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Because you have got on the Fasted wagon too, As well as everyone it seems, i dont want to be left out in the cold, so yesteray and today i did 40 mins cardio, takind bcaas before and intra, Roughly following mullets suggestion, And i woke up looking much leaner today, so like you say, fat does drop of alarmingly quickly.
 
Welcome aboard the boat Russian.. :usa:

:D ..no stab at Canada btw, as this is a Canadian influenced protocol, but there's no appropriate smiley and I was itching to use that one.. :lol:
 
Canado Effect or a real difference

Today was my first AM fasted workout utilizing AP. I recalled DF noting a difference when she did one AM FT workout without the AP, that her workout was a less then experience in comparison to when she does utilize the AP. As I utilized my AP for my AM fasted training, I either experienced a Canado Effect or the AP made an actual and significant difference in energy.

Side note:
Those big list of AM supps have been part of the regiment for 2 weeks now, the only difference was the adding in of AP that I bought last night. In actuality, LR is a much lesser stim in comparison to Reduction AM or Phenadrine, which I have been switching back & forth on. I switched to the LR because the Yohimbine in LR specializes in empty stomach situations, so it's not the subbing in of LR in place of Phenadrine or Reduction AM, because as I stated, both of those supps have a much greater kick in the arse stim then LR (for me).

My regular AM fasted protocol usually consisted of either cardio or lifting. I actually performed both this morning, but it was the lifting that I noticed the greatest difference. There was a new energy this morning as I lifted, in comparison to the previous mornings and this is after I had already ran.

7:00am: 35 min run.

7:45am: Delts

Db Side Laterals
35lbs x 12, 10, 10, 8

Cable Side Laterals
40lbs x 12, 10, 10, 10

Barbell Upright Rows - Wide grip
95lbs x15, x12, x10, x 10

Machine, Side Laterals
110lbs x 10, x 10, x 10, x 10

Question, Snag or Mullet. How long does AP last in the system after you ingest it? I only had 2 slices of Ezekiel toast along with 63g protein, I'm not trip'n on the carbs from the Ezekiel, but I'm just wondering if the AP got a hold on any of that. Breakfast was at 8:30am and I took my AP at 6:15am. Thanks.
 
Whatever, its there again.


I was just thinking, BB.com is going to start an Anon Thread about people at AM who train fasted :banana:
 
My bottle of ALCAR was weak as hell. I'm taking 2g a day and my bottle will have only lasted 14 days. After refilling my vitamin dispensers for the week, my ALCAR is already emptied.
 
VolcomX311 said:
My connects have dwindled down to rare Pokemon cards and German cigarettes.
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DF has some crazy hookup for her ALCAR powder...or you could be like me and just say, "Screw ALCAR, I'm taking enough supps." My best defense for not purchasing more supps is to remain ignorant on what they do...I don't even know what ALCAR is, so don't tell me, because I'll probably buy it.
 
Irish Cannon said:
DF has some crazy hookup for her ALCAR powder...or you could be like me and just say, "Screw ALCAR, I'm taking enough supps." My best defense for not purchasing more supps is to remain ignorant on what they do...I don't even know what ALCAR is, so don't tell me, because I'll probably buy it.
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I actually found a GREAT ALCAR "dealer" [to make it cool and conspicuous], but I'm on enough supps, as you said. I'll let the ALCAR marinate awhile until I'm convinced to purchase it again.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Question, Snag or Mullet. How long does AP last in the system after you ingest it? I only had 2 slices of Ezekiel toast along with 63g protein, I'm not trip'n on the carbs from the Ezekiel, but I'm just wondering if the AP got a hold on any of that. Breakfast was at 8:30am and I took my AP at 6:15am. Thanks.
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AP has a half-life of 6hrs. So yes, the uptake response is still there..
You are utilizing the lipolytic response of AP in the fashion you are using it; generally speaking, using AP for nutrient uptake/carb absorption, you should wait no longer than 30min after AP dose to consume those carbs..
This is why, in a perfect world, the best format following your FT would be to follow with another AP dose, eating post w/o meal 15min after that - thus getting the full combined effects of FT fat oxidization/postworkout nutrition uptake.
If you'll notice, this is exactly how I do it, using either AP or Pslin respectively following my FT training.
 
Hoodwinked!!!

