Bad Batch Possibility P-Plex 071508

monsterbox

monsterbox

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Ive been on this batch for 2 weeks after a cut and I'm bulking heavily. So far I've lost 2lbs and gained it back, by eating 5k calories/day from stopping my creatine while starting this cycle.

No weight gain,
No pumps,
No sweating,
No blood pressure raise
No strength
I feel like I just switched to a new creatine.

I'm definitely a responder to orals, I've put on 30lbs+ this year using of Havoc of LBM.

Nothing except maybe some vascularity. Might as well be sugar pills. Only side I noticed was anxiety and I believe that was from using too much vitex and l-dopa.

2-3 other have reported these same things....

CEL guys have any feedback on this please?

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monsterbox said:
Ive been on this batch for 2 weeks after a cut and I'm bulking heavily. So far I've lost 2lbs and gained it back, by eating 5k calories/day from stopping my creatine while starting this cycle.

No weight gain,
No pumps,
No sweating,
No blood pressure raise
No strength
I feel like I just switched to a new creatine.

I'm definitely a responder to orals, I've put on 30lbs+ this year using of Havoc of LBM.

Nothing except maybe some vascularity. Might as well be sugar pills. Only side I noticed was anxiety and I believe that was from using too much vitex and l-dopa.

2-3 other have reported these same things....

CEL guys have any feedback on this please?

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Hmmmmm, something isnt right here... After 2 weeks u should notice something.
 
maybe your receptors are "clogged" you've gained 30lbs already this year. Although even without weight gain i would expect strength gains so something is off. I mean i never gain weight on plex and i've used the orginal but always had good pumps and strength.

but on the other side i've also had cycles where s-drol didn't kick in for what seemed like 3 weeks and cycles where it kicked in in like 4 days. Same bottle so who knows
 
mixedup said:
maybe your receptors are "clogged" you've gained 30lbs already this year. Although even without weight gain i would expect strength gains so something is off. I mean i never gain weight on plex and i've used the orginal but always had good pumps and strength.
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receptors clogged from 2 28 days or less, cycles that were spread out over 3 months of something mild with no adrogenity like havoc and full pcts?

I should notice something...at least acne/hardness.
 
monsterbox said:
receptors clogged from 2 28 days or less, cycles that were spread out over 3 months of something mild with no adrogenity like havoc and full pcts?

I should notice something...at least acne/hardness.
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as far as I know pct does upregulate receptors only gets you producing test on your own again. as I said in other post everybody is different so yes receptor saturation could be the issue, you could be a non responder. or a batch could be off any number of reasons. Your body could even have hit a "set weight" that is going to take alot more to blast through. to tell for sure if it's not working you need to get some blood tests to see where your test production in at. Or quit now save what you have and go back to havoc since that has been so good to you
 
i mean I could have reached a set weight...but I eat like a machine..way more cals than I need, and i'm starting to get some fat.

My sex drive is always through the roof along with energy. My strength is rising on its own, but on a slow pace. I know its something to do with non-responding or bad batch...its certainly not low test
 
monsterbox said:
i mean I could have reached a set weight...but I eat like a machine..way more cals than I need, and i'm starting to get some fat.

My sex drive is always through the roof along with energy. My strength is rising on its own, but on a slow pace. I know its something to do with non-responding or bad batch...its certainly not low test
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yeah it always sucks when you dont' respond to a compound if the batch is bad i'm sure CEL will handle it they were taking care of peopel with the bad
m1,4ad batch from months ago just recently
 
I just wrote a messege to the "Contact Us" section on the CEL website. Hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this soon. In the mean time, Ill probably order some M-drol or the original SD DS.
 
monsterbox said:
something mild with no adrogenity like havoc and full pcts?.
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Androgenity= not a word.

Maybe the fact that all the muscle you've put on to your frame has been in the last year, and 3/4 due to steroids, is keeping you from responding appropriately to p-plex.
 
monsterbox said:
receptors clogged from 2 28 days or less, cycles that were spread out over 3 months of something mild with no adrogenity like havoc and full pcts?

I should notice something...at least acne/hardness.
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so one cycle, one month pct, another cycle? receptors could very well be dirty.
 
suncloud said:
so one cycle, one month pct, another cycle? receptors could very well be dirty.
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no no no no no no.....


