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Shaddow vs. T-Roid & P-Plex

thundergod said:
The way my work schedule is, I split my sleep patterns as well. I get in at 4 or 5:00 A.M. and then sleep for about 3 hours. I then train. I go back to sleep in the afternoons at around 3 or 4:00 P.M. for 5 or 6 more hours. Then it's off to night shift work.
I've done this for 2 years now, so I'm fully adjusted to it.
If you have trouble getting to sleep, I can recommend 75 mg. of Benadryl and 3 mg. of Melatonin. That's my nighty-night remedy!! :sleeping:

I wouldn't advise you to drop the T-Roid personally. It's kicking your strength up nicely. You'll find ways to get your sleep. As long as you can get in 7 or 8 hours, even if it's split up, you'll be alright.

Keep slugggin' away my warrior-brother!!!
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Wouldn't it be better to just purchase diphenhydramine by itself, rather than taking the unnecessary anti-histamine?...and you're right; Diphenhydramine is really the only sleep remedy that does much for me while on a cycle. I stand by it as well.
 
I need to make my way up to Jammin' Java in Vienna. They've always got bands that I like playing...then I'll roll to that blues joint in Georgetown. :)
 
TimberLakers said:
I must say though Shaddow... Love the DC women. Beautiful scenery.
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Definitely a lot of gorgeous women from different ethnic backgrounds...too bad my blue-jean collection is only made up of GAP...I dated a chick from there; she always expected me to wear True Religion, FCUK, Diesel, Lucky...basically any brand I can't afford, nor would want to wear.

edit:...nor fit my quads.
 
TimberLakers said:
I dig Diesel, provided I can get them tailored... Some skinny as dudes designed that sh*t for sure.
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I remember being taken to a shop that had all designer brands...There were t-shirts there...REGULAR t-shirts...that cost $90. I'm there thinking, "WHAT is this woman trying to do to me?"
 
thundergod said:
The way my work schedule is, I split my sleep patterns as well. I get in at 4 or 5:00 A.M. and then sleep for about 3 hours. I then train. I go back to sleep in the afternoons at around 3 or 4:00 P.M. for 5 or 6 more hours. Then it's off to night shift work.
I've done this for 2 years now, so I'm fully adjusted to it.
If you have trouble getting to sleep, I can recommend 75 mg. of Benadryl and 3 mg. of Melatonin. That's my nighty-night remedy!! :sleeping:

I wouldn't advise you to drop the T-Roid personally. It's kicking your strength up nicely. You'll find ways to get your sleep. As long as you can get in 7 or 8 hours, even if it's split up, you'll be alright.

Keep slugggin' away my warrior-brother!!!
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Well I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with the split up sleep schedule.

Never had success with Benadryl cuz it makes me groggy when I come to. I sleep better with a little bit of G anyways. ;) Which I've had to do quite a bit the past couple weeks.

I'm not planning on dropping the T-Roid. Right now it looks like I'll be finishing up my 4th week on both compounds. I was gonna try to run T-Roid solo for the final (5th) week, but now I'm contemplating running the P-Plex for a 5th week alongside the T-Roid and calling it quits after that. I def. don't see this going a 6th week at this point though. Decisions, decisions...
 
Irish Cannon said:
Definitely a lot of gorgeous women from different ethnic backgrounds...too bad my blue-jean collection is only made up of GAP...I dated a chick from there; she always expected me to wear True Religion, FCUK, Diesel, Lucky...basically any brand I can't afford, nor would want to wear.

edit:...nor fit my quads.
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You are not kidding. Nice clothing is kind of a requirement if you want to be a player in the social scene here, it sucks. I have several jeans from the manufacturers you named and many others, and I am sad to say that I don't think any of them fit over my quads anymore. I'm selling all of my denim and all of my nice shirts on ebay. It's a damn shame...
 