All my life I've loved chitlins or chitterlings (pork/cow intestine). I figured chitlins were extremely healthy like liver, plus, hello, small intestine, 100% smooth muscle, thus, good protein. Nope, not at all. I had some chitlins and chicken & onions for lunch (odd combo I realize) and then I decided to give the chitlins a look, as I am currently very conscientious of my caloric intake.

These Chitlin bastards are a 3 to 1, fat to protein ratio! One serving was something 34g fat to 12g protein! Had I not ate chicken as well, I might have tossed it up. Chances are I had more then 1 serving, uuggghhh... I'll never have chitlins again.
 
snagency said:
AP has a half-life of 6hrs. So yes, the uptake response is still there..
You are utilizing the lipolytic response of AP in the fashion you are using it; generally speaking, using AP for nutrient uptake/carb absorption, you should wait no longer than 30min after AP dose to consume those carbs..
This is why, in a perfect world, the best format following your FT would be to follow with another AP dose, eating post w/o meal 15min after that - thus getting the full combined effects of FT fat oxidization/postworkout nutrition uptake.
If you'll notice, this is exactly how I do it, using either AP or Pslin respectively following my FT training.
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I recall something to that effect, ingesting AP prior to your last exercise at the gym, then having the post workout shake.

I suppose that can be done, AP pre and AP post.
 
I appreciate the help Snag

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There are worse things in the world then my bastard consumption of chitlins, but its urking the hell out of me. All those fats and not even for steak. I suppose I can cardio some more tonight.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Today was my first AM fasted workout utilizing AP. I recalled DF noting a difference when she did one AM FT workout without the AP, that her workout was a less then experience in comparison to when she does utilize the AP. As I utilized my AP for my AM fasted training, I either experienced a Canado Effect or the AP made an actual and significant difference in energy.

Side note:
Those big list of AM supps have been part of the regiment for 2 weeks now, the only difference was the adding in of AP that I bought last night. In actuality, LR is a much lesser stim in comparison to Reduction AM or Phenadrine, which I have been switching back & forth on. I switched to the LR because the Yohimbine in LR specializes in empty stomach situations, so it's not the subbing in of LR in place of Phenadrine or Reduction AM, because as I stated, both of those supps have a much greater kick in the arse stim then LR (for me).

My regular AM fasted protocol usually consisted of either cardio or lifting. I actually performed both this morning, but it was the lifting that I noticed the greatest difference. There was a new energy this morning as I lifted, in comparison to the previous mornings and this is after I had already ran.
7:00am: 35 min run.

7:45am: Delts

Db Side Laterals
35lbs x 12, 10, 10, 8

Cable Side Laterals
40lbs x 12, 10, 10, 10

Barbell Upright Rows - Wide grip
95lbs x15, x12, x10, x 10

Machine, Side Laterals
110lbs x 10, x 10, x 10, x 10

Question, Snag or Mullet. How long does AP last in the system after you ingest it? I only had 2 slices of Ezekiel toast along with 63g protein, I'm not trip'n on the carbs from the Ezekiel, but I'm just wondering if the AP got a hold on any of that. Breakfast was at 8:30am and I took my AP at 6:15am. Thanks.
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Glad to hear it is treating you well Sam, any extra help that is available to you when training fasted is worth grabbing :lol:
 
Irish Cannon said:
DF has some crazy hookup for her ALCAR powder...or you could be like me and just say, "Screw ALCAR, I'm taking enough supps." My best defense for not purchasing more supps is to remain ignorant on what they do...I don't even know what ALCAR is, so don't tell me, because I'll probably buy it.
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So you don't really read my log after all ! I knew it !:stups:
 
While I've been keeping low profile I've noticed some big improvements on AM :bsflag:

I can now count how many friends I have, nice, for a minute I was paranoid that I somehow logged onto facebook :wtf1:

I think I'l just stay low profile :wall: since I don't have that many friends :grumpy:

:lol:
 
I suppose today will be a "rest day" which means no cardio, but I'll most likely do a double lift.

So last night, I was in a situation we've all been in. I went out to BJ's pizza and brewery with some friends and while everybody ordered (awesome) pizza, pitchers of beer and shots, I had my water and double breast chicken salad. Hooray for discipline.
 
VolcomX311 said:
There are worse things in the world then my bastard consumption of chitlins, but its urking the hell out of me. All those fats and not even for steak. I suppose I can cardio some more tonight.
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I could have told you about the chittlin's homefry!! Even though I'm as southern as one can get, I've never ate them. I took a small taste one time and that was enough for me.They're almost completely fat....like all good southern foods. Don't go for the fried pork skins (cracklins) either. I grew up on fatback, gravy, and biscuits. And I was fat for it!!!
Remember...you are what you eat. Eat fat and you'll be fat. Eat lean meat....you get the idea!!

