First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol

Day 71 234 (+14)

if i were on SD my weight would be climbing everyday. I'm eating enough for it to happen and nothing is happening. I've been putting the calories down the last few days and I feel like the extra carbs have added a little more soft look if anything.

Day 7 of injecting 100mg of prop ed and nothing to report.

Hardness has dropped down since i stopped taking the 19-nor. In the 3 or so days I was on it, my muscular hardness was really amazing. Now it's back down to just above average. Chemically enhanced but not a ton.

I trained core and cardio today. My workout was good, i had good energy for my cardio too. Not much to report though. Kinda pissed because this prop should be doing something by now.
 
UnrealMachine said:
if i were on SD my weight would be climbing everyday. I'm eating enough for it to happen and nothing is happening. I've been putting the calories down the last few days and I feel like the extra carbs have added a little more soft look if anything.

Day 7 of injecting 100mg of prop ed and nothing to report.

Hardness has dropped down since i stopped taking the 19-nor. In the 3 or so days I was on it, my muscular hardness was really amazing. Now it's back down to just above average. Chemically enhanced but not a ton.

I trained core and cardio today. My workout was good, i had good energy for my cardio too. Not much to report though. Kinda pissed because this prop should be doing something by now.
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just end the cycle. do ur PCT, wait adequte time....and move on to prop/tren :D
 
Nos, what's your reasoning for that. Like if it's not affecting me now, then it will affect me in a few months?

Ideally speaking, my test levels have been barely above baseline since i started on underdosed test and now since i'm shooting 100mg ed they are rapidly increasing and I am on the verge of seeing results. Why would i stop now?

How can I stop a test cycle when the test hasn't even begun to work on me yet. That's TOO disappointing. I still have to be convinced that test does work on me, because as far as I can tell it doesn't. I've had the hardness for weeks, this is better muscular hardness than I possess naturally, I KNOW anabolic/androgenic activity is going on to SOME extent, but I am not making gains and I am certainly putting forth sufficient training and calories. I've been sore everyday for weeks. I am not satisfied yet. I am going to shoot this **** until it does something and if that doesn't happen, then i'm quitting this **** altogether.
 
why comment wasnt serious, lol. if u come to the conclusion that test alone just doesnt cut it....then go ahead (down the road) and try out tren...its basically the strongest AAS there is.

definitely keep on keeping on and make this sh!t work. u should definitely be noticing something by the end of week 2
 
nosnmiveins said:
why comment wasnt serious, lol. if u come to the conclusion that test alone just doesnt cut it....then go ahead (down the road) and try out tren...its basically the strongest AAS there is.

definitely keep on keeping on and make this sh!t work. u should definitely be noticing something by the end of week 2
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Tren is what bodybuilders dreams are made of!
 
Hopefully. I'm just confused, the probability of my test E actually being underdosed is low, it should be good which means that Test just doesn't do **** for me. And now with the prop I am really expecting good things to start happening, and if they don't i'm going to come to the conclusion that Test isn't affecting me.

And I don't like that conclusion, because apparently test works on everybody. But i've read the logs, i've read the posts, thousands of them, i know what to look for:

weight gain - No
strength gain - No
water weight and estrogen aromatization - Sensitive nips, using Letro (Yes)
acne - Had a couple pimples, they went away (No)
libido increase - right now I would say Yes, but to a minor extent
sweating more - No
feel good/confident - No
testicular suppresion - Yes

Based on testicular suppression and my sensitive nips alone, I know that I am being suppressed by exogenous hormones that are converting to estrogen. By all indications, the steroids should be working and I should be gaining. It's just not happening.


And here is why i'm worried. This is exactly how most Designer Steroids affected me, like Epistane. They work in that I can tell the effects are present, except for weight and strength increases, which were 0. Nobody can explain to me why this is possible. So I continue to be confused and go about this cycle just hoping, hoping that my body isn't so abnormal as it seems to be.

Throughout all this, Superdrol is the only steroid that worked PROPERLY meaning the magnitude of my gains is comparable to those of other users. I gain amazingly well off of it. 0 from other DS/PH. I do not get it. Just worried that test is the same way. Why am I the only one.


I'm sorry this log doesn't contribute much. Well, I knew from the start that steroids don't work well on me, almost 2 years ago when i first ran Halodrol-50 and noticed absolutely nothing from it, just nothing in any imaginable way.

