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How to "pulse" orals

DR.D said:
30mg of Fini always seemed like a very unrealistically low dose to me for a non-methyl, 17-keto nor derivative. 19-Nordione for example never did a thing for me even at ~800mg doses. However, I will say that I've heard a ton of positive feedback from other guys. This is one of the few compounds I never tried, so I have no first hand experience with it.

Dr D

Thank you for your explanation:clap2:

I will procure the necessary and have another pulse cycle beginning the third week in Feb.

I will run this compound with Epi (I may alternate) I will also feel my way in starting with a low dose as its new to me.

I will report once completed....

D Thanks again for sharing your experience and methods with all here.

Merry Chrismas and a happy new year.....
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Delita420 said:
The question is: Is it worth the risk?

If it is worth the risk, then buy the stack. I'm currently running Havoc and Stoked without a SERM.
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i think with the light cycle I'll be running, the risk should be low...but I do have a SERM on hand for just in case...but don't plan on using it unless I have to.
 
Savantee said:
... D Thanks again for sharing your experience and methods with all here.

Merry Chrismas and a happy new year.....
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Always glad to offer any data I can that might help. :)

I hope you had a merry Christmas too and have a happy New Year as well!
 
Hey Doc,

Merry Christmas, just a thought, been reading up on the low dose cycle approach, do you think this can be comparable to the pulse method?
 
DR.D said:
20mg of A50 every day takes several weeks to even start shutting down, so I think you could pulse more.
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Just curious because I have some A50 tabs from a previous cycle and wanted to start using the tabs until I my epi product arrive. So my question is could I take the AD everyday and when my epi arrive use the pulse method?
 
yogimaster said:
Hey Doc,

Merry Christmas, just a thought, been reading up on the low dose cycle approach, do you think this can be comparable to the pulse method?
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I'm not familiar with the specific method you speak of. Can you provide a protocol, or a link I can study?

In general, there is a lower threshold dose that will start to demonstrate effects. If you can find that window without blowing the upper end of the threshold, low dose cycles may have some applications, especially if confined to less than 3wk courses.
 
DR.D said:
I'm not familiar with the specific method you speak of. Can you provide a protocol, or a link I can study?

In general, there is a lower threshold dose that will start to demonstrate effects. If you can find that window without blowing the upper end of the threshold, low dose cycles may have some applications, especially if confined to less than 3wk courses.
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Probably in reference to this thread:

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what I been able to gather from the thread is that people are using low dosages of compounds like SD at 5 mg or 10 mg of Epi everyday in the morning for 3 wks cycle. perhaps take 1 wk off and then repeat the cycle again. therefore, many mini cycles can be done through out the year.
the suppose theory is that, with low dosage as such and taken in the morning, the body would keep the natural test production going and thus minimize suppression. the gains would be slow and steady sort of a level above natural but not quite to the level of full blown boost.
does this make sense? if it does, the natural cycle of test increase would seem to be more tolerable than the pulse method and supposedly no sides.
 
yogimaster said:
what I been able to gather from the thread is that people are using low dosages of compounds like SD at 5 mg or 10 mg of Epi everyday in the morning for 3 wks cycle. perhaps take 1 wk off and then repeat the cycle again. therefore, many mini cycles can be done through out the year.
the suppose theory is that, with low dosage as such and taken in the morning, the body would keep the natural test production going and thus minimize suppression. the gains would be slow and steady sort of a level above natural but not quite to the level of full blown boost.
does this make sense? if it does, the natural cycle of test increase would seem to be more tolerable than the pulse method and supposedly no sides.
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Good post yogi. :) Yes, one can certainly make this argument. Just as prld2gr8ns points out too. Especially the first few years of training I think most guys can get away with unusually low doses and still have a great response. That's smart thinking! When you calculate this just using a linear regression of dose VS sides and not considering the intrinsic intangibles, it does make sense. You could take the entire dose to coincide with your natural peak (early morning). You could even take it one step further and utilize an estrogen antagonist at bedtime (SERM) or at least before mid morning (AI) and/or a DHT antagonist too like a hair regrowth compound or ATD. 2-3wks ON at very low doses, then a 1-2wks break and recycle.

However, due to intangibles, I can't say that this would necessarily work better than a pulse, because there seems to be extra receptor recruitment proportional to dose which increases the ceiling on results. Plus, there is a more efficient utilization when doses are staged specifically around training. So pulsing is kinda the best of both worlds between a low dose short cycle with a singular morning dose, and a conventional ED cycle.

