KgTomCat
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Do You Have A Band-Aid? KgTomCat's CUT Log
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TimberLakers
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faaipdeoiad
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so i wish id stumbled on this thread earlier, im pretty amused. in any case i feel like i coulda helped at least a little in ur planning stages. i ran some 11oxo about a year ago and im curently on a havoc/ furazadrol cycle (have a log running somewhere). i dont have much good to say about the 11 but i guess its irrelevant to u now.
as for the furaz if ur just starting i would say ramp the dose up. im running a 5 week cycle and im going at 200/250/250/300/300. if i had more cash id do 4 weeks at 300, bnut i got 3 bottles as it is at 55 bucks apiece =(. since ur running it pretty much solo and ur similar stats to mine id say go around 250/300 mg a day. im still waiting to see some results but im hoping it pays off. btw stay hydrated too, ur gonna piss a ton
as for the furaz if ur just starting i would say ramp the dose up. im running a 5 week cycle and im going at 200/250/250/300/300. if i had more cash id do 4 weeks at 300, bnut i got 3 bottles as it is at 55 bucks apiece =(. since ur running it pretty much solo and ur similar stats to mine id say go around 250/300 mg a day. im still waiting to see some results but im hoping it pays off. btw stay hydrated too, ur gonna piss a ton
Australian made
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MOD EDIT: Bye, have a nice day.
KgTomCat
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its never too late man, bring on your experience and what not...Im doing FURAGUNO, not furazadrol. they're pretty much the same compound but furaguno isnt methylated, and there is NO way im going to run it at 250. it comes in doses of 33mg, the prefered dose is 99mg ED (3 ED), im going to start out at 2 ED for the first week. Im doing the 11OXO for about 3 weeks solo then bridging the furaguno with it, stacking those for 3-4 weeks, then just doing the furaguno solo for 3-4 weeks, also doing Lipo6X and maybe some Recreate, PCT will be Novadex XT and some Tribulus
KgTomCat
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sorry, confused furazabol with furazadrol :notworthy:
higher than 100mg...:yes(1):
faaipdeoiad
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yea i figured they were the same, but im not sure why yours would be dosed at only 33mg if they are. the furazadrol i have is 50mg a pill and its supposed to be very underdosed. im running it at 300 for my last 2 weeks. im not sure if ur still gonna grab all the things u initially mentioned but id reccommend dcp. tried tons of different fatburners and its the only one if noticed results on. i havent seen anything that would prohibit it from being stacked with the furaz/feraguno. im gonna add it in to my stack starting next week with sesamin, maybe napalm the week after if my bf drops enough. im curious to see how itl work for u solo, il keep checking up
GMG760
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Feraguno is dosed at 33 mg a tab.
KgTomCat
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many say it underdosed
KgTomCat
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found this too.... :/
Furaguno, Receptors, and Cholesterol
Q: What do you think of Furaguno? It is supposed to build muscle, improve cholesterol, and increase the potency of other steroids at the same time.
A: Furaguno (5alpha- androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17beta-tetrahydropyranol) is an interesting new designer anabolic steroid, which is structurally similar to an old and no longer available Japanese steroid called furazabol.
Furazabol (formerly sold under the trade name Miotolan) was rarely seen outside of Japan even when it was still being manufactured, and subsequently has been the subject of a great deal of speculation over the years. What is known to be true is that furazabol is a fairly potent oral anabolic steroid, with properties somewhat similar to its close cousin Winstrol (stanozolol). It is only mildly androgenic, and as a result is much less likely to produce or aggravate side effects like acne, body/facial hair growth, prostate enlargement, or male pattern hair loss (when taken in reasonable doses) compared to more androgenic agents such as testosterone, Dianabol, or Anadrol. Furaguno is a non-methylated derivative of furazabol, and as a result may share certain functional characteristics to this agent. It must be emphasized, however, that Furaguno is a new chemical entity in its own right, and no scientific evaluation of its properties has ever been made. What I can tell you about it is based entirely on careful speculation and empirical evidence
Furazabol and our new Furaguno seem to share some beneficial traits, including a high ratio of anabolic to androgenic effect. The overall mass gains noticed should be mild but “quality”, with minimal androgenic side effects. There is also no estrogenic effect to worry about with either drug, as aromatization is not possible in both cases. A comparison between the two drugs on this level seems reasonable. But Furaguno is also being widely compared to furazabol in another very important, and possibly dangerous, regard. It is being said that like furazabol, this new designer steroid lowers cholesterol and improves cardiovascular disease risk. An exact quote taken from product marketing is as follows, “FURAGUNO may be helpful in reducing cholesterol levels and could possibly play a preventive role with certain cardiovascular issues”. It is very important to make sure you know that this is actually not true. I am not necessarily going to fault the manufacturer for stating this. I can see where the information is coming from. It is based on a popular misconception about furazabol lowering cholesterol. And if furaguno is structurally similar to furazabol, it too must lower cholesterol, no?