Irish Cannon said:
Were gains slowing at 20mg?...and now at 30mg?
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On the scale, yes, but that's only part of the reason I upped it. My scale weight had been ~203 since about the start of week 3. I figured, **** - 15# in 2 weeks; no need to bump the dosage, right? So I stayed @ 20mg for 5 more days. But then I stopped putting on weight and I've been stuck here since. Strength has still been going up though, so I haven't been too worried. Sleep's been a mess though. Then I remembered the good ole days when I'd take 4AD to help fight the lethargy from 1-test, so I thought about it, said **** it, and upped to 30mg on Wednesday. Then got a bit more aggressive yesterday and upped it to 40. Slept well last night, and I'm exhausted and about to hit the hay here in a minute, so I'd say the outcome from my experiment has been positive thus far. :D We'll see if there's any effect on my weight. My diet's been mediocre this weekend, but I'm bbq'ing tomorrow, so look out!! :food:
 
Irish Cannon said:
Wouldn't it be better to just purchase diphenhydramine by itself, rather than taking the unnecessary anti-histamine?...and you're right; Diphenhydramine is really the only sleep remedy that does much for me while on a cycle. I stand by it as well.
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Actually, that is exactly what I do. I need to stop mentioning Benadryl. I haven't taken that in years. I buy the Wal-Mart brand of diphenhydramine. It's dirt cheap and very effective. Anywhere from 50 to 100 mg. puts me out like a light.
 
thundergod said:
Actually, that is exactly what I do. I need to stop mentioning Benadryl. I haven't taken that in years. I buy the Wal-Mart brand of diphenhydramine. It's dirt cheap and very effective. Anywhere from 50 to 100 mg. puts me out like a light.
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Making a note of this for my next go-round.
 
TimberLakers said:
Making a note of this for my next go-round.
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Hey homeslice, I saw what you guys were saying about BBQ and pork last night. I have some leftover pork roast in the fridge right now. I may have to douse some BBQ sauce on it and heat it up here soon!!
And you know I'll have some sweet potatoes on the side!!! :food: Damn, that's good eats!!
It's like a party in my mouth and all my taste buds are invited!! :fest30:
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Heya Shadow - I'm a little late to your log - apologies . . . Looks like you've been keeping company with some rather unsavory characters :hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Hey homeslice, I saw what you guys were saying about BBQ and pork last night. I have some leftover pork roast in the fridge right now. I may have to douse some BBQ sauce on it and heat it up here soon!!
And you know I'll have some sweet potatoes on the side!!! :food: Damn, that's good eats!!
It's like a party in my mouth and all my taste buds are invited!! :fest30:
:djparty:
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Add in a few candy corn there big guy. You deserve a little treat.
 
thundergod said:
Hey homeslice, I saw what you guys were saying about BBQ and pork last night. I have some leftover pork roast in the fridge right now. I may have to douse some BBQ sauce on it and heat it up here soon!!
And you know I'll have some sweet potatoes on the side!!! :food: Damn, that's good eats!!
It's like a party in my mouth and all my taste buds are invited!! :fest30:
:djparty:
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I gotta say TG, I took your sweet potatoe fries recipee and made that last week. That was some good eats along with my rotisseri chicken and corn! Even the wife and kids liked it. Good looking out bro!!!
 
Day 25: Monday, April 20 - Happy 420, AM!!! :439:
Weight: 203ish (Ok, seriously, I'll record it tomorrow in the AM.)

Workout #11 - A3

Incline db flies: 2 warm-ups @ 40x18, 60x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 85x8 +3 +2 - PR

+5 from last time, and another PR. My pecs were on fire after my rest pauses. Jeeeeeeeez!

BB shoulder press: 2 warm-ups @ 65x18, 105x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 145x10 +3 +1

+10lbs from last time. I almost got a second rep on my last rest-pause, but I couldn't push it up.

Bent-over triceps extensions: 2 warm-ups @ 80x18, 120x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 160x9 +3 +2

This was heavy. Really heavy. And those rest-pauses freaking hurt. Dear God!! My triceps were screaming, and my arms were feeling uber dense and swollen on these. I really don't think I get my ass kicked harder by any other triceps exercise. These just take it out of me.

Pull-ups: 2 warm ups @ BWx12, 10
Working set with rest-pauses: +20lbs x 6 +2 +1

I had to rest a few extra minutes before starting these cuz the pump in my arms was just ridiculous. Added weight (yay!) on my working set for the first time in God knows how long. Quite a jump from my last pull up day (BWx10, 7 & 8+3+2).

Wide-grip cable rows: 2 warm-ups @ 85x18, 140x10
Working set: 200x6 (& a 7th rep assisted)

+20lbs from last time around.

Notes:
I went up on a lot of my warm-ups this time around for a little increased muscular activity. Felt good and strong in the gym today. I had to train at a different gym this again cuz the ****ing cable row machine at my gym is still broken. Pisses me off. And the gym I went to tonight had no freaking BB shoulder press station so I had to wait for this jackass to finish 20 135lb box squat sets so I could do them in the squat rack. Grrrr...

