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[DreamWeaver]

:goodpost: Agreed! This is not something you would do continuously in this state. I myself enjoy switching up from fasted training to working out after I have 1 meal in me; this is due to fluctuations in my schedule, but I find this very effective.. and I enjoy constant change anyway!

Yah but it's not too often endo's get low enough for this to be a concern.

 

[thundergod]

390x12...crossing over into freak territory now TG!! Learning and progressing is what this whole forum is about.

Thanks my mid-life brother from Az!! I want everyone to remember that these are "machine" squats. That makes a huge difference. Still heavy as fukk though.

I am a freak, no doubt. I was blessed with strength. A friend of mine warns others, "TG looks strong. But he's even stronger than he looks."
I often tell people that All-Father gave me a strong back and a weak mind. ha ha My strong back has gotten me out of more jams than an intelligent mind ever could. Frost-Giants don't give a shit what your IQ is!! What matters is how hard I can swing that hammer. :hammer:

And to be very serious, I would rather have limited information and an unbridled intensity and strength, over an elevated intelligence with severely limited strength and little motivation. That's a real curse. To know what you ought to be doing and having no discipline to put it to use. :thumbsup:

 

[AE14]

And to be very serious, I would rather have limited information and an unbridled intenisty and strength, over an elevated intelligence with severely limited strength and little motivation. That's a real curse. To know what you ought to be doing and having no discipline to put it to use. :thumbsup:

Well said my friend. There are too many people out there right now who know better, but are just too damn lazy to do anything about it

 

[thundergod]

Gotta get me a copy of this 'Journal of Pain'.. :thumbsup:
What news stand can I find this at?

Sold only in Asgard bro. Sorry.

 

[thundergod]

all those numbers off fasted training? beast!

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Mullet told me I shouldn't lose strength. So far, he is right. In fact, dragonfly is squashing her old PR's with this type of training. I am expecting nothing less from myself. I wish more people would give it spin. :thumbsup:

 

[thundergod]

Well said my friend. There are too many people out there right now who know better, but are just too damn lazy to do anything about it

That's a real curse. To be a mental giant and yet a dwarf in terms of strength and desire!

 

[VolcomX311]

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Mullet told me I shouldn't lose strength. So far, he is right. In fact, dragonfly is squashing her old PR's with this type of training. I am expecting nothing less from myself. I wish more people would give it spin. :thumbsup:

My last two meals have been Carbless in Seattle.

 

[snagency]

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Yep, this is very nice. I like that EVOO placed before bed like that. And almonds! :food: Tasty.

 

[VolcomX311]

Yep, this is very nice. I like that EVOO placed before bed like that. And almonds! :food: Tasty.

What's this EVOO?

 

[thundergod]

Well whose to say not me, but here are my rules for myself ... no HIT fasted or after a workout. I save my hit for off days late in the afternoon.

Thanks for the input DW!! I appreciate it so very much.
I do all training first thing in the morning! It frees up the rest of the day for my other pursuits. I have duties on Asgard as well as Midgard (Earth), hence why my posting is silent much of the time.
Morning training also gets my energy levels going and sets a positive mood frame that helps in all other areas of life.
I feel no adverse effects from fasted HIIT. And I only do the HIIT cardio on non-weight training days. :thumbsup:

 

[thundergod]

What's this EVOO?

You never watch sweet little Rachel Ray??!! It's Extra-Virgin Olive Oil. And it tastes bad by itself. Yuck!! :rasp:

 

[snagency]

You never watch sweet little Rachel Ray??!! It's Extra-Virgin Olive Oil. And it tastes bad by itself. Yuck!! :rasp:

Passable on a salad tho, esp. mixed with like an olive oil vinaigrette or balsamic..

Strict dieting gets a mix of EVOO & vinegar for me -- now THAT'S nasty!

 

[snagency]

BTW - my take on fasted HIIT: HELL yes!

Treat your HIIT just as you would a weight training session..

 

[VolcomX311]

Passable on a salad tho, esp. mixed with like an olive oil vinaigrette or balsamic..

Strict dieting gets a mix of EVOO & vinegar for me -- now THAT'S nasty!

My girlfriend's mom makes a pasta where the EVOO is the dressing and it tastes fricken awesome.

Although, I'd imagine EVOO on a table spoon would be nasty. Should I be gulpling a table spoon of EVOO before bed myself?