AND dragonfly, I've got 0 friends!!! oh, the humanity!! LOL
 
VolcomX311 said:
I suppose today will be a "rest day" which means no cardio, but I'll most likely do a double lift.

So last night, I was in a situation we've all been in. I went out to BJ's pizza and brewery with some friends and while everybody ordered (awesome) pizza, pitchers of beer and shots, I had my water and double breast chicken salad. Hooray for discipline.
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Dude, that is the WORST! I...HATE having to order salads!!! Argh!! I don't mind eating them myself at home, but when everyone is slamming pizza and delicious alcohol and I'm there with my salad, I never feel more sad...It's seriously the most frustrating thing ever. My roommates that I lived with last year were actually real cool though, and they tried to eat healthy, so we'd all eat pretty solid throughout the week, and then grab a cheat-meal on Friday nights. We have a place called The Tuscan Oven around here that actually has amazing pizza for the South...When a guy from Chicago tells you that someone's pizza is good, BELIEVE HIM! :D
 
Rest Day

Rest day, as in rest from cardio, but no rest from lifting or dieting. I was unable to perform a fasted AM workout this morning due to work. If I really wanted to, I probably could have, but I decided to let myself sleep the extra 2-3 hours during the weekend, to make up for all the hours I sacrifice to hit fasted AM lifts prior to work throughout the week.

AM Lift - Bi's

EZ Bar Curls x 3 sets
Seated DB Curls x 3 sets
Lat Pull Down, Vertical Curls x 3 sets
Cable High Curls x 3 sets


PM Lift - Chest
Decline Bench x 3 sets
Flat Bench x 3 sets
Hammer Wide Press x 3 sets
Free Weight Loaded, Hammer Dips x 3 sets
BW Dips x 3 sets


I'm showing special attention toward the lower/outer portion of my pecs. I wouldn't lift quite like this if general CHEST DEVELOPMENT was my concern, but my focus right now is to bring up lagging areas. Now that I'm cutting, I can afford to refine the finer things with visible results.

Leviathan Reloaded: True to past experiences, around day 2 or 3 the LR starts to give me migraines, so LR is officially out and Phenadrine is officially back in. I do well with ghetto Y HCL, but I have a migraine reaction to LR's superior version of Y.

I'm down to 205 from 211 in 2 weeks. Some might say that's too much, too fast, I say :woohoo: (I technically weighed 215 when I started, but I was usually 217 heavy, 213, light, therefore, I gave myself 211 relatively dry). Come to think of it, I'm not sure where that official put me when I started.

When I stopped cutting last May, I was 211, throughout the semester i was 213-215, high end 217, but never lighter then 213-214. Anyway, I feel good and not over-worked and a large part of me enjoys the discipline of dieting, so far, so good.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Dude, that is the WORST! I...HATE having to order salads!!! Argh!! I don't mind eating them myself at home, but when everyone is slamming pizza and delicious alcohol and I'm there with my salad, I never feel more sad...It's seriously the most frustrating thing ever. My roommates that I lived with last year were actually real cool though, and they tried to eat healthy, so we'd all eat pretty solid throughout the week, and then grab a cheat-meal on Friday nights. We have a place called The Tuscan Oven around here that actually has amazing pizza for the South...When a guy from Chicago tells you that someone's pizza is good, BELIEVE HIM! :D
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The beer wasn't as hard for me to resist as BJ's renowned deep dish pizzas Invalid Link Removed. Of coursed the drunker my friends become, the more they attempted to coerce me into joining the fun. I ended up being the designated driver, but whatever.

No one called me a fag for ordering a chicken salad, so its all good.
 
thundergod said:
I could have told you about the chittlin's homefry!! Even though I'm as southern as one can get, I've never ate them. I took a small taste one time and that was enough for me.They're almost completely fat....like all good southern foods. Don't go for the fried pork skins (cracklins) either. I grew up on fatback, gravy, and biscuits. And I was fat for it!!!
Remember...you are what you eat. Eat fat and you'll be fat. Eat lean meat....you get the idea!!