Whatever you do, health should be the goal. :thumbsup:
 
DR.D said:
Good post yogi. :) Yes, one can certainly make this argument. Just as prld2gr8ns points out too. Especially the first few years of training I think most guys can get away with unusually low doses and still have a great response. That's smart thinking! When you calculate this just using a linear regression of dose VS sides and not considering the intrinsic intangibles, it does make sense. You could take the entire dose to coincide with your natural peak (early morning). You could even take it one step further and utilize an estrogen antagonist at bedtime (SERM) or at least before mid morning (AI) and/or a DHT antagonist too like a hair regrowth compound or ATD. 2-3wks ON at very low doses, then a 1-2wks break and recycle.

However, due to intangibles, I can't say that this would necessarily work better than a pulse, because there seems to be extra receptor recruitment proportional to dose which increases the ceiling on results. Plus, there is a more efficient utilization when doses are staged specifically around training. So pulsing is kinda the best of both worlds between a low dose short cycle with a singular morning dose, and a conventional ED cycle.

Whatever you do, health should be the goal. :thumbsup:
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Dr. thanks for the rep points, coming from you is especially meaningful.

Wish everyone a happy new year and may the new year bring good health to all.
 
Dr. D, I was hoping you (and experienced members) could kindly critique my pulsing cycle

Briefly about me:
Age: 32
Height/Weight 5'10 185lb

Been training naturally for 4 years. I've been reading these posts for several months and I am a person who is obsessed with organizing and planning. I am also more concerned with my long term health and being around for my children :)

I apologize if my questions have already been posted and I missed it, but despite reading for a few months, it is difficult to connect all of the pieces; I have not touched any products and have heeded all of the valuable advice in these forums which repeatedly state to "do the research". I have researched, but just have a few questions and would be grateful for some assistance.

I am planning to start a 3 week m-drol pulse of 2 on/1 off/2 on/1 off (similar to Erekose m-drol mini cycle). 10/10/10 or 10/20/20 depending on how my body reacts. Here goes:

Goals: Put on as much muscle as possible, not worried about bf% right now - I do about 6 hours jujitsu/mma a week
Calories: 3500-4000

2 Weeks Pre-Cycle

Preload Cycle Support or hawthorne berry and milk thistle for 2 weeks

Question 1: Is this necessary with pulsing? If it can't harm I'm for it.

Cycle

M-Drol Pulsing 10/10/10 (or 10/20/20 etc depending on how my body reacts)

Support Supps During Cycle

Cycle Support

Question 2: Cycle Support contains 1000mg of Milk Thistle and I have read this may be counter-productive. Should I use this on off days or use it everyday and just be sure to use it 6 hours apart from m-drol?

2 HD2X Every night before bed (or 2 during off days and 1 during on days)

DHEA (for lethargy and libido support)
Taurine
Super Cissus

Question 3: Regarding the above three, can anyone kindly advise an optimal dosage? For DHEA for example, is 50mg twice a day sufficient? I've read the dose can be doubled on off days.

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
Policosanol

PCT
Here is where it gets tricky because I understand that with pulsing you may not need a SERM, but I was thinking to play it safe

Week 1: 10mg of Tamox - EndoAmp or X-Lean (for Cort Control) - DHEA 200 - aPCT
Week 2: 10mg of Tamox - EndoAmp or X-Lean (for Cort Control) - DHEA 150 - aPCT
Week 3: 6oxo - EndoAmp or X-Lean(for Cort Control) - DHEA 100 - aPCT
Week 4: 6oxo - EndoAmp or X-Lean(for Cort Control) - DHEA 50 - aPCT


Question 4: Is this too much/am I missing something? Should I include Cycle Support or Post Cycle Support (or both)? Should I continue using HD2x?

Again, I greatly appreciate any positive feedback.
 
You will need more than one day to not get shut down. imo Dr d say to have atleast 3 days a week off. with 2 of them being consecutive. Something like 3 days a week is best. I personally haven't used your method, so not positive if it wouldn't work. Lets see what Dr has to say about this protocol.
 
Thanks EasyEJL and hman85. My workout schedule is like this:

Sunday & Monday OFF
Tuesday & Wednesday On
Thursday Off
Friday & Saturday On

So I was planning on using the m-drol on workout days, so its like 2 on and 1 off, then 2 on and 2 off. So its about 4 days a week, which is why I figured I would start with just 10mg.

