weakestlink
Member
how do you get the half dose? I am using epidrol not epistane.
How to "pulse" orals
- Thread starter DR.D
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thundergod
Well-known member
That's great to hear my brutha!!
I've got another bottle of MDHT in stash ready for an early summer cut. I can't wait. Tren plus MDHT.........ooooh yeah!!!! :evil:
just want to compare it with The ONEbrahmabull
Member
I think you'd still get gains from your cycle. I would probably throw in one more 40 mg day in there during the week. Just make sure to be off SD two days in a row for that week.
liddodragon
New member
One more quick question for TG. W/ this method you gave, how would I work in the smaller dose? Meaning for example 30mg, 20mg pre 10 mg post. Or would it be better to just lets say 30mg-40mg once I've reached that high.
thundergod
Well-known member
Since you're working out so late, I'd forego the post-workout dose. Do it all pre-workout....you'll love the androgenic blast that way!!!! :rocketwhore:
Graglor
Member
My guess, from what I've read, is that if you know 40 or 50 is doable for you then it would be fine. More rest days are probably better then less. Hence "Pulse".
Anyone done this before?
JMO.
bmj
New member
Pulsing with anabolic diet/CKD?
Hey guys, I'm not really considering this but wanted to see if the idea had any merit. So both the anabolic diet and CKD include a weekend carb loading phase where you're supposed to get a glycogen super-reload. In the AD at least, the diet is meant to modulate hormone levels. Basically, eating high amounts of sat fat all week is supposed to increase your test production, and avoiding carbs leads to less insulin and more growth hormone release while also increasing insulin sensitivity. During the carb-up, your GH and test are still supposed to be high but you get this huge insulin surge from eating all the carbs, so the weekend is supposed to be a kind of super anabolic window where all your anabolic hormones are peaking.
What if you threw in some androgens during this period? I generally start my carb-up friday night right after my workout and continue through saturday night. What would happen if I dosed like 10-20mg superdrol right before my friday workout and took another dose saturday morning? The rest of the week I could take a test booster like sustain alpha to get back to normal.
I think this might allow me to eat even more food on the weekend without fear of packing on any fat, and would just enhance the anabolic effect that the diet naturally creates. Also, it would avoid sides associated with a more consistent kind of cycle that I can't really deal with during the week like lethargy.
Lemme know what you guys think, I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.
Hey guys, I'm not really considering this but wanted to see if the idea had any merit. So both the anabolic diet and CKD include a weekend carb loading phase where you're supposed to get a glycogen super-reload. In the AD at least, the diet is meant to modulate hormone levels. Basically, eating high amounts of sat fat all week is supposed to increase your test production, and avoiding carbs leads to less insulin and more growth hormone release while also increasing insulin sensitivity. During the carb-up, your GH and test are still supposed to be high but you get this huge insulin surge from eating all the carbs, so the weekend is supposed to be a kind of super anabolic window where all your anabolic hormones are peaking.
What if you threw in some androgens during this period? I generally start my carb-up friday night right after my workout and continue through saturday night. What would happen if I dosed like 10-20mg superdrol right before my friday workout and took another dose saturday morning? The rest of the week I could take a test booster like sustain alpha to get back to normal.
I think this might allow me to eat even more food on the weekend without fear of packing on any fat, and would just enhance the anabolic effect that the diet naturally creates. Also, it would avoid sides associated with a more consistent kind of cycle that I can't really deal with during the week like lethargy.
Lemme know what you guys think, I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.
bmj
New member
One more thing... I've heard that low carb diets arent ideal while on steroids because your body simple NEEDS more carbs during this time. I hear people say that they have terrible lethargy if they dont eat enough carbs when taking compounds like superdrol. So it kind of makes sense that if you were doing a CKD type diet that carbs and steroids should be taken at the same time.
milwood
Registered User
Very interesing idea! I don't know whether this would work (although the theory seems possible), so I'll wait eagerly to hear what Dr. D and other technical experts hypothesize. I'd say, however, that ultimately, the proof either way would come from someone giving it a real-world try, logging progress accurately, and getting some bloodwork maybe during the cycle and afterwards.
