there is hope and a solution for you. I will not say one more word in this thread if you so wish teg, i honestly have the purest intentions you just need to give it a chance! Every second that goes by is a chance to turn it all around and i believe you can. You have the most important part of the puzzle, a great attitude. Dont let your positive attitude keep you happy with being sick.

Guess what it comes down to is you need to study more on crohns/colitis/IBS or i need to fig out a way(which ive been doing for many many years) to help myself be "healthier"

^^^^ dude its chrones. Look it up....... Toxicity is what a chrones patient deals with all the time. Im sure and i know that Teg is always looking at his diet.....

Yes.

I'm not going to hate on Somewhat's post above, because I agree with most of what he says. However, its going to have to be Teg's decision in the long run... I really don't see a DS cycle going well for you at this stage of your life man - but I do wish you the best in it - and of course I'll be following along.

That's the last time I'm going to be a buzzkill - but yes, it should be said.

I agree with most of it as well, but its not as simple as all of it! At this stage in my life, im healthyier then IVE EVER BEEN! I appreciate you TL and SWG for yalls info and advise, weather it seems like i do or dont, i truly do! When i do a cycle, itll either work or it wont, just as in everything else in life. Thank TL

I have to agree with SWG as well. But Timberlakers is also right, in that it will ultimately be Tegs decision. I'll still be following along but Teg i would almost guarantee that your pain would decrease if you started eating healthier. I'm not saying that you'll be pain free but a little less pain is always good. Always remember that your body is like a car and shitty fuel will make car run bad and your body is the same way. Either which way good luck teg and i'll be following along.

Thanks Pun! But as stated many times befor, i eat healthy, just not compard to yalls! I eat what dont bother me! Simple as that!



EVERYONES body is different, and it aint any different with Crohns! MADDS has crohns, yet he eat Fruits and Veggies and and hes good to go! I know i have said this befor, but i have spoken at crohns/colitis conferences, speakings, support groups etc. and talked to many ppl who have all this ish and fact remains, EVERYONE can tolerate certain foods. 1 guy in our support group can drink milk all day everyday even when hes doing bad, yet, he eats 1 bite of steak or chicken and hes dieing in pain, MADDS on the other hand can eat fruits and veggies, ME on the other hand can not, another good friend of mine cant eat anything unless its fresh, and another that eats fast food everyday all day yet he eats "healthy" and hes in pain, bathroom trips ETC.........

So with that all said i want thank SWG and TL for being good guys, and having care enough to say anything!

 

[TimberLakers]

Pretty sure Allan Green has Crohns... He knocked a fool out on Showtime last Friday. Impressive fighter. I think he had a couple feet of intestine removed.

 

[buster0371]

somewhatgifteds post has really shaken me up. Teg, you are an amazing guy with an attitude and drive that I could only dream of having. You're knowledgeable and smart with every decision you make. I am really shaken by Somewhatgifted's post. I feel in my heart that he could be shedding some much needed light on an unspoken subject. But what do you do? I'll back you play Teg, no matter what, cuz I know you don't make stupid choices. But I feel the DS route right now is a NO NO. Maybe supplements in general are ok, but DS is putting so much stress and trauma on your body, organs, and receptors when your already in a fragile state. Messing with your lipid profile could be bad. I'm always here if you need an opinion.... :wave:

 

[madds87]

^^^ Yeah unfortunately thats the last thing you want to do. Its a very very very scary surgery, and its the last thing you want to do.

 

[TimberLakers]

^^^ Yeah unfortunately thats the last thing you want to do. Its a very very very scary surgery, and its the last thing you want to do.

No doubt. Seemed to work well for him, but it was a very long recovery period.

 

[Teg]

somewhatgifteds post has really shaken me up. Teg, you are an amazing guy with an attitude and drive that I could only dream of having. You're knowledgeable and smart with every decision you make. I am really shaken by Somewhatgifted's post. I feel in my heart that he could be shedding some much needed light on an unspoken subject. But what do you do? I'll back you play Teg, no matter what, cuz I know you don't make stupid choices. But I feel the DS route right now is a NO NO. Maybe supplements in general are ok, but DS is putting so much stress and trauma on your body, organs, and receptors when your already in a fragile state. Messing with your lipid profile could be bad. I'm always here if you need an opinion.... :wave:

Thanks Brotha! As far as the DS thing goes, dont worry, ive got some good ppl lookin out for me, drs are in on it, and i get blood work done every month not to mention ive been planning this for a couple years now. Right now is actually the best time to do it if any!