Its all adjustable, I just want to make sure everything is lined up before starting. Especially the supplements and PCT.
 
drinkovaltine said:
... I've been reading these posts for several months and I am a person who is obsessed with organizing and planning. I am also more concerned with my long term health and being around for my children :) ...
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Amen brother! Having a family to take care is what keeps me tame and focused too. Your proposal looks well planned, but bear in mind the potential complications and have a recovery plan in place for good measure. Watch your body and note how it responds, you can fine tune from there.
 
DR.D-

I have been extremely happy (and tired) to read through this thread, and learn about pulsing.

After swearing off SD for its side-effects, I think I'm going to run it as a pulse. My last two cycles (regular, not pulsed) have been Epi (Havoc), and the last one I ran was 5 weeks, 20-30-40-40-40. I've come back fine with OTC PCT both times, and have been happy with my results.

I have a couple of questions, because I see some differences in some of the recommendations you've given (which is bound to happen over 97 pages!)

1. What would you recommend for dose/length? My plan is for 4-5 weeks, M-W-F, 10-20-20-30-(30). And if I remember correctly, on the odd doses, I want to take the larger dose post-, versus pre-workout, because SD is anabolic, correct?

2. You made the statement early that running a Test Booster as a core, with the pulsing, would be an excellent cycle, but then have also talked about taking just AIs on days off, low doses of T-Boosters on days off only, etc. What would be your recommendation for SD, at the doses and lengths I laid out above? My fave T-Booster right now is T-Bol from Thermolife, and my AI of choice is usually 6-OXO. Would you recommend something different/better?

3. Would my Havoc OTC PCT be sufficient? I run T-Bol and Post Cycle Support (from AI) for 4 weeks, beginning day one, at the recommended doses on the bottle, and I bring in 6-OXO on week 2 (or 3, I've done both), and taper it for 4 weeks, at 3-2-2-1 pills per day.

I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with the rest of us, and answering peoples questions. I'm sure there are times when 'if I only had a nickel...' runs through your mind, but you answer it anyway!


Thanks!

Dave
 
SDDave said:
DR.D-

I have been extremely happy (and tired) to read through this thread, and learn about pulsing.

After swearing off SD for its side-effects, I think I'm going to run it as a pulse. My last two cycles (regular, not pulsed) have been Epi (Havoc), and the last one I ran was 5 weeks, 20-30-40-40-40. I've come back fine with OTC PCT both times, and have been happy with my results.

I have a couple of questions, because I see some differences in some of the recommendations you've given (which is bound to happen over 97 pages!)

1. What would you recommend for dose/length? My plan is for 4-5 weeks, M-W-F, 10-20-20-30-(30). And if I remember correctly, on the odd doses, I want to take the larger dose post-, versus pre-workout, because SD is anabolic, correct?

2. You made the statement early that running a Test Booster as a core, with the pulsing, would be an excellent cycle, but then have also talked about taking just AIs on days off, low doses of T-Boosters on days off only, etc. What would be your recommendation for SD, at the doses and lengths I laid out above? My fave T-Booster right now is T-Bol from Thermolife, and my AI of choice is usually 6-OXO. Would you recommend something different/better?

3. Would my Havoc OTC PCT be sufficient? I run T-Bol and Post Cycle Support (from AI) for 4 weeks, beginning day one, at the recommended doses on the bottle, and I bring in 6-OXO on week 2 (or 3, I've done both), and taper it for 4 weeks, at 3-2-2-1 pills per day.

I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with the rest of us, and answering peoples questions. I'm sure there are times when 'if I only had a nickel...' runs through your mind, but you answer it anyway!


Thanks!

Dave
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1) the greater of the 2 doses pre-w/o (just the opposite with a non-methyl)
2) t-bol and 6-oxo should be fine
3) yes, I think so, but one can never be certain!
4) ok, now where's my nickle? ;)
 
DR.D said:
1) the greater of the 2 doses pre-w/o (just the opposite with a non-methyl)
2) t-bol and 6-oxo should be fine
3) yes, I think so, but one can never be certain!
4) ok, now where's my nickle? ;)
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Thank you for clearing up number 1.

With the T-Bol and 6-OXO during the cycle- every day, off days,...? (And do I need both?)