Whether or not the idea proves viable, I commend you on your thought process!
spiderduncan
Active member
I have been contemplating such a scenario. This thread is immense, but I believe that it was mentioned. More specifically, in The Ultimate Diet 2.0, Lyle McDonald provides protocols for fast acting testosterone (testosterone suspension 100-150mg/day) and prohormones (men = 200-300mg worth of diols every 3 hours, women - 100mg worth of diones every 3 hours) (p.65).
Also, I am curious if a 3 on/4 off or 2 on/5 off (dosing) would be more productive than 3 days a week? If such a cycle would more effective, it would appear that cyclical diets would be especially conducive to pulsing.
bmj
New member
Thanks for you responses guys.
Spider, the way I see it, no matter what kind of diet you are on, the 2on/5off scheme might have some advantages over an EOD pulse:
First (although this is based solely on logic rather than data) it seems like 5 days of no substances is plenty of time to fully recover from whatever shutdown, liver damage, or effect on cholesterol levels that are caused by 2 days of dosing, especially if appropriate supplements were used during off days. I think someone could continue on this cycle for very long periods of time, making small, consistent gains without experiencing negative side effects. Do you guys think you would even need a standard PCT at the end of such a cycle?
Second, as I already mentioned, side effects such as lethargy would be confined only to the weekend. This is especially important for me since I'm busy as hell during the week and can't afford to be slowed down by anything when I need to do work.
Third, I think that having a high level of androgens for two full days might have more of an effect than one day at a time in conventional pulsing. I've read that the anabolic reactions that take place after a workout last for about 36 hours. It makes sense that you would benefit more from having a high level of androgens during this entire period. This may partly explain why conventional cycles work better than pulsing as far as how fast they produce gains. I guess that the real question is if you really need to dose more often in order to not lose gains during the off period.
When you add this to a cyclical diet like the AD, I think you would have an even more pronounced effect. Since at the end of your week your insulin sensitivity is at its highest and your body is primed to respond to anabolic hormones, it seems like supplementing androgens with your endogenous hormones along with massive food intake during the carb-loading phase would be ideal.
Very interested to see what some pulsing experts have to say about this.
nightfly71
Active member
I'm sure that'd be a hell of a cutting and strength stack. I've never messed w/ pins and the like, so I'd probably shy away from that, although I've read about guys homebrewing tren transdermals w/ some degree of success. I would maybe go that route w/ an mdht stack, if it were effective.
spiderduncan
Active member
I have yet to pulse. However, I am trying to finalize all details. At present, I am considering a 3 on/4 off pulse with SD utilizing the UD2. Back to your question, more knowledgeable/experience people will offer their opinion, but I would guess you wouldn't need do perform a standard PCT. Of course, I would just to make sure my bases are covered!
True. Also, with such an influx of calories (carbohydrates), one will be fighting lethargy to begin with. When you consider the amount of carbohydrates needed (16g/Kg) to restore depleting glycogen levels combined with a potent substance as SD, how can one NOT grow?
Again, Dr. D did touch on this early when he spoke of different dosing protocols. He mentioned the 3 on/4 off was great for bouncing back and the fact that consecutive days contributed to the prior day's workout.
If you haven't read Lyle's Ultimate Diet 2.0, it is a great read! In short, it is an integrated approach to dieting. After reading and experiencing the diet firsthand, I won't go back to the standard CKD!
Agreed. My main concern about utilizing the UD2 revolves around the fact that the 4 days off are low calorie (almost PSMF). Would a calorie deficit be counter productive to "bouncing back"? I would guess since hyper-caloric diets are recommended for standard PCTs.
Also, does the dose timing on consecutive days really matter much (2/5 or 3/4, on/off)? For example, with EOD or 3 times per week, most recommend doses early in the day or before 6pm to avoid HTPA suppression, but with consecutive days, it does not appear to matter as much because of the consecutive days off. Does it really matter?