^^^ Yeah unfortunately thats the last thing you want to do. Its a very very very scary surgery, and its the last thing you want to do.

Yup, surg. is only putting a bandaid on a gapping wound with crohns! I wouldnt say its scarry, atleast to me its not. Most crohns patients avg for having surg. is about the 5yr mark, i have gone 17+years without having 1 surg! Must mean im doing something right

No doubt. Seemed to work well for him, but it was a very long recovery period.

Yes. Typically a full recov is about 6months - 1year depending on type of surgery and how much is taken out and were!

The football player i was thinking of plays for the Jacksonville Jags... Still cant member his name. But there are PLENTY of "famous/atheltes" that have Crohns/colitis.... John F Kennedy has Colitis

 

[TimberLakers]

You mean J.F.K. HAD Colitis?

 

[buster0371]

Thanks Brotha! As far as the DS thing goes, dont worry, ive got some good ppl lookin out for me, drs are in on it, and i get blood work done every month not to mention ive been planning this for a couple years now. Right now is actually the best time to do it if any!

Like I said, I trust you BRAHEIM. Do you know your baseline test levels yet? Definately figure that out so you know where you have to get back to with your PCT. Have you tried any natty test boosters yet like DTH? I know DTH helped me gain 12lbs. in a month with no sides or shutdown.

 

[TimberLakers]

PS - if the Doctors are in on it... why not just get a perscription for testosterone? And are they "in" on you getting research chemicals?

DS are pretty taxing on the liver and pancreas.

 

[Teg]

You mean J.F.K. HAD Colitis?

hahaha Yes Sorry...

Like I said, I trust you BRAHEIM. Do you know your baseline test levels yet? Definately figure that out so you know where you have to get back to with your PCT. Have you tried any natty test boosters yet like DTH? I know DTH helped me gain 12lbs. in a month with no sides or shutdown.

Total test last check(last month) was in 650s. Which falls into the average. Yuppers... Ive tryed a couple and other things over the last 5yrs... Blue Up was by far my fav. tho. Havnt tryed is DTH tho.

PS - if the Doctors are in on it... why not just get a perscription for testosterone? And are they "in" on you getting research chemicals?

DS are pretty taxing on the liver and pancreas.

Cause he wont give me one. Asked about it and said that since my levels are average he cant? Hrrmmm? And yes they know about everything, but "dont know" everything
Yes they are. Good thing ive never drank, smoked, etc and all the blood work has been great!

 

[buster0371]

PS - if the Doctors are in on it... why not just get a perscription for testosterone? And are they "in" on you getting research chemicals?

DS are pretty taxing on the liver and pancreas.

yeah get a script for testosterone. the gel that you rub on your shoulders. "TESTIM"

My friend has a bunch of samples of Testim and i used it one day and OMG!!!! Off of one little application of testim i was rock hard 8 times in a row that day. the first 3 rounds there was no rest period, i went back to back if you know what im saying. :hitit:

 

[suncloud]

DS are pretty taxing on the liver and pancreas.

if you're dead set on this, what are you planning on running, and could you possibly pulse it to keep your internals a little healthier? additionally, since your workout is MWF a pulse may suit you better?

 

[buster0371]

good to know your test levels are healthy

 

[buster0371]

if you're dead set on this, what are you planning on running, and could you possibly pulse it to keep your internals a little healthier? additionally, since your workout is MWF a pulse may suit you better?

x2

pulsing epi might be nice

 

[somewhatgifted]

Well guys there are diseases that exist now that never existed before. It is becasue we have drugs, chemicals and food that never existed until now.

I believe that most if not all diseases have been overcome by atleast one person. I also believe that all problems with the human machine are the result of what has been put in or not put in it. We are living organisms and the mutations and variances havent happened due to bad luck. IT was either the environment, the intake or another changeable variable.

It is from this angle that i think it is imperative to try new variables, mush like a scientist who fails at binding two compounds or like a chemist who cannot make the cells stable. It doesnt make sense to me. I do know exactly what chrons is i believe i have all the symptoms, my brother also has IBS, but i dont give it a name besides "poor diet" becasue that is exactly what it is. I refuse to go to a doctor and have him validate my error and medicate the symptoms.