Here is the problem. Furazabol was the subject of a series of investigations during the mid 1970’s, some reporting that the drug lowered serum cholesterol. Similar results were shown with other oral steroids around the same time, including the popular American steroid Anavar. It was soon established, however, that any lowering of total serum cholesterol with oral anabolic steroids was usually the result of suppressed HDL (good) cholesterol. It is now widely understood, of course, that ratio of good to bad cholesterol is generally more important to heart disease risk than total cholesterol. It is also firmly established that oral steroids tend to be particularly potent at increasing cardiovascular disease risk due to an altering of the hepatic management of cholesterol, shifting the HDL/LDL ratio in the wrong direction. The problem with furazabol is, it is hard to find modern studies on the drug showing its effects on HDL/LDL levels like we have with Anavar. The steroid-sleuths of modern day are left with an information gap. Upon investigation, one only finds these seemingly positive reports about lowering cholesterol. The myth of furazabol improving cholesterol was born, and unfortunately persists today.
The cholesterol-lowering myth about furazabol was much less dangerous when the drug was widely unavailable. You couldn’t find it, so it was simply a little bit of inaccurate information. But things have a way of changing, and today underground furazabol is making a comeback. Plus, we now have this “grey market” analog being sold with similar claims. I must emphasize again that they aren’t true. Furazabol use is expected to increase cardiovascular disease risk, not improve it. While Furaguno may be less potent in this regard due to the lack of c-17 methylation, it is likely to have a noticeable effect here. Expect that its use will result in a measurable suppression of HDL cholesterol levels, which may be accompanied by relatively stable or even elevated LDL (bad) cholesterol. Proceed with the same respect you would give other oral steroids, and most certainly do not take this if you have high cholesterol and are looking for an improvement.
As you mentioned, Furaguno is also said to have a unique potency toward increasing androgen receptor density, suggesting it can be used to intensify the anabolic effects of other steroids. This appears to be another strong marketing point. Such action, however, cannot be substantiated by the literature. Any effect its analog furazabol has on androgen receptor density likely mimics those of other anabolic steroids, which may include some period of upregulation. In other words, there is nothing unique. Overall, I expect this drug will perform very similar to the other commercially available heterocyclic “prosteroid”, Prostanozol. It should be a mild to moderately effective anabolic in sufficient doses, with low relative androgenicity. It should present minimal liver toxicity, but will in all probability negatively alter cholesterol levels. This may present an increased risk for cardiovascular disease, especially if used for prolonged periods. Nothing magic, but it should at the most fundamental level work, which is what most buyers are looking for anyway.
Furaguno, Receptors, and Cholesterol
Q: What do you think of Furaguno? It is supposed to build muscle, improve cholesterol, and increase the potency of other steroids at the same time.
A: Furaguno (5alpha- androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17beta-tetrahydropyranol) is an interesting new designer anabolic steroid, which is structurally similar to an old and no longer available Japanese steroid called furazabol.
Furazabol (formerly sold under the trade name Miotolan) was rarely seen outside of Japan even when it was still being manufactured, and subsequently has been the subject of a great deal of speculation over the years. What is known to be true is that furazabol is a fairly potent oral anabolic steroid, with properties somewhat similar to its close cousin Winstrol (stanozolol). It is only mildly androgenic, and as a result is much less likely to produce or aggravate side effects like acne, body/facial hair growth, prostate enlargement, or male pattern hair loss (when taken in reasonable doses) compared to more androgenic agents such as testosterone, Dianabol, or Anadrol. Furaguno is a non-methylated derivative of furazabol, and as a result may share certain functional characteristics to this agent. It must be emphasized, however, that Furaguno is a new chemical entity in its own right, and no scientific evaluation of its properties has ever been made. What I can tell you about it is based entirely on careful speculation and empirical evidence
Furazabol and our new Furaguno seem to share some beneficial traits, including a high ratio of anabolic to androgenic effect. The overall mass gains noticed should be mild but “quality”, with minimal androgenic side effects. There is also no estrogenic effect to worry about with either drug, as aromatization is not possible in both cases. A comparison between the two drugs on this level seems reasonable. But Furaguno is also being widely compared to furazabol in another very important, and possibly dangerous, regard. It is being said that like furazabol, this new designer steroid lowers cholesterol and improves cardiovascular disease risk. An exact quote taken from product marketing is as follows, “FURAGUNO may be helpful in reducing cholesterol levels and could possibly play a preventive role with certain cardiovascular issues”. It is very important to make sure you know that this is actually not true. I am not necessarily going to fault the manufacturer for stating this. I can see where the information is coming from. It is based on a popular misconception about furazabol lowering cholesterol. And if furaguno is structurally similar to furazabol, it too must lower cholesterol, no?
