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First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol

Day 84 238 (+18)

Day 84 Arms

standing ez bar curl: 115*6, 135*6, 145*6, 155*6, 165*5
:)

weighted dips: +100*15, +100*12, +100*10
:)

standing db curls: 65*5, 70*5, 75*5
:)

tricep pushdowns: 120*10, 130*10, 140*8

dumbell concentration curls: 50*6, 55*6, 60*5​


It's definitely a good workout by any standards. TBH though i've never had a bad arm workout, my arms have some of my highest lifts and have always (genetically) grown well. Today was particularly good, with PRs on the first two exercises.

Coupled with the high weigh in, i'm happy... i'll keep stuffing down the food... I look a little bloated but **** it right.
 
sorry about that.. hit enter on accident, lol
anyways. i had a question for you unreal, what is the brand of SD you are taking? i have been told there are MANYYYY clones that dont work, and i am interested in trying this :)
 
it was SNS Methyl Drol XT until it ran out and then EST Methyl Vol after that.
 
Trapstar said:
sorry about that.. hit enter on accident, lol
anyways. i had a question for you unreal, what is the brand of SD you are taking? i have been told there are MANYYYY clones that dont work, and i am interested in trying this :)
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I'm ignorant when it comes to what a clone is: Intution says a clone is a replica - how can a replica not work?
 
your cycle doesn't make any sense to me. You would probably see 10x more gains from superdrol alone than from the way you're about to run test.
 
it says to do it for no longer than 6 weeks, sust is not just one test, it is 4 different ones mixed in one. and im just curious.. but how could superdrol be more effective than test??! also did you say you lost everything after you got off it?
 
"it says" wtf is it... you're using some cycle book that is giving you bad information... a 6 week cycle injecting 250mg what was it, every 8 days, is STUPID. Yes it is 4 different types of test mixed into one. Did you even read what the esters are? it includes the propionate ester which has a 4.5 day half life, it should be shot every day or every other day.

That is why the FIRST thing you read about sustanon when you start researching is that you should inject it eod or 3x a week in order to take advantage of the shorter esters. To inject e8d because of the longer esters is a complete misinterpretation of how to use sustanon, IMO.

How could superdrol be more effective than test, well you should do some reading, testosterone isn't very powerful mg for mg. Orals are more powerful mg for mg, and methylation alters their properties and makes them more potent. IMO 10mg of Superdrol a day is more potent than 100mg of test a day.

Bottom line, BRO, you should read more before you start anything because your cycle is pretty silly and it'll probably just disappoint you. If you have more questions just PM me and i'll try to help you out... I just don't want any more talk of this in my thread. This is MY log :P

jakellpet said:
I'm ignorant when it comes to what a clone is: Intution says a clone is a replica - how can a replica not work?
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It is really because most of the raws are manufactured in China. Some of the raws are contaminated. Some of them were just synthesized wrong or ruined in some way... there have been many bottles from many companies that just did not function. It's happened to a lot of the members here who run a lot of orals, I read about it all the time.
 
Day 86 238 (+18)

No complaining here... Haha, got my weight gains to stick and my strength is doing good! Took longer than I thought with prop, but i'd say things are going pretty well now.

What surprises me the most is the lack of sides. The only differences I notice from being completely natty are 1) horny 2) muscles harder and better pumps and 3) steady strength gains.

I can increase my weight like this naturally so i feel it isn't even helping that much but my squats NEVER increase like this... I have been squatting for a long time and until recently I had never gone past 365 and today i got 385 for 4 reps... this is good ****... :)

Day 86 Legs

squats: 225*6, 315*6, 365*6, 385*4
:)

front squats: 185*10, 185*10
still hard to hold the bar, i did go ATG though

hack squats: 315*6, 335*5
i count the machine as 45lb so 315 means 3 plates per side, this hack squat is more difficult than most i've tried

calves (calve raises on smith machine): 345*25, 345*25
ran out of time at this point but my reps were good!​

Cool huh! Only problem is I'm really not happy eating this much and it'll be hard to sustain. I mean I have to get high and forcefeed in order to hit/exceed 4K calories daily. My stomach doesn't like being so full. This will be my last bulk for a long time because i'm just not pleased having to eat like this. Like i said i have a slow metabolism and don't usually eat much relative to my size. You people hitting 5K+ make me want to throw up.
 