April 08 - havoc 28 days
Mid August/September - havoc 21 days


So my total real "On" time was like 7 weeks and this was a good while back


Its been more than 90 days since my last cycle.
 
you have gained alot in a short amount of time. Sometimes you cant get the body to grow anymore even with juice its insanely hard. I eat way over maintenance at all times and im still having a hard time gaining weight and this has been for awhile. 215-220 is just not budging

Anyway i still think this could very well be a bad batch. I would private message all the CEL reps and CompEdgeLabs on this board and go to other boards too until you get some answers. Good Luck
 
I have to agree with the last few posts, I have no opinion on the CEL product as I have never used it before, but looking at your transformation thread, you've put on a massive amount of LBM in an incredibly short period of time, those type of gains could take some people years, and you've been using a lot of PH's to supplement those gains.

I would take a break man, you really can't expect your body you add that type of mass every year, or every few months, or every cycle - take a break, a good sized break, 6,7,8 months, maybe a year, and then give the PH's a go again. You don't NEED a PH to grow!
 
Orangepeel said:
I have to agree with the last few posts, I have no opinion on the CEL product as I have never used it before, but looking at your transformation thread, you've put on a massive amount of LBM in an incredibly short period of time, those type of gains could take some people years, and you've been using a lot of PH's to supplement those gains.

I would take a break man, you really can't expect your body you add that type of mass every year, or every few months, or every cycle - take a break, a good sized break, 6,7,8 months, maybe a year, and then give the PH's a go again. You don't NEED a PH to grow!
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i agree to that, because according to him, he gained 30lbs, and that means he was 150 when he started using some ph's... seems a little off to me.
 
Harland said:
i agree to that, because according to him, he gained 30lbs, and that means he was 150 when he started using some ph's... seems a little off to me.
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I was 150lbs November of 2007

I gained 11lbs on my own by April of 2008

I started Havoc the first time in April 2008 and went from 161>173

I fell back to 167 and worked my way back up to 173 on my own.

I took havoc again in September 08 and climbed to 183

I now weigh 183.

This doesn't seem to outrageous too me...also keep in mind I started at 161lbs at 5' 8''. I run two short cycle and my diet/training/dedication has put me where I am, not PH alone by any means.
 
yeah sure but its still alot in a short amout of time unless you are about 18 years old and still got a little puberty going for ya ;)

idk i think your a young guy its sounds stupid to say that you sound like you are young based on your posts etc but thats just what i think. maybe my spider senses are off...
 
monsterbox said:
I was 150lbs November of 2007

I gained 11lbs on my own by April of 2008

I started Havoc the first time in April 2008 and went from 161>173

I fell back to 167 and worked my way back up to 173 on my own.

I took havoc again in September 08 and climbed to 183

I now weigh 183.

This doesn't seem to outrageous too me...also keep in mind I started at 161lbs at 5' 8''. I run two short cycle and my diet/training/dedication has put me where I am, not PH alone by any means.
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Gaining 11 pounds natty in 5 months when you FIRST begin lifting is very normal, gains come easy when you first start, chance are you were about to hit your first little "plateau" when you started you first Havoc run, when you gained 12 pounds, losing the 6 pounds after is normal, its just what happens after a cycle, you do you PCT correct, get your natty levels to where they should be and you'll have no trouble gaining those pounds back, which you did, back to 173, then Havoc again and to 183.

So to sum this all up:

PH use LB's gained: 22
Natty LB's gained: 11 (And they would have been fairly easy as this was when you began lifting, or atleast I am assuming you began lifting from the pictures in your other thread)

None the less, you've made huge gains, GREAT JOB! But In my opinion it would probably be best to relax on the PS/PH use as I really think they have had much more to do with yours gains than your giving them credit for. Also I have seen regard Havoc as a "weak" steroid, and I think your taking that into the wrong context, Havoc is considered weak due to the lower toxicity levels compared to many of the other designers, it's strength is in NO WAY weak! I have personally gained just over 20LB's from Havoc on my first cycle, I am now planning a second cycle...it will be about 1 year since my first (with no other PS/PH/AAS use in between)
 
pistonpump said:
yeah sure but its still alot in a short amout of time unless you are about 18 years old and still got a little puberty going for ya ;)

idk i think your a young guy its sounds stupid to say that you sound like you are young based on your posts etc but thats just what i think. maybe my spider senses are off...
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well I promise i'm not a teenager. hint hint...but being under a certain age is illegal on this board. So that make me...you can guess the age.
 