AND dragonfly, I've got 0 friends!!! oh, the humanity!! LOL
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Well, I'm down in weight, in spite of the chitlin incident of '09, so we're all good. No more chitlins for me.

Deep fried pork skins are the bomb! My good friend DJ and their family are from Sparta, Georgia, that's back woods south and one snack that is always in stock, are pork rines. Of course I know better then to feed on those, but damn do they taste good to me.

My favorite southern dish has to be the oven baked mac & cheese w/ eggs.
 
There will come a time when I'll have to wean myself off of the stims and rely much heavier on the anti-cort aspect and other non-stim burners like lean xtreme and DCP. Until then, I'll enjoy my morning stim. I love that morning kick in the arse.
 
VolcomX311 said:
AM Lift - Bi's

EZ Bar Curls x 3 sets
Seated DB Curls x 3 sets
Lat Pull Down, Vertical Curls x 3 sets
Cable High Curls x 3 sets


PM Lift - Chest
Decline Bench x 3 sets
Flat Bench x 3 sets
Hammer Wide Press x 3 sets
Free Weight Loaded, Hammer Dips x 3 sets
BW Dips x 3 sets
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Wow.. nice. Dig the set-up. :biggthumpup:
You're a madman!
 
VolcomX311 said:
There will come a time when I'll have to wean myself off of the stims and rely much heavier on the anti-cort aspect and other non-stim burners like lean xtreme and DCP. Until then, I'll enjoy my morning stim. I love that morning kick in the arse.
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This is my hope as well. After April, I should be able to drop the stims and I'll pick up some anti-cortisol products (LX/Relora) as well as some Reset AD and take a good 2months off of stims. I'd like to get back to the basics for a good while. I'll be using the extra money for more quality supplements such as Beverly International products like Ultra Size and Ultra-40s.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Recreate is on the way..... so is DCP, and more Lean Xtreme and some extra Yohimbine HCL's. It all started with the Recreate. That'll probably be it for awhile.
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the recreate/dcp combo is awesome. i used it for 6 weeks. one of those weeks i spent in seattle on vacation. needless to say, my diet was also on vacation. but my body did not respond to the crappy diet, thank god. that little stack essentially helped me stay where i was, and i came home about the same as i left, maybe even a tad bit leaner.
 
VolcomX311 said:
There will come a time when I'll have to wean myself off of the stims and rely much heavier on the anti-cort aspect and other non-stim burners like lean xtreme and DCP. Until then, I'll enjoy my morning stim. I love that morning kick in the arse.
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Me too brother, me too. I'll be off stims in just 4 days!! I start my new cycle then. I never mix stims and steroids.
I know that some of you are not onboard with me on this one, but I love my steroids!!!
I can't wait to once again taste the anger, rage, and aggression!! :evil:
 
thundergod said:
Me too brother, me too. I'll be off stims in just 4 days!! I start my new cycle then. I never mix stims and steroids.
I know that some of you are not onboard with me on this one, but I love my steroids!!!
I can't wait to once again taste the anger, rage, and aggression!! :evil:
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THat was one of the funniest lines I've ever read.
 
I'm currently staggering between 205-206, which is alright. I went to a friend's house yesterday for a Play-Off's party, both of the teams I wanted to win, lost.

The food there was plentiful also, lots of BBQ tons of home-made dips I was coerced to try and of course, but loads of drinking.

I managed to escape the party slightly unscathed. I ended up having one 12oz steak and one 16oz pork chop between 2:30-3:00pm and 4oz steak and 8oz pork chop at the half of the second game, I think around 5:30pm. I would have stuck with the steak, accept the steak had run out and my only other option pork chop were polish sausage or hamburgers, but no chips, no breads and no beer. My protein consumption could have been cleaner, but my portions were well and I did the best I could with my given options.
 
I did do my fasted AM cardio (40 min street run) and my AM lift (before church) and then headed off to the party.

I did my fasted AM cardio (20 min intense stairclimbers) and fasted AM lift, so I'm staying on the wagon with the utmost dedication.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I'm currently staggering between 205-206, which is alright. I went to a friend's house yesterday for a Play-Off's party, both of the teams I wanted to win, lost.

The food there was plentiful also, lots of BBQ tons of home-made dips I was coerced to try and of course, but loads of drinking.