Here is the problem. Furazabol was the subject of a series of investigations during the mid 1970’s, some reporting that the drug lowered serum cholesterol. Similar results were shown with other oral steroids around the same time, including the popular American steroid Anavar. It was soon established, however, that any lowering of total serum cholesterol with oral anabolic steroids was usually the result of suppressed HDL (good) cholesterol. It is now widely understood, of course, that ratio of good to bad cholesterol is generally more important to heart disease risk than total cholesterol. It is also firmly established that oral steroids tend to be particularly potent at increasing cardiovascular disease risk due to an altering of the hepatic management of cholesterol, shifting the HDL/LDL ratio in the wrong direction. The problem with furazabol is, it is hard to find modern studies on the drug showing its effects on HDL/LDL levels like we have with Anavar. The steroid-sleuths of modern day are left with an information gap. Upon investigation, one only finds these seemingly positive reports about lowering cholesterol. The myth of furazabol improving cholesterol was born, and unfortunately persists today.
The cholesterol-lowering myth about furazabol was much less dangerous when the drug was widely unavailable. You couldn’t find it, so it was simply a little bit of inaccurate information. But things have a way of changing, and today underground furazabol is making a comeback. Plus, we now have this “grey market” analog being sold with similar claims. I must emphasize again that they aren’t true. Furazabol use is expected to increase cardiovascular disease risk, not improve it. While Furaguno may be less potent in this regard due to the lack of c-17 methylation, it is likely to have a noticeable effect here. Expect that its use will result in a measurable suppression of HDL cholesterol levels, which may be accompanied by relatively stable or even elevated LDL (bad) cholesterol. Proceed with the same respect you would give other oral steroids, and most certainly do not take this if you have high cholesterol and are looking for an improvement.
As you mentioned, Furaguno is also said to have a unique potency toward increasing androgen receptor density, suggesting it can be used to intensify the anabolic effects of other steroids. This appears to be another strong marketing point. Such action, however, cannot be substantiated by the literature. Any effect its analog furazabol has on androgen receptor density likely mimics those of other anabolic steroids, which may include some period of upregulation. In other words, there is nothing unique. Overall, I expect this drug will perform very similar to the other commercially available heterocyclic “prosteroid”, Prostanozol. It should be a mild to moderately effective anabolic in sufficient doses, with low relative androgenicity. It should present minimal liver toxicity, but will in all probability negatively alter cholesterol levels. This may present an increased risk for cardiovascular disease, especially if used for prolonged periods. Nothing magic, but it should at the most fundamental level work, which is what most buyers are looking for anyway.
faaipdeoiad
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that kinda sucks then, i needed 3 bottles just to run a cycle and it still might be a little low, how many are u planning on getting?
faaipdeoiad
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As you mentioned, Furaguno is also said to have a unique potency toward increasing androgen receptor density, suggesting it can be used to intensify the anabolic effects of other steroids.
wow i hadnt seen that before. thats good to know, i might hold off on increasing my dose of havoc for a bit then
wow i hadnt seen that before. thats good to know, i might hold off on increasing my dose of havoc for a bit then
GMG760
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That is what I hear. I don't think I am gonna be going over 200mg, but I am gonna be running plenty of other stuff to make-up for if it is underdosed.
GMG760
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I start a week from today on my next cycle, but I am always growing!!! That's the point isn't it?!
KgTomCat
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:yes(1):
KgTomCat
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i suppose you may want to keep it low if stacked with something that will bring on big gains (Havoc, Epi, Mdrol...maybe even Hdrol) but my sole purpose of using it is to drop BF, im not looking to gain any more size, losing fat is my main goal with this cycle
KgTomCat
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today has been good so far, fasted morning cardio was great, did 30 min of HIIT on stationary bike, legs were on fire. Had 1/2 cup of oatmeal, 1 scoop of whey, 1 apple for post cardio/breakfast, then for lunch had chicken with broccoli with a glass of skim milk...then my friend surprised me with a cake, I only had 2 pieces (I know T-Lake 
)...felt guilty. went home took a nap, then hit the gym HARD...chest, abs, and 20 min HIIT cardio. Now Im having 50g whey with 3 rice cakes & jelly and a banana, might go do some cardio before bed, but dont count on it
)...felt guilty. went home took a nap, then hit the gym HARD...chest, abs, and 20 min HIIT cardio. Now Im having 50g whey with 3 rice cakes & jelly and a banana, might go do some cardio before bed, but dont count on it
TimberLakers
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:lol: CAKE?!?!?