Orangepeel said:
Gaining 11 pounds natty in 5 months when you FIRST begin lifting is very normal, gains come easy when you first start, chance are you were about to hit your first little "plateau" when you started you first Havoc run, when you gained 12 pounds, losing the 6 pounds after is normal, its just what happens after a cycle, you do you PCT correct, get your natty levels to where they should be and you'll have no trouble gaining those pounds back, which you did, back to 173, then Havoc again and to 183.

So to sum this all up:

PH use LB's gained: 22
Natty LB's gained: 11 (And they would have been fairly easy as this was when you began lifting, or atleast I am assuming you began lifting from the pictures in your other thread)

None the less, you've made huge gains, GREAT JOB! But In my opinion it would probably be best to relax on the PS/PH use as I really think they have had much more to do with yours gains than your giving them credit for. Also I have seen regard Havoc as a "weak" steroid, and I think your taking that into the wrong context, Havoc is considered weak due to the lower toxicity levels compared to many of the other designers, it's strength is in NO WAY weak! I have personally gained just over 20LB's from Havoc on my first cycle, I am now planning a second cycle...it will be about 1 year since my first (with no other PS/PH/AAS use in between)
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well, should I lay off for a while? I just thought it was perfectly fine to run 3 cycles per year...I sincerely believe if I was taking havoc right now I would be climbing another 10lbs EASILY, which leads me to believe my problem is with pheraplex being fake.

Even if I hit a growing plateau, I should still have Acne, Shrinkage, Shutdown, Lethargy, Pumps, Cramps, Dehydration, Hunger, and Bloat, and Blood Pressure.

I have NONE of this...


I truly want to reach 200 soon and begin to cut back to 190. As Id like to look into competition.
 
monsterbox said:
well, should I lay off for a while? I just thought it was perfectly fine to run 3 cycles per year...I sincerely believe if I was taking havoc right now I would be climbing another 10lbs EASILY, which leads me to believe my problem is with pheraplex being fake.

Even if I hit a growing plateau, I should still have Acne, Shrinkage, Shutdown, Lethargy, Pumps, Cramps, Dehydration, Hunger, and Bloat, and Blood Pressure.

I have NONE of this...


I truly want to reach 200 soon and begin to cut back to 190. As Id like to look into competition.
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I did not experience ANy of those except a slight tighness in back (w/ proper supps) I certainly would not judge the effectiveness of a cycle by the sides. You have gained alot in this first year and i doubt yuou will put on another 32pds in the next
 
mw1 said:
I did not experience ANy of those except a slight tighness in back (w/ proper supps) I certainly would not judge the effectiveness of a cycle by the sides. You have gained alot in this first year and i doubt yuou will put on another 32pds in the next
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Yeah....the sides are not guaranteed.

You could be a rare non-responder or something else is going on here...
 
mw1 said:
I did not experience ANy of those except a slight tighness in back (w/ proper supps) I certainly would not judge the effectiveness of a cycle by the sides. You have gained alot in this first year and i doubt yuou will put on another 32pds in the next
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So, how do you know you are "on" then? What differentiates using pheraplex to using creatine for you? I'm not expecting another 19lbs, but at least maybe 2-3lbs of real muscle and some noticeable size increase with the tape measurement/leaning out at the least.
 
monsterbox said:
So, how do you know you are "on" then? What differentiates using pheraplex to using creatine for you? I'm not expecting another 19lbs, but at least maybe 2-3lbs of real muscle and some noticeable size increase with the tape measurement/leaning out at the least.
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Strength gains and endurace were the first signs for me----I doubt you will see any leaning out w/ PP , its a bulker.
 
I have the same batch...I am starting tomora

30mg per day to start, then up to 40mg (i am experienced....230lbs.)
unless i stack bridge mdrol - have not decided yet....................
I'll chime in when I feel something

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