I managed to escape the party slightly unscathed. I ended up having one 12oz steak and one 16oz pork chop between 2:30-3:00pm and 4oz steak and 8oz pork chop at the half of the second game, I think around 5:30pm. I would have stuck with the steak, accept the steak had run out and my only other option pork chop were polish sausage or hamburgers, but no chips, no breads and no beer. My protein consumption could have been cleaner, but my portions were well and I did the best I could with my given options.
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looks like ive about met you in the middle. youve cut down to 205-206, and ive been hovering around 203-204. nicely done sir.
 
You're doing a great job Sam. Your dedication and commitment is obvious.
As a general dietary reference note: I would have went with the hamburgers over the pork chops. Pork has the highest fat content of any meat.

Also: I think you're beginning to get a sense of why it is important to drop caloric intake slowly, rather than just jumping into a miniscule diet. Not just for maintaining muscle tissue; the body will adjust to any diet eventually, and aside from the drastic steps it will take to hold onto fat stores because it senses not enough food will be coming in, here's the bigger issue: once the body has adjusted to that uber-low intake, and you need to drop it further to shake up fat loss -- where do you go from there? If you start at the bottom threshhold, you have nowhere to go any further.

Just some thoughts; I'm enjoying seeing your enthusiasm with this process.
Keep it up!
 
snagency said:
You're doing a great job Sam. Your dedication and commitment is obvious.
As a general dietary reference note: I would have went with the hamburgers over the pork chops. Pork has the highest fat content of any meat.

Also: I think you're beginning to get a sense of why it is important to drop caloric intake slowly, rather than just jumping into a miniscule diet. Not just for maintaining muscle tissue; the body will adjust to any diet eventually, and aside from the drastic steps it will take to hold onto fat stores because it senses not enough food will be coming in, here's the bigger issue: once the body has adjusted to that uber-low intake, and you need to drop it further to shake up fat loss -- where do you go from there? If you start at the bottom threshhold, you have nowhere to go any further.

Just some thoughts; I'm enjoying seeing your enthusiasm with this process.
Keep it up!
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DAMN!! First the Chitlin mishap and now the pork chop mistake :pat:

I hear ya loud and clear on dropping the kcals slowly, so you can continuously taper the caloric intake downward as the cut progresses, it makes complete sense. My carbs have all come from either vegetables, Ezekiel or Steel Cut Oats, I've not completely weaned off the brown rice yet, but mostly because I've still got a couple tubs left, but my next bulk cook won't involve any brown rice. I'll still eat my Ezekiel and Steel Cuts (and veggies obviously), but I'll cut out the brown rice.

Thanks for the encouragement ya'llz!
 
snagency said:
You're doing a great job Sam. Your dedication and commitment is obvious.
As a general dietary reference note: I would have went with the hamburgers over the pork chops. Pork has the highest fat content of any meat.

Also: I think you're beginning to get a sense of why it is important to drop caloric intake slowly, rather than just jumping into a miniscule diet. Not just for maintaining muscle tissue; the body will adjust to any diet eventually, and aside from the drastic steps it will take to hold onto fat stores because it senses not enough food will be coming in, here's the bigger issue: once the body has adjusted to that uber-low intake, and you need to drop it further to shake up fat loss -- where do you go from there? If you start at the bottom threshhold, you have nowhere to go any further.

Just some thoughts; I'm enjoying seeing your enthusiasm with this process.
Keep it up!
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Very good point snag that makes alot of sense. It seems sometimes that if i lower them too fast it will stop my fat loss too. It like i go into starvation mode and my body holds onto the fat more. I don't get this though, because it is not like i ma dropping my cals that low when this happens maybe 2000-2300. But if i raise them a little it seems that i start to loose fat that way. Its like i have to be right in a certain area and if i get too low or too high it is counterproductive.
 
How quick is your pace while running, Sam? I get scared doing high intensity training, fasted. I feel like I'm burning into my muscle tissue.
 
Great log sam, im learning from you all the time, Some great points made here by some of the best minds at AM, Its true about lowering calories and your body adapting, thats why i like to lower carbs for one week, with FT, and for 3 weeks keep carbs high and lower fat intake, For me i get results..Everyone has different approaches.
 
Irish Cannon said:
How quick is your pace while running, Sam? I get scared doing high intensity training, fasted. I feel like I'm burning into my muscle tissue.
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It's hard to say, it's really hilly around where I live, so I'm usually either going uphill or downhill. Flats are really uncommon around here, so its hard to say. I run at a decent pace, I'm usually pretty damn tired by the time I finish and I'm sweating rather profusely.
 
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