I left your nickel on a sidewalk near your house... but you have to find it :D

Thanks again for your response!

Dave
 
SDDave said:
... I left your nickel on a sidewalk near your house... but you have to find it :D

Thanks again for your response!

Dave
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I bet my kids already found it an chased down the snow cone man, but thanks anyway Dave. :)

I would apply the T-Bol (3 caps) on the off days only, and take 100mg 6-Oxo every morning or right before bed, either way. That would be a good place to start.
 
D,

God Bless bro. I'm one of your silent fans who's greatly benefitted from your pulsing protocol. Happy NY to you and yours.
 
jpk said:
D,

God Bless bro. I'm one of your silent fans who's greatly benefitted from your pulsing protocol. Happy NY to you and yours.
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Thank you Sir, that humbles me and makes me feel good too. :)

God bless you and yours also and happy NY jpk!
 
DR.D said:
Amen brother! Having a family to take care is what keeps me tame and focused too. Your proposal looks well planned, but bear in mind the potential complications and have a recovery plan in place for good measure. Watch your body and note how it responds, you can fine tune from there.
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Thanks Dr. D, I appreciate the feedback!
 
HAVoc Pulse with M1D cardio issues.

I posted this on my log, but I am not sure it has too many following. Since it got moved it doesnt show up on the new posts tab....

anyway!

I had an unfourtunate lapse in training of about 2.5 weeks when my father passed away. During that time I was off everything for 1 week. When I came back, my lifts were actually up, decently up too.(for me). The bad side is that I went from running 4.5 miles down to less than 2. My cardio ability has been vastly diminished (even in martial arts class I can tell), as have my runs etc. I gained about 10-15 lbs while I was off and ~2%BF. With the gain, I "feel" like I am retaining water and when I run my leg muscles feel like they are burning like fire after 5 min... even when walking fter my run. I REALLY think this is related to my pulse or the daily M1D, and although I dont want to quit, I dont want to gain 10 lbs of muscle just to have a coronary!...

I really think I should either cut out somehting or just ebd cycle early. I had no problems before I took the break. I did add in M1D and

ON days-4 days/week HAVOC, SLIN, Purple Wraath
daily -LG M1D, IGH-1, multi-vit, cycle sup x2
off days - relora, NOVEDEX XT, cycle sup x1, liv detox

I dont think missed anything. My log link is in signiture and full cycle detail is on page one of log...

Advice on the muscle burn? My shin splints (gone for over 1.5 years) have also started to return and I think that maybe somehing is OVER pumping my leg muscles while running. Most of the pump pain (and burn) is in the frontal leg muscle from where you raise your foot up when bringing foot forward. I know most of my muscles bu I cant think of that muscle's name.
 
jeffh3c said:
I posted this on my log, but I am not sure it has too many following. Since it got moved it doesnt show up on the new posts tab....

anyway!

I had an unfourtunate lapse in training of about 2.5 weeks when my father passed away. During that time I was off everything for 1 week. When I came back, my lifts were actually up, decently up too.(for me). The bad side is that I went from running 4.5 miles down to less than 2. My cardio ability has been vastly diminished (even in martial arts class I can tell), as have my runs etc. I gained about 10-15 lbs while I was off and ~2%BF. With the gain, I "feel" like I am retaining water and when I run my leg muscles feel like they are burning like fire after 5 min... even when walking fter my run. I REALLY think this is related to my pulse or the daily M1D, and although I dont want to quit, I dont want to gain 10 lbs of muscle just to have a coronary!...

I really think I should either cut out somehting or just ebd cycle early. I had no problems before I took the break. I did add in M1D and

ON days-4 days/week HAVOC, SLIN, Purple Wraath
daily -LG M1D, IGH-1, multi-vit, cycle sup x2
off days - relora, NOVEDEX XT, cycle sup x1, liv detox

I dont think missed anything. My log link is in signiture and full cycle detail is on page one of log...