UnrealMachine said:
No complaining here... Haha, got my weight gains to stick and my strength is doing good! Took longer than I thought with prop, but i'd say things are going pretty well now.

What surprises me the most is the lack of sides. The only differences I notice from being completely natty are 1) horny 2) muscles harder and better pumps and 3) steady strength gains.

I can increase my weight like this naturally so i feel it isn't even helping that much but my squats NEVER increase like this... I have been squatting for a long time and until recently I had never gone past 365 and today i got 385 for 4 reps... this is good ****... :)

Day 85 Legs

squats: 225*6, 315*6, 365*6, 385*4
:)

front squats: 185*10, 185*10
still hard to hold the bar, i did go ATG though

hack squats: 315*6, 335*5
i count the machine as 45lb so 315 means 3 plates per side, this hack squat is more difficult than most i've tried

calves (calve raises on smith machine): 345*25, 345*25
ran out of time at this point but my reps were good!​

Cool huh! Only problem is I'm really not happy eating this much and it'll be hard to sustain. I mean I have to get high and forcefeed in order to hit/exceed 4K calories daily. My stomach doesn't like being so full. This will be my last bulk for a long time because i'm just not pleased having to eat like this. Like i said i have a slow metabolism and don't usually eat much relative to my size. You people hitting 5K+ make me want to throw up.
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Good **** bro! Glad to see things are coming together for you. How many more weeks do you have?

What your talking about, with food, is exactly why i don't believe half these kids that say they are eating that much(4-5kcal) EVERY day, day in and day out, or that much clean in general.

When you ask someone "how much do you eat " and they say "ahh bro, i eat alot" bla bla.. You THINK you eat allot, but in reality your not..

I eat 3k-3200 a day, CLEAN, low carb, and it is enough daily for me, and even at that i get sick of it. Honestly, i rather be dieting, it is easier for me to NOT eat as much. Cept for weekly refeeds when i eat 8-10k..lol

This is why i argue, the point that if you need to drink 2-3 shakes a day, to be consistent EVERY day, then do it. I rather get in all my meals, every day of the week, then miss meals here and there, because i cant cram any more whole food in my face:)

I believe the BIG ass dudes that say it, though.lol
 
I'll see how my gains go. I'm ~day 21 so probably 3 more weeks to make it 6 total.
 
UnrealMachine said:
No complaining here... Haha, got my weight gains to stick and my strength is doing good! Took longer than I thought with prop, but i'd say things are going pretty well now.

What surprises me the most is the lack of sides. The only differences I notice from being completely natty are 1) horny 2) muscles harder and better pumps and 3) steady strength gains.

I can increase my weight like this naturally so i feel it isn't even helping that much but my squats NEVER increase like this... I have been squatting for a long time and until recently I had never gone past 365 and today i got 385 for 4 reps... this is good ****... :)

Day 85 Legs

squats: 225*6, 315*6, 365*6, 385*4
:)

front squats: 185*10, 185*10
still hard to hold the bar, i did go ATG though

hack squats: 315*6, 335*5
i count the machine as 45lb so 315 means 3 plates per side, this hack squat is more difficult than most i've tried

calves (calve raises on smith machine): 345*25, 345*25
ran out of time at this point but my reps were good!​

Cool huh! Only problem is I'm really not happy eating this much and it'll be hard to sustain. I mean I have to get high and forcefeed in order to hit/exceed 4K calories daily. My stomach doesn't like being so full. This will be my last bulk for a long time because i'm just not pleased having to eat like this. Like i said i have a slow metabolism and don't usually eat much relative to my size. You people hitting 5K+ make me want to throw up.
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I agree 100% man. Force feeding myself is the absolute WORST! For 1 I can't afford to eat like this all the time, and I wouldn't want to eat that much to keep size gains. I've added more calories but still no where near what I did while on cycle. It just isn't normal. I feel so much better too. Keep kickin' ass UNREAL! SOOOOOO nice to see your turning this terrible nightmare around .:clap2:
 
angel77 said:
I agree 100% man. Force feeding myself is the absolute WORST! For 1 I can't afford to eat like this all the time, and I wouldn't want to eat that much to keep size gains. I've added more calories but still no where near what I did while on cycle. It just isn't normal. I feel so much better too. Keep kickin' ass UNREAL! SOOOOOO nice to see your turning this terrible nightmare around .:clap2:
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I hate it!! Granted im running an oral but ive been forcing food down my face all day and im just stuffed all day..cant wait for the 4 weeks to be over so i can slowly reduce cals and go on a cut lol
 