I have lost over 50 pounds in three years and worked my way backup again. I have vommited what looked like tar and mucus and been on the toilet doubled over for hours at a time. I have developed asthma, allergies, food allergies, eczema, low testosterone at times, easily stressed, very bad flaking and dry scalp, weak or poor orgasms, blotchy skin, low muscle tone, chronic fatigue, i would hit a wall in my training and just go weak, I have seen blood in my stool and had bouts of very dark strong smelling urine. I have had much difficulty gaining weight, breaking plateus and recovering from workouts from time to time. I had one spell where i didnt eat for almost two weeks, cause i couldnt, and lost 16 pounds. I had small wounds take along time to heal, inflammed colon, gassy bloated guts, frequent trips to the toilet and diahreah or some other form of toilet problem that wast a normal crap for almost 3 consecutive years. I never stopped living my life and lifted weights, played rugby and football but i payed dearly in pain and almost instant weight loss from giving it my all and gassing out and not being able to absorb the foods i ate.

So heres what ive done to bounce back.

Stopped using chewing tobbacco, stopped drinking coffee, stopped drinking pop, stopped all meds and supps, stopped stressing about protein and consiming shake after shake of lopsided nutrition, stopped eating dairy, stopped eating garbage processed foods, started eating carrots, celery and other water bearing veggies. I dont eat that many veggies but i try to eat a fair amount of what i do like/tolerate. I know what chrons is and its just a name and a reason to say youve done all you can.

Both my grandparents dont eat fruit and vegetables.
My grandmother had a double massectomy due to her third breast lump in less than two years. She vomits after most meals and it tired and weak all the time. She has had skin cancer, lumps, cysts and thyroid problems.

My grandfather had terminal pancreas cancer and if hes not asleep he lives in severe abdominal pain. He is diabetic and has had a quadrouple bypass on his heart.

My mother has had two lumps removed and has a host of issues and ilnesses and is on oxygen at the age of 45.

My aunt has had one ovarie and her womb removed due to cancer and should not have lived past 30, she had a baby who shouldnt have lived and the cancer surgery followed my cousins birth.


All of these people have been close to me and i have been monitoring their diets and lifestyles. A few things standout. Coffee, tobacco, processed foods, pop and very low amounts of dietary fibre as well as very low amounts of alkaline forming foods like fruits and vegatables. Most veggies comsumed were cooked.

I have seen first hand my aunt, mother and grandmother feel and look better that they have in years due to my telling them about eating fruits and vegetables. They had to choose it, they have to do it.

If you cant eat certain foods then eat the ones you can but get rid of the toxins and eat more alkaline foods.

Disease doesnt run in my family but poor/missinformed eating habits do.

 

[Teg]

yeah get a script for testosterone. the gel that you rub on your shoulders. "TESTIM"

My friend has a bunch of samples of Testim and i used it one day and OMG!!!! Off of one little application of testim i was rock hard 8 times in a row that day. the first 3 rounds there was no rest period, i went back to back if you know what im saying. :hitit:

Tryed but like i said he said it was a no go cause levels were avg. :dunno:

if you're dead set on this, what are you planning on running, and could you possibly pulse it to keep your internals a little healthier? additionally, since your workout is MWF a pulse may suit you better?

Well the ones in mind are, Epi - PMag - The One - 3AD. I had thought about pulsing. Wanted to do someting in between treatments and treatments are every 6mo. So start say June 1st and go for 4weeks say on epi? When i go on cycle ill do a 4or5 day routine. But im open to hear ideas on Pulsing... I just think after all my research and the way my body acts that doing it in one shot would be best.

 

[TimberLakers]

yeah get a script for testosterone. the gel that you rub on your shoulders. "TESTIM"

My friend has a bunch of samples of Testim and i used it one day and OMG!!!! Off of one little application of testim i was rock hard 8 times in a row that day. the first 3 rounds there was no rest period, i went back to back if you know what im saying. :hitit:

And you're still natural?

 

[madds87]

yeah ive been wanting to pulse some epi along with everything. Because of screwing around with some pro horomones ive got some bad gyno. So i want to fix it.... I heard epi will help with this and will also help me get my muscle back.

 

[madds87]

oh and sorry. My doctor kept telling me bout the risky surgery. My chrones is in my colon, maybe thats why?

 

[buster0371]

And you're still natural?

yeah i just tried it for one random day. i wasn't even weight lifting back then.