Advice on the muscle burn? My shin splints (gone for over 1.5 years) have also started to return and I think that maybe somehing is OVER pumping my leg muscles while running. Most of the pump pain (and burn) is in the frontal leg muscle from where you raise your foot up when bringing foot forward. I know most of my muscles bu I cant think of that muscle's name.
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Its the extra weight! Your body is working harder and it has more to carry around. If you keep up the running your body should adapt to your new weight.
 
hman85 said:
Its the extra weight! Your body is working harder and it has more to carry around. If you keep up the running your body should adapt to your new weight.
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hman, Thanks for the response man.That does make sense, but I was running when I was 20 lbs heavier ans still ran without this much difficulty. (body readapted to lighter weight now maybe?)
The main issue is the leg muscle burn which almost feels like it is being over pumped. I have been trying to run on my "off" days, but still end up takind M1D about an hour prior, so I am wondering if that is causing a pump (good for lifts) that may be doing this to my legs on the run.
 
jeffh3c said:
hman, Thanks for the response man.That does make sense, but I was running when I was 20 lbs heavier ans still ran without this much difficulty. (body readapted to lighter weight now maybe?)
The main issue is the leg muscle burn which almost feels like it is being over pumped. I have been trying to run on my "off" days, but still end up takind M1D about an hour prior, so I am wondering if that is causing a pump (good for lifts) that may be doing this to my legs on the run.
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Trust me get this if i am doing a bulking cycle, and i keep my running to minimum on cycle. When i get done and start to run again it takes me a bit to get back into the swing of things. Also using compounds makes the pumps in your body much more prevalent. When i am on cycle i get alot stronger shin and calf pumps then when not on. so that could be a factor as well.
 
hman85 said:
Trust me get this if i am doing a bulking cycle, and i keep my running to minimum on cycle. When i get done and start to run again it takes me a bit to get back into the swing of things. Also using compounds makes the pumps in your body much more prevalent. When i am on cycle i get alot stronger shin and calf pumps then when not on. so that could be a factor as well.
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Ok. That does make me feel a bit better. I will just accept it for now and worry about it after my cycle is though (2 more weeks on pulse).

Reps.
 
Just bought some Havoc and Cycle Support, thinking very hard about when to go on my first pulsing cycle (coincidentally also my first cycle). I would run the dosing 3 X per week @ 10/20/30 for first week, and the 30/30/30 for 5 to 7 weeks depending on what results I am seeing and what my body is telling me. I will not being using a SERM, only Post Cycle Support and perhaps Novedex.

Height: 5'10''
Weight: 190-195 lbs
BF%: mid-high to high teens

Dead: around 400
Bench: around 265
Squat: around 320

I have read through many pages of this with a fear of never being able to catch up, so I'll just ask my questions now...

Are there any long term effects of Havoc that I need to be overly concerned about?

Is my PCT acceptable for the pulse?

After coming off, is there any type of lethargy or any sort as I have a lot of physical activities in late winter and spring that I need to be good to go for.
 
Dr. D

I am going to start a cycle of that combines two methyls together with 1 non methyl compound (19nor). Each pill contains 10 mg SD, 12.5 mg phera-plex, and 30 mg. of 19 nor (tren). They recommend 2 pills per day max but, I would rather incorporate your pulse method to avoid the serious potential side effects this compound could produce on my body. Any recommendations, sir?
 
brahmabull said:
Dr. D

I am going to start a cycle of that combines two methyls together with 1 non methyl compound (19nor). Each pill contains 10 mg SD, 12.5 mg phera-plex, and 30 mg. of 19 nor (tren). They recommend 2 pills per day max but, I would rather incorporate your pulse method to avoid the serious potential side effects this compound could produce on my body. Any recommendations, sir?
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I've never used one of those combo supps, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't get the job done at 2 caps/wo days.
 
Havoc PCT

I have read through this entire forum previously and prior to my cycle; but I just want to clarify before I start my PCT.

I had 3 weeks on, 1 week off, 3 weeks on. On were at 4 days per week. Based on this my time on was 24 days and time off was 25 days. Based on this I shouldnt need an official PCT, but I still plan on doing a week or so to be safe. After a pulse like the above, how long before I would be able to start another pulse?

I am looking at pulsing the Liquid Masterdrol. Bottle says 2 tsp per day, but usually on pulse you have a higher dose on on days and then compensate for in on off days. What would be a good dose to pulse this with?

P.S. for those wondering if pulse works (other forums seem to dismiss the idea):
-I had good gains, though modest they were quite noticeable
-almost zero sides

Thanks to Dr. D for this thread and the wealth of information within.
 