Day 87 236 (+16)

my weigh in is always low after a cardio day. which is all i have to say, core training with cardio today. boring.

i want to try to get some updated pics for yall tomorrow. it'll be chest day.
 
i didn't know you were 18 dude... you're not allowed here by the rules. And you should really be older before getting into this stuff. I feel bad having tried to give you cycle advice now, i assumed you were in your 20's because you claim to be married.
 
Day 89 237 (+17)

So some of that weight has stuck... now i just really want to hit 240 solid before this cycle ends... a few more weeks :)

I took yesterday off. I shouldn't have, but Friday night I was with a bunch of friends and had an awesome time, basically slept through all Saturday morning.

Strength was not up at all today. But it's ok it was still a good workout, good pump, I feel like I might look a little bit better than I did say 2 weeks ago... prop working?! Gotta be.

Day 89 Chest

bench: 185*10, 215*10, 225*10, 235*10, 255*8, 275*8, 295*4
don't usually train so much volume! Really burned out

incline db fly: 40*10, 50*10, 55*10
really difficult on the last few reps of the last set

flat db fly: 40*8, 40*8
big ROM, reps started getting really grueling

db pullovers: 90*8
at this point I had had enough​


A negative to note, my elbows and shoulders weren't feeling great, i'm taking some Cissus.
 
Day 90 238 (+18 since cycle start, +3 since Test Prop start)

Back workout. Nothing is really up with my strength just a solid workout. The last few weeks has seen me gain a couple reps of strength and a couple pounds of weight but I guess i expected a lot more out of 700mg ew of prop, which is prolly ~800mg ew of enanthate. I figure i'll run about 2 more weeks. I've been takign HCG 250mg 3x a week.

No bloat, no hairloss, no BP issues, noticing slightly more oily forehead but the difference in acne is really negligible, libido still up, no "on" feeling i still don't understand what that one is.

My strength gains are weird, my squats are up and my arms are up. Up about 15 pounds on squats and about 10 pounds on my heaviest arm exercises. My bench is not up at all. My back is up about 1 rep on rows, not much noticable on the other lifts. They're still good gains, but you see Superdrol did crazy things like up 50 on bench and 20 on arms. I guess i'm just disappointed because I realize if this is my gain rate on Test I'll have to run some long ass cycles, 6 weeks of prop won't cut it. It's too weak.

Happy that i've made progress and that i'm doing relatively well right now, just sad that I haven't made "steroid" like gains.

Day 26 of Test prop @ 100mg ED and I am up 3 pounds. Mostly due to eating significantly more. I still can't help but feel like I am somehow well below average in terms of how my body responds to testosterone.


Day 90 Back

pullups: bw*10*3

wide grip bent over rows: 135*10, 155*10, 185*10, 205*10, 225*8
love the wide grip

pulldowns: 160*10, 170*8, 140*10 (wide)

iso row machine: 200*12*2​
 
UnrealMachine said:
So some of that weight has stuck... now i just really want to hit 240 solid before this cycle ends... a few more weeks :)

I took yesterday off. I shouldn't have, but Friday night I was with a bunch of friends and had an awesome time, basically slept through all Saturday morning.

Strength was not up at all today. But it's ok it was still a good workout, good pump, I feel like I might look a little bit better than I did say 2 weeks ago... prop working?! Gotta be.

Day 89 Chest

bench: 185*10, 215*10, 225*10, 235*10, 255*8, 275*8, 295*4
don't usually train so much volume! Really burned out

incline db fly: 40*10, 50*10, 55*10
really difficult on the last few reps of the last set

flat db fly: 40*8, 40*8
big ROM, reps started getting really grueling

db pullovers: 90*8
at this point I had had enough​


A negative to note, my elbows and shoulders weren't feeling great, i'm taking some Cissus.
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If your shoulders arent feeling great, avoid the dumbell pullovers (assuming you are doing them laying on a bench extending the dubell over and past the head and then pulling up. There are much better exercises..this one puts your shoulders at high injury risk.
 
yeah that's why i stopped after 1 set. My elbows bothered me today too. Still taking cissus.
 