 

[VolcomX311]

Two new AM lingo I've picked up this week. ALCAR and EVOO. Anabonics.

 

[snagency]

My girlfriend's mom makes a pasta where the EVOO is the dressing and it tastes fricken awesome.

Although, I'd imagine EVOO on a table spoon would be nasty. Should I be gulpling a table spoon of EVOO before bed myself?

Works well for the fasted protocol. Just make sure your diet is in check - with your current format you've listed I think it work well for you.

 

[VolcomX311]

BTW - my take on fasted HIIT: HELL yes!

Treat your HIIT just as you would a weight training session..

I've done fasted cardio of all types in the past, including HIIT and I always felt fine.

 

[VolcomX311]

Works well for the fasted protocol. Just make sure your diet is in check - with your current format you've listed I think it work well for you.

My brown rice, ground turkey, egg & vegetable meals were prepared with a lot of EVOO, including dumping some EVOO in the rice cooker to prevent sticking, so I've got a lot of EVOO in my meals. I realize the cooking of the ground turkey might have "nullified" the EVOO (cause doesn't EVOO have a low heat point until it loses some of its nutrients or something?), but... hmmmm.... I suppose a fresh table spoon would be a good thing.

 

[DreamWeaver]

BTW - my take on fasted HIIT: HELL yes!

Treat your HIIT just as you would a weight training session..

Maybe with all the new info I might try it... I like to do different types of cardio besides HIT though and fasted seemed to me to be a good time for moderate cardio. I wouldn't mind doing 30 minute HIT instead of 45 minute moderate. What kind of ratio do you use for HIT to moderate cardio?

 

[bslick69b]

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Mullet told me I shouldn't lose strength. So far, he is right. In fact, dragonfly is squashing her old PR's with this type of training. I am expecting nothing less from myself. I wish more people would give it spin. :thumbsup:

wow!..what an innovative style!..keep up the good work thundah'!:thumbsup:

 

[DreamWeaver]

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Mullet told me I shouldn't lose strength. So far, he is right. In fact, dragonfly is squashing her old PR's with this type of training. I am expecting nothing less from myself. I wish more people would give it spin. :thumbsup:

I train at around 4:30 pm and I don't eat before I workout but it would be difficult to do it completely fasted as lunch is one of my main carb intakes, that's why I thought if I take pslin with my carbs at lunch maybe I would enter my workout in more of a fasted state.

 

[Resolve]

I'll down a Tbsp or two of EVOO when I need the fat and I'm in a hurry. Doesn't taste the best but it's quick and easy.

Supposedly, you have to get it in a tin or opaque bottle - something where light cannot reach the oil. If it's exposed to too much light, it's supposed to make it go rancid quickly.

 

[GMG760]

jeez thunda, every time I try to read your log I am like 3 pages back. And then someone says something funny, and I have a retort to it... but it is just a moot point by the time I reach where your log has ended!!! LOL! It's a good thing brudda. Thanks for the advice on my cycle.

 

[Irish Cannon]

Totally fasted. I eat right before bed.
Per Mulletsolider's suggestion: 1 tablespoon of EVOO, 1 medium sized chicken breast, and a handful of raw almonds.
Every night for the last 4 nights. NO CARBS!!! :nono:

Mullet told me I shouldn't lose strength. So far, he is right. In fact, dragonfly is squashing her old PR's with this type of training. I am expecting nothing less from myself. I wish more people would give it spin. :thumbsup:

My nighttime meal has been 2 scoop Dymatize Elite 12-hr protein, 1tbsp coconut oil, 4g CLA, and then 1hr later I have 1.6g 1-C. I wake up and train fasted (after popping 5 BlueGene, 10 WhiteFlood, 1scoop GreenMag, 1 AP, 2 Recreate, 2.5mg Y-hcl, and 1.6g 1-C) and over a weeks time, I've added 25lbs to my squat, 20lbs to my SLDL, and 5lbs to my bench. :thumbsup:

 

[snagency]

I train at around 4:30 pm and I don't eat before I workout but it would be difficult to do it completely fasted as lunch is one of my main carb intakes, that's why I thought if I take pslin with my carbs at lunch maybe I would enter my workout in more of a fasted state.