 

[somewhatgifted]

yeah ive been wanting to pulse some epi along with everything. Because of screwing around with some pro horomones ive got some bad gyno. So i want to fix it.... I heard epi will help with this and will also help me get my muscle back.

This makes sense since you are criticising my post, on soo many levels, this is why my efforts are futile. I will unsubscribe from this thread, cheers to all and god bless.

 

[Teg]

Well guys there are diseases that exist now that never existed before. It is becasue we have drugs, chemicals and food that never existed until now.

I believe that most if not all diseases have been overcome by atleast one person. I also believe that all problems with the human machine are the result of what has been put in or not put in it. We are living organisms and the mutations and variances havent happened due to bad luck. IT was either the environment, the intake or another changeable variable.

It is from this angle that i think it is imperative to try new variables, mush like a scientist who fails at binding two compounds or like a chemist who cannot make the cells stable. It doesnt make sense to me. I do know exactly what chrons is i believe i have all the symptoms, my brother also has IBS, but i dont give it a name besides "poor diet" becasue that is exactly what it is. I refuse to go to a doctor and have him validate my error and medicate the symptoms.

I have lost over 50 pounds in three years and worked my way backup again. I have vommited what looked like tar and mucus and been on the toilet doubled over for hours at a time. I have developed asthma, allergies, food allergies, eczema, low testosterone at times, easily stressed, very bad flaking and dry scalp, weak or poor orgasms, blotchy skin, low muscle tone, chronic fatigue, i would hit a wall in my training and just go weak, I have seen blood in my stool and had bouts of very dark strong smelling urine. I have had much difficulty gaining weight, breaking plateus and recovering from workouts from time to time. I had one spell where i didnt eat for almost two weeks, cause i couldnt, and lost 16 pounds. I had small wounds take along time to heal, inflammed colon, gassy bloated guts, frequent trips to the toilet and diahreah or some other form of toilet problem that wast a normal crap for almost 3 consecutive years. I never stopped living my life and lifted weights, played rugby and football but i payed dearly in pain and almost instant weight loss from giving it my all and gassing out and not being able to absorb the foods i ate.

So heres what ive done to bounce back.

Stopped using chewing tobbacco, stopped drinking coffee, stopped drinking pop, stopped all meds and supps, stopped stressing about protein and consiming shake after shake of lopsided nutrition, stopped eating dairy, stopped eating garbage processed foods, started eating carrots, celery and other water bearing veggies. I dont eat that many veggies but i try to eat a fair amount of what i do like/tolerate. I know what chrons is and its just a name and a reason to say youve done all you can.

Both my grandparents dont eat fruit and vegetables.
My grandmother had a double massectomy due to her third breast lump in less than two years. She vomits after most meals and it tired and weak all the time. She has had skin cancer, lumps, cysts and thyroid problems.

My grandfather had terminal pancreas cancer and if hes not asleep he lives in severe abdominal pain. He is diabetic and has had a quadrouple bypass on his heart.

My mother has had two lumps removed and has a host of issues and ilnesses and is on oxygen at the age of 45.

My aunt has had one ovarie and her womb removed due to cancer and should not have lived past 30, she had a baby who shouldnt have lived and the cancer surgery followed my cousins birth.


All of these people have been close to me and i have been monitoring their diets and lifestyles. A few things standout. Coffee, tobacco, processed foods, pop and very low amounts of dietary fibre as well as very low amounts of alkaline forming foods like fruits and vegatables. Most veggies comsumed were cooked.

I have seen first hand my aunt, mother and grandmother feel and look better that they have in years due to my telling them about eating fruits and vegetables. They had to choose it, they have to do it.

If you cant eat certain foods then eat the ones you can but get rid of the toxins and eat more alkaline foods.

Disease doesnt run in my family but poor/missinformed eating habits do.

I fully agree. Our food now days is trash but regardless i cant eat the things that i "should" since THAT is what bothers me! Giving it a name and is what helps identify what one has, not everything is based off diet, alot yes, but since everyone is different that means that one has to fig out how to adjust themselfs to feeling better. Such as your family and you yourself did! I dont drink, smoke, chew, etc. I eat SUPER CLEAN compared to most and what i do eat works for me, simple as that!

Your a smart cat, more then most i come across, but ppl must realize and understand that with crohns/colitis/ibs things we eat all bother us differently. Its really as simple as that. If one doesnt understand that, then go to a support group or a convention, a walk whatever and ask them what bothers them, everyone will have something that will bother them while the others who eat it do not.