Anyway, to give myself some much-needed peace of mind, i have an ultimatum. Within 10 days I want evidence that this test is doing something, else I end the cycle. 17 days of 100mg ed test prop should be sufficient starting from already-elevated levels. I am just too busy with my life to have this situation last any longer.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Hopefully. I'm just confused, the probability of my test E actually being underdosed is low, it should be good which means that Test just doesn't do **** for me. And now with the prop I am really expecting good things to start happening, and if they don't i'm going to come to the conclusion that Test isn't affecting me.

And I don't like that conclusion, because apparently test works on everybody. But i've read the logs, i've read the posts, thousands of them, i know what to look for:

weight gain - No
strength gain - No
water weight and estrogen aromatization - Sensitive nips, using Letro (Yes)
acne - Had a couple pimples, they went away (No)
libido increase - right now I would say Yes, but to a minor extent
sweating more - No
feel good/confident - No
testicular suppresion - Yes

Based on testicular suppression and my sensitive nips alone, I know that I am being suppressed by exogenous hormones that are converting to estrogen. By all indications, the steroids should be working and I should be gaining. It's just not happening.


And here is why i'm worried. This is exactly how most Designer Steroids affected me, like Epistane. They work in that I can tell the effects are present, except for weight and strength increases, which were 0. Nobody can explain to me why this is possible. So I continue to be confused and go about this cycle just hoping, hoping that my body isn't so abnormal as it seems to be.

Throughout all this, Superdrol is the only steroid that worked PROPERLY meaning the magnitude of my gains is comparable to those of other users. I gain amazingly well off of it. 0 from other DS/PH. I do not get it. Just worried that test is the same way. Why am I the only one.


I'm sorry this log doesn't contribute much. Well, I knew from the start that steroids don't work well on me, almost 2 years ago when i first ran Halodrol-50 and noticed absolutely nothing from it, just nothing in any imaginable way.

Anyway, to give myself some much-needed peace of mind, i have an ultimatum. Within 10 days I want evidence that this test is doing something, else I end the cycle. 17 days of 100mg ed test prop should be sufficient starting from already-elevated levels. I am just too busy with my life to have this situation last any longer.
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I just don't see how (not responding to test) could be an option. If the test-e & prop is legit than your levels of test would be higher than what your body naturally produces & you would see gains in muscle mass and strength. Your testicular shrinkage could be and probably is from the superdrol. This could also be why your nipples are sensitive. Even if the test was underdosed or not test-e at all it be enough to continue the nip sensitivity and obviously keep testes smaller than normal. From all I've gathered by reading this the sh*t may be bunk man. I know you say the source is solid but I'd question it.

Science says there is no way you can't respond to testosterone. I have seen how some are non-responders to some oral compounds but that is very different from Testosterone. Just my opinion Unreal. I hope this turns around for you. Cheers, angel77
 
nosnmiveins said:
theres no way to know for sure unless u have bloodwork done.

/end of discussion
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Very true Nos. I'd be very interested to see the levels.

Unreal, I will say I feel for you man. You've been extremely dedicated and seem to have everything in order. You do plan on getting blood tests don't you? This would answer alot of your questions. You should be responding at the levels your injecting.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Nos, what's your reasoning for that. Like if it's not affecting me now, then it will affect me in a few months?

Ideally speaking, my test levels have been barely above baseline since i started on underdosed test and now since i'm shooting 100mg ed they are rapidly increasing and I am on the verge of seeing results. Why would i stop now?

How can I stop a test cycle when the test hasn't even begun to work on me yet. That's TOO disappointing. I still have to be convinced that test does work on me, because as far as I can tell it doesn't. I've had the hardness for weeks, this is better muscular hardness than I possess naturally, I KNOW anabolic/androgenic activity is going on to SOME extent, but I am not making gains and I am certainly putting forth sufficient training and calories. I've been sore everyday for weeks. I am not satisfied yet. I am going to shoot this **** until it does something and if that doesn't happen, then i'm quitting this **** altogether.
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Id love to see your Total/free/bio test RIGHT now.

Maybe you are just so damn anabolic naturally, that steroids take you down a notch..:blink:lol

Id start your HCG BTW..