And you had to have SECONDS!?!!
KG... You love to push me to the edge. If we were workout partners, you'd likely get about 6 :slap: per diem.
And you had to have SECONDS!?!!
KG... You love to push me to the edge. If we were workout partners, you'd likely get about 6 :slap: per diem.
faaipdeoiad
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yea im running it with havoc, im not really looking to gain any more either though. just tryin to drop a couple more % of bodyfat without losing size. im curious to see how it does by itself though, its fairly mild so it might be worthwhile just for a normal cut
KgTomCat
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wheres your log?
I see your in South CA, what part?
faaipdeoiad
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im in orange county, u from around here?
im in orange county, u from around here?
KgTomCat
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nope, GMG is...but I love Cali
KgTomCat
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Just got back from morning cardio...I knew I was going to do 30 min stair climber, which usually kills me, but I had 2 scoops of whey and 2 Lipo6X before my cardio, I noticed I wasn't as fatigued as I usually am...does that still count as fasted or not? (the calories from the whey...)
GMG760
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Right on brotha, I live in Oceanside... just a little south of ya.
GMG760
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Your body will burn the protein as energy. Fasted means nada in your stomach. Maybe some BCAAs in your water, and that is just to keep you anabolic.
KgTomCat
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the only BCAA's I have right now is caps
just had a muscle milk (330 cals, 16g fat, 14g carbs, 32g protein) will have 2 Lipo6X at 3:30 then at 4 have some carbs for pre WO (oatmeal) and 2 11OXO, NO Shotgun, then lift around 5-5:30
TimberLakers
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the only BCAA's I have right now is caps
just had a muscle milk (330 cals, 16g fat, 14g carbs, 32g protein) will have 2 Lipo6X at 3:30 then at 4 have some carbs for pre WO (oatmeal) and 2 11OXO, NO Shotgun, then lift around 5-5:30
Caps are fine. Take those with water immediately beforehand, then sip on some calorie free drink, or some water while you work out.
TimberLakers
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Ill stick to H2O
Also, some of those caps are time release - some are just simple gelatin caps. Dose accordingly.
KgTomCat
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well, they're not caps, pills/tabs, sorry for the confusion
TimberLakers
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They should still dissolve pretty fast.
carib102
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Low carb is definitely not easy Tom, but once you're used to it it's not bad. Just keep up the willpower for a couple weeks and you should be good to go. Veggies are no problem anytime and if you need to carb up then oatmeal or brown rice is a good choice. When I start dropping carbs I usually have to approach it one day at a time, but after two weeks or so I get in the groove. You can do it mayne, just keep thinking of the cuts and definition you'll have.
GMG760
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Slow and steady Tom.
Eat your carbs in the morning through maybe 4PM, and try to go to bed earlier.
I get my really bad carb-munchies around 10PM. I've been going to bed around 10:30-11:00 lately, and have been doing well without the carbs. If I stay up till midnight, I am almost sure to have a snack. Those snacks add up eventually.
Eat your carbs in the morning through maybe 4PM, and try to go to bed earlier.
I get my really bad carb-munchies around 10PM. I've been going to bed around 10:30-11:00 lately, and have been doing well without the carbs. If I stay up till midnight, I am almost sure to have a snack. Those snacks add up eventually.
Silver3CSRT8
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When I was a real fat ass at 265lbs the Atkins craze was in full effect. I actually stayed on the Atkins diet for 6+ months and dropped from 265 to 205. I fluctuated back up and remained between 210 - 220 after getting off the diet though. I don't think I could do a Keto diet again though. I will need to figure out something in the next month or so to drop quite a bit of bf% though.
faaipdeoiad
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ohh **** thats cool, yea a friend of mine just moved there
faaipdeoiad
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about how many carbs do u usually take in in a day?
im trying carb cycling but i tend to spend most of my days on the high carb end of the spectrum (200-300) than on the lower one, trying to find a new approach
im trying carb cycling but i tend to spend most of my days on the high carb end of the spectrum (200-300) than on the lower one, trying to find a new approach
carib102
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:goodpost:
KgTomCat
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most of my carbs come in the morning, which is oatmeal (30-40g) and pre WO (30-40g) thats about it
faaipdeoiad
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oh ok, yea i try to do about the same plus a postworkout carb meal, but i kinda spread them out throughout the day until my lift. hows this working out for u? i tend to eat about 250 or so on a typical lift day (cardio/off days i try to keep it around 100) last time i went too low carb my energy was affected too much, i figure the cycle might keep it in check though