indianballer
Member
Welcome to February. It was discovered by German athletes in the olympics in the 60's or 70's I think. The chemical is a precursor to DHT, which has many significant benefits to being an athletic man.
The ONE or 1-T Tren????
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Welcome to February. It was discovered by German athletes in the olympics in the 60's or 70's I think. The chemical is a precursor to DHT, which has many significant benefits to being an athletic man.
ilovefish
New member
Yeah its been a great experience so far really no sides at all an i feel great, yes i ordered from NP but im not in the uk.
EasyEJL
Never enough
so far the bloodtests we have all show normal liver values, and not totally unreasonable cholesterol.
It uses an oxime bond which is totally novel. Looks like it was originally mentioned in 1963 in a mass patent filing covering all oxime based steroids. We tested many many previously "unused" prohormones, and The ONE was the first that met our standards.
AM07
Well-known member
I've been out of the loop of supplements for the past 6 months, so last night was the first time I've heard of The One.
Doesn't excessive levels of DHT in the body lead to BPH, which can eventually contribute to prostate cancer? That's why people with BPH or prostate cancer take finasteride, to prevent the conversion of test to DHT. So why the hell would anyone want to take a substance that INCREASES DHT in the body?
That's why I don't understand why most of you recreational lifters take such harmful substances. Methyl-DHT was probably even much worse (remember Omega Sports Methyl-Jacked?) than the current crop of DHT PHs.
Thanos
Member
Keep these apart for sure
EasyEJL
Never enough
The question mark is whether it is something else in the conversion of test to DHT that causes those issues, or is it the DHT itself, or whether its the fact that a majority of the conversion from test to DHT occurs in the prostate... So if the DHT is exogenous, it doesn't necessarily have the same effect.
From a current clinical trial, where they are investigating using DHT gel instead of test gels for TRT
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Our bodies are quite complex
tyler4
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More recent studies have shown that DHT doesnt have a harmful effect on a healthy prostate as once thought. 18 year old boys have the highest DHT levels of anyone yet none of them have prostate issues.
tyler4
Active member
I think DHEA has some aromitization to estrogen and in most cases, low libido is a result of not enough estrogen.
Spudpunx
Member
yes i never intended to run the one AND 1-t tren at the same time i just wanted to know which one everyone else thought would be better...
SoCalWFF
New member
Just came off of PCT and a little break from Last PH cycle, started 1-T Tren today, and have never had a better workout in my life! Last Cycle was CTD Decabolen with lots of liver supports during and after with a good PCT and had awesome gains..but my liver probably hated me for it. Not sure whether it's from lifting off of a PH for almost 2 months, but this stuff was great..more weight, more reps, less fatigue increased cardio...I mean everything was off the charts. Really liking it and it's only day one...I'll keep everyone posted on my gains, but would recommened this to any of my friends who lift or anyone sitting on the fence as to what to try next.
Trauma1
Legend
raw1973
New member
EasyEJL
Never enough
i'll have to hunt for them, but there are a few
Steveoph
NutraPlanet NinjaMonkey Rep
Awesome; I love seeing bloodwork. Must be because of my science/lab work lol.
SoCalWFF
New member
Trauma-1,
Was going to get started on a formal log this week. Just had second workout, still great performance in the gym..does make you a little lethargic though towards end of day, but just take in some caffeine and it's all good. No effect on libido either. I'll let you know when I get started on a log and post it as such.
Was going to get started on a formal log this week. Just had second workout, still great performance in the gym..does make you a little lethargic though towards end of day, but just take in some caffeine and it's all good. No effect on libido either. I'll let you know when I get started on a log and post it as such.
Trauma1
Legend
Sounds good. Glad to hear all has started off well. I suggest combating lethargy with a stim of choice as you're doing. Make sure you're getting in a good amount of complex carbs throughout the day as well.
Some guys even apply the 1-T Tren before bed as an over-night dwell time to avoid the lethargy issue all together, however, insomnia can be an issue for some people as well. Each person and situation is different. That's why we suggest tailoring your application times to what works out best for you.
SoCalWFF
New member
I know the 1-T Tren is working...cause people at work are starting to ask "questions"...so the effects are definately noticeable...great product! Will post the log when I'm finished with this first cycle. Only downside I can say is the price for the quantity...with one bottle at 5 pumps you can't go the 6 weeks it recommends.
BurghHardcore
Well-known member
Are you sure you're talking about 1-T....or did you actually mean 1-T Tren??
I was of the understanding that, unless predisposed of course, with 1-T you were at no risk of gyno. Whereas with 1-T Tren it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some support supps on hand just in case. A PP rep maybe shed light on this?
Dragon13
Active member
No, 1-T can stimulate gyno. Happened to me, went away almost literally overnight after I introduced an AI. My theory is that it was the DHEA (which can aromatize unlike the 1-Andro).
I believe I am predisposed, though, so take this FWIW.
Spudpunx
Member
My libido is pretty good. I think that if i wasnt takin the havoc it would be almost unchanged. Usually right after the gym i have an even higher libido than usual.
BurghHardcore
Well-known member
OK, I got you there. I was thinking that as well. What AI did you use? I was going to have some Reversitol on hand for my 1-T cycle just in case. If not reversitol, maybe some I3C?? BTW I will also be using Sustain Alpha 3 days a week while on. I know this is mainly for libido and HPTA stimulating purposes, but will the SA help with the gyno situation AT ALL?
Trauma1
Legend
A good theory though, and you're probably right. The DHEA will have the potential to aggravate symptoms in some people due to conversion factors.
raw1973
New member
So if 1-T or Dermacrine is taken w/ an Aromatise Inhibitor, will that force the DHEA down the Test. pathway.? Is that a good route to take?
redrocket399
Member
sorry to jump in,
I went ahead and bought The One when it first came out and recently went ahead and bought 1-T Tren with PP's 48hour deal. I havent taken any of it yet because i just got done with a cycle of Furazadrol...
My question is because both these are fairly strong, which one should i use first? Im going to be trying to add on as much lbm as possible through the summer.
Thanks guys
I went ahead and bought The One when it first came out and recently went ahead and bought 1-T Tren with PP's 48hour deal. I havent taken any of it yet because i just got done with a cycle of Furazadrol...
My question is because both these are fairly strong, which one should i use first? Im going to be trying to add on as much lbm as possible through the summer.
Thanks guys
Trauma1
Legend
Potentially - the addition of DHEA though is many fold. Completely killing off estrogen is not the goal, here. I don't know why so many guys these days focus on that. Estrogen is very important to not only you lipid profile, but also your libido, and your joints.
I can understand why some guys with potential gyno issues would want to mitigate estrogen potential, and rightfully so at times, but the formulation we put together was designed to be complete in many ways. This includes mitigating potential libido, lethargy, and hair loss factors.
I honestly wouldn't recommend AI intervention unless it's really needed. In other words, i definitely recommend you have it on hand to attenuate issues IF they begin to arise.