Usually with prop 5-7 days in and my libido is soaring. Body comp changes don't really become too pronounced till week 2-3 for me.
 
sensitive nips and shutdown on this magnitude cannot be a vestige of Superdrol that i stopped taking over 5 weeks ago. And angel, i stopped taking the Enanthate and started on propionate 100mg ed. There is no way that both are bunk.

I fully expect bloodwork to show elevated testosterone levels, they have to be as i've been injecting a lot in, and I know that it is aromatizing into estrogen and causing the sensitive nips. I should have bloodwork done, but I am too poor. It's not a good excuse, I know, but obviously I planned on my cycle working and had just enough money for it and all the support chems I have to make sure i'm SAFE.
I don't have enough money to answer my scientific curiosities.

I dont know what the bloodwork would prove though. I am discluding the possibility that both types of Test I got, from two different sources, are bunk. I am having anabolic effects, so that goes out the window.

Bloodwork would simply give me a # for test, probably between 500 and 3000. And no matter what that number is, it wouldn't help me cope with the fact that i'm using 700+ mg of test a week and not gaining a pound.

imprezivr6 said:
Id love to see your Total/free/bio test RIGHT now.

Maybe you are just so damn anabolic naturally, that steroids take you down a notch..:blink:lol

Id start your HCG BTW..


Usually with prop 5-7 days in and my libido is soaring. Body comp changes don't really become too pronounced till week 2-3 for me.
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Hey imprez man. Kinda funny, that was my conclusion after I took the Hdrol. For all I know it has some validity as I've never had the problems of low test even during PCT. Never had depression, trouble sleeping, loss of libido or sexual function, lethargy etc. during any PCT. Pretty much had nothing during PCT but after SD cycles my strength and weight went down, my body couldn't maintain it.

If you say 2-3 weeks I will keep this prop going. With HCG yes i just need to order some BA water a vial and I need to stock up on pins again. But, I can only keep this up for so long before I have to stop.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Hey imprez man. Kinda funny, that was my conclusion after I took the Hdrol. For all I know it has some validity as I've never had the problems of low test even during PCT. Never had depression, trouble sleeping, loss of libido or sexual function, lethargy etc. during any PCT. Pretty much had nothing during PCT but after SD cycles my strength and weight went down, my body couldn't maintain it.

If you say 2-3 weeks I will keep this prop going. With HCG yes i just need to order some BA water a vial and I need to stock up on pins again. But, I can only keep this up for so long before I have to stop.
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Have you ever had your natural testosterone, tested?

BTW you want Bacteriostatic Water for HCG not BA. Id say the sooner you can get the HCG going the better.

Do you feel like your gaining fat right now, where your cals are?(since you started prop)
 
not ba I said the wrong thing my bad.

cals... around 3500, protein a day is around 340g. Well, a little bit more than that the last few days, but more food feels like it's adding fat and less food just makes me feel a little leaner around the waist, either way my weight doesn't change significantly, i'm amazed at how stable it has been.
 
UnrealMachine said:
not ba I said the wrong thing my bad.

cals... around 3500, protein a day is around 340g. Well, a little bit more than that the last few days, but more food feels like it's adding fat and less food just makes me feel a little leaner around the waist, either way my weight doesn't change significantly, i'm amazed at how stable it has been.
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Id really think about bumping your cals, maybey just add 10-15g protein to each of your meals.

I know you feel like your gaining fat, but honestly, it is probably more "bloat", and water, then anything.
 
balls to the wall on cals. for test prop I will try it.
It must seem like low cals, but my metabolism is pretty slow. People talk about eating 4000+, when i eat that I gain fat like crazy.
 
UnrealMachine said:
balls to the wall on cals. for test prop I will try it.
It must seem like low cals, but my metabolism is pretty slow. People talk about eating 4000+, when i eat that I gain fat like crazy.
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Go for it brotha!

I feel your pain on the metabolism thing..:)

I am an endo/meso, with a pretty shitty metabolism, 35lbs less then you, and eating 3500 cals right now, and not gaining fat at any appreciable rate, if at all. HOWEVER i do feel like i am..
 
as an abnormality, this log is probably one of the better ones I have followed - I'm not too interested in the logs that follow the recipe, I'm interested when the results are outside expectations.