Hmm..tough call there man. According to literature/studies Mullet has provided, there should be no carb intake 12hrs prior.
Again, I don't necessarily follow this particular format (altho I did this morning)..
But, I don't think Pslin with carbs, and then waiting 4 hrs to workout, is a good way to use Pslin at all. This would negate the benefits of Pslin imo. If this is what you wish to do, I would not use fasted training in this particular fashion, would train no later than 2hrs following that meal.

 

[snagency]

Maybe with all the new info I might try it... I like to do different types of cardio besides HIT though and fasted seemed to me to be a good time for moderate cardio. I wouldn't mind doing 30 minute HIT instead of 45 minute moderate. What kind of ratio do you use for HIT to moderate cardio?

This varies; I have no set pattern. Just do what I feel like atm, or what I feel needs done.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Same boat with ya DW. I can't go all day fasted and then w/o. I normally don't eat any carbs after 6 pm anyways. So I don't think fasted training is for me right now.
Snag, you take your P-slin post w/o? Is that to shuttle the nutrients in faster?

 

[Irish Cannon]

You guys have to understand that the body is pumping HGH through your body while your sleeping, and for a decent bit of time after waking up.

Training fasted in the morning right as you get up is MUCH different than starving yourself for 5hrs during the day before a workout.

 

[KgTomCat]

sorry Ive been MIA thunder but I skimmed through, WO's look good man! do u stick to the 10-12 rep range? Ive been thinking about doing 2 or 3 sets of 8 reps, then a drop set of 10-12, thoughts anyone?

 

[russianstar]

Passable on a salad tho, esp. mixed with like an olive oil vinaigrette or balsamic..

Strict dieting gets a mix of EVOO & vinegar for me -- now THAT'S nasty!

I love it though mixed with one teaspoon cayenne pepper, and a hint of vinegar, now i can takew that on a spoon all day, i mix some up each day and then keep it out of the light, as extra virgin degrades quickly, this though is awesome, virgin on genius...did you see what i did there?:thumbsup:

Keep at it my warrior godfather, your logs rock, like you/:thumbsup:

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Good point Irish. Your test being the highest upon waking might be a plus too.

 

[GMG760]

sorry Ive been MIA thunder but I skimmed through, WO's look good man! do u stick to the 10-12 rep range? Ive been thinking about doing 2 or 3 sets of 8 reps, then a drop set of 10-12, thoughts anyone?

I knew something had been missing other than Timbers rants lately... it's the random ass questions from TomCat. :lol:

Happy New Year Tom, how's the cut going?

 

[Mulletsoldier]

You guys have to understand that the body is pumping HGH through your body while your sleeping, and for a decent bit of time after waking up.

Training fasted in the morning right as you get up is MUCH different than starving yourself for 5hrs during the day before a workout.

Bingo. I would not suggest fasted training at any other time than directly after you awake. As Irish has alluded to, normal nocturnal hormone release hydrolyzes stored triglycerides [lipolysis] into two fatty acids and a glycerol; the glycerol can become part of the glycogenesis pathway, and the fatty acids circulate the bloodstream to be oxidized, or redeposit in peripheral tissues [as IMTG]. This is done because the body is in a state of suspended nutrient intake, and provides for itself an energy source with high yield: Fatty acids.

The easiest way to envision it is this: Your body is a car being stored over a certain period of time [at night], and during this rest period somebody is constantly pumping fuel into the tank; you wake up in the morning, your tank is full! Now, if you decide not to go anywhere, that gas dissipates, and you are left with an empty tank, and must necessarily fill it it back up [with nutrients]! Trying to lift on an empty tank should be verboden!

 

[GMG760]

Bingo. I would not suggest fasted training at any other time than directly after you awake. As Irish has alluded to, normal nocturnal hormone release hydrolyzes stored triglycerides [lipolysis] into two fatty acids and a glycerol; the glycerol can become part of the glycogenesis pathway, and the fatty acids circulate the bloodstream to be oxidized, or redeposit in peripheral tissues [as IMTG]. This is done because the body is in a state of suspended nutrient intake, and provides for itself an energy source with high yield: Fatty acids.

The easiest way to envision it is this: Your body is a car being stored over a certain period of time [at night], and during this rest period somebody is constantly pumping fuel into the tank; you wake up in the morning, your tank is full! Now, if you decide not to go anywhere, that gas dissipates, and you are left with an empty tank, and must necessarily fill it it back up [with nutrients]! Trying to lift on an empty tank should be verboden!

