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Tren Xtreme and how to run a Proper Cycle

Theipodpeople said:
Yeah I wanted to know the same thing. I've been researching a tren specific pct for over a month. So many mixed reviews, however no one denies a serm is needed. A lot of people go overboard, but if you also have to consider each user's body stat's, age, and how they dose the tren. Younger men usually don't have the shutdown older guys do. I know younger guys that ran tren-x, with milk thistle, 60/90/90/90 and use clomid for pct and be fine. I think it takes longer for them to shut down because their test is already so high, and a 4 week cycle won't be enough to kill their test. I also read a guy ask for help on his x-mass cycle, 10 days in he had puffy nips. The guy was either 5'4" or 5'6" i can;t remember, but weighed 145lbs. He was dosing 80mg a day. Many guys say either over 6 weeks or over 100mgs will throw side effects at you, but the average guy on here is usually 185-205lbs and 5'10-6' trying to put on mass.

Anyway I read another thread very recently, I think it was the official pct thread, near the more recent pages, and mooch commented asking a few questions. The guy answering seemed to have a lot of good information and explained common misconceptions with tren, but I still couldn't get too much from it. I'd like it if Mooch could explain what he'd gathered.

I personally wouldn't take chances, but there's definitely more leeway for different bodytypes.
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I agree. I'm researching all over the place, sifting through the crap and trying to find legitimate suggestions or facts about PCT with Tren (19-Nor).

I dropped back to 60mg/day for the last week of my cycle, which I'm finishing now. I also added another 25mg/day of Formex, which is formestane, to my cycle and I've seen significant reduction in gyno symptoms in the chest/nips. I'll stick with this AI, and it's also the same exact AI that ACL Estro-extreme blocker is made up of, which the rep from Cali recommended as a PCT for Tren-X. I'm still going to get some Nolva and I'm still going to plan on using other supplements like ZMA, and cycle support during my PCT to help get things back to normal.
 
bb4life said:
do this cycle and you'll get your goal in just months...
testosterone enanthate 2,000mg per week 1-20
Nandrolone decanoate 1,000mg per week 1-12
boldenone undecylenate 1,000mg per week 1-18
Trenbolone acetate 800mg per week 15-20
stanozolol 700mg per week 15-20
human growth hormone 20iu's per day 1-20
clenbuterol weeks 1-20 as much as you can afford to take
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What is this, a grunt cycle? Maybe with a lil less HGH. Its definitely a no brainer that you would need HCG for this... I like how you actually stopped the deca 2 weeks before tren for his cycle lol.

I got a good laugh out of the can i get HGH at nutraplanet comment.
 
Tren Xtreme, Extreme Tren, Tren 250 and Trenbolen are the most popular brands under which a progestin steroid called 19-nor-4,9(10)-androstadienedione (aka 19-norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione and esta-4,9,(10)-diene-3,17-dione) is sold. This synthetic steroid (commonly known as "Tren") imitates the effects of testosterone in the male body including the testosterone-suppression effects which excess testosterone levels produce. Thus although ingestion of Tren can result in dramatic muscle gain, it can also produce the same "roid rage" and testicular degeneration associated with testosterone ingestion.
The marketing for these Tren brands highlight and repeatedly stress the fact that because, unlike testosterone and testosterone prehormones, Tren cannot convert to estrogen, and therefore Tren will not produce estogen-associated side effects such as bloating or gynecomastia (commonly known as gyno, which consists of a hard and painful mass in the breast). Unfortunately this is not correct. Use of Tren can, and in many has resulted in gynecomastia, a condition which usually requires surgery to remedy. This may be due to Tren's suppression of estrogen or its progesterone-like effects or a combination of those effects. Whatever the mechanism, Tren is a powerful anabolic steroid and will soon be controlled as such by the FDA.
Unfortunately, because Tren has not been under FDA control, this powerful steroid has been marketed as a safe alternative to controlled anabolic steroids such as testosterone and its prohormones. Unsuspecting consumers of this powerful steroid, marketed as a "dietary supplement", have been surprised to experience all of the classic symptoms of an anabolic steroid such as the welcomed muscle gain but also the unwelcomed anger, aggression and gynecomastia. The gynecomastia comes as a particularly unpleasant surprise since these brands specifically advertise that the "supplement" does not cause gynecomastia.
Our law firm is filing a lawsuit against the manufacturers and retailers of the supplements containing Tren. If you have taken a supplement containing Tren and you have experienced unwanted side effects as a result, please see our website trenlaw.com for more information.
 
fueledpassion said:
Please explain where I'm off so that I can correct it, sir. But before I do that, I'd like to first know if you've taken Tren (Nor) and what were your results? I'm on the stuff right now. And I'm trying to share my experiences with it. I also don't see how my last post was that far off from your own. I told the OP to go reasearch and make some decisions on his own. ?? I'd really like for someone to tell me what is wrong with having BP supplements, an AI, a libido booster, and a SERM just in case for PCT? The whole freakin board has been drilling that SERM into everyone's head for so long, yet when I recommend something to a new guy that is consistent with this whole board I get called out. ??? Help me out here please.
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Mooch has prob done inj tren.