My heart goes out to your family! We all have family members that it all happens to in time and yes it sucs, but all one can do is give advise and see if it works!

Thanks for your time and postings bro! :bow:

 

[MrBigPR]

And you're still natural?

He is a liar. He has never done a steroid cycle, DS cycle or anything. He thinks he is an expert on almost anything. If you had Trans Tren and was rock hard like that, you had problems to begin with. I can go for hours and i dont need help. My soldier stands at attention when i command him, whenever for however.

Just admit youve done stuff and stop posing. the act is getting ridiculous.

 

[TimberLakers]

I'm 27. I really DON'T need any help getting erections at this point in my life.

:lol:

 

[MrBigPR]

ha, me neither and im 26. Sh*t when i was 21 i was pounding more vag than pornstars.

 

[buster0371]

somewhatgifted is pretty dang smart yo

 

[TimberLakers]

ha, me neither and im 26. Sh*t when i was 21 i was pounding more vag than pornstars.

Fortunately I've usually had girlfriends... poor things.

Otherwise I would have lost my junk in a tailpipe or vacuum cleaner by now.

 

[buster0371]

nah i swear i never done roids or PH. that was like a year ago i rubbed that gel, testim, on my shoulders. it is testosterone! its by perscription. its not tren. this isnt an act. i have no problems getting errections. im just saying that it obviously works cuz my sex drive was str8 abnormal!!!

 

[buster0371]

He is a liar. He has never done a steroid cycle, DS cycle or anything. He thinks he is an expert on almost anything. If you had Trans Tren and was rock hard like that, you had problems to begin with. I can go for hours and i dont need help. My soldier stands at attention when i command him, whenever for however.

Just admit youve done stuff and stop posing. the act is getting ridiculous.

i think you might be talking about yourself. its funny how stuff works out like that. like subconsciously your insecure because you've done roids and your the one lying about it. ive never done roids or ph except that one day with testim, and that wasnt a cycle, i was just ****ing around, i wasnt even lifting weights back then.

I'll admit, I'm very currious about PH and DS and i might do them in the future, but as of right now i havnt done them. I do a lot of research and try to educate myself on them so that when the time comes i'll be knowledgeable about them!

c'mon timber you know this. i was asking you about 1-androsterone when you were on that cycle because i was about to do it back then. i had only been lifting for 2 months and weighed like 145lbs. you and g money talked me out of it. and i did my research and decided to hold off...

 

[TimberLakers]

MrBig hasn't done any PH or DS either... don't be so quick to call him out.

Relax on calling people insecure...

 

[buster0371]

MrBig hasn't done any PH or DS either... don't be so quick to call him out.

Relax on calling people insecure...

your right, my bad. but i got kinda offended cuz i havnt done any PH or DS yet and hes calling me a liar and saying im acting. I can almost take it as a compliment that he thinks im big enough that i look like i do PH/DS but its almost an insult because i really havn't done them yet.

 

[GMG760]

Ok... So many things to respond to.

Teg - Your doc can't prescribe you Test because your testosterone is within normal levels. It would be unethical for him to prescribe it to you, and insurance/dea/medical boards would catch up with him. TRT treatments are for those who have below the normal levels for the average male of their age group.

Test gel, isn't really the best method of treatment as all topicals can rub off onto other people, and when running anti estrogens and testosterone/hormone topically, one has to be VERY careful around people like children or their girlfriends. If you were to go with Test, I would inject and use a lower dose of a long ester like Test Cyp.

Regardless of what you choose to do (and doing PH/DS vs illegal injects is not necessarily the smarter thing to do even though legality and ease of administration make it the easier thing to do) I would be completely and utterly upfront with your doctor. If something does go wrong, you want him to be up to date so he can help you fix any problem that might arise. While it is fun to watch yourself grow before your own eyes, and get quite a bit of strength that you didn't have previously... it is also very taxing on the body. We don't often talk about the "not so fun" side of oral steroids, but it is definitely a part of the game we play. Being "on cycle" is really fun in the gym, but that is 1-2 hours of the day. The other 22 hours of the day are usually much more pleasant when we are off cycle than when on. My first cycle was nothing like what I expected, and I went in with a pretty open mind.

I'm gonna back you 100% on whatever you do, but I really would let your doc know that you are gonna be using a hormone and a serm. Serms have some interesting side effects too, so you might want to check with him about their interactions with any meds you might have.