Jebus Mullet, you are like a walking encyclopedia.

 

[russianstar]

Bingo. I would not suggest fasted training at any other time than directly after you awake. As Irish has alluded to, normal nocturnal hormone release hydrolyzes stored triglycerides [lipolysis] into two fatty acids and a glycerol; the glycerol can become part of the glycogenesis pathway, and the fatty acids circulate the bloodstream to be oxidized, or redeposit in peripheral tissues [as IMTG]. This is done because the body is in a state of suspended nutrient intake, and provides for itself an energy source with high yield: Fatty acids.

The easiest way to envision it is this: Your body is a car being stored over a certain period of time [at night], and during this rest period somebody is constantly pumping fuel into the tank; you wake up in the morning, your tank is full! Now, if you decide not to go anywhere, that gas dissipates, and you are left with an empty tank, and must necessarily fill it it back up [with nutrients]! Trying to lift on an empty tank should be verboden!

The worst part however is cortisol is always at its highest point upon waking, the catabolic hormone that competes with testosterone's anabolic actions and encourages muscle breakdown). So in order to overcome the negative effects of cortisol, use of amino acids at this time is vital, as it helps encourage the anabolic actions of testosterone, prevents muscle breakdown, and allows the body to perform to its maximum while in a fasted state.
Think of it like starting your car and letting the engine run for a few minutes before you drive.

 

[GMG760]

Now the question becomes, are you a Lamborghini or a Yugo?

 

[Iron Lungz]

Just thought I would share some of my insanity with you...

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[KgTomCat]

I knew something had been missing other than Timbers rants lately... it's the random ass questions from TomCat. :lol:

Happy New Year Tom, how's the cut going?

haa, the cut has just begun...had to get some things straight, im at 230-235 now, hope to cut down to 220-225, so it shouldnt be too hard...izza:

 

[KgTomCat]

The worst part however is cortisol is always at its highest point upon waking, the catabolic hormone that competes with testosterone's anabolic actions and encourages muscle breakdown). So in order to overcome the negative effects of cortisol, use of amino acids at this time is vital, as it helps encourage the anabolic actions of testosterone, prevents muscle breakdown, and allows the body to perform to its maximum while in a fasted state.
Think of it like starting your car and letting the engine run for a few minutes before you drive.

so are you saying its okay to lift first thing in the a.m. in a fasted state, but only with a protein shake w/extra BCAA's? you said also cortisol is highest here, so could you take a cortisol blocker?:think:

 

[Mulletsoldier]

The worst part however is cortisol is always at its highest point upon waking, the catabolic hormone that competes with testosterone's anabolic actions and encourages muscle breakdown). So in order to overcome the negative effects of cortisol, use of amino acids at this time is vital, as it helps encourage the anabolic actions of testosterone, prevents muscle breakdown, and allows the body to perform to its maximum while in a fasted state.
Think of it like starting your car and letting the engine run for a few minutes before you drive.

We must remember that the role of Glucorcorticoids in general are diverse, and we should not universally condemn them, nor the catabolic process in general. Cortisol is high upon waking because the body releases it nocturnally as a means to provide itself with energy sans any external nutrient intake. In regards to Fasted Training, Cortisol plays a necessary role for performance, and one which is the opposite to what you are thinking:

Effects of morning rise in cortisol concentration on regulation of lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue

J. S. Samra, M. L. Clark, S. M. Humphreys, I. A. Macdonald, D. R. Matthews and K. N. Frayn
Nuffield Department of Clinical Medicine, Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford, United Kingdom.

Cortisol has a well-defined circadian rhythm. The aim of the study was to examine the effect of the morning rise in cortisol concentration on lipolysis in adipose tissue. Ten healthy subjects were studied on two occasions, and six of these were studied on three occasions. During the first two occasions, either a control or cortisol suppression study was performed by using metyrapone, and on the third occasion exogenous cortisol replacement was given in addition to metyrapone. Lipolysis in the subcutaneous adipose tissue of the anterior abdominal wall was studied by measurement of arteriovenous differences. Reduction in the early morning rise in cortisol led to significantly decreased venoarterialized differences for nonesterified fatty acids (P < 0.05) and glycerol (P < 0.01), attributable in part to decreased hormone-sensitive lipase (EC 3.1.1.3) action (P < 0.05) in adipose tissue. At the same time the arterialized plasma triacylglycerol concentration increased (P < 0.005) with a significant reduction in the adipose lipoprotein lipase (EC 3.1.1.34) rate of action (P < 0.05). In the replacement study, values were identical to those of the control study, showing that metyrapone had no nonspecific effects on lipolysis. We conclude that the morning rise in plasma cortisol concentration plays an important role in the regulation of lipolysis in adipose tissue in normal healthy adults.