Sleep was better last night, but I kept waking up completely soaked. I'm sure it's the T-Roid again. I changed my shirt 3 times last night. Would've just slept without one but I was getting chills every time I tried. I probably lost like 6lbs in sweat last night, it was insane.

Muscles are definitely getting denser. My arms feel thick and solid. Like, really really solid. I kept catching myself staring at myself in the mirror at the gym today. LOL. My arms were freaking RIPPED!! Vascularity is up as well.

I didn't get a chance to bbq tonight so I've been eating tuna all freaking day. That gets boring quick. Gonna get into the gym for some cardio and core work tomorrow. I'm gonna up the carbs tomorrow as well.

That's it for now!
 
shaddow said:
Day 25: Monday, April 20 - Happy 420, AM!!! :439:
Weight: 203ish (Ok, seriously, I'll record it tomorrow in the AM.)

Workout #11 - A3

Incline db flies: 2 warm-ups @ 40x18, 60x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 85x8 +3 +2 - PR

+5 from last time, and another PR. My pecs were on fire after my rest pauses. Jeeeeeeeez!

BB shoulder press: 2 warm-ups @ 65x18, 105x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 145x10 +3 +1

+10lbs from last time. I almost got a second rep on my last rest-pause, but I couldn't push it up.

Bent-over triceps extensions: 2 warm-ups @ 80x18, 120x12
Working set with rest-pauses: 160x9 +3 +2
This was heavy. Really heavy. And those rest-pauses freaking hurt. Dear God!! My triceps were screaming, and my arms were feeling uber dense and swollen on these. I really don't think I get my ass kicked harder by any other triceps exercise. These just take it out of me.

Pull-ups: 2 warm ups @ BWx12, 10
Working set with rest-pauses: +20lbs x 6 +2 +1

I had to rest a few extra minutes before starting these cuz the pump in my arms was just ridiculous. Added weight (yay!) on my working set for the first time in God knows how long. Quite a jump from my last pull up day (BWx10, 7 & 8+3+2).

Wide-grip cable rows: 2 warm-ups @ 85x18, 140x10
Working set: 200x6 (& a 7th rep assisted)

+20lbs from last time around.

Notes:
I went up on a lot of my warm-ups this time around for a little increased muscular activity. Felt good and strong in the gym today. I had to train at a different gym this again cuz the ****ing cable row machine at my gym is still broken. Pisses me off. And the gym I went to tonight had no freaking BB shoulder press station so I had to wait for this jackass to finish 20 135lb box squat sets so I could do them in the squat rack. Grrrr...

Sleep was better last night, but I kept waking up completely soaked. I'm sure it's the T-Roid again. I changed my shirt 3 times last night. Would've just slept without one but I was getting chills every time I tried. I probably lost like 6lbs in sweat last night, it was insane.

Muscles are definitely getting denser. My arms feel thick and solid. Like, really really solid. I kept catching myself staring at myself in the mirror at the gym today. LOL. My arms were freaking RIPPED!! Vascularity is up as well.

I didn't get a chance to bbq tonight so I've been eating tuna all freaking day. That gets boring quick. Gonna get into the gym for some cardio and core work tomorrow. I'm gonna up the carbs tomorrow as well.

That's it for now!
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Can you explain these better they sound interesting! The tri extensions
 
Ok, as promised, my scale weight this morning was: 203.2 (+14.8). So, despite strength gains and obvious improvements in my physique, I have not budged in weight since starting my 3rd week. *shrugs*
 
shaddow said:
Ok, as promised, my scale weight this morning was: 203.2 (+14.8). So, despite strength gains and obvious improvements in my physique, I have not budged in weight since starting my 3rd week. *shrugs*
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What more can you ask for? 203 will cut down to 195... You're huge!

I'm coming for you though... footsteps! :twisted:
 
shaddow said:
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If you want something better, Shaddow: dinosaur extensions.

You position a rack/Smith Machine to knee-level, or slightly below, and then grasp the bar with thumbs on top, exactly how you would grab a cambered bar for skull-crushers. With elbows slightly bent outwards, knees bent and bum in the air, you slip your head well past the bar, so that your triceps are positioned like the bottom of a skull crusher. Using as little momentum as possible, you push forward, bringing your body back into neutral position.
 
TimberLakers said:
What more can you ask for? 203 will cut down to 195... You're huge!