T H E O R E M
Member
do you think the BEST method if you workout late, would be the FULL dosage PRE-workout?
ex: im lifting at 7pm
EasyEJL
Never enough
if its something androgenic, yeah, full dose at 6pm. superdrol i'd dose the following morning, its near impossible to work out with 30-40mg of superdrol taken all at once
. plus being nearly non androgenic it never gave me all that much boost in the gym
DR.D
Well-known member
Yes, you have the right idea. Say one wants to w/o M,Tu,W (or any 3 days in a row), start eating big with the Monday pre-w/o carb up, eat big the next 3 days, then finish with the last big one Wed night or Thur morning, then just high pro low carb it till next week. Very efficient way to at least maintain strength (if not gain) while steady losing fat on a pulse.
liddodragon
New member
if its something androgenic, yeah, full dose at 6pm. superdrol i'd dose the following morning, its near impossible to work out with 30-40mg of superdrol taken all at once
Epistane would fall under that I would assume. So lets say you are up to 30-40 mg take 20mg pre workout and then the rest the following morning?
EasyEJL
Never enough
i'd take it all morning. or take it all at once at whatever time. could even take 20mg 4 hrs preworkout, the rest 1 hr i guess. I lean towards thinking its more about food intake than the workout itself
Lene28
New member
Dr. D and anyone else please critique my pulse, any changes or advice are welcome!
4x a week M,Tues, Th, Fri
1-on/ Epistane
2-on/ Epistane
3- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
4-on/ Epistane
5-on/ Epistane
6- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
7- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
Week-Dose of Epistane(mg)
1 (10,20,30,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon/1 P/W), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
8 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
9 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
10 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am)ATD 25mg, ZMA
4x a week M,Tues, Th, Fri
1-on/ Epistane
2-on/ Epistane
3- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
4-on/ Epistane
5-on/ Epistane
6- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
7- off/ Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon) and ATD(25mg)
Week-Dose of Epistane(mg)
1 (10,20,30,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon/1 P/W), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
8 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
9 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am/ 1 mid afternoon), Cycle Support, ATD 50mg, ZMA
10 Post Cycle Support, Retain 2(1 am)ATD 25mg, ZMA
hman85
Well-known member
Looks pretty good to me. Don't be afraid to up it after the gains slow. Epistane is very mild 40 should be getting to the sweet spot.
Ninjo
Well-known member
I've been considering pulsing EPI for two days on, five days off while using the UD 2.0. I would dose 40mg on the first full day of the carb up and 40mg the following day (i.e. 20mg before, and 20mg after, the "Power training" workout). That's only 80mg per week which means that sides should be mild to non-existant. I'm thinking it would work very well as you hypothesize Spider to maintain/build LBM while shedding some bodyfat; great minds think alike. I'd like to use SD but am too weary about the impact on HDL even at two days per week.
On off days, I'll probably run some original DS Lean Xtreme for cortisol control and a 6-bromo based AI although I believe the good doc did mention elsewhere in this thread that low dose ATD would also work quite well on off days. I can't help but wonder if formestane might also be effective as an AI on off days, although I do realize that it may slightly contribute to shutdown so perhaps it's not the best idea.
I'm planning to start first of April so I'll let everyone know how it turns out if I end up giving it a go.
spiderduncan
Active member
Agreed. The M drol I have will expire soon, so I will use that up before I moved on to Epi. That, and I just react way to well too SD to pass it up. I originally thought about a 2/5 pulse, but have heard a lot of favorable stories of guys pulse 3 times (MWF) a week with 20mg...so I theorized that 3 consecutive days of 20mg with 4 off would provide a greater bounce back than the MWF/3x per week approach. Ultimately, time will tell.
During my off days, I will be using the newer Lean Xtreme and Sustain Alpha. If you haven't read much about Sustain Alpha by PP, it appears to have a natural compound that mimics the function of HCG. This, in my opinion seems to be a great addition to any pulse!
I have also been wondering, if clomid could be integrated in a 3on/4off approach.? Presently, I am thinking that 100mg on the evening of the 3rd consecutive day would help with bouncing back. Dr. D, what are you thoughts about integrating clomid with an SD pulse 3on/4off?
April sounds like a great month. If everything goes according to plan I will be pulsing about mid april! If you log your pulse/UD2 let me know! Maybe I will do the same?!
Lastly, my main concern right now is the timing of off days with low calories! After all, most standard PCT rules state, "hyper caloric diets are imperative during PCT!"