Next subject.

Buster - You should apply for a rep position with Get Diesel. I have never seen someone blatantly drop a product name around on nearly every post they write. DTHC is good stuff, we know that, we've known that longer than you have been on AM. Now that we all know DTHC is a good natural test booster, let's move onto something other than DTHC. Thanks.

BTW... If you started lifting weights when you say you started lifting weights, then your gains were newbie gains and were from eating and lifting weights... not from any one supplement.

 

[Teg]

Ok kids play nice.... I gotta hit the gym now! 10reps x4sets today! Its goin to be murder!

 

[suncloud]

Well the ones in mind are, Epi - PMag - The One - 3AD. I had thought about pulsing. Wanted to do someting in between treatments and treatments are every 6mo. So start say June 1st and go for 4weeks say on epi? When i go on cycle ill do a 4or5 day routine. But im open to hear ideas on Pulsing... I just think after all my research and the way my body acts that doing it in one shot would be best.

well pulsing would be 6-10 weeks. you could definitely do epi or pheraplex. don't know if anyone has pulsed the one yet, and i can't remember the half life of that or 3AD. off days you'd dose DHEA, etc. pulsing is 3-4 days, with 4 days per week being the most you could do. if you're still going to be doing full body 3x per week, pulsing would make the most sense IMO. if you switch over to 4-5x per week, i'd do a standard cycle for 4 weeks.

 

[MrBigPR]

Haha, i meant trans Test. I know its prescription. Im a pharmacist. I went to school for 6 years to learn about the human body, what putting meds in it does and how anything foreign can affect every aspect of your body.

Me insecure? LOL. Get a grip, homeboy. I know things about PS, DS, AAS, and SERMS because i deal with them on a daily basis. I also was the assistant to the acting Physician at a TRT clinic while i was interning back at pharm school. Dont burn your bridges early in the game, there are many people on here that could help you on your quest.

Ive gotten up to 243lbs at about 10% Bf before without taking a damn thing but protein and creatine. The only other thing ive touched is Arginine, and that was pre workout. I dont plan on touching a DS until im back at around 225, which i can do easily because i know how to train and eat. Food for me was anabolic as soon as i learned what to eat, how to eat and when to eat. I went from a 155 all state high school sprinter to a rock hard 225 in a little less than 2 years. Ive broken through "hard gainer" barriers and training plateaus.

Do me a favor and fall back on a knife before you talk too quick. You could regret it.

 

[TimberLakers]

Good post Money.

Also, note that I asked Teg about getting a Test script before he posted his natural level... I didn't know he had that tested. Of course I would think his doctor would draw blood and test before prescribing anything by way of anabolics.

And yes, DTHC is all over the place with Buster's posts... :lol: I used to be all about DTHC, but I think the new "improved" formula is nothing like the stuff I took the first time around almost a year ago. Would be interested to hear from Buster what the bottle / pills looked like.

 

[TimberLakers]

Haha, i meant trans Test. I know its prescription. Im a pharmacist. I went to school for 6 years to learn about the human body, what putting meds in it does and how anything foreign can affect every aspect of your body.

Me insecure? LOL. Get a grip, homeboy. I know things about PS, DS, AAS, and SERMS because i deal with them on a daily basis. I also was the assistant to the acting Physician at a TRT clinic while i was interning back at pharm school. Dont burn your bridges early in the game, there are many people on here that could help you on your quest.

Ive gotten up to 243lbs at about 10% Bf before without taking a damn thing but protein and creatine. The only other thing ive touched is Arginine, and that was pre workout. I dont plan on touching a DS until im back at around 225, which i can do easily because i know how to train and eat. Food for me was anabolic as soon as i learned what to eat, how to eat and when to eat. I went from a 155 all state high school sprinter to a rock hard 225 in a little less than 2 years. Ive broken through "hard gainer" barriers and training plateaus.

Do me a favor and fall back on a knife before you talk too quick. You could regret it.

:lol:

What can you even say to this...

I'm sold. :wave2:

 

[buster0371]

GMG - your probably right they were noob gains but that doesnt mean i didnt work hard to get them. I know i mention DTH a lot but it did some magical stuff for me. I plateaued at 150, so i think my noob gains stoped there.

MrBigPR - Sorry for **** talking at you. that was my bad. but you can understand where im coming from when you attack me, and i feel like you dont even know me. You havnt even participated in any of my logs. But your right, I'll try to sit on my hands next time cuz i don't wanna make people hate me on these boards. So I'm sorry for what I said to you.