I'm coming for you though... footsteps! :twisted:
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I'm just worried about losing weight in PCT, then dropping down to the mid 190's, then looking at cutting a few pounds. I've been relatively lean @ ~190 before. I wanna be a lean 200, dammit. :D

Have you decided to add more weight? I was thinking you were happy where you're at, at least for fighting's sake. Come join me in the 200 club! :D
 
TimberLakers said:
That sounds gnarly. I had to read it twice to visualise though... Guess its kinda T-Rex looking with retarded arms.
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Picture it as making a right angle to the bar with your body. Then you dip your head under and past the bar, while still gripping the bar - then push back up. They are painful in every way imaginable.
 
shaddow said:
I'm just worried about losing weight in PCT, then dropping down to the mid 190's, then looking at cutting a few pounds. I've been relatively lean @ ~190 before. I wanna be a lean 200, dammit. :D

Have you decided to add more weight? I was thinking you were happy where you're at, at least for fighting's sake. Come join me in the 200 club! :D
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I'm going to run an epi cycle.

I keep doing the same thing as you. I hit 198 / 200 for a couple days, but it wasn't a tight 198... Then I cut down to 185 / 188... I just want to be like I am now, with like 7 more lean pounds.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
If you want something better, Shaddow: dinosaur extensions.

You position a rack/Smith Machine to knee-level, or slightly below, and then grasp the bar with thumbs on top, exactly how you would grab a cambered bar for skull-crushers. With elbows slightly bent outwards, knees bent and bum in the air, you slip your head well past the bar, so that your triceps are positioned like the bottom of a skull crusher. Using as little momentum as possible, you push forward, bringing your body back into neutral position.
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I cannot for the life of me picture what you're saying... Is this done on a bench? Standing? I'm picturing skull crushers, but the bum in the air thing is ****ing me up. LOL.
 
TimberLakers said:
Gotta try these today - if just for the feel initially.
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I have been all about supersetting these with extremely close-grip bench dips with feet on the floor. You place both arms directly behind you, and twist the elbows outward so you are 'bowing' your elbows out on the eccentric motion.

Four seconds down, two seconds up, two second contraction for 15 reps with body-weight, and then 15 dinoasaur extensions. It is brutal.
 
TimberLakers said:
I'm going to run an epi cycle.

I keep doing the same thing as you. I hit 198 / 200 for a couple days, but it wasn't a tight 198... Then I cut down to 185 / 188... I just want to be like I am now, with like 7 more lean pounds.
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Good stuff. How soon are you looking to run the epi?
 
shaddow said:
I cannot for the life of me picture what you're saying... Is this done on a bench? Standing? I'm picturing skull crushers, but the bum in the air thing is ****ing me up. LOL.
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You take a Smith, and position the bar directly at or just below your knees.

So now picture yourself standing in front of the bar, and reaching down to grab the bar.

Now, if you leaned back and down as far as your arms could stretch, your head would be just above the bar, with knees bent, and ass behind you.

From that position, you keep your feet planted and drive your head forward and under the bar.

At this point, your hands are behind your head, and your head if in front of the bar - literally how you would look at the endpoint of a skullcrusher if you were on your back with your feet in the air.

So you then extend, except for you are actually moving your body, and not the bar.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You take a Smith, and position the bar directly at or just below your knees.

So now picture yourself standing in front of the bar, and reaching down to grab the bar.

Now, if you leaned back and down as far as your arms could stretch, your head would be just above the bar, with knees bent, and ass behind you.

From that position, you keep your feet planted and drive your head forward and under the bar.

At this point, your hands are behind your head, and your head if in front of the bar - literally how you would look at the endpoint of a skullcrusher if you were on your back with your feet in the air.

So you then extend, except for you are actually moving your body, and not the bar.
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Ahhhhhhh. Gotcha. That sounds pretty painful!
 
TimberLakers said:
Of course the dinosaur extensions are NOT on the internet at all. Its a Mullet exclusive.
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I have a metric ****ton of odd exercises that I have been trying since my calf went out.

Another tricep exercise is straight bar extensions, except you push forward at the last point of flexion. So, you complete a normal straight bar extension, and as you are reaching the bottom, push your hands straight forward and flex.

Another is lat pulldown machine pushdowns. You stand in front of the lat machine, grab a long bar, and grasp it in a fairly wide stance with thumbs on top of the bar. Sticking your elbows way out, you push down to hit the lower head of the tricep.

Now, do not even get me started on the variations of lat pulldowns I have been doing to hit my back!
 
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Leave it to Staley to have the only visual!

It is similar to this, except the bar you are completing the exercise on is higher, forcing you to extend harder and higher.
 
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