Dr. D, do you think that the timing of low calorie/carb with off days would inhibit a return to hormonal homeostasis?
djremix
Active member
im actually thinking a EOD pulse of epi at 20mg(or SD at 10mg) and winstrol at 10mg taken at 6pm
i train at 8pm usually.
with 2 days off after the 3rd day pulsing.
primordial toco-8 all the way through to maintain testicular sensitivity
aswell as sustain alpha every 3 days in the morning.
and the kicker....
ill be running prime at normal dosing all through out (with 2 days off coinciding with the 3 days off from the pulse) alongside usp labs TNA at 1 cap per day thoughout(consists of a divanil extract and some saponins-a lot more powerfull than activate imo)
objective : in theory, to give myself a little push without affecting my hpta too much, and hopefully the time off with PP's products will aid in enhancing the "rebounding effect" of my natural test production, enough each time to withstand the pulsing and maintain an enhanced anabolic state without the suppression effects.
libido should be through the roof aswell
thoughts? ;-)
i train at 8pm usually.
with 2 days off after the 3rd day pulsing.
primordial toco-8 all the way through to maintain testicular sensitivity
aswell as sustain alpha every 3 days in the morning.
and the kicker....
ill be running prime at normal dosing all through out (with 2 days off coinciding with the 3 days off from the pulse) alongside usp labs TNA at 1 cap per day thoughout(consists of a divanil extract and some saponins-a lot more powerfull than activate imo)
objective : in theory, to give myself a little push without affecting my hpta too much, and hopefully the time off with PP's products will aid in enhancing the "rebounding effect" of my natural test production, enough each time to withstand the pulsing and maintain an enhanced anabolic state without the suppression effects.
libido should be through the roof aswell
thoughts? ;-)
Irish Pilot
Member
Ill contribute to the madness...
Bear with me here. Im considering a Havoc pulse and could use some local wisdom in regards to scheduling my planned supplementation.
I usually work a 4 day split in the early am: 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off (starts on a tues.) Here is what I wanted to encorporate:
Havoc
Cycle Support
Post Cycle Support
Reversitol
Based on the other threads and journals Ive read, it sounds like post cycle support in the am/pm on the off days would be appropriate...and cycle support each day (with two weeks prior and during the post cycle). Ill also be supplementing with taurine and potassium, and creatine during pct.
Does this sound accurate?
Would I just incorporate Reversitol into the PCT?
What would be the optimal amount of weeks on to pulse?
Many thanks for your patience and any insight.
Irish
Bear with me here. Im considering a Havoc pulse and could use some local wisdom in regards to scheduling my planned supplementation.
I usually work a 4 day split in the early am: 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off (starts on a tues.) Here is what I wanted to encorporate:
Havoc
Cycle Support
Post Cycle Support
Reversitol
Based on the other threads and journals Ive read, it sounds like post cycle support in the am/pm on the off days would be appropriate...and cycle support each day (with two weeks prior and during the post cycle). Ill also be supplementing with taurine and potassium, and creatine during pct.
Does this sound accurate?
Would I just incorporate Reversitol into the PCT?
What would be the optimal amount of weeks on to pulse?
Many thanks for your patience and any insight.
Irish
spiderduncan
Active member
From what I have gathered in this thread, a product like Cycle Support might not be necessary. Furthermore, some have suggested milk thistle (a component of CS) only on off days due its inhibiting effects upon the hormone of choice (Epi, SD etc.).
Reversitol and PCS seem like overkill. Personally, I would use one or the other. I believe Dr.D has mentioned Bromo being the best choice, which would single out Reversitol.
Duration has many contributing factors...
How much are you taking on your on days?
What has been your experience with PH/DS?
Irish Pilot
Member
First timer. Just rounding off my prior research. Im not quite clear how much would be on on days...no more than 40 I would think. I dont mind "overkill" if it still functions as protection per se.
DR.D
Well-known member
Just one day a week (the first day or the last day of 3 consecutive) might have some merits. If you try it, please let us know your thoughts on the results.
It might but it's hard to say because people can respond very differently in such scenarios. I think not getting adequate amounts of the right fats every day is a big limiter in these cases, more so than carbs or general caloric deprivation.
spiderduncan
Active member
What types of fats do you think would be beneficial?
pacos
New member
Please take a look at my epi pulse and let me know if this is sufficient...starting soon.