TL - The new pills were red and pretty large(the size of a nitrix pill). the bottle smelled a little like chronic when you opened up the cap and smelled inside.

 

[GMG760]

I never once said you didn't work hard. Easy on the defensiveness bud.

You didn't plateau at 150. You just stopped responding in the original regard to either your diet or routine, as you learned more and adapted, you grew. You are far too young for a supplement of DTHC's nature to be the reason that you gained 12lbs in a month.

 

[MrBigPR]

I never once said you didn't work hard. Easy on the defensiveness bud.

You didn't plateau at 150. You just stopped responding in the original regard to either your diet or routine, as you learned more and adapted, you grew. You are far too young for a supplement of DTHC's nature to be the reason that you gained 12lbs in a month.

Considering he took it maybe a couple of years to a year ago, i dont even think he needed it. Some people have too much money and want shortcuts.

Past is the past.

 

[TimberLakers]

GMG - your probably right they were noob gains but that doesnt mean i didnt work hard to get them. I know i mention DTH a lot but it did some magical stuff for me. I plateaued at 150, so i think my noob gains stoped there.

MrBigPR - Sorry for **** talking at you. that was my bad. but you can understand where im coming from when you attack me, and i feel like you dont even know me. You havnt even participated in any of my logs. But your right, I'll try to sit on my hands next time cuz i don't wanna make people hate me on these boards. So I'm sorry for what I said to you.

TL - The new pills were red and pretty large(the size of a nitrix pill). the bottle smelled a little like chronic when you opened up the cap and smelled inside.

Yeah dude. If you liked those, I feel like you would have loved the older formula.

Anyway - I think you're giving DTHC too much credit. You say you work so hard and eat right - you're selling yourself short everytime you say DTHC hooked it up.

My first growth spurt when I started eating and training hard was about 20 pounds in 3 or 4 months, and that was just food.

 

[buster0371]

Yeah dude. If you liked those, I feel like you would have loved the older formula.

Anyway - I think you're giving DTHC too much credit. You say you work so hard and eat right - you're selling yourself short everytime you say DTHC hooked it up.

My first growth spurt when I started eating and training hard was about 20 pounds in 3 or 4 months, and that was just food.

i see what your saying. i probably am giving dth a little too much credit. however, i would love to try to old formula if you know anyone who still has a bottle. I wonder why chuck switched up the formula if the old one was better?:dunno:

 

[GMG760]

i see what your saying. i probably am giving dth a little too much credit. however, i would love to try to old formula if you know anyone who still has a bottle. I wonder why chuck switched up the formula if the old one was better?:dunno:

Man, the old formula was like trying to swallow a horse pill. Worked pretty well though. I'm still a T911 advocate.

 

[TimberLakers]

i see what your saying. i probably am giving dth a little too much credit. however, i would love to try to old formula if you know anyone who still has a bottle. I wonder why chuck switched up the formula if the old one was better?:dunno:

Dunno dude, perhaps cost?

 

[Teg]

WOW, ok im back guys.... I did murder it today! *plops on bed*

Wen- 10reps x4sets

Squats- 115x10x4 (These felt soild through out and as always ATG with perfect form! Last 2reps on last set were tough so i took some real nice deep breaths)
Suitcase- 60x10x4 (Felt a lil weak towards the end, but still soild with good form!)

Asst Chins- 60x10x4 (Killed this and felt GREAT upper back pump! Last 2 sets got tough)
BB Bench- 115x10x4 (Nailed the coffin down in this! Last set felt good and finished strong with nice chest pump!)

Mil. Press- 50x10x4 (Aye not goin to lie these BURRRNED! Last set was UBBER tough!)
Scrushers- 50x10x4 (Hurting by now, and tris were pumped to the max but finished soild AGAIN!)

Weight = 156


Well i was roaring to get this done today, and i did. Flat out went in, head down, music blasting, focusing on 10reps every set or die trying knowing ill come out on top! And guess what i did! Im FREAKING PUMPED about todays lifts guys! It was BY FAR one of the HARDEST days ive had in a very long time! These are the days i live for in the gym! I pushed so hard so fast that my face was BRIGHT RED! And i walked out with a very nice upper body pump that i havnt had since last summer!

In summery- IM FREAKIN STOKED!