If people read how his information with a fine tooth comb, they'd realize the genius behind it. For those of us who have done this type of cycling, we've reaped more benefits than setbacks since this allows the body to not experience side effects that could be detrimental to our health in the long run. I gained 11 lbs on a pulse cycle of epistane and kept 9 lbs. and nearly all my strength. The usual side effects that developed for me during a cycle like nose bleeds, hypertension, mood swings, acne, and aggression were nonexistent. Now, I can gain muscle without having to sacrifice my vital organs. Thanks dr.d for all your help and feedback. God bless you, man.
 
jeffh3c said:
I have read through this entire forum previously and prior to my cycle; but I just want to clarify before I start my PCT.

I had 3 weeks on, 1 week off, 3 weeks on. On were at 4 days per week. Based on this my time on was 24 days and time off was 25 days. Based on this I shouldnt need an official PCT, but I still plan on doing a week or so to be safe. After a pulse like the above, how long before I would be able to start another pulse?

I am looking at pulsing the Liquid Masterdrol. Bottle says 2 tsp per day, but usually on pulse you have a higher dose on on days and then compensate for in on off days. What would be a good dose to pulse this with?

P.S. for those wondering if pulse works (other forums seem to dismiss the idea):
-I had good gains, though modest they were quite noticeable
-almost zero sides

Thanks to Dr. D for this thread and the wealth of information within.
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Based on your last cycle, you would require 3.4 weeks off, but that's just a guideline calculation. 2-3 wks might be plenty since you took the week off in the middle.

I'm not sure about the MD, I've never personally used it. You might wanna start with the label suggested dose, but you may need to increase it by ~1.5x if that's ineffective.

You're welcome sir. I'm glad you had such beneficial results. :)
 
brahmabull said:
If people read how his information with a fine tooth comb, they'd realize the genius behind it. For those of us who have done this type of cycling, we've reaped more benefits than setbacks since this allows the body to not experience side effects that could be detrimental to our health in the long run. I gained 11 lbs on a pulse cycle of epistane and kept 9 lbs. and nearly all my strength. The usual side effects that developed for me during a cycle like nose bleeds, hypertension, mood swings, acne, and aggression were nonexistent. Now, I can gain muscle without having to sacrifice my vital organs. Thanks dr.d for all your help and feedback. God bless you, man.
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Not as well versed as some here but couldn't agree more - Finished a cycle on 15th Dec and have gone from strength to strength in the gym.

I'm training at a level that I have been unable to attain for many years. I dropped the frequency a little after the pulse and the strength just kept coming. This is with a PCT of Activate x (Night) and Cycle Support (Morning) and a little pre-work out extend!!

In fact I think that this pulse cycle has actually corrected my balance which was out of kilter after overdoing Nolva after a full on SD cycle that felt like it was killing me.

I think people who knock this method haven't given it a chance or are impatient, what is needed are slow steady gains that can be built on are the way forward.

Six weeks on six weeks off should be good and would fit in well with any size strength. Gains size strength stabilised post cycle and body in great shape to push on with next pulse cycle.

Anybody thinking of this method should have a look at logs for EPI and ensure good quality fats and normal ancillaries (Cycle Support) are taken.

Really impressed with method.........
 
pacos said:
^thanks for the search tip...i was using the wrong search function. researching now.


Ok...I think I understand the purpose behing taking an atd. I've come across some conflicting opinions on whether to take it in pct....but I see it in most pct's that i've come across.

I'm thinking about getting an epi stack that is sold in the store by IBE. It has the epi, cycle and post cycle support. So....

Light Pulse of:

10/10/10(all taken early morning)
20/20/20
20/20/20
30/30/30
40/40/40

On
Cycle support-Every day
Test Booster(T-Bol possibly..on off days)


OFF
Post Cycle Support by IBE and ATD

Am I getting any closer?
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Hey guys...I am making up an order list. My question is...on this light pulse cycle...how much of the ATD (dose) would I need per day on my post cycle support?? Looks like they come in 25mg capsules. I'm currently at 165 lbs.

Thank you!
 
pacos said:
Hey guys...I am making up an order list. My question is...on this light pulse cycle...how much of the ATD (dose) would I need per day on my post cycle support?? Looks like they come in 25mg capsules. I'm currently at 165 lbs.

Thank you!
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Paco,

Not an expert but feel ADT may burn your joints and also your libido if not careful..25mg may be ok but I've pulsed and not needed ADT

Epi is fairly dry as far as I'm aware so estrogen should not be a problem

Cortisol probably will so get an adaptagen or anti cort and take morning of day off.