And to the Original Poster. You should start a thread about your amazing transformation. 210 22%bf to 140 5% sounds like such an amazing story people need to see pictures and read exactly what you did to get this way in a year and a half. For you to be able to have such a strict diet and a great workout program to drop that weight, you must be very knowledgeable.
 
okay yes i have used injectable tren and the estra 4 9....ive noticed a few people commenting on this product being a progestin....it is not.... dienolone has a relative binding affinity of 17 at the progesterone receptor....their is two schools of thought on whether it actually aromatizes but i side with seth roberts and say yes it does....for more info along these lines you guys can read this
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/123701-progesterone-prolactin.html
i know its kind of educated at times...but there is a ton of good info in there....

i also keep seeing that you guys are looking for a certain pct for this product....every steroid should have the same pct imo....clomid/nolva/ai.....hcg if you can get it is great to use as well....
fueled passion...the use of tribulus and formex on cycle will not prevent suppression of hpta....the only thing that can do this is hcg(or if you believe the hype...sustain alpha...lol) hcg simulates lh function tricking your body basically....there is no way to succesfully stimulate lh while on cycle....you cant have your cake and eat it too.....i apologize for calling you out....for some reason that trib on cycle thing stuck in my head.....

and ipod....the official pct thread is a marketing ploy by primordial performance....hes just pushing his product....take the info with a grain of salt.....

but just to reiterate....estra 4 9 is not tren....its not a progestin....it converts to dienolone which is nothing like trenbolone....
 
mooch2321 said:
okay yes i have used injectable tren and the estra 4 9....ive noticed a few people commenting on this product being a progestin....it is not.... dienolone has a relative binding affinity of 17 at the progesterone receptor....their is two schools of thought on whether it actually aromatizes but i side with seth roberts and say yes it does....for more info along these lines you guys can read this
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/123701-progesterone-prolactin.html
i know its kind of educated at times...but there is a ton of good info in there....

i also keep seeing that you guys are looking for a certain pct for this product....every steroid should have the same pct imo....clomid/nolva/ai.....hcg if you can get it is great to use as well....
fueled passion...the use of tribulus and formex on cycle will not prevent suppression of hpta....the only thing that can do this is hcg(or if you believe the hype...sustain alpha...lol) hcg simulates lh function tricking your body basically....there is no way to succesfully stimulate lh while on cycle....you cant have your cake and eat it too.....i apologize for calling you out....for some reason that trib on cycle thing stuck in my head.....

and ipod....the official pct thread is a marketing ploy by primordial performance....hes just pushing his product....take the info with a grain of salt.....

but just to reiterate....estra 4 9 is not tren....its not a progestin....it converts to dienolone which is nothing like trenbolone....
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I apologize, it wasn't the TRS thread. It was the progesterone/prolactin one you just posted. I read through a lot of that thread. From what I've read between the discussion, even with the 19-nor designers, suppressing estrogen through an AI is a good route to avoiding gyno. Also treating the prolactin levels may suffice too, such as with p-5-p or vitex, but you'd be leaving the elevated estrogen on the table. Again though the use of an AI may lead to HDL problems.

So with that information, using an AI through the cycle may be a good idea and the p-5-p or vitex may be okay to have on hand in case. Invalid Link Removed by thebigt is such, and fueledpassion seems to be running the same, however with formex instead of the transdermal formestane. However with four week cycles, how bad can the side effects be as long as dosing is on spot? I'm waiting to see results after pct to be honest. Rather others be test subjects ;]
 
well as far as the lipid health goes...most of the steroids we are running will destroy our cholestoral levels as well...so i dont see why adding in an ai will change anything there....but seth seems to be so dead on with his knowledge of progestins it makes me want to try and run deca or something with just a low dose of nolva... if you read through the whole thread seth theorizes that its the gap in low estro levels and normal prolactin levels that is causing the gyno and lactation from progestins....if this pans out then it would seem that a stronger ai like formadex would not be suitable on cycle....because then you would be forced to use prolactin antagonists to keep prolactin and estro in a correlating ratio
 