MWF
10/10/20
20/30/30
40/40/40
40/40/40
20/20/20
ON days...cycle support, flax, animal pak
off days...anti cort, cycle support, flax, animal pak, AX(as directed)
Post Cycle-PCS + continuing w/AX as directed
Pretty sure I have my bases covered,
MWF
10/10/20
20/30/30
40/40/40
40/40/40
20/20/20
ON days...cycle support, flax, animal pak
off days...anti cort, cycle support, flax, animal pak, AX(as directed)
Post Cycle-PCS + continuing w/AX as directed
Pretty sure I have my bases covered,
hman85
Well-known member
Looks good but there is no point in tapering down at the end of the cycle. Also what is the AX?
spiderduncan
Active member
pacos
New member
^Activate Xtreme.
correct.
thanks for the quick reply guys...i appreciate it!!
spiderduncan
Active member
I would only take CS on OFF days. Milk thistle may be counter productive with the designer of choice. If you are concerned about BP or Lipids, you could buy some celery seed or hawthorn berry to take on you ON days.
brahmabull
Member
Has anyone tried to pulse spawn. I got a bottle of it and am ready to do a cycle in here shortly. The epi in there is only 8 mgs. per cap but, has 30 mg of 19 nor in it. The max dose the company recommends is 2 caps in 24 hours. Should I just pulse the max dose they recommend or get another bottle of epi and stack it where my epi dosage is higher than 16 mgs per dose day.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I'd think 3 caps for on days as a pulse wouldnt be bad, other than maybe some prolactin rebound which isn't so good. other supplement companies sell 19-nor products with that as their daily label dosage
pacos
New member
i ate a peanut butter sandwich about an hour prior to working out. i took Animal Pump about 30 min before my workout. Nothing out of the ordinary. could have just been sinus pressure. Probably just coincidental, but wanted to double check. Thanks!
pacos
New member
Andreo
New member
Such awesome info on this one thread, you guys are the best! I feel like I'm in a secret society, which I guess in some ways, we actually are.
So, after following this thread for the better part of 8 months, and practically memorizing all the differnt approches to this method, I gave this a try:
Pulse cycled dbol, 5 mg tabs, from thai dispensary (aka 'the pinks')
Began on Monday, Jan 26th, I wanted to wait until after going out to see Royal Rumble lol
Monday, Jan 26, - 15 mg
T " 27, -15 mg
W " 28, - 25mg
TH " 29, - 25mg
Fri - off
Sat - off
Sun - off
Monday Feb 2, - 20mg
T, " 3, - 25 mg
W, " 4, - 30mg
TH, " 5, - 30mg
Fri- off
Sat- off
Sun - off
monday Feb 9, - 30mg
T, " 10, - 35mg
W, " 11 - 35mg
TH " 12 - 30mg
Fri Feb 13 onwards off.
On the off days Tribulus was supplemented @ 1000 mg per day, and as of the 13th of Feb used daily, however I had no noticable increase in strenght or any other symptoms or effects, good or bad. Cardio was mondays, trained my back/biceps on tuesdays, triceps and chest thursdays as I normally do, no noticable improvements...
Did I administer this long enough or is it possible my gear is bunk??
I'm not at all discouraged just sharing this little bit so far, I may try it again in a month or so.
Thanks for reading!
So, after following this thread for the better part of 8 months, and practically memorizing all the differnt approches to this method, I gave this a try:
Pulse cycled dbol, 5 mg tabs, from thai dispensary (aka 'the pinks')
Began on Monday, Jan 26th, I wanted to wait until after going out to see Royal Rumble lol
Monday, Jan 26, - 15 mg
T " 27, -15 mg
W " 28, - 25mg
TH " 29, - 25mg
Fri - off
Sat - off
Sun - off
Monday Feb 2, - 20mg
T, " 3, - 25 mg
W, " 4, - 30mg
TH, " 5, - 30mg
Fri- off
Sat- off
Sun - off
monday Feb 9, - 30mg
T, " 10, - 35mg
W, " 11 - 35mg
TH " 12 - 30mg
Fri Feb 13 onwards off.