Also Activate Extreme taken before bed (Cessation Pulse) was/is good.

Also take your dose of Epi an hour before working out. I can assure you, you will enjoy the ride.

Post workout Protein/Dextrose/Creatine feed the body...

Hope that has helped

As I say enjoy the ride and keep the Epi dose as low as necessary, they are not sweeties ;-]
 
Savantee said:
Paco,

Not an expert but feel ADT may burn your joints and also your libido if not careful..25mg may be ok but I've pulsed and not needed ADT

Epi is fairly dry as far as I'm aware so estrogen should not be a problem

Cortisol probably will so get an adaptagen or anti cort and take morning of day off.

Also Activate Extreme taken before bed (Cessation Pulse) was/is good.

Also take your dose of Epi an hour before working out. I can assure you, you will enjoy the ride.

Post workout Protein/Dextrose/Creatine feed the body...

Hope that has helped

As I say enjoy the ride and keep the Epi dose as low as necessary, they are not sweeties ;-]
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ActivaTe Extreme every day or only on OFF days??
 
bassgod272 said:
Every day would be best.
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That could get a bit expensive but luckily for me, I have 3 bottles in my stash so I'll take it everyday if I decide to do either an SD or EPI pulse in a couple of months (currently cutting using a modified Velocity Diet). Do you suggest taking the recommended 4 caps per day and if so, when would be the best time of day to take it (I'm thinking bedtime but not sure). Also, would it be a good idea to use Act Xtreme for a few weeks following the pulse to ensure natural test levels are optimized?
 
Ninjo said:
That could get a bit expensive but luckily for me, I have 3 bottles in my stash so I'll take it everyday if I decide to do either an SD or EPI pulse in a couple of months (currently cutting using a modified Velocity Diet). Do you suggest taking the recommended 4 caps per day and if so, when would be the best time of day to take it (I'm thinking bedtime but not sure). Also, would it be a good idea to use Act Xtreme for a few weeks following the pulse to ensure natural test levels are optimized?
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During pulse I used only weekends which were off.

2 tabs before bedtime on top of shake

AX really shone post cycle same dosage time as above

;-]
 
Savantee said:
Paco,

Not an expert but feel ADT may burn your joints and also your libido if not careful..25mg may be ok but I've pulsed and not needed ADT

Epi is fairly dry as far as I'm aware so estrogen should not be a problem

Cortisol probably will so get an adaptagen or anti cort and take morning of day off.

Also Activate Extreme taken before bed (Cessation Pulse) was/is good.

Also take your dose of Epi an hour before working out. I can assure you, you will enjoy the ride.

Post workout Protein/Dextrose/Creatine feed the body...

Hope that has helped

As I say enjoy the ride and keep the Epi dose as low as necessary, they are not sweeties ;-]
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Ok, great!....I really appreaciate the advice. It's my first cycle so i'm going to keep it pretty light. am looking forward to the ride!!
 
Yeah, I had a love/hate relationship with superdrol. The positive effects of weight gain, size, strength, and hardness were definitely nice but, the negative effects while on it really were hard to handle. Some cycles I was actually happy to be off of it because my body felt like hell near the end of my run. Now that I've discovered the pulse method of taking DS/PHs, I've actually enjoyed being on superdrol cause my body doesn't feel like it got hit by a freakin' truck.
 
Ninjo said:
That could get a bit expensive but luckily for me, I have 3 bottles in my stash so I'll take it everyday if I decide to do either an SD or EPI pulse in a couple of months (currently cutting using a modified Velocity Diet). Do you suggest taking the recommended 4 caps per day and if so, when would be the best time of day to take it (I'm thinking bedtime but not sure). Also, would it be a good idea to use Act Xtreme for a few weeks following the pulse to ensure natural test levels are optimized?
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there is no need to take it on off days. imo The hormones you are taking are going to be stronger than the test booster. Just stick with your off days. When i have pulsed I have also tried to do it with no test booster on off dyas and it worked fine, but the shutdown started to be prevalent in the last week(wich could be counteracted somewhat by test booster on off days).
 
hman85 said:
there is no need to take it on off days. imo The hormones you are taking are going to be stronger than the test booster. Just stick with your off days. When i have pulsed I have also tried to do it with no test booster on off dyas and it worked fine, but the shutdown started to be prevalent in the last week(wich could be counteracted somewhat by test booster on off days).
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are you saying TO use it on off days only?
 
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