 

[Teg]

Double Post Demon Got Me!

 

[GMG760]

Nice workout and attitude Teg. You're like the new TG around here for workout motivation!

Speaking of TG, I wish he would drop by and say hi more often, this place just isn't the same.

 

[MrBigPR]

LIfe and reality have problaby caught up to him as he likes to say!

Nice F*ckin workout TEG! You have some strong shoulders bro!

 

[Teg]

oh and sorry. My doctor kept telling me bout the risky surgery. My chrones is in my colon, maybe thats why?

Well any surgery is "risky"... Guess ive been around it for so long that it dont seem risky to me. I mean i dont take it lightly, but it just dont bother me like most ppl, then again, nothing really does anymore now days considering what ive done and had to go through. Everything anymore seems cake walk. My nurses that do my treatment think im nuts cause i do everything myself, except put the IV in which i would if i could lol. I even took my PIC line out of my arm when i had one and thats when i was like 12yo!

BTW My REALLY bad part is in my Colon as well

Ok... So many things to respond to.

Teg - Your doc can't prescribe you Test because your testosterone is within normal levels. It would be unethical for him to prescribe it to you, and insurance/dea/medical boards would catch up with him. TRT treatments are for those who have below the normal levels for the average male of their age group.

Regardless of what you choose to do (and doing PH/DS vs illegal injects is not necessarily the smarter thing to do even though legality and ease of administration make it the easier thing to do) I would be completely and utterly upfront with your doctor. If something does go wrong, you want him to be up to date so he can help you fix any problem that might arise. While it is fun to watch yourself grow before your own eyes, and get quite a bit of strength that you didn't have previously... it is also very taxing on the body. We don't often talk about the "not so fun" side of oral steroids, but it is definitely a part of the game we play. Being "on cycle" is really fun in the gym, but that is 1-2 hours of the day. The other 22 hours of the day are usually much more pleasant when we are off cycle than when on. My first cycle was nothing like what I expected, and I went in with a pretty open mind.

I'm gonna back you 100% on whatever you do, but I really would let your doc know that you are gonna be using a hormone and a serm. Serms have some interesting side effects too, so you might want to check with him about their interactions with any meds you might have.

O i didnt even think of that bro. Ya your exactly right on that! I didnt even think of that! Thanks for giving me another angle, but yes i did ask him and he said no cause i was in avg. range. Either way, im not worried about it, i just thought it wouldnt hurt to ask and if he said yes great, if not great.

They do know and told them my plans just in case something does arise They are well aware of what im doing and whats been goin on in my life over the last 5yrs and have seen my gains and losses and troubles and know how hard it is for me to gain! Im happy to have understanding and open drs! Good thing about having them for a long time!

well pulsing would be 6-10 weeks. you could definitely do epi or pheraplex. don't know if anyone has pulsed the one yet, and i can't remember the half life of that or 3AD. off days you'd dose DHEA, etc. pulsing is 3-4 days, with 4 days per week being the most you could do. if you're still going to be doing full body 3x per week, pulsing would make the most sense IMO. if you switch over to 4-5x per week, i'd do a standard cycle for 4 weeks.

Hmm yes i see what your saying... Deff. something to think about no doubt. I was just thinking that a 4week blast would nail out some nice increases and right now seems like the best time... BUT pulsing IS an option! Since you and a couple others know i already have phera i could use that, or get Epi, either way. Epi's sides are less, but phera is "wetter" which i think would help with the mass a bit more. I have a bottle of DHEA and used it when my test levels dropped a couple yrs ago.



TL, Gmoney, MrBig, others- PLS Give me your opinon on pulsing pls. You can PM or throw it up here.... I like what SC is saying as is makes sense but i just hate to run something out that long just due to my treatments and stuff.


BTW For those wandering what my treatment is, its mouse proteins. :wiggle:

 

[MrBigPR]

Pulsing makes sense with the training you do, diet, and goals. I believe you can reduce the instances of getting some bad sides from "harsher" substances, but it isnt going to totally erase them. You have to be prepared in all instances.

Someone taking Pplex at 200 lbs and gaining 210 lbs is going to expierience some "shock", so imagine what it will do to you. You have to think, while pulsing you can still achieve high mass gains. It gets all scientific and medical but the basics are when you put weight on fast, your body is going to react. Couple in Crohns and it could be worse than when you started out. I could explain everything, but id write a 4 page paper on it while losing some people to the sleep bug.