My mom's family do ok. I'm 32 and I do have a receding hairline but that seems to have stopped in the last 4 years and isn't all that serious.
In addition I'm only doing half the dosage for half the time. I split a bottle with a buddy.
 
Days 91 & 92 238 pounds

no pics so far because i need my workout partner to take them and I haven't been able to lift with him

Day 91: started doing shoulders. Immediately it didn't go well, my military press was actually DOWN a rep from the previous time. Making it no better than before i started taking Test prop a full month ago. I was so disappointed that I stopped my workout and did cardio.

Day 92: arm day. Got up to my usual weight, 75*5 on standing curls and +100*15 on weighted dips. But my drive wasn't there. There's a lot of reasons, i don't like eating so much, i feel sluggish and generally bad. I don't like my look in the mirror. Despite being pretty strong right now, the reduced definition has just got me looking bad... also I felt like my recovery has worsened because i've been doing more lifting and less cardio in the last couple months. And, finally, the pump I got felt cold and strained.

I'm going to stop the cycle soon.

I started Test Prop @ 100mg ed on day 65 so i'm on the very end of week 4 and despite making some gains, I am overall extremely disappointed. I have gained 3 pounds that I attribute entirely to increased eating which means the weight gain can be associated with extra food and water in my system... the kind of gains that disappear within 24 hours of eating normally again.

Here is a summary of the strength gains from the last month while on Test prop
bench: +0
flys: +0
curls: +10
tris: +10
squats: +15
rows: +0
shoulders (press): +0

those are all my "main lifts" so to speak. My arms gain well genetically, they are my strongest part. My squats legitimately increased and i got some nice PRs. Most lifts did not increase at all. Not even a rep.


Obviously, if you read the first part of this journal, you can see that the same diet and training netted huge gains on Superdrol. I gained 25 pounds and was repping 315 on bench again. A lot of that weight was water/bloat so when i dropped the SD i lost about 10 pounds but most was bad weight anyway. But since getting off the Superdrol, i lost most of the strength gains and made only very minor progress in getting them back with test prop.

My conclusion is simple. Testosterone does not work well for me. The strength gains are about what i'd expect from natural bulking and the weight gains are what i'd expect from the diet I had. While my muscles do feel hard and have an increased pump, the mass and strength gains are so weak that, in my opinion, testosterone isn't worth my time or money. It is just not helpful enough to warrant using it...

If i ever run test again, it will be as a base to maintain libido, as that is all it is good for.

Testosterone functions just like Epistane for me, i get anabolic effects but not the weight/strength gains that steroids should impart. I am pretty much just disgusted with the whole thing here because I'm out a lot of money and I look worse than when I started the cycle. I'm bigger, and I am stronger, but I have gained more fat than muscle from trying to eat so much, relying on the steroids to build LBM when it just wasn't happening.

I'll update this occasionally through PCT to let you guys know how i'm doing but I am 100% convinced that certain people have inherently different responses to steroids... I am still trying to get my head around it, how test can do so little while Superdrol can do so much. Different receptor densities/locations... I don't know, if anyone else has had an experience like this, PM me because i'm scientifically curious.

i like graphs
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for incline i took the best set of incline bench whenever i performed it. During Superdrol, this was usually AFTER FLAT BENCH (for the first several points). On prop, incline was always done first on chest day (and you see towards the end i stopped doing incline because it was so bad, i transitioned to flat bench)
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On superdrol my incline went from 225*5 to 265*5. On Prop, it decreased from 265*4 to 265*2 (which was so bad that the previous set was a better calculated max)
 
18lbs isnt horrible unreal, u gotta look at the bright side.

just start PCT and afterward take a week or so off. it seems that ur just training too much and need a break.

next cycle should be test/tren 50/50 ed. if u dont notice much, then bump the tren to 75mg ed.....then if nothing, i would give up on anabolics :(

...but make homebrew tren so u KNOW its legit
 
18 pounds but mostly fat that's the problem. A lot of my definition is gone. The added mass has to be mostly in my arms and quads.