On the off days Tribulus was supplemented @ 1000 mg per day, and as of the 13th of Feb used daily, however I had no noticable increase in strenght or any other symptoms or effects, good or bad. Cardio was mondays, trained my back/biceps on tuesdays, triceps and chest thursdays as I normally do, no noticable improvements...
Did I administer this long enough or is it possible my gear is bunk??
I'm not at all discouraged just sharing this little bit so far, I may try it again in a month or so.
Thanks for reading!
spiderduncan
Active member
First, you log/record of dosages looks great!
Second, have you used Dbol before? Were you able to get your BF tested pre/post?
Andreo
New member
Thanks man! This is the first time with Dbol, and roids in general. I didn't get my BF tested however, just liver and cholestrol levels before hand to be shure it was safe to try. I guess in the future its good to have as an indicator the stuff is working, lol
Andreo
New member
Yeah thats what I think too. :rippedhand:
That must be the case because honestly, this tribulous regiment IS noticable!! I get daily morning piss-woodys now, a bit annoying but great! And I did see an improvement today with weight tolerance and successful reps
Ninjo
Well-known member
I've been taking 2000mg/day (i.e. 1000mg AM/1000mg PM) of niacin for a few weeks to try to increase my HDL. I'm considering pulsing 20mg Superdrol on Saturday and Sunday while utilizing an Ultimate Diet 2.0 protocol starting in April. I'm wondering if I can continue dosing the niacin Monday to Friday while taking SD on the weekends. The obvious concern is the toll on liver values as both SD and niacin are toxic to the liver although I'm not certain that 2000mg of niacin per day is approaching toxic levels.
Dr. D (and anyone else), do you think the above would be a good idea? I figure that if it's not overly harsh on the liver, it may be an effective way to minimize the decrease in HDL that SD is known for. All replies are appreciated.
Dr. D (and anyone else), do you think the above would be a good idea? I figure that if it's not overly harsh on the liver, it may be an effective way to minimize the decrease in HDL that SD is known for. All replies are appreciated.
Graglor
Member
Bump!!
I've been wondering this as well. Read on dozens of sites that it is liver toxic, and also read that the niacin flush is a healthy thing with no risks on other sites. Frustrating, cause I like niacin but stopped using it since I started Epidrol.
ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW THE TRUTH?
DR.D
Well-known member
That sounds like a lot of niacin! I don't think I could tolerate the flushing so I don't think I'd be comfortable exceeding 0.5g/day of controlled-release or 1.0g regular nicotinic acid divided up. I don't have data or personal bloodwork to support this gut feeling, but I tend to think conservative until I learn otherwise. Using synergistic principals can reduce the doses needed of some ingredients like niacin to exploit it's benefit without flirting with it's potential toxicity. Maybe adding some phytosterols to your stack proposal would allow an equally effective LDL result with half the niacin, plus save your liver some potential stress while adding some test supporting effects too. Green tea might be another consideration. It's all about synergy.
Ninjo
Well-known member
For what it's worth, it's the regular nicotinic acid that I've been taking ever since I found out in early February that my HDL was only 33. And as far as the flushing side effect is concerned, it was pretty bad the first couple of nights when I was just taking 500mg to see how I'd react. Over time however, even as I progressively increased the daily dose by 500mg every few days, the flushing effect virtually disappeared. Funny how our bodies get used to stuff. On several occasions, I experimented with taking 325mg of ASA in advance of dosing the niacin and that helped. As well, I eventually found that taking it with a meal really helped minimize the flushing.
What I've read about niacin is that in order to have the beneficial effect on HDL, a therapeutic dose of 2000 - 3000mg per day needs to be reached. I've also had some discussions with local pharmacists that claim that liver toxicity is rare in daily doses under 6000mg/day! Now, that assumes no pre-existing liver condition and the use of regular niacin as opposed to the time-released or flush-free versions which tend to increase the risk of hepatotoxicity.
Back to pulsing, it was just a theory that if taking Superdrol, it might help keep HDL from dipping too low. Your point about synergy is well taken though. I will look into the phytosterols if I decide to use SD (as opposed to something milder like EPI) and as far as green tea extract is concerned, it is already a staple of mine.