mooch2321 said:
well as far as the lipid health goes...most of the steroids we are running will destroy our cholestoral levels as well...so i dont see why adding in an ai will change anything there....but seth seems to be so dead on with his knowledge of progestins it makes me want to try and run deca or something with just a low dose of nolva... if you read through the whole thread seth theorizes that its the gap in low estro levels and normal prolactin levels that is causing the gyno and lactation from progestins....if this pans out then it would seem that a stronger ai like formadex would not be suitable on cycle....because then you would be forced to use prolactin antagonists to keep prolactin and estro in a correlating ratio
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Well, I just want to do this right. But there are so many opinions about this particular progestin its really hard for me to decide which is the best route to take. You have any opinions, mooch?

I'm seeing this thread push toward this:

avoid AI on cycle, or else expect to use a prolactin antagonist, such as ?? Since I'm on an AI, I guess I should consider this to say the least.

I will say though that the Formex has indeed helped with gyno symptoms, which were only minute for myself. But still, I had sensitivity, burning, irritation, but no significant puffiness or lumps. But since I started taking 75mg of Formex these symptoms went away for the most part. I never really intended for the Formex to help with libido, but people claim it does help, so I figured it might. So far, no significant increase in libido..lol. Tren-X is tough stuff when it comes to shutting down. This all sort of brings me to the point of Nolva tho. Wouldn't Nolva allow for your estro to prolactin levels to equalize? I was under the impression that Nolva, although not helping in the libido department, will allow the estrogen to come back into play while protecting your body from the sides associated with higher than normal estro levels. I was planned on using the Nolva if necessary to restore estro levels, while taking a test booster to get things moving again and of course eventually taper down to nothing to end my PCT. Give me some direction, please. I'll be the guinny pig.
 
Theipodpeople said:
So then both an AI and the prolactin antagonist like p5p or vit should be used in that sense.. or neither at all..
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or use something like arimidex or aromasin that wont completely destroy estro levels....or you could take seths recomendation and use low doses of nolva throughout.....

fueledpassion said:
Well, I just want to do this right. But there are so many opinions about this particular progestin its really hard for me to decide which is the best route to take. You have any opinions, mooch?

I'm seeing this thread push toward this:

avoid AI on cycle, or else expect to use a prolactin antagonist, such as ?? Since I'm on an AI, I guess I should consider this to say the least.

I will say though that the Formex has indeed helped with gyno symptoms, which were only minute for myself. But still, I had sensitivity, burning, irritation, but no significant puffiness or lumps. But since I started taking 75mg of Formex these symptoms went away for the most part. I never really intended for the Formex to help with libido, but people claim it does help, so I figured it might. So far, no significant increase in libido..lol. Tren-X is tough stuff when it comes to shutting down. This all sort of brings me to the point of Nolva tho. Wouldn't Nolva allow for your estro to prolactin levels to equalize? I was under the impression that Nolva, although not helping in the libido department, will allow the estrogen to come back into play while protecting your body from the sides associated with higher than normal estro levels. I was planned on using the Nolva if necessary to restore estro levels, while taking a test booster to get things moving again and of course eventually taper down to nothing to end my PCT. Give me some direction, please. I'll be the guinny pig.
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its not a progestin....and as stated seth does recomend low dose nolva instead of an ai....but also as stated if you are going to use an ai dont use something that will completely deplete estro
 
mooch2321 said:
or use something like arimidex or aromasin that wont completely destroy estro levels....or you could take seths recomendation and use low doses of nolva throughout.....



its not a progestin....and as stated seth does recomend low dose nolva instead of an ai....but also as stated if you are going to use an ai dont use something that will completely deplete estro
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By low dose you mean if problems arrive, or low dose straight through just to be safe.. Or it's up to the person..
 
well...seths recomendation is low dose...10mgs nolva ed throughout the whole cycle cycle....im not totally sold on this yet as i have had very good results with adex and am a stubborn s.o.b and hate to change anything....but seth is slowly selling me on his point....
 
in this situation i would go up to 20mgs ed on the nolva and then add in 50mgs ed of clomid....imo a complete pct should have both as they are better at doing different things.....
 
Then taper down both i'd guess. Hmm I might try something like this, but I'll have to research some more though of course. X-Tren will be my first cycle, at the beginning of June.
 
i dont taper down...these are both pretty low doses.....ive always added in an over the counter ai or arimidex....if i was using it on cycle i would just keep running it all the way through pct if i wasnt then i start it in the second week of pct....i find this helps control the rebound when you come off nolva....
 
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