As I said, Cortisol is released to induce lipolysis, thereby necessarily increasing Plasma FFA concentration, and providing fuel for Fasted Training!

 

[snagency]

Same boat with ya DW. I can't go all day fasted and then w/o. I normally don't eat any carbs after 6 pm anyways. So I don't think fasted training is for me right now.
Snag, you take your P-slin post w/o? Is that to shuttle the nutrients in faster?

That's my thought process, yes..
I think this just is the perfectly optimal way to take in PWO nutrition, after a fasted session, after BCAA consumption thru/after training; then, after allowing bloodflow to shuttle those BCAA's/EAA's thru the body (which is the most optimal time for this, as bloodflow is massively increased during/following activity, which makes these aminos absorbed lightening fast for recovery & growth), 30 minutes following training you slam everything home with a Pslin-aided carb load.. It just makes sense.

 

[snagency]

Just thought I would share some of my insanity with you...

Nice! :thumbsup:

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Thanks Snag. That's what I thought. I will be trying that out after I finish my run of LG's AS.

 

[KgTomCat]

That's my thought process, yes..
I think this just is the perfectly optimal way to take in PWO nutrition, after a fasted session, after BCAA consumption thru/after training; then, after allowing bloodflow to shuttle those BCAA's/EAA's thru the body (which is the most optimal time for this, as bloodflow is massively increased during/following activity, which makes these aminos absorbed lightening fast for recovery & growth), 30 minutes following training you slam everything home with a Pslin-aided carb load.. It just makes sense.

:goodpost:

 

[TimberLakers]

I'd love to give the fasted training a try some day... Though unfortunately it doesn't fit my schedule during the week - as I generally have to work early in the morning... and I love going to war at night.

However, I could do fasted training on Saturday / Sunday if I so chose. You guys think it would be advantageous to have a schedule whereby 2 of 5 days are fasted training? Might as well give it a shot.

 

[Irish Cannon]

I'd love to give the fasted training a try some day... Though unfortunately it doesn't fit my schedule during the week - as I generally have to work early in the morning... and I love going to war at night.

However, I could do fasted training on Saturday / Sunday if I so chose. You guys think it would be advantageous to have a schedule whereby 2 of 5 days are fasted training? Might as well give it a shot.

Depends on what those two days were, or even if they were rotated.

 

[TimberLakers]

Depends on what those two days were, or even if they were rotated.

This week it just happens to be Back and Chest - but yes, it would almost always be different without planning ahead... However, I can easily insert rest days strategically to make the workouts almost anything I wanted... Back and Chest are easily my 2 most hardcore days - back being moreso than chest pretty convincingly.

 

[TimberLakers]

I take that back... Leg day kicks chest's ass.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Yah looks like fasted training is out for me as well, with the exception of morning cardio sessions.

 

[dragonfly]

NOTES FROM THE JOURNAL OF PAIN!!

LEGS

QUADS

LEG EXTENSIONS: 200 X 15!! , 180 X 16

MACHINE SQUATS: 390 X 12!! , 370 X 12

SEATED HORIZONTAL LEG PRESSES: 470 X 12 , 470 X 12

HAMSTRINGS

STIFF-LEGGED DEADLIFTS: 375 X 10!! , 355 X 11

STANDING ONE-LEGGED HAMSTRING CURLS: 110 X 11 , 100 X 14!!

CALVES

SEATED CALF RAISES: 270 X 15 , 270 X 15

STANDING ONE-LEGGED DB CALF RAISES (ala Arnold): 60 lb. DB X 16

This was the third day of the fasted training. It's still early, but DAMN!! Thunder-Likey!! :hammer::woohoo:
I was really on fire this morning! I watched a bunch of my Met-RX World's Strongest Man tapes last night. And then I read Dragonfly's workouts before hitting the iron!! Thanks my warrior-sister for the inspiration!! :thumbsup:

Gosh, beastly workout indeed TG Invalid Link Removed, as for inspiration, my pleasure