Oh if i get my hands on tren (and homebrewing is very tempting) i am going to start at 75mg ed. That's my last shot at anabolics... that fails and then i give up forever.

In the meantime I want to get lean because i'm tired of eating and trying to bulk, i feel pretty shitty and want to get rid of this belly.

I've got some graphs coming up, you'll like them.
 
Ya, giving up on anabolics prob isn't a bad idea, if you have another dud cycle next time around. All the health implications, with no reward? No thanks..lol

Looking forward to ur pics.

I will say man, you are an anomaly.
 
i feel like an anomaly. it feels bad. the graphs really show what i've been saying. Superdrol just works 100x better than test. I don't know why my body is not responding properly to testosterone. I feel very alone >< and i might have to downsize my goals because i don't know if the other injectables will work or not.
 
You are alone.haha

Do you plan to throw in an oral next time, at the beginning? Like Dbol maybe?? Id like to see how you respond to that.
 
I bet dbol would work because Superdrol works on me. Phera Plex works but it's to a much lesser extent, i had definite gains but Superdrol stomps it.

But, the next cycle I will try to do will be testprop with Tren over summer (late summer). For a cutting phase. So no dbol. Tren is the penultimate, that's what I want to try out and see if I can stick around in this game. So far Superdrol is the only steroid i've tried that i think is worth my time, and high dosed Phera Plex is OK.

Test prop, so disappointing... i didn't know the graph of incline strength would turn out like that. I think it's simply astonishing. I knew my bench was stagnant, but i forgot that I had started doing flat bench because my incline went DOWN. So bad.
 
I'm just really contemplating your gear Unreal.. something is wrongggg. I just got mine today, weeeeeeehawwwww pumped.
Tren/Prop would be a good run though...
 
UnrealMachine said:
I bet dbol would work because Superdrol works on me. Phera Plex works but it's to a much lesser extent, i had definite gains but Superdrol stomps it.

But, the next cycle I will try to do will be testprop with Tren over summer (late summer). For a cutting phase. So no dbol. Tren is the penultimate, that's what I want to try out and see if I can stick around in this game. So far Superdrol is the only steroid i've tried that i think is worth my time, and high dosed Phera Plex is OK.

Test prop, so disappointing... i didn't know the graph of incline strength would turn out like that. I think it's simply astonishing. I knew my bench was stagnant, but i forgot that I had started doing flat bench because my incline went DOWN. So bad.
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Didn't you lose most of your gains from the superdrol?
 
The only thing i could possibly think of is that you have a freak body that naturally produces 1000+ng/dl of test. There are rarely people that have test this high naturally from things i have seen. I know i asked before if you had you test levels taken but i think you said no. It would explain the SD because its one of the strongest steroids out when used in normal dosing and by far the strongest you have used.

The only good thing is that if you have no real gains its probably having zero bad effects on your body. If this is the case you might just have to use 2x-3x the "normal" doses of juice. There is just no way you should get a bad pump or very sore on a good cycle.

Just remember that the only reason we have these preconceived normal and max doses of different steroids is because of diminishing returns and bad side effects. You need to find this level for your own body. Home brew is basically your only option because of the price. You could still run some full out wacky cycles this way for a few hundred though.

Good luck on this. Hope i gave you something to think on.
 
yeah you guys did give me plenty of stuff to think on

and now i give you picture

a few seconds...

Cycle Results


Start: 12/7/08 @ 6'1 220
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Post Superdrol 1/9/09 @ 6'1 240
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During test prop 3/14/09 @ 6'1 235
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and here's a side bicep from today as well
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My bicep does look big but I did put on a lot of fat.
 
been off the SD for a long time, not worried about lipids. Few people running just test should have to be.
 
UnrealMachine said:
been off the SD for a long time, not worried about lipids. Few people running just test should have to be.
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I didn't read the entire thread as you may have noticed .
Superdrol will put your lipids in the single digits and 500mg of test a week at the same time doesn't help . I think the s-drol is a good idea to jumpstart a test cycle as long as there is no pre-existing cholesterol problems .
 
no preexisting problems, and the enanthate was either bunk or underdosed, either way it didn't do ****. But my prop didn't do much in terms of gains either so who knows. At any rate the cycle is over.
 
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