Unreal - you've taken a sound analytical approach to the problem and tested a number of theories - lets just hope you get the desired results.
 
This is my first post ever! I have read your log every **** post from start to now, BEST log I have seen!!! I noticed that the first few weeks went amazing and then some issues began shortly after New Years like elbow tendinitis, also you got sick and dropped lbs b/c of that, do you think that your mental attitude has effected the gains (after some setbacks) , Arnold (biography) says the mind has the power to make you grow! DON'T STRESS! UNREAL your posts are great, your strong and looking like a beast. I hope the results that your looking for present soon!
 
there is no way that someone could be unresponsive to testosterone, its impossible.

either
your source(s) is bunk or severly underdosed
you expect way too much
you are eating insuffiecient calories
your training method is time for a change

those are the only things i can think of at the moment. You have been on how long now? Its probably time to hcg and decide soon to get off.
 
pistonpump said:
there is no way that someone could be unresponsive to testosterone, its impossible.

either
your source(s) is bunk or severly underdosed
you expect way too much
you are eating insuffiecient calories
your training method is time for a change

those are the only things i can think of at the moment. You have been on how long now? Its probably time to hcg and decide soon to get off.
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dude, I just watched part of your avatar. That is f*ckin' terrible. How can U watch that sh*t bro. Makes me feel sick to my stomach. Ha!
 
Unreal, I believe you and I are using the same prop at the moment. It's day 11 for me, nothing spectacular thus far. I've gained a couple pounds, either lean or water, and I'm pretty certain some physical effects are starting to show. Give the prop a bit more time brotha, I think it's legit!
 
I will give it more time and get the HCG going asap. I was expecting already elevated test levels to lead to a quicker kick-in time. I don't understand the magnitude to which the enanthate was underdosed, it would have to be horrible.

my libido feels like it's picking up strong right now, i'll cross my fingers
 
UnrealMachine said:
I will give it more time and get the HCG going asap. I was expecting already elevated test levels to lead to a quicker kick-in time. I don't understand the magnitude to which the enanthate was underdosed, it would have to be horrible.

my libido feels like it's picking up strong right now, i'll cross my fingers
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I haven't experienced much of anything as far as libido goes, but, your mileage will more than likely vary.. I'm on Zoloft, which totally kills my libido anyway :worried:
 
I think your expectation may be a little lofty. I also think cals might need to be upped. You gained 15 pounds thats alot in my book. If you are eating the same way you were in the beginning then of course you are going to stop gaining. you have to keep upping then along with your weight. Also what piston said maybe you need to switch your training up and give your body a shock.
 
Well i've decided the enanthate's underdose is worse than I thought, which i should have expected because 900mg wasn't doing it... It's probably 100mg/mL so basically running 200 and then 300, more than normal but not enough... And i was probably impatient waiting for my prop to start working because I figured I'd be at a higher concentration now.
 
Day 72 236 (+16)

A bit more optimistic now, I think i've been overestimating the enanthate and thus anxious on the prop. Today i would say with certainty that my libido is jacked.

I worked legs, didn't have much time, not bad though

Legs

squats: 225*8, 295*6, 315*6, 335*6, 365*4

front squats: 135*6, 185*6, 205*5
i still find front squats amazingly difficult and its hard to hold the bar

calve raises (smith press, elevated toes): 285*20, 335*20, 375*20, 425*20
I'm glad i got the set at 425. That much weight on my back is a lot, i can tell it's hard to keep my back aligned sometimes when i'm hitting failure, but haha i love these reps.
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Had a calve vein really popping out after that

Not a whole lot but it felt good enough. Tomorrow is arms, I can't wait to see how it goes.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well i've decided the enanthate's underdose is worse than I thought, which i should have expected because 900mg wasn't doing it... It's probably 100mg/mL so basically running 200 and then 300, more than normal but not enough... And i was probably impatient waiting for my prop to start working because I figured I'd be at a higher concentration now.
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What made you think further on the underdosing?

Keep at it bro! You got a hell of a log going despite the setbacks.
 
You've done great by hanging in there and not giving up on the cycle.. Man, I'd be pretty damn bummed about it by now.
 
My 16 pounds is not solid. If they were then it would be more acceptable results, but I posted some updated photos halfway through this log and it looks pretty bad, definitely look a lot worse than pre-cycle

and now i'm trying to hit 4K a day and I can tell already it's not good, looking soft and flabby around the midsection and chest. I'll keep going, it's just mentally depressing when you're gaining fat.
 
Day 73 236 (+16)

I'm a lot more excited today

I made 4 PR's, i've got them in red

Day 73 Biceps, Triceps

standing curls (ez curl bar): 115*6, 125*6, 135*6, 145*6, 155*6
damn i just kept going, i've never gotten that many reps at 155, it's usually so heavy i can only do a few and then nothing without swinging, today solid....

weighted dips: +100*14, +100*11, +100*10
never gotten 14 reps before

standing curls (dumbells): 60*8, 65*8, 70*8
limited ROM on the last two sets because my arms were too pumped to bring the dbs up to shoulder level

tricep pushdowns: 100*10, 110*10, 120*10, 130*10, 140*10
i don't know if i've ever done 140 before, certainly not for 10

concentration curls: 55*6, 60*6
actually getting 60 for 6 on concentration curls was difficult. this is the lift where you are seated with your elbow on your leg curling between your legs kinda


I'm surprised because I didn't feel particularly into it at first, felt kinda of tight and not warmed up (veins not poppin yet), but towards the end I recognized this strength surge and felt like i should push for some new #s
 
EXCELLENT workout Unreal! I'm happy for you bro. You've been waiting for a long time. Have a great weekend!
 
UnrealMachine said:
I'm a lot more excited today

I made 4 PR's, i've got them in red

Day 73 Biceps, Triceps

standing curls (ez curl bar): 115*6, 125*6, 135*6, 145*6, 155*6
damn i just kept going, i've never gotten that many reps at 155, it's usually so heavy i can only do a few and then nothing without swinging, today solid....

weighted dips: +100*14, +100*11, +100*10
never gotten 14 reps before

standing curls (dumbells): 60*8, 65*8, 70*8
limited ROM on the last two sets because my arms were too pumped to bring the dbs up to shoulder level

tricep pushdowns: 100*10, 110*10, 120*10, 130*10, 140*10
i don't know if i've ever done 140 before, certainly not for 10

concentration curls: 55*6, 60*6
actually getting 60 for 6 on concentration curls was difficult. this is the lift where you are seated with your elbow on your leg curling between your legs kinda


I'm surprised because I didn't feel particularly into it at first, felt kinda of tight and not warmed up (veins not poppin yet), but towards the end I recognized this strength surge and felt like i should push for some new #s
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You are pretty ****ing strong as it is.. Few more weeks like this will be crazy.:shock:
 
Day 74

I'm taking the day off. Haven't had an off day in a while now. No weigh-in.

What to say about today, i did the best inject ever in my quad, i couldn't even feel the needle. Muscles feeling large yet solid, good mind-muscle connection. Definitely hornier than a few days ago.

BTW, test prop started on day 65, so 10 days in. Finished the first vial, it was not short of 10mL.
 
Day 75 235 (+15)

did chest, my incline was low, i think maybe my tris are too sore from Friday

chest

incline: 185*8, 225*6, 245*5, 265*2

incline dumbell fly: 60*6, 65*6, 70*6

flat bench (pre-fatigued): 185*10, 195*10, 205*10, 215*10, 225*5
sudden failure lol

db pullovers: 90*12, 90*12, 90*11​
 
a guy at my gym is running the sust and deca from your source....he has been on for nine weeks and has made no gains whatsoever....and he says his joints hurt like hell still(hes old)...so we k now the decas bunk because even at 100mgs a week that would make his joints feel better...i dont think your gear was underdosed i think it was bunk....
 
mooch2321 said:
a guy at my gym is running the sust and deca from your source....he has been on for nine weeks and has made no gains whatsoever....and he says his joints hurt like hell still(hes old)...so we k now the decas bunk because even at 100mgs a week that would make his joints feel better...i dont think your gear was underdosed i think it was bunk....
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good thing hes got different prop.
 
Yes my prop is completely different. Maybe it was just my tri's being sore from Friday, it is very possible. i noticed when i did all that failure-based flat bench i failed really suddenly. I threw up 215*10 no problems of course and when i got to my 5th set my triceps died hard, that's why i stopped at 225*5. I actually did about 3 more reps but i couldn't get my triceps to lock out.

On the other hand, my incline dumbell flys felt very, very good. I think i can push to 75's next time. I did these with great form.
Maybe it was just a meh WO by chance. The weather is kind of dismal.

At any rate, i want to say with high confidence that my libido is significantly up. Poppin more random erections with great hardness and refractory time is way down. Sorry for all the details :P but it's true, this is how test works. Libido increase is usually faster than this 11 days in, i think i need a lot of time to build up the concentration, i know some people say it still takes 3 weeks for their prop to be roaring fully.

The #1 anabolic indicator to me is muscle hardness. There is a very noticable difference between off cycle and on. I think muscle hardness has increased in the last few days too, and I look leaner but that may just be because I trimmed all my bodyhair down again, everytime I do that I look leaner. Or maybe it's recomp effects from the last few days. I certainly feel good and look good.

I am having lots of trouble eating 4K calories a day. I am doing my best but i feel sick eating that much food. Smoking weed helps a lot but obviously i cannot do that all the time, i have work to do.
 
Day 76 235 (+15)

Back

bent over rows: 225*6, 245*6, 265*6, 275*3

wide grip pullups: 10, 10, 9

lat pulldown machine: 170*5, 140*8, 130*10, 130*8

one arm row machine: whole stack*12*3


I had a good workout. I got a good arm pumps. My weight isn't changing. I'm going grocery shopping in a few minutes, gonna stock up big.

Nothing new to report.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I had a good workout. I got a good arm pumps. My weight isn't changing. I'm going grocery shopping in a few minutes, gonna stock up big.

Nothing new to report.
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im on a set budget per week. about 5 months ago i was able to save plenty of money to go out and do whatever....but now...i spend about every penny on groceries. its expensive, but im glad because it gives me an excuse not to go out and get drunk every night like all my friends. and they wonder why they cant/dont look like me...
 
yeah if i were to eat like my friends I would look like a fat piece of ****. People our age eat amazing amounts of ****, I am pretty blunt about it too when i'm talking about diet. Especially the amount of soda people drink, it's just carbonated water with like 50g of sugar, i'll see people drink 4-6 cans a day. No wonder there's so many type II diabetics, some of these people are asking for it.

here's what my receipt looks like
tilapia
ground turkey
ground turkey
6lb protein
chicken patties
blueberries
lowfat cottage cheese
spinach
fatfree milk

i've got plenty of extras, mostly needed meat. I'm getting the food engaged today, ~250g of protein so far but i stay up late so 3 meals to go.
 
UnrealMachine said:
yeah if i were to eat like my friends I would look like a fat piece of ****. People our age eat amazing amounts of ****, I am pretty blunt about it too when i'm talking about diet. Especially the amount of soda people drink, it's just carbonated water with like 50g of sugar, i'll see people drink 4-6 cans a day. No wonder there's so many type II diabetics, some of these people are asking for it.

here's what my receipt looks like
tilapia
ground turkey
ground turkey
6lb protein
chicken patties
blueberries
lowfat cottage cheese
spinach
fatfree milk

i've got plenty of extras, mostly needed meat. I'm getting the food engaged today, ~250g of protein so far but i stay up late so 3 meals to go.
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my "meals" may not be massive, but i get about 7-8 per day lol. meat in every single meal. ground beef, tuna, chicken, canned chicken, eggs, bacon....i dont think ive had ground turkey, it any good?

lowfat or non fat cottage cheese plus a low carb yogurt is an awesome pre bed snack btw
 
I can't stomach ground turkey.. My girl loves it. She eats a few lbs a week, i make her Turkey burgers out of it, and grill em up.

I am so ****ing picky, i end up eating the same 1-2 meals 7 times a day, every day. I hate it..
 
imprezivr6 said:
I am so ****ing picky, i end up eating the same 1-2 meals 7 times a day, every day. I hate it..
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im the same way. i get the exact thing every week from the grocery store. its easier and convenient, but it def gets old eating the same damn thing alllllllllllllll the time
 
nosnmiveins said:
im the same way. i get the exact thing every week from the grocery store. its easier and convenient, but it def gets old eating the same damn thing alllllllllllllll the time
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YUP.. I wish i could stomach fish. I would open up so much more variety for me:(

I eat a TON